If Arizona defied the court ruling?

[The Third Man]

Just a question. If AZ defied Judge Susan Bolton's ruling and in spite of that ruling created an even more harsh law (what ever that may be) by Governor Jan Brewer's decree what power would the federal government, other than monetary influence, have to stop it?

The judicial branch has no enforcement arm. The Posse Comitatus Act, precludes the president from sending troops? And the AZ governor is with in her rights to call up her states national guard at will.


Would it be a prelude to civil war? Would it be racist? Could you survive such an upheavl?

So many other questions arise.

Any thoughts?

[TLAM Strike]

The Posse Comitatus Act, precludes the president from sending troops? Could use the FBI, they have the authority to enforce federal law.

And the AZ governor is with in her rights to call up her states national guard at will. I doubt it would go that far, but it reminds me a movie "The Siege (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0133952/)".

[The Third Man]

Could use the FBI, they have the authority to enforce federal law.


Yep, but the current federal law says the borders need to be secured and no FBI accountants are being used..

Also .40 sigs dont stand up to SAWs deployed w/ the AZ National guard.

So far no real consequence to defying the court order.

[The Third Man]

How long would California hold out without the water and power it receives from Arizona?

Also just outside of Tucson sits the third largest airforce in the world.

[TLAM Strike]

Yep, but the current federal law says the borders need to be secured and no FBI accountants are being used..

Also .40 sigs dont stand up to SAWs deployed w/ the AZ National guard.

So far no real consequence to defying the court order.

I guess you never heard of these guys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostage_Rescue_Team_%28FBI%29)... Or these guys (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FBI_Special_Weapons_and_Tactics_Teams)...

I take them over some weekend warriors any day.

[CaptainHaplo]

Politically such a decision would be suicidal. The platform for Az is the rule of law. To then ignore the legal ruling just because the governor disagrees would be to take out the underpinnings of the entire system in the state. Not only would it be a disaster of epic proportions - it would also evaporate the substantial support across the country that the State has for the law.

They are going about this the right way. Impliment what you can, look at additional changes and fight it out at a higher level.

To "throw away the law" in an attempt to enforce law would create anarchy. What law can stand without a justice system - and you can't pick and choose what decisions you like - governor or not.

[Platapus]

The US Army, under the auspices of the revised NORTHCOM mission could be used to suppress a rebellion like this.

Here is an interesting article on Posse Comitatus

http://www.homelandsecurity.org/journal/articles/Trebilcock.htm

[Zachstar]

I wonder how long that trash state Arizona would last against US Air Force B-52s US Army Abrams Tanks and The F-22... Answer is not long...

[GoldenRivet]

The frightening theme emerging here is that we are discussing a potential civil war.

additionally, there seem to be those who sympathize with or side with Arizona... and those who seem to want nothing more than Arizona to be bombed into the stone age by the U.S. Military

[nikimcbee]

The frightening theme emerging here is that we are discussing a potential civil war.

additionally, there seem to be those who sympathize with or side with Arizona... and those who seem to want nothing more than Arizona to be bombed into the stone age by the U.S. Military

We really need to do a Civil War II thread. It would be interesting to see how many states would support AZ, if the feds used force against AZ.

[Tribesman]

How long would California hold out without the water and power it receives from Arizona?

How long can Arizona hold out without the federal money it gets for power and water and how long would they attempt to fight a court case they couldn't win with California before they give up and pay up?