SH 5: Is it worth it?

[Larry U-136]

With no internet connectivity other than dial up through ATT, and this DRM feature, it doesnt sound like I will be able to play this game. It looks great but what are the major problems you guys have found with it and are most people just going back to SH 3 GWX etc?

[Reece]

You can't connect via a dial up modem, hopefully in the future a DRM free version will be released, I too am in the same boat!:-?

[Sailor Steve]

DRM? You're probably right. If you don't have a constant good connection you're out of luck.

[Larry U-136]

Thanks guys. Is there a remote possibility that a DRM free version will be released and can that be done with the features the game has?

[orcsoul]

If I recall correctly there are (were?) plans to release a DRM free version about a year or so after initial retail launch? I don't remember where I read this though, I know it was for an Ubi game that utilizes this newfangled DRM system of theirs.

[Sailor Steve]

They state right in their User Agreement thingy that they will remove the DRM when it has outlived its usefulness. Or something to that effect. It has been posted before by someone who has actually read it.

[Reece]

They state right in their User Agreement thingy that they will remove the DRM when it has outlived its usefulness. Or something to that effect. It has been posted before by someone who has actually read it.
If that's the case it should have been released by now!:hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

If that's the case it should have been released by now!:hmmm:
:rotfl2::rock: Good point. Unfortunately the actual meaning is "When WE say it has outlived its usefulness. :dead:

[foolygoofy]

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[robbo180265]

^^^

Why oh why do people not read the rules for this forum - or is that they just ignore them?

[Nisgeis]

I think that 'I tried it at a friend's house' is fast becoming a euphemism.

If only I could get a hundred hours entertainment out of reading posts like that for free, but alas I can't - it's just a good job that it's not illegal.

[Ducimus]

In relation to OP: SH4 is a good DRM free alternative.

[DelphiUniverse]

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I understand the frustration about the progressing copy protection in this world and the reduced freedom.

Let's face it:

Fact 1: They wont remove anything.

Fact 2: New generation gamers will adapt to this lack of freedom (Only old generations react to such radical changes, but they will fade away with time)

Fact 3: If you don't pay for the game because they wont remove the DRM, they will lose customers and the game will be shut down, just like microsoft shut down microsoft flight simulator (Which have been going since early 80's)

Don't be too sure, they might just do it. They might shut it down. Where are we going to get a similar good submarine simulator if not ubisoft is making it.

The game is developed by ubisoft romania, europeans. God help us if the future of sub simulation falls into the hands of americans.

We should appreciate that there is a simulation in the first place. It was a hard enough blow for me that microsoft shut down fs series. I know how it feels like when it happens. It's unreal.

Let's not try to destroy this fine series because of the drm.

[Madox58]

God help us if the future of sub simulation falls into the hands of americans.


Now THAT is just down right insulting!
:stare:

And you should Capitalize the 'A' in americans.
:nope:

[Sailor Steve]

IThe game is developed by ubisoft romania, europeans. God help us if the future of sub simulation falls into the hands of americans.
Since Aces Of The Deep and the original Silent Hunter, which are still regarded by many as the best submarine simulations ever, were both developed by American groups, I think you owe us a major apology.

[Takeda Shingen]

Since Aces Of The Deep and the original Silent Hunter, which are still regarded by many as the best submarine simulations ever, were both developed by American groups, I think you owe us a major apology.

Not to mention Sonalysts and Microsoft Fight Simulator as well. The USA is richly represented in the way of quality simulations.

[DelphiUniverse]

Now THAT is just down right insulting!
:stare:

And you should Capitalize the 'A' in americans.
:nope:

Is this A: grammar talk or B: national pride? If the answer is A, then my question to you is why you forgot to mention the same mistake i did with the word "europeans". ("The game is developed by ubisoft romania, europeans.")
If the answer is B, then here is my finger.

Secondly, you misread the entire post. The REASON we should appreciate that it is developed by europeans is because they will do the game historically correct.

Why americans will not do it historically correct? Because they dont want that. Just look up any american made history documentaries, it will be filled with false historical data and probably also the national anthem of the u.s.a in the beginning.

:salute:

[Takeda Shingen]

...it will be filled with false historical data and probably also the national anthem of the u.s.a in the beginning.

:salute:

Probably? Probably? No sir, I demand it. Also, a large eagle and flag on the loading screen as The Stars and Stripes Forever plays in the background.

[Krauter]

*Gets into flame retardant suit..*

Popcorn?

"AT THE READY SIR!"

[Ducimus]

Strategic Simulations, Inc. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Simulations,_Inc.), founded by Joel Billings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Billings), an American game designer, "was acquired by Mindscape in 1994, spent time as part of Mattel, and finally became part of Ubisoft (in March 2001), which has since retired the brand name."

For those not knowing where the Silent Hunter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Hunter) series came from. It wasn't Europe.

[DelphiUniverse]

Strategic Simulations, Inc. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Simulations,_Inc.), founded by Joel Billings (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joel_Billings), an American game designer, "was acquired by Mindscape in 1994, spent time as part of Mattel, and finally became part of Ubisoft (in March 2001), which has since retired the brand name."

For those not knowing where the Silent Hunter (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silent_Hunter) series came from. It wasn't Europe.

Came from? :)

[Ducimus]

The REASON we should appreciate that it is developed by europeans is because they will do the game historically correct.

Why americans will not do it historically correct? Because they dont want that. Just look up any american made history documentaries, it will be filled with false historical data and probably also the national anthem of the u.s.a in the beginning.

:salute:

You know what? The only proper response to that, would be vulgar vindictive that would get me banned again. Instead, i'll say it's patently obvious where you spend most of your time.
http://voidmanufacturing.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/head-up-ass.jpg

[DelphiUniverse]

Probably? Probably? No sir, I demand it. Also, a large eagle and flag on the loading screen as The Stars and Stripes Forever plays in the background.

Well, there you have it. This is why I appreciate that it is being developed in romania.

[Krauter]

Oh i love this :D

[Takeda Shingen]

Oh i love this :D

Yeah, I'm probably going to have to lock this one by tomorrow morning, but at least we are showing you a good time. :)

[Krauter]

hey i got the popcorn and soda so i'm ready for some fireworks (and my flame retardant suit too :D)

[Krauter]

In all reality though.. does it matter where the game came from?

As long as it adheres to the historical aspects of the submarine war (either American, German Russian ANYONE!) it will be accepted

.. except if it was swiss.. those guys don't like to fight so we'd probably just have 1945 at the end of the war peace conferences :D

[Takeda Shingen]

.. except if it was swiss.. those guys don't like to fight so we'd probably just have 1945 at the end of the war peace conferences :D

But think of all the work that goes into hosting that conference. You've got to order the china, make sure the grounds are finely manicured, select the right people to staff the event, skill-up your chefs, make sure the Nazi gold is properly hidden away, etc. You've got the makings of a fine logistical sim there. :O:

[Krauter]

lol don't forget to get hackl's soup skill up to lvl 5!! the French won't even attend unless their soup is perfected! :rotfl2:

[mobucks]

i think it is...

[DelphiUniverse]

What's important is that the game series is a darn good one. Americans are good, but I don't trust them. I've seen too many falsifications and they have a huge agenda going. It's a big country, it's a natural thing. You can't trust american production.

If an american can convince you that a sherman tank is better than a tiger tank, then you'll better understand why we dont need american "expertise" in game productions like silent hunter.

It's not an agenda from my side, it's just a constitutional fact which cant be ignored.

[Ducimus]

The only one with an agenda here, is you.

[DelphiUniverse]

The only one with an agenda here, is you.

I have no agenda, i'm conservative.

[Ducimus]

The REASON we should appreciate that it is developed by europeans is because they will do the game historically correct.



Hi people.

I have this dream. I dream that I can play the "Total Germany" campaign all the way from the beginning with the best uboat available from the beginning. I want the best uboat, the best equipment available from the beginning of the campaign.


Hypocrite.

[DelphiUniverse]

Hypocrite.

Off-topic. You have killed the conversation twice now. Thank you for your cooperation. Now that you are scrolling through my posts I know that it's not really me who have an agenda.

I've killed your arguments over and over, this is the end of it.

Edit: Ofcourse, I've played through the game. I'm done with it, thats why I wanted to experiment with how the war would turn out if I had the latest u-boat available.

[SteelViking]

Is this A: grammar talk or B: national pride? If the answer is A, then my question to you is why you forgot to mention the same mistake i did with the word "europeans". ("The game is developed by ubisoft romania, europeans.")
If the answer is B, then here is my finger.

Secondly, you misread the entire post. The REASON we should appreciate that it is developed by europeans is because they will do the game historically correct.

Why americans will not do it historically correct? Because they dont want that. Just look up any american made history documentaries, it will be filled with false historical data and probably also the national anthem of the u.s.a in the beginning.

I know this thread has been turned into a bit of a joke thread, but I would hate to disappoint Krauter since he went through the trouble of putting the flame retardant suit on.:D

Anyway, first of all, I believe that insinuating that you are giving someone the finger is well below the standards of subsim.

And secondly, there is a good number of American modders right here who you just gravely insulted. I don't care what you think about our government(heck I don't trust our gov't very much myself), but you just said that all Americans are untrustworthy basically. So why don't you go ahead and stop using any mods made by an American, Contributed to by an American, or officially tested by an American. Oh.....Wait.....That would be almost all of them.

Ok, sitting down the flame thrower now.

Edit: Oh, this ain't the end of the conversation, me and Ducy are just getting started.

[Takeda Shingen]

Off-topic. You have killed the conversation twice now. Thank you for your cooperation. Now that you are scrolling through my posts I know that it's not really me who have an agenda.

I've killed your arguments over and over, this is the end of it.

Actually, to be accurate and all, there was nothing wrong with this conversation until you decided to use it as a platform to air your grievances with people of a foreign nation. Really, if that is your intention, head on down to GT. They love bar room brawls down there, and I'm sure they'll be happy to show you a good time.

[Ducimus]

You haven't killed anything. All you've shown is what an unapologetic, pompous ass you are by making this statement.


The REASON we should appreciate that it is developed by europeans is because they will do the game historically correct.

Why americans will not do it historically correct? Because they dont want that. Just look up any american made history documentaries, it will be filled with false historical data and probably also the national anthem of the u.s.a in the beginning.


Followed later by this:

Americans are good, but I don't trust them. I've seen too many falsifications and they have a huge agenda going. It's a big country, it's a natural thing. You can't trust american production.

If an american can convince you that a sherman tank is better than a tiger tank, then you'll better understand why we dont need american "expertise" in game productions like silent hunter.

It reeks of agenda based on your own opinions. An opinion i might add, that is a hypocritical one. Which I aptly pointed out. So your only comeback is that I'm off top and that's the end of it?

Your the one who started this. If you think you can give out such a blatant and unwarranted slap in the face, and not have someone take issue with it, your head must be further up your ass then I give it credit for.

[DelphiUniverse]

You haven't killed anything. All you've shown is what an unapologetic, pompous ass you are by making this statement.



Followed later by this:



It reeks of agenda based on your own opinions. An opinion i might add, that is a hypocritical one. Which I aptly pointed out. So your only comeback is that I'm off top and that's the end of it?

Your the one who started this. If you think you can give out such a blatant and unwarranted slap in the face, and not have someone take issue with it, your head must be further up your ass then I give it credit for.

Like I said, I have no agenda, I am conservative.

[Subnuts]

Like I said, I have no agenda, I am conservative.

And conservatives never have agendas...right?

[DelphiUniverse]

And conservatives never have agendas...right?

What exactly is my agenda? :haha:

[Takeda Shingen]

http://www.forks.ca/squirrel-gray.jpg

Let's get back to topic.

The Management

[DelphiUniverse]

I don't think I said that all was wrong. I said it to one fella. He was obviously diggin in foreign threads to trash this thread with offtopic data after I killed all his arguments. Someone needed to tell him that he just lost a case. If you're looking for an axe, you're no longer a sailer, you're a (insulting comment removed)

Edit: Chances are that the amount of people that could be in that "faulty" group can increase, it depends on their arguments. I respond to arguments, and if those arguments dont acquire acknoledgements due to faulty data or accusations, they will be dismissed.

[SteelViking]

http://www.forks.ca/squirrel-gray.jpg

Let's get back to topic.

The Management

But..But....I was just getting started. Oh well, if you say so Takeda.:wah:

[Krauter]

I'm actually Canadian Steel eh? Don't forget it :arrgh!: !

And thanks for letting my flame suit get some action :D

Anyways to the OP.. or.. idk troll? what are you anyways? Anyways.. insinuating that Americans cannot be trusted is supposing that all of the democracy cannot be trusted (America is the de facto representation of Democracy today) and thus that our political foundation of today cannot be trusted.

Now, barring a political rant that is coming, I would say that you have insulted (in part) all of Subsim (apologies to all Finns, Spaniards, French, UK people, Romanians, etc etc) because the majority (see apologies..) of the posters and modders here are either American or have been touched by America in some way..

Cheers,

Krauter

P.S: God it's so hard to be politically correct these days..
P.P.S: I love a good flame fest with random ramblings added in to lighten the mood..

Edit* What was the original theme of this thread again?..

[Takeda Shingen]

That is finely said, Krauter. We are way off topic, and the OP probably has enough information to make his decision by now, so I think it is time to close this one. However, I'll end this one by quoting the internet's third law:

Remember, trolls only grow stronger when fed.

The Management