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Nuclear Facility, Bolton Says.Israel has until the weekend to launch a military strike on Iran's first nuclear plant before the humanitarian risk of an attack becomes too great, former U.S. Ambassador to the United Nations John Bolton said Tuesday.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/17/israel-weeks-end-strike-iran-nuclear-facility-bolton-says/
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Note:Published August 17, 2010
raymond6751
08-17-10, 01:21 PM
That's why he is a former U.S. Ambassador. I'm sure both Israel and the State Department appreciate his input.
Moeceefus
08-17-10, 01:28 PM
That's why he is a former U.S. Ambassador. I'm sure both Israel and the State Department appreciate his input.
Well Israel certainly does. :D
SteamWake
08-17-10, 02:20 PM
Im not sure even how this story made it to the news wires. Bolton for all purposes is a citizen not an elected offical whom holds sway with the policy makers.
More to this story than meets the eye.
But yea I'm sure the Russians are pleased as well.
Jimbuna
08-17-10, 02:55 PM
I'm beginning to wonder is it already too late for Israel to act without risking a military response from Russia? :hmmm:
Betonov
08-17-10, 04:36 PM
I'm beginning to wonder is it already too late for Israel to act without risking a military response from Russia? :hmmm:
Oh great, another WWIII scenario looming
TLAM Strike
08-17-10, 04:43 PM
I'm beginning to wonder is it already too late for Israel to act without risking a military response from Russia? :hmmm: If the Iranian's check already cleared I doubt they will care. :03:
All it means is the Iranians will be wanting to buy another reactor and more Air Defenses from Russia. :ping:
UnderseaLcpl
08-17-10, 06:22 PM
I don't think they'll try it, despite this being the perfect time to strike Iran, what with the US in the Middle East already, and in betwixt Israel and Iran to boot. Hitting the reactor may well put Israel in a worse political and military situation than it suffered after "Opera", especially considering the current US attitude towards the wars it is already fighting.
I really feel sorry for the Israelis. They're surrounded by millions of Arabs who want to kill them, and their most powerful ally is a lukewarm one, at best. Remind me again why this strip of land is the responsibility of the US and not Britain or France, who contributed to most of these problems to begin with.
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Remind me again why this strip of land is the responsibility of the US and not Britain or France, who contributed to most of these problems to begin with.
Because it wants to ? :hmmm:
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TLAM Strike
08-17-10, 08:44 PM
Remind me again why this strip of land is the responsibility of the US and not Britain or France, who contributed to most of these problems to begin with.
I think it has to do with our country having the largest Jewish population in the world. :hmmm:
Bubblehead1980
08-17-10, 08:59 PM
As much as I hate to see it, I hope they strike.The instability brought on by a nuclear Iran is just unacceptable.
The Third Man
08-17-10, 09:27 PM
I saw something about this earlier tonight and Bolton sounds like he is backing off/hedging, his statement. Perhaps he doesn't want to look any more a fool.
SteamWake
08-17-10, 09:33 PM
I saw something about this earlier tonight and Bolton sounds like he is backing off/hedging, his statement. Perhaps he doesn't want to look any more a fool.
Yea that kind of thing has been going around.
The Third Man
08-17-10, 09:38 PM
Yea that kind of thing has been going around.
Should I take a bow for looking the fool? If so, you have it.
Zachstar
08-17-10, 09:44 PM
They wont attack. They arent THAT stupid.
The Third Man
08-17-10, 09:55 PM
They wont attack. They arent THAT stupid.
I think stupidity has nothing to do with it. Unless you think the powers that be in Israel are stupid, of course. It would be a different calculation which brought israeli bombs upon Iran.
TLAM Strike
08-17-10, 10:47 PM
They wont attack. They arent THAT stupid.
How is it stupid? Don't forget they did it before... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera)
nikimcbee
08-17-10, 11:41 PM
okay, no attacks until after the subsim meeting. After that I don't care what they do.
nikimcbee
08-17-10, 11:43 PM
How is it stupid? Don't forget they did it before... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera)
10 Iraqi soldiers killed
1 French scientist killed
:haha: France is everywhere
SteamWake
08-18-10, 09:04 AM
Should I take a bow for looking the fool? If so, you have it.
Try not to take things so personally honestly it is not all about you.
I refering to the politicians in general saying something then having to come back later to 'clairify' or backtrack.
Herr-Berbunch
08-18-10, 09:25 AM
Personally I wonder who we (the west) are to say who can and can't have what we already have.
And as for Israel, it may be surrounded by myriad arabs but that doesn't give it the right to behave like a petulant child with the backing of it's petulant bigger brother.
I'm not an anti-semite (but even the slightest word out of place makes you one?) but Sykes-Picot agreement should never, ever, have been drawn up!
Bilge_Rat
08-18-10, 09:43 AM
Whether Israel will or will not attack is a difficult question. The IAF has been training to carry out this type of strike and now that they have the green light from Saudi Arabia to use its air space, it is a feasible option, although this could be part of an elaborate bluff to put pressure on Iran and the international community.
The strikes on the Iraqi and Syrian reactor sites were easier since it was one site that could easily be taken out. Iran has spread its sites around and put them in undergound hardened bunkers to make them harder to take out with one clean strike.
If Israel strikes, it may be able to delay the Iranian nuclear program for 2-5 years which is an eternity in the ME. On the other hand, no one knows what the Iranian response would be.
If Israel does not strike, the unlikely, but still plausible nightmare scenario, would be suicide bombers sneaking nuclear devices into Israel.
So no one knows, although based on past history, I would bet the IAF will strike within the next 12 months, if they have a clean opening.
Eightbit
08-18-10, 01:55 PM
and don't forget! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Orchard
Bubblehead1980
08-18-10, 06:25 PM
Personally I wonder who we (the west) are to say who can and can't have what we already have.
And as for Israel, it may be surrounded by myriad arabs but that doesn't give it the right to behave like a petulant child with the backing of it's petulant bigger brother.
I'm not an anti-semite (but even the slightest word out of place makes you one?) but Sykes-Picot agreement should never, ever, have been drawn up!
Who are we? I hate hearing this. We are the the super power.We created atomic weapons and have been a responsible steward since.There is no risk of us attacking a country unprovoked or handing off our nukes to terrorists.Our leaders(although the current batch are fools) do not want to wipe any nation off the map as Iran's President has said he wants to do to Israel. Iran is ran by Islamic nutjobs and have no right to have access to nuclear technology.Russia should be condemned for helping them.Bush allowed this to go on for years and Obama has continued to.
I hate to see it but I hope Israel strikes and sets them back, strike again if neccessary.Personally I think we could do it with stealth aircraft and should.Iran has been warned.I know the outcry in the muslim world that would come after but better than Iran having nuclear weapons.
Tribesman
08-18-10, 06:35 PM
Our leaders(although the current batch are fools) do not want to wipe any nation off the map as Iran's President has said he wants to do to Israel
As it happens your leaders do, and your favourite leader made a famous statement about doing just that.
Bubblehead1980
08-18-10, 06:41 PM
As it happens your leaders do, and your favourite leader made a famous statement about doing just that.
what nation does Obama want to wipe off the map? besides maybe the US lol seriously though?
Are you referring to Reagan when you say my "favorite leader" ? I don't recall him saying he wanted to wipe anyone off the map.Keep in mind I wasnt alive most of Reagan's term but from what I understand he did call the Soviets out(as he should have) and did want to defeat the "evil empire" which they were and he did just that.
Bush(certainly not my favorite) called Iran, Iraq, and NK the Axis of Evil, which was an accurate statement.Made Liberals heads spin but it was accurate.
How is it stupid? Don't forget they did it before... (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Opera) :up:
Tribesman
08-18-10, 07:08 PM
what nation does Obama want to wipe off the map?
Is it still your countries policy to reunite the korean peninsula as one country?
Chinas a bit dodgy as the choice was support Taiwan or recognise China.
so which of those nations must remain on the map?
That regime currently in Havana has got to go too hasn't it.
Are you referring to Reagan when you say my "favorite leader" ?
Indeed, can you find the nation known as the German democratic republic on a map now or has it been wiped away. Has that regime in Berlin been consigned to history.
Platapus
08-18-10, 07:10 PM
Anytime a nation considers taking any action against a second nation, the first nation should have an understanding of the possible outcomes.
What exactly does Israel think will be the reaction if they bomb the nuclear reactor? Do they really think the Iranians will simply say, ''Oops, I guess we lost. So sorry, I guess we should stop our entire nuclear industry". If so, then the Israelis are unwise.
Knocking out the power reactor in Brushehr will accomplish nothing but firm up the commitment of the hardliners in Iran to continue to hide and protect their nuclear industries. Does anyone really think that the Iranians will stop their nuclear industries if the Brushehr reactor is bombed? No, the Iranians will simply but more of their nuclear industries underground and we will have a much harder time monitoring them.
Jimbuna
08-19-10, 10:28 AM
Only time will tell if it's best to strike now or sit back and do nothing.
I can't see an Israeli strike doing much more than setting Irans nuclear programme back a little in time and the thought of a nuclear Iran gives me cause for concern on the potential consequences for the Middle East regionally.
Who'd want to play God? :doh:
Schroeder
08-19-10, 11:50 AM
It's not just a concern for the middle east.
Radical groups might get access to nuke material through Iran.... I believe that is by far the bigger danger than an attack on another country by Iran.
Bilge_Rat
08-20-10, 08:16 AM
I don't think Israel is overly worried about Iran's reaction.
In 2007, they were in indirect peace negociations with Syria, Syria has a more powerful army than Iran and is right next door. Yet the IAF still attacked the Syrian nuclear reactor.
There is a line of reasoning, which I agree with, that Iran is in a transitional state. You have a shrinking group of aging religious leaders in control, while the mass of the younger generation is more secular and open to the West. You saw that clash break out in the open after the last election.
There is a window of 5-10 years until the current leaders die off or lose control. The greatest risk is during that window and anything which is done to delay Iran's nuclear program past that window is seen as being in Israel's security interest.
The trick, of course, is how do you carry out an air strike without alienating the younger generation of Iranians? Obviously, anything that would cause a large loss of civilians is unacceptable, but a surgical strike of 1-2 facilities which are choke points for the entire program could be an acceptable risk.
As to what the Iranian reaction could be, it is hard to gauge. Iran and Israel are already in a technical state of war. Iran already funds and supplies paramilitary groups which carry out attacks against Israel. Iran's air force does not have the capability to strike Israel and they would need the consent of neighboring countries to let the Iranian army through. A real threat could come from Iranian scud missiles with poison gas/conventional explosives, but Israel already lived through that in 1991 and again, it could be an acceptable trade-off.
Again, if you look at the Syrian example, Israel imposed a total news blackout after the raid and was very careful not to crow or rub the Syrian's nose in it after the sept. 07 strike. Syria lodged a formal protest, then let the whole thing quietly die without taking any further action.
Having said all that, an airstrike is really a last resort. The Mossad has already been waging its own secret, dirty war using dirty tricks, sabotage, bribes, intimidation, even possibly assasinations to disrupt the program. It is very secret, but you see occasional hints in the news media. It is not pretty and leaves a bad taste in everyone's mouth, but sometimes, there is no other alternative.
On the 21st of August 2010 Iran will put their nuclear reactor on (fitting the nuclear rod is practically putting it on). That means Israel can not bomb it because it would be too dangerous because radiation will spread all over the Persian Gulf including in the water of the Persian Gulf.
John Bolton former US ambassador to the United Nations and a previous Bush adviser said that when Russia put those rods into the Bushehr reactor in Iran, that will be the point of no return. Israel cant attack the reactor then and that would make them (Iran) "imune to assault" as Bolton said.
In 1981 Israel attacked the Iraqi Osirak and the Nuclear plant Syria was building in 2007 before both those places could fit the rod.
http://fromtheold.com/news/politics/will-israel-attack-iran-week-20214.html
Platapus
08-20-10, 09:33 AM
On the 21st of August 2010 Iran will put their nuclear reactor on (fitting the nuclear rod is practically putting it on). That means Israel can not bomb it because it would be too dangerous because radiation will spread all over the Persian Gulf including in the water of the Persian Gulf.
John Bolton former US ambassador to the United Nations and a previous Bush adviser said that when Russia put those rods into the Bushehr reactor in Iran, that will be the point of no return. Israel cant attack the reactor then and that would make them (Iran) "imune to assault" as Bolton said.
In 1981 Israel attacked the Iraqi Osirak and the Nuclear plant Syria was building in 2007 before both those places could fit the rod.
http://fromtheold.com/news/politics/will-israel-attack-iran-week-20214.html
These are but some of the reasons we should not listen to Bolton :yep:
Bilge_Rat
08-20-10, 09:46 AM
You don't necessarily have to attack the reactor. The reactor will provide the material which will be used to build the bombs. This will most likely be done at another facility.
According to the NYtimes, US administration officials have assured Israel that Iran is still at least 12 months away from being able to produce a weapon:
WASHINGTON — The Obama administration, citing evidence of continued troubles inside Iran's nuclear program, has persuaded Israel that it would take roughly a year — and perhaps longer — for Iran to complete what one senior official called a “dash” for a nuclear weapon, according to American officials.
Administration officials said they believe the assessment has dimmed the prospect that Israel would pre-emptively strike against the country’s nuclear facilities within the next year, as Israeli officials have suggested in thinly veiled threats.
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/20/world/middleeast/20policy.html?hp
These are but some of the reasons we should not listen to Bolton :yep: but the scenario could be that an action on their part is unavoidable,but if it takes place or not it can only be speculated :yep:
Bubblehead1980
08-20-10, 11:15 AM
Is it still your countries policy to reunite the korean peninsula as one country?
Chinas a bit dodgy as the choice was support Taiwan or recognise China.
so which of those nations must remain on the map?
That regime currently in Havana has got to go too hasn't it.
Indeed, can you find the nation known as the German democratic republic on a map now or has it been wiped away. Has that regime in Berlin been consigned to history.
You are confusing regime change and political issues with wiping off the map aka destroying a nation.Iranian President stated he wants to wipe Israel off the map., he was talking about destroying the country.
The GDR was a casualty of the Cold War because the people there wanted a change and reunification.I actually watched a documentary a while back on PBS about life in the GDR.
Reagan was prepared if we had to attack the "Evil Empire" if the US was at risk but did not desire to destroy it and its people as Iran's President has said he would like to do.Lets face, Soviets were rather evil:yep:
SPECIAL REPORT: At some point, Israel and the United States will have to decide: Which is more dangerous — an Iran capable of launching a nuclear weapon? Or, an Iran out for revenge after a preemptive attack? Both scenarios are frightening, but the thought of military action is not far-fetched. FoxNews.com takes an in-depth look at the rock-and-a-hard-place realities of using force to stop Iran's nuclear ambitions.
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/19/worst-case-scenarios-possible-strike-plans-iran-involve-risky-options/
Iranian Military Tech:
http://www.foxnews.com/slideshow/scitech/2010/06/01/iranian-military-tech/#slide=1
Tchocky
08-20-10, 12:38 PM
SPECIAL REPORT: At some point, Israel and the United States will have to decide: Which is more dangerous — an Iran capable of launching a nuclear weapon? Or, an Iran out for revenge after a preemptive attack?
Why not have both, eh?
Why not have both, eh? of which it was compressed to one
Tribesman
08-20-10, 02:01 PM
You are confusing regime change and political issues with wiping off the map aka destroying a nation
Does the German democratic republic exist or has it been wiped from the map?
Iranian President stated he wants to wipe Israel off the map.
Did he really?
Do you mean when he repeated the declaration made originally by Khomeniei?
So you mean the one that doesn't mention Israel or maps:rotfl2:
Can you repeat that actual statement please then come back and make your claim again:hmmm:
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