A shift of paradigm: Western self-hate and the deconstruction of the national state

[Skybird]

http://www.nationalreview.com/articles/243953/immanuel-kant-vs-israel-daniel-pipes

(the article is basing on this paper: http://www.jidaily.com/4fU )

Refering to Thomas Kuhn'S famous and highly influential work "The Structure of Scientific Revolutions" (if you have studied at university, you should have dealt with it, no matter your profession), it is claimed that the antipathy towards the US and the hate against Israel is nothing that could be countered by reasonable, rational arguments and laying out the facts in defence of both countries, since the hostile sentiment is basing on a shift in an equivalent to scientific paradigms, a shift in social-political perception that is leading the West to self-hate by (falsely) concluding that all evil in history is due to the exitence of national states - which must be overcome therefore, and replaced with supranational organisations like UN and EU.

Wowh, that is just one sentence! :D

In case this threads does not sink to the ground but leads to discussion: the name of the author or the place where he published, is no important argument here. Important is whether or not he can be confirmed in his argument, or shown wrong.

I am thinking since years like is being described in this essay, I just never have not put it all together so consistently. So it is no surprise that I agree with him and think his analysis is very good. To me the self-hate of eurocracts, their deep disgust for the historically grown identities of the different nations and ethnicities in europe that now they try to neutralise and relativise and eradicate, is obvious and self-presenting, and while I do not consider myself to be a strong nationalist, I nevertheless could use similiar words like Pipes opened with: although not being nationalistic (for the sake of being nationalistic), I nevertheless appreciate the scientific progress and civilisational developement, the ammount of advanced rights and freedoms, and the diversity of different cultures and habits in europe'S different regions, and i am aware of the tremendous cultural and scientific contributions my forefathers have donated to this, as well as the dark heritage of the Third Reich that tried to discredit all that shine in just 12 years of tyranny, terror and darkness. Seen that way, I am conservative, if conservatism means to keep what has proven its worth and merit, and getting rid of what has failed to deliver positive results.

[SteamWake]

Wait... the 'source' is not important?

[Tribesman]

Wait... the 'source' is not important?

The content is more important than the source, the content of the paper is flawed at a very basic level and all the dancing around the issue the author does cannot rectify that flaw in his arguement.
That the second source that builds on that paper is Pipes with his extremist agenda is no surprise but in no way alters the content of the paper itself as it was flawed to begin with before he added his voice.

[Bilge_Rat]

what, another thread about Israel? :hmmm:

why don't we discuss fun subjects like this:

Israeli women have sex more often on vacation:


For Israeli women, going on vacation means more sex and lots of touristy activities - whether they are with their partners or not. Even so, if the overseas trip involves intense physical activity, the women reported no significant improvement in their sex lives.

(...)

The study's findings show that having sex is an important factor in a woman's satisfaction from her tourism experience.

In some cases, it is even an essential element and/or a motivating factor for the vacation, meaning that the vacation is perceived as an opportunity for a couple to conduct their sexual relationship in a new, relaxed environment.

A vacation abroad is an opportunity to have casual sex in an anonymous environment, while such a relationship could harm a woman's image if it happened in the home environment. Does the type of vacation make any difference to the women's sexual behavior?

According to the study, a rest and relaxation vacation, with not much coming and going, was described as a conventional holiday, and as ideal for sex among couples. The interviewees said they had more sex and that it was better while they were on vacation. One of the participants described this type of vacation as a break from the routine and as a "total vacation for enjoying one another. Spa, Jacuzzi, champagne, a relaxed atmosphere and romance, all revolving around sex."

In contrast, a trip backpacking was described by participants in the study as an opportunity to have casual sex in a foreign environment. In such instances, the number of sex partners increases, but the quality is compromised due to the limited familiarity with these partners.

On such trips the interviewees had what they called an adventure that they would not repeat in their home environment. They related to men as sex objects, and when asked their feelings regarding the casual partners, responded with descriptions such as, "having him [at night] and not seeing him the next day."

Meanwhile, on short vacations to Europe, interviewees said that having sex with one's partner was essential. It is also more frequent, despite the fatigue from the touring, but is not as good, because the couple is tired. Still, the interviewees said they would not forego it.

"To be on vacation abroad and not have sex?" responded one interviewee, who emphasized that on vacation she wants to try things she would not normally do in Israel.



http://www.haaretz.com/news/study-for-israeli-women-going-on-vacation-means-more-sex-1.240116

Damned Israelis...always trying to outdo everyone else...:damn:

[Skybird]

For Germans and german speakers, this guest comment in Der Tagesspiegel is a thematic amendement.

http://www.tagesspiegel.de/meinung/andere-meinung/die-politische-rechte-steht-fuer-buergerlichkeit/1902294.html

the claimed conservative party "CDU" is no longer conservative, but under merkel'S leadership became a socialist party, a SPD 2.0. Side-effect was that practically all truly consrvative heavyweights of the party have turned their back on her, having become disillusionised, and have withdrawn from offices and even stepped back as minister presidents of federal states. some of them even turned their back on politics and the party alltogether. The author mentions a blockade of thinking and acting, resulting from a perverting of the once understandable motive to criticise and bash Nazi ideology, the perverting that led to this blockade of conservative thinking he summarises in the brief formula that is valid today and defines the understanding and perception of political commenting and argument: "conservative = reactionary = fascist ". Since conservatism has been deconstructed, the left does not need to convince by solid intellectualism anymore: there is no serious opposition challenging the left. And that is why you have no profiled, convincing left thinker in the German political culture today as well.

Links up nicley with the destruction of the concept of national states and different cultural identities of people in europe. Instead you get the supranational state-tyranny of the EU - which now pushes in force for its old demand to even raise its own taxes from European citizens directly, so that it does not depend on payments by the governments anymore.

Destroy the EU. Before it has completed it's task to destroy Europe.

Edit.
BTW, Thilo Sarrazin, federal banker and former finance senator in Berlin and by his and his family's biography an example of successful integration, has written a new book. people in germany will know what that mean. :D The left, the Gutmenschen and the islamophiles having foam on their lips, but most of them never having read it and thus not countering it in arguments. The cluster bombing with hate tirades and the inevitable, obligatory accusations of racism already started before the book was on sale.

I must admit i am a confessing Sarrazinian, i like him laconically bringing things to the point (for example: "the lower the social class, the higher the birth rate", or "If you look at it, the smallest problem of social wellfare receivers seems to be shortweight", and on the problem of uneducated migrants from North Africa and the ME who refuse integration and learning at school and what that and their higher birth rates mean for the national community: "Wir werden auf natürlichem Wege durchschnittlich dümmer"). Title of the new book: "Deutschland schafft sich selbst ab". Well, eh - yes, right that.

[Sailor Steve]

The content is more important than the source, the content of the paper is flawed at a very basic level and all the dancing around the issue the author does cannot rectify that flaw in his arguement.
But you don't counter the flaw or even name it. How can anyone know what you think if you don't say anything?

That the second source that builds on that paper is Pipes with his extremist agenda is no surprise but in no way alters the content of the paper itself as it was flawed to begin with before he added his voice.
That's no answer either.

[Skybird]

Wait... the 'source' is not important?

I said


In case this threads does not sink to the ground but leads to discussion: the name of the author or the place where he published, is no important argument here.

[UnderseaLcpl]

It's gonna take me a while to type this one so...bump

[Tribesman]

But you don't counter the flaw or even name it.
He bases it on a hatred that doesn't really come into play.
Its crazy generalisations which he applies(similar to those often used by Pipes) and an entire detatchment from reality.
He lambasts the jewish "left" and "right" who call for something different in Israeli policy(Pipes would use the term self hating jew as he gets a little stuck when throwing accusations of anti semitism at Jewish people) and pretends that the needed changes have been tried.
The delegitimisation of the soveriegn state in question he complains about is mainly because of the lack of legitimacy of that state and its actions, especially when it blatantly breaks laws while claiming to be a bastion of freedom and democracy.

[Sailor Steve]

Thank you.

[The Third Man]

"The Structure of Scientific Revolutions"

Never heard of it. Obviously laid on the waste heep of quasi science long ago by intellegent people. Mein Kampf inspired or visa versa.