Tensions rise as deadly border clash,

[Gerald]

erupts between Israel, Lebanon.Beirut, Lebanon (CNN) -- A clash between Lebanon and Israel along their volatile shared border Tuesday left an Israeli officer and several Lebanese soldiers dead while escalating fears of renewed violence between the nations.Lt. Col. Dov Harari, a battalion commander, was killed in the fighting, according to an Israel Defense Forces statement. Another Israeli soldier was seriously wounded, it said A Lebanese army spokesman said at least two Lebanese soldiers were killed and several others were wounded.


http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/08/03/lebanon.israel.hostilities/index.html?hpt=T2




Note:By the CNN Wire Staff
August 4, 2010

[The Third Man]

I wish I could say that the US government was backing Israel. But that is not the case.

[Tribesman]

I wish I could say that the US government was backing Israel. But that is not the case.
Is there any reason why the US government should be backing Israel over the incident?

[Moeceefus]

I wish I could say that the US government was backing Israel. But that is not the case.



Maybe Israel will try attacking our ships with unmarked jets again in an effort to draw us in.

[Skybird]

Tensions at the border are rising since throughout spring and summer. the actual incident is just the tip of the iceberg, a symptom.

[Castout]

I don't know if I should love or hate this country(Israel) . . . . .maybe trying to like the people but not their government ...:hmmm:

[Oberon]

Oh, it'll probably wind up with a few big airstrikes on south Lebanon, Hezbollah will throw Katayushas at Northern Israel, Israel will return with airstrikes, rinse and repeat for about a month and then it'll go back to normal.

Either that or Israel will take south Lebanon again and start kicking in some Hezbollah for six months or so before withdrawing...but I'd say that Israel wouldn't go into Lebanon again, it was a PR disaster last time and with all the PR disasters they have been having lately they can't really afford another one...so it'll be retaliatory airstrikes on what Hezbollah will call 'hospitals' and 'baby milk factories' and so on and so forth.

Nothing particularly unusual about tensions between Israel and Lebanon.

[Skybird]

Even the anything but neutral UNIFIL confirms that the Israelis were on their side of the border (which is not marked by the fence, but a blue line north of it) when a lebanese officer ordered a sniper to open fire at the group. Israel removes trees and bushes at the fence regularly, to ensure unblocked sight.

UNIFIL also confirms that the reinforcements the Israelis have sent, including bulldozers and tanks, all did not leave Israeli territory, and stayed south of the border.

That puts the blame very exclusively on the Lebanese. The Lebanese officer maybe is a sympathiser of Hezbollah, which has driven itself like cancer deep into the lebanese country, society and administration. I would not be surprised if the provoking of such an incident has been ordered by Nasrallah himself. There are mounting hints and indices that Hezbollah really wants a new war, feeling strong enough to deliver the Israelis an even greater defeat than last time. they are deeply dug in, and armed to the teeth with even better missiles and weapons, than last time. I think that north of the area that is observed by UNIFIL, Hezbollah is so strong now that Israel has no chance to win in a ground war. Which leaves the air option only - and what that means can easily be imagined.

[Oberon]

Well, south Lebanon is virtually run by Hezbollah anyway, the Lebanese government can't stop them.

[Skybird]

Indeed. Lebanon does not exist anymore. It is the Iranian province of Hezbollistan now.

[Tribesman]

Nothing particularly unusual about tensions between Israel and Lebanon.
yep , violations by both sides are an everyday occurance.

Indeed. Lebanon does not exist anymore. It is the Iranian province of Hezbollistan now.
But its President is a Catholic and its Prime minister is sunni, how can the crazy fundamentalist Shia in Iran be allowing such unbelievers and heretics to live in one of its provinces.:har::har::har:

[Oberon]

But its President is a Catholic and its Prime minister is sunni, how can the crazy fundamentalist Shia in Iran be allowing such unbelievers and heretics to live in one of its provinces.:har::har::har:

Believe me, they're trying! :haha:
But usually it's more fun to fire rockets at Israel than to blow up your own government.

[Gerald]

using a bulldozer seen here the next day at the same location.What a beginning to start something .... a tractor in the game :hmmm:





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Note: Update,August 4, 2010 -- Updated 1527 GMT

[Skybird]

Believe me, they're trying! :haha:
But usually it's more fun to fire rockets at Israel than to blow up your own government.

They can take care of Lebanon'S christians when they have taken care of Israel first. ;)

BTW, persecution of Christians in iran is a constant phenomenon, seeing ups and downs only in intensity. It saw an obvious spike at the time of Khomenei, then a low in late 90s, and now since ahmadinejadh's raise a drastic increase again. Laws that discriminate against christians get enforced more stringent again, arbitary acts of imprisonment, torture and rape against Christians have seen a steep rise. Like in all Muhammeddan countries, Chrstians and Jews are under high pressure in Iran. That there are qualitative differences in discrimination between muslim states doe snot mean that there is no discirmination in some. Discriminatory behavior against Jews and Christians is mandatory by Quranic demand. Since centuries christians and Jews leave muslim countries - but only rarely in the past 300 years in such intensity than today. the Muslim countries become purified that way since centuries, while Western multicultures get turned into islamic ones, in the long run. At the same time, islam is not only strengthening its stand in Wetsern countries, but even violently takes over mixed countries in Africa, also in the SE and especially Malaysia where Islam seems to be a safe bet in taking over undisputed control due to extremely unscrupelous bullying and violent brutality shown against still not converted locals. On my roadmap Malaysiya is the next foreign culture falling victim to Islam. but Nigeria and NE Africa also are hotspots. europe and the US are different in that here other methods than violence are being used now.

[Ducimus]

I wish I could say that the US government was backing Israel. But that is not the case.


I don't understand why the US is expected to back anyone. Im kinda tired of the whole palstianian, Israel, middle east conflict BS. These people need to make peace, or finish what they started. Either way, it needs to end already, and I see no reason why it needs to include the US.

[Oberon]

They can take care of Lebanon'S christians when they have taken care of Israel first. ;)

BTW, persecution of Christians in iran is a constant phenomenon, seeing ups and downs only in intensity. It saw an obvious spike at the time of Khomenei, then a low in late 90s, and now since ahmadinejadh's raise a drastic increase again.

I guess it's part religion, part politics. Want to rally your people against the enemy, clamp down on the religion of the enemy. "It could be worse, you could be a Christian." That kinda thing. It's kinda like that old game where you guess what cup the pea is under, keep moving the pea, keep the people guessing and their minds off the fact that their country is about as popular as the DPRK and probably has as much foreign trade.

[Skybird]

I guess it's part religion, part politics. Want to rally your people against the enemy, clamp down on the religion of the enemy. "It could be worse, you could be a Christian." That kinda thing. It's kinda like that old game where you guess what cup the pea is under, keep moving the pea, keep the people guessing and their minds off the fact that their country is about as popular as the DPRK and probably has as much foreign trade.
Politics and relgion is the same in Islam. The rule saying that discrimination of infidels is manadtory for every muslim male in order to make the infidels feel their submissive state and their inferiority as a well-deserved penalty for refusing to become Muslim, is laid down black on white in the Quran. the rule that Jews shall wear small rags of yellow colour on their cloathing and shall not be allowed to wear shoes, too.

Since over a thoisuand years, Jews and christians are systematically discirminated in pratcially all Muslim mcoutnries, and as long you see their number sin these nations declining. the only noticable exception fromt he rule was when the french kicked out the Jews and tried to do to them what later the Nazis did much more successful. The Jews fled to and were welcomed in the Ottoman empire - but only because they payed their entrance with giving the Ottomans knoweldge of the superior milutary technology of the West, which was the one thing the ottoman military was inferior to (it's fighting spriit and morale was superior). Today, Turkey systematically discriminates the Christian churches in the country, refuses modernisation of badly hurt churches, and uses plenty of tricks and delay tactics to prevent chroistians from access to laws and legal rights that would allow them to maintain their churches and Christian communtiies. The big churches are practically locked out from turkey, and only some numerically unimportant christian sects of partialy dubious origin are tolerated in to establish new club rooms - which then get claimed to be new "churches" (which they are not as a matter of fact, for the turks use their legal standards to prevent right that), and which then also is sold to the Western public as an illustration of that Turkey cares so well for it's Christians.

the drivijng out of Jews and Chroistians in muslim nations is a process that was constantly going on - since a millenia, until today. the musloim coutnries since long time become pourer and ourer and more and more monocultural. at the samke time we aloow them to have build thousands of mosques and "cultre centres" in Europe.

We are so very dumb, stupid, idiotic, braindead. Honestely said, I often think when we were born the doctor saw all the blood, thought we were zombies, and shot our brains into pieces - that dumb we behave.

[Gerald]

Jerusalem (CNN) -- It was a timely reminder that four years of relative calm on the Israeli-Lebanese border cannot be taken for granted The Israeli military was focusing on Monday's rocket attacks on its Red Sea resort of Eilat and the neighboring Jordanian city of Aqaba and on increasing tit-for-tat attacks on its border with Gaza.

But it was its border with Lebanon that was to prove the most deadly. An Israeli officer and several Lebanese soldiers were killed in the exchange of fire Tuesday across the volatile boundary.

What would be considered gardening elsewhere in the world led to deaths and accusations from both Israel and Lebanon that the other violated U.N. Security Council Resolution 1701, the resolution which was intended to resolve the 2006 Israel-Hezbollah war.

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/08/04/israel.lebanon.analysis/index.html?hpt=C1





Note:August 4, 2010 -- Updated 1756 GMT