Act now and get a FREE F-35!

[TLAM Strike]

.... if you are Israeli....

http://defensetech.org/2010/08/16/israel-places-order-for-20-f-35-jsf-u-s-picks-up-the-tab/

We can't even afford to buy enough of these and we are giving them away... :06:

Was the IAF's 10 year aircraft design advantage over the Arabs and Iranians not enough? They want to go for 20 now.

[SteamWake]

Spammer.... :haha:

[Safe-Keeper]

Not impressed. The Russians gave us a whole battlecruiser, with absolutely no strings attached.
http://www.aftenbladet.no/archive/00237/murmansk_byline_jpg_237936a.jpgYeah.

On a more serious note, us Norsemen are getting F-35s, too (although of course they're charging us for them, no fair:O:). Hoping it'll live up to expectations.

[Takeda Shingen]

Ugh. The gravy train has got to end, especially when at the expense of US taxpayers. The Israelis are big boys, they make big boy decisions. They can pay for their hardware.

[The Third Man]

Ugh. The gravy train has got to end, especially when at the expense of US taxpayers. The Israelis are big boys, they make big boy decisions. They can pay for their hardware.


Article quotes Barak saying the F-35 costs $96 million a copy.
Sounds like they are being paid for. But $96 million is such a small number these days.

[Gerald]

Not impressed. The Russians gave us a whole battlecruiser, with absolutely no strings attached.
http://www.aftenbladet.no/archive/00237/murmansk_byline_jpg_237936a.jpgYeah.

On a more serious note, us Norsemen are getting F-35s, too (although of course they're charging us for them, no fair:O:). Hoping it'll live up to expectations. :hmmm:

[Takeda Shingen]

Sounds like they are being paid for. But $96 million is such a small number these days.

Did you read the next sentence?

The entire deal will be funded by American military aid.

Them be my tax dollars.

[The Third Man]

Did you read the next sentence?



Them be my tax dollars.

Them be US jobs.

[Takeda Shingen]

Them be US jobs.



Although, if the Israelis place a larger order down the road, the JSF program said more Israeli-sourced components could be installed. To sweeten terms of the deal, Lockheed Martin agreed to buy more component parts for the JSF from Israeli firms; at a price of around $4 billion.

And there they go.

[The Third Man]

And there they go.

Yet Lockheed wants to create 'private sector' jobs, as opposed to the jobs not created by the $7.98 billion stimulus package which was supposed to hold unemployment to 8%.

And lets not forget that these sales must be approved by the Obama admin, and our current congress.

So again the Dems have helped the US.

[Takeda Shingen]

Yet Lockheed wants to create 'private sector' jobs, as opposed to the jobs not created by the $7.98 billion stimulus package which was supposed to hold unemployment to 8%.

Okay. That's terribly exciting. It doesn't have anything to do with the deal, but it is filling me with joy. Keep us posted.

[The Third Man]

Okay. That's terribly exciting. It doesn't have anything to do with the deal, but it is filling me with joy. Keep us posted.

be happy to do that for you bud.

[Takeda Shingen]

be happy to do that for you bud.

Yes! Score!

[The Third Man]

Yes! Score!

:yeah:

[Takeda Shingen]

:yeah:

Troll on, man. Troll on.

[The Third Man]

Troll on, man. Troll on.

And see, now you're going after me. You just can't play nice, can you? Really, I don't know why you take every discussion so personally. Why so angry?

[Takeda Shingen]

And see, now you're going after me. You just can't play nice, can you? Really, I don't know why you take every discussion so personally. Why so angry?

Not angry. Just illustrating a point: You demand respect, but issue none. Now, I suggest we stop hijacking TLAM's thread.

[The Third Man]

Not angry. Just illustrating a point: You demand respect, but issue none. Now, I suggest we stop hijacking TLAM's thread.

As an equal participant in the theft I will take your advice. Big Thanks.

[Oberon]

Getting back to the thread...

This is a good thing...a bit screwy in terms of budgets yes, but it's sending out a signal to Israels neighbours that the US is still Israels ally and if they thought that things had changed recently with the blockade debacle then they're wrong. Solidifying Israel makes it a little less likely that Israel will get attacked, and a little less likely that the whole area will go up in mushrooms.

On the other hand...I hope he gives us some free F-35s...'cause we sure as hell can't afford them either!! :damn:

[Takeda Shingen]

Getting back to the thread...

This is a good thing...a bit screwy in terms of budgets yes, but it's sending out a signal to Israels neighbours that the US is still Israels ally and if they thought that things had changed recently with the blockade debacle then they're wrong. Solidifying Israel makes it a little less likely that Israel will get attacked, and a little less likely that the whole area will go up in mushrooms.

On the other hand...I hope he gives us some free F-35s...'cause we sure as hell can't afford them either!! :damn:

I like the JSF. I also like supporting America's allies, although Israel already has the technology, training and firepower to defeat her regional enemies several times over. I am fine with continuing to support Israel. What I don't like is supporting an ally soley at the expense of taxpayer dollars and defense industry jobs, especially with people having the financial difficulties they have now. If they want the F-35, that is great. They can pay for it.

[Oberon]

Definitely, I see where you're coming from there, after all, we're Americas allies and we have to pay the full whack for our F-35s. Admittedly we're not surrounded by hostile states...well, except France (:O:) but the way things are economically in the world at the moment it is a hard thing for the public to swallow. If times were better this would probably go down better.

[Takeda Shingen]

Definitely, I see where you're coming from there, after all, we're Americas allies and we have to pay the full whack for our F-35s. Admittedly we're not surrounded by hostile states...well, except France (:O:) but the way things are economically in the world at the moment it is a hard thing for the public to swallow. If times were better this would probably go down better.

:haha: @ the French comment.

It is hard to swallow now. However, if I had a choice of 'giving away' the F-35, to an ally, it would be the UK, not Israel. When the US is again drawn into some future conflict, it will be Great Britian standing with us, not Israel. The US-UK relationship has always proven more mutually beneficial than the US-Israeli relations; the former being bi-directional, the latter being largely uni-directional. I think that I would probably not be so vehement in my opposition to such a deal with the British, as I would probably see it as an investment in mutual security, and in the post BP affair, a step forward to repairing the strained relations with America's closest ally.

[TLAM Strike]

Definitely, I see where you're coming from there, after all, we're Americas allies and we have to pay the full whack for our F-35s. Maybe you could trade us some more bases for some F-35s. :DL

Admittedly we're not surrounded by hostile states...well, except France (:O:)... and Scotland... :O:

[bookworm_020]

Can they give a couple free to us here in Australia? We promise we won't use them unless you say so.

But then again, our unemployment is at around 5%, a trade surplus now and again and a skill shortage in some areas means we can afford to pay! Just hope it doesn't drag on like the F-111 did!


When the US is again drawn into some future conflict, it will be Great Britian standing with us, not Israel.

Australia has been standing with you as well, even when the Brits didn't make it in large numbers(Vietnam). But Australia can be hostile to England, just wait till the Ashes!

[Takeda Shingen]

Australia has been standing with you as well, even when the Brits didn't make it in large numbers(Vietnam). But Australia can be hostile to England, just wait till the Ashes!

You're right. I, and too many Americans, overlook the achievements and aid of our Aussie allies. I am sorry for that.

[Castout]

:o Just 20 planes costing almost 3 billion :dead:

20 planes are nothing just one squadron . . . . .

F35 better be strategic weapon system than tactical one . . .for the price tag . . .

[bookworm_020]

You're right. I, and too many Americans, overlook the achievements and aid of our Aussie allies. I am sorry for that.

No offense taken, It is easy to overlook others who many not be there in large numbers or from more distant places, but still play part part like many others:)

[Ducimus]

So, the IAF gets a squadron of F-35s, Israeli industry gets more orders for JSF components, and its all paid for by American taxpayers; certainly a win-win for the Israelis.

WTF?!

[Bilge_Rat]

Don't forget Egypt also gets about $1.3 Billion of FREE U.S. military aid every year, a little bonus Israel and Egypt receive for having signed a peace treaty in 1979.

[Tchocky]

http://stocksgoupstocksgodown.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/the-simpsons-7-18.png

[bookworm_020]

I only saw that episode just the other day, it gave me a good laugh at that!:haha:

[bookworm_020]

It looks like Australia is getting a better deal than Israel, but I guess we are buying them with our own money!

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/national/stealth-fighters-cheap-at-140m/story-e6frf7l6-1225909569574

[MH]

I wonder how mutch would Israel earn by selling some military technology on free market instead of sharing it with US.

[Castout]

I wonder how mutch would Israel earn by selling some military technology on free market instead of sharing it with US.

Not much or nearly that much at all? :hmmm:

Obviously not nearly as much as sharing it with the US :O:

[Tchocky]

So, I guess I'm starting to understand the US anti-tax sentiment