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In a new career out of Wilhelmshaven, June 1940, I was off the west coast of Ireland and hunting a convoy in very messy weather. I had to make numerous dives for sound checks in order to get bearings and eventually entered the convoy from the rear, surfaced. Two freighters suddenly lit me up with their lights, so I quickly torpedoed them and continued further into the body of the convoy from the rear. From the bridge view [F4] I saw a large form taking shape. Uh oh, Revenge class battleship; dive, dive! Too late. They opened up on me with everything they had and all hands were lost.
Alpha Von Burg
08-15-10, 02:55 AM
I never take a convoy from the rear, bad things are more likly to happen if one engages a convoy from the rear.
Capt. Morgan
08-15-10, 02:59 AM
There's nothing like a 15" shell through the hull to bring a swift end to a career.:dead: Sorry for your loss.
My only encounter with a BB occurred while I was shadowing a convoy at the extreme range of visibility. Figured I was safe since all I could see were mast tops and smoke.
Their BB got 3 salvos off before I could crash dive - the first one straddled my sub and the last one took out the watch crew and periscopes, and this was at 8-9km range.:o
They're very good shots, and they can see farther then you can... I never actually saw the BB that fired on me - had to take a look with the external cam to learn what had hit me.
Arctic wolf
08-15-10, 04:52 AM
That sounds nasty. :dead: I always try to get the convoys from the sides, send a salvo and get the hell outta there.
BulSoldier
08-15-10, 07:56 AM
IT happened to me yeasterday when i attacked one convoy twice (the escort was a lone HMS Rodney) .
Long story short i was atleast 9km away and waited rodney to sink (it sank later and got the credit) when i surfaced to finish off a merchant who also was hit by a torp but i dint have any left and used by deck gun.
I fired 2-3 shots max before the BB began flashing and shell fell around me, luckly no hits.But still was scary enough and i have no intention of closing BB on the surface :)
Jimbuna
08-15-10, 08:58 AM
BE MORE AGGRESSIVE!! http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif
That sounds nasty. :dead: I always try to get the convoys from the sides, send a salvo and get the hell outta there. from the side, or in some cases from the front,Depending on the DD and how many they are in the flock,but to back off is not good, :D
I never take a convoy from the rear, bad things are more likly to happen if one engages a convoy from the rear.
Taking a convoy from the stern is something I do extremely rarely. I only did it this time because the weather was so filthy and I feared losing it. Most of my attacks come from an ideal lateral approach to knife fighting range. Infiltrating or closing on a convoy is actually an art, I believe. The trick is to not let the lead escort hear or see you and not to get picked up by the side escorts as you close in. I usually am so close when I fire that even zigzagging doesn't save them. I am of the opinion that the spacing between columns in the game is not accurately modelled. Five hundred metres is too close, judging from accounts I have read and the many photographs and films of convoys I have seen.
BulSoldier
08-15-10, 04:27 PM
Yeah, ive heard the distance between colums was much greater (cant remember any numbers) but it isnt fixed because of engine limitations.
Yeah, ive heard the distance between colums was much greater (cant remember any numbers) but it isnt fixed because of engine limitations.
Yes, I've read this discussed a few times. It kind of galls me that because of the running distance needed for a torpedo to arm, I cannot fire bow and stern torpedoes simultaneously at two adjacent columns whereas in real life it was possible due to column spacing. It's hard coded in the game, but as with other known quibbles, I can live with it.
Edit: I got rid of the gay looking Navy Dude, now I have a drag queen avatar. I hope this is just a phase "I" am going through. :haha:
bookworm_020
08-15-10, 06:03 PM
Edit: I got rid of the gay looking Navy Dude, now I have a drag queen avatar. I hope this is just a phase "I" am going through. :haha:
It too shall pass!:arrgh!:
Jimbuna
08-16-10, 05:20 AM
Edit: I got rid of the gay looking Navy Dude, now I have a drag queen avatar. I hope this is just a phase "I" am going through. :haha:
There now....the monkey man looks much better :DL
Subnuts
08-16-10, 07:47 AM
You'll shoot your eye out!
desirableroasted
08-16-10, 12:30 PM
I suppose there are worse fates... at least your relatives can console themselves that it wasn't some ASW trawler skippered by a half-blotto cod fisherman, that you were taken down by "der Hood, ja, der Hood!"
I, too, avoid the rear approach, but I recently came across a French convoy in November 39 that had only one escort, a highly-incompetent Bourrasque class up front.
I passed her, put a magnetic under an ore carrier, went deep and over to the other side, thinking I would have all sorts of folks interested in me. Nothing. Surfaced, finally, behind the parade, looked back and... nothing. No escorts except that Bourrasque up front.
Well, I sure joined that parade! Made a night of it, in fact!
Moral: early in the war, it's at least worth checking to see how heavy the escort is.
maillemaker
08-16-10, 12:34 PM
You shoulda sunk that lead escort and then gunned down the rest of the convoy! :)
Steve
You shoulda sunk that lead escort and then gunned down the rest of the convoy! :)
Steve :yep:
frau kaleun
08-16-10, 01:02 PM
You'll shoot your eye out!
It was a falling icicle, I swear!
I've played SH3 for years and have never seen a French convoy. However, all of my patrols have been in the Atlantic as I have never tried a Med career.
I've played SH3 for years and have never seen a French convoy. However, all of my patrols have been in the Atlantic as I have never tried a Med career. so you can see for yourself what is appropriate to do after 1940 October, as an example :yep:
MILLANDSON
08-16-10, 04:14 PM
I've played SH3 for years and have never seen a French convoy.
I saw a French convoy the other day, in 1939, in the Atlantic, just off the coast of Spain.
Was fun too, since their only escort was an Elco boat, so I just blow the hell out of them all with my torps and ran off whilst the Elco was spinning in circles trying to find me.
pickinthebanjo
08-16-10, 05:11 PM
I never take a convoy from the rear, bad things are more likly to happen if one engages a convoy from the rear.
I did it once real late at night in perfect weather, I ran silent around 4knots with the deck submerged. but it was more from the rear corner rather than straight up the rear. I got lucky I guess (it was my first surface attack in a convoy)
desirableroasted
08-17-10, 12:21 AM
You shoulda sunk that lead escort and then gunned down the rest of the convoy! :)
Steve
I would have, but he seemed so happy out there leading his little parade... never noticing the back end was getting shorter and shorter. I took out six of his sheep.
Of course, it was a perfect setup.... Murky, moonless night.
desirableroasted
08-17-10, 12:27 AM
I've played SH3 for years and have never seen a French convoy. However, all of my patrols have been in the Atlantic as I have never tried a Med career.
My first, too, in four years of playing. I got a BdU report of it while I was in BE99; it was reported going SE about 70-80 clicks SW of me. Intercepted via hydrophone. When I got close enough to see it, I had to look Bourrasque up.
derrinurban
08-17-10, 01:51 PM
I, too, avoid the rear approach
I did it once real late at night in perfect weather, .... but it was more from the rear corner rather than straight up the rear.
Am I the only one that finds sailors talking like this somewhat ammusing?
:timeout:
:D
:har:
Must be just me.
frau kaleun
08-17-10, 01:59 PM
Am I the only one that finds sailors talking like this somewhat ammusing?
:timeout:
:D
:har:
Must be just me.
Nope. I started snickering 'round about post #2 in the thread. Something about "taking a convoy from the rear." :rotfl2:
Jimbuna
08-17-10, 02:12 PM
I've played SH3 for years and have never seen a French convoy. However, all of my patrols have been in the Atlantic as I have never tried a Med career.
You come across this in the middle of a French convoy whilst surfaced and you've got BIG trouble!
http://img202.imageshack.us/img202/5498/sh32009022018051445.jpg (http://img202.imageshack.us/i/sh32009022018051445.jpg/)
http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/92/sh32009022018053704.jpg (http://img529.imageshack.us/i/sh32009022018053704.jpg/)
derrinurban
08-17-10, 02:18 PM
Nope. I started snickering 'round about post #2 in the thread. Something about "taking a convoy from the rear." :rotfl2:
It took me about three times as long to read this thread. I too was snickering, laughing and having to re-read post. Just couldn't keep my mind (such that it is) on track.:03:
frau kaleun
08-17-10, 02:38 PM
It took me about three times as long to read this thread. I too was snickering, laughing and having to re-read post. Just couldn't keep my mind (such that it is) on track.:03:
Well, it is true that bad things are likely to happen when you take a convoy from the rear.
OTOH, at least you can both watch the hockey game.
Well, it is true that bad things are likely to happen when you take a convoy from the rear.
OTOH, at least you can both watch the hockey game.
That reminds me a lewd country song parody I heard some time ago. I can't remember all the lyrics but one line stood out:
"Let's do it doggy style so we can both watch TV."
RegioSommergibile
08-27-10, 04:40 PM
Collega Comandante Jimbuna,
may I ask where did you manage to find the Strasbourg that can be seen in your screenshot? In GWX Gold the biggest thing the French have is the Bourrasque.
Thanks!:D
Snestorm
08-28-10, 02:33 AM
Convoy attack, from the rear?
Realistic chance of success = about zero.
(The price of playing cowboy can be high, but sorry you lost your boat, crew, and "life".)
In mitigation, it used to work in Aces of the Deep, but GWX is a different kettle of fish. After a couple of unsuccessful attempts this way, due only to desperation resultant from very low visibility, I have learned to avoid this method.
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