This sickens me

[HunterICX]

Reading the newspaper I came across this article:

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/3068885/Happy-slap-pair-jailed-for-8yrs.html

8 yrs....:nope:
They basicly murder this pensioned man seen by his 3 yr grandaughter by thinking it's fun to beat up random people and those scumbags get 8 fricking yrs between the two??!

honestly, where the hell has justice gone to?
I would jailed those scumbags for at least 40 years each!

HunterICX

[Tchocky]

I guess the point is that they were 14 and 15. It changes things, I would say.

[DarkFish]

8 yrs....:nope:8 years?
Judge Stephens caged Elcock in a detention centre for four-and-half years and Lyzai for three-and-a-half years — though they are likely to be out next year on licence having already spent 325 days on remand.

[GoldenRivet]

when i was 14 i knew well better than to run up and slap the **** out of a random stranger.

these guys murdered this man, in cold blood, it was premeditated... i would have pushed for the death penalty if it were my case.

no room in jail for scum like them, just cull them out of society:x

[papa_smurf]

Thats our justice system for you:nope:

[Sailor Steve]

I think you're all being too harsh on these poor misunderstood boys. I think they should be allowed out now on probation.




In Jimbuna's custody.

[HunterICX]

8 years?

Yeah ment 8 yrs between the two

HunterICX

[jumpy]

Look on the bright side...



















Had they been coppers, they'd have got off scott-free. (yes, this is a loaded statement)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/england/london/8597217.stm (perhaps not so bad)

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-10723274 (travesty of justice imo)
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/financetopics/g20-summit/7905549/G20-riots-Policeman-who-stuck-Ian-Tomlinson-faced-two-previous-aggression-inquiries.html (more bad news)

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/geraldwarner/100048283/when-police-officers-escape-prosecution-we-cannot-blame-idiots-for-applauding-raoul-moat/ (reason to be concerned?)

http://search.bbc.co.uk/search?order=relevance&q=jean%20charles%20de%20menezes&tab=ns&scope=all&go=toolbar (just be glad you ain't a brazilian electrician)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jean_Charles_De_Menezes - read this wiki article... some of it is most disturbing.
I remember at the time the vitriolic bile in the press and on another forum I visit, and the smears in the media and police statements. A most unpleasant spectacle of my compatriots to behold.

[Jimbuna]

I think you're all being too harsh on these poor misunderstood boys. I think they should be allowed out now on probation.




In Jimbuna's custody.

Aye, rgr that Steve...I can think of quite a few things to do with them whilst passing the next 25 years away http://img143.imageshack.us/img143/6356/av129190fjwl3.gif

Yet another shining example of the British judicial system in operation :nope:

You'll only see any tangible change in sentencing if there is a concerted/lengthy campaign of violence, rape and murder against the families of our judges or politicians.

Sadly....the public appear to be expendable.

[tater]

With an adult action should come adult responsibility.

A teenager (it's not like they are 7 or 8, after all) that does this is "broken."

Lock them up, and throw away the key.

[krashkart]

^ :yep:

[Platapus]

I guess we are lucky they got jail time. I am surprised that they got more than an ASBO and a stern talking to, these days.

These two criminals killed two people. The grandfather and the little girl. What kind of life will this girl have now?

This seemed like murder. Perhaps not First Degree, but certainly Second Degree which should get you at least 20.

The purpose of jail terms is to remove threats to our society. I can not think of anything that would be a greater threat to society than these two criminals. :nope:

No, HunterICX, it does not sicken me, it angers me. :yep:

[Biggles]

This angers me, sickens me, and saddens me. Dear God, what a revolting story.

[Snestorm]

Ain't multiculturalism, and open borders, just the greatest thing?

Wake up, people!

[August]

Ain't multiculturalism, and open borders, just the greatest thing?

Wake up, people!

You aren't really serious are you?

Multiculturalism and open borders have absolutely nothing do do with the actions of a bunch of young thugs. To suggest otherwise says more about you than it does about them.

[Lord_magerius]

Oh **** off snestorm, this has nothing to do with multiculturalism and open borders. The two f*cktards who have been tried are english. Just because they're black... maybe? it sickens me that people do such things, and get away with it. It's about time somebody got sentenced for this sort of ****e.

I guess we are lucky they got jail time. I am surprised that they got more than an ASBO and a stern talking to, these days.

Exactly, i mean after I got "Happy slapped" they knew who it was and didn't even bother doing that. It can't have been assaulted, the video was up on youtube and it was piss funny :damn:
Oh and me 3 days after it happened... Harmless fun? discuss...
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y226/Toffeeapple/P240708_1147-1.jpg

Edit: Only got let out of hospital that morning

[Snestorm]

You aren't really serious are you?

Multiculturalism and open borders have absolutely nothing do do with the actions of a bunch of young thugs. To suggest otherwise says more about you than it does about them.

Of course I'm seriouse.

The attacks were across ethnic lines, and neither the attackers, nor the victims were britts.

European countries are founded on monoculturalism, not multiculturalism.

[Lord_magerius]

Way to play the hate card snes :yeah: You win!

Oh sorry forgot to edit C*nt into my post

[Snestorm]

Way to play the hate card snes :yeah: You win!

Oh sorry forgot to edit C*nt into my post

It's not hate. It's survival.

Oh sorry forgot to edit c#mmie into my post.

[Lord_magerius]

Aah I see, survival. Then carry on. :har:

Edit: let's just take it to PM if you have such a problem with people who aren't the same co... I mean people who have different views, rather than derail this thread.

[Gerald]

[QUOTE=Lord_magerius;1453879]Oh **** off snestorm, this has nothing to do with multiculturalism and open borders. The two f*cktards who have been tried are english. Just because they're black... maybe? it sickens me that people do such things, and get away with it. It's about time somebody got sentenced for this sort of ****e.



Exactly, i mean after I got "Happy slapped" they knew who it was and didn't even bother doing that.



/QUOTE] In this case they deserve,more and jail penalty,this is something old and young alike merit discussion,and first the responsible of the act,this young dudes have they Mam and Pap? We have all responsible to thing whatsoever around as,and we need action,to avoid this behaviour in the future.Even if they are black,white,yellow,I'ts the same for that reason,we have open door, to welcome people from nearly the hole world, and blame the system,for things like this is not the best start to work-around this very sad scenario,to try to get thing in other position we must talk and be free,in our minds.

[Sailor Steve]

slap the **** out of a random stranger.
Oh **** off snestorm...Oh sorry forgot to edit C*nt into my post ...this sort of ****e...


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[Dowly]

I curse around my mother, so does that mean I can curse here too? :hmmm:

[UnderseaLcpl]

I curse around my mother, so does that mean I can curse here too? :hmmm:

Ah, so that's where she gets it from.........:O:

[Dowly]

Ah, so that's where she gets it from.........:O:

http://www.flopturnriver.com/pokerforum/images/smilies/puke.gif

[ETR3(SS)]

One day these "happy slappers" are going to go after the wrong person and end up face down in a pool of their own blood. Wonder if their friend will post it on youtube then?

[ryanglavin]

In Jimbuna's custody.

No mommy!!! Anything but that!!! You don't know what he did at the last subsim meet!

[ryanglavin]

The Rules:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_new_faq_item_language

Hey, I actually read those rules! Only website I've ever done that on... hehe...

[Jimbuna]

No mommy!!! Anything but that!!! You don't know what he did at the last subsim meet!

LOL :DL

One day these "happy slappers" are going to go after the wrong person and end up face down in a pool of their own blood. Wonder if their friend will post it on youtube then?

Now that is one movie I wouldn't mind watching :smug:

[NeonSamurai]

I curse around my mother, so does that mean I can curse here too? :hmmm:

Only if you wanna get the smack upside your head your mom should have given ya for swearing :DL

[onelifecrisis]

Build. More. Prisons.

It's not rocket science.

[Takeda Shingen]

Build. More. Prisons.

It's not rocket science.

Hasn't worked here in the 'states.

[CaptainHaplo]

At the age they are - 20 years per murder (40 total) would be appropriate. Good Behavior could cut that in half. That means at 35 the might have a shot at being reformed.

Jail is NOT just about keeping bad elements out of society - its purpose is to rehabilitate. Unfortunately, there is little real push in the system to do this, and there is little drive by the incarcerated to reform.

This is why building more jails doesn't work. If you are incarcerated for more than one year - you should not be eligible for release on "time served" unless you have a marketable or trade skill that will enable you to "go straight". That means if you sit on your ass the whole time and do nothing, you might spend 20 years in simply because you are unwilling to make yourself an asset to society and able to make your way legitimately. I'd rather pay for that person - who WILL commit more crime if they get out - to stay in jail, than I would for someone who works to rehabilitate themselves.

Not saying this is the way to do things - but there needs to be some measure of accountability in the "justice" system - on both the sides of justice and mercy.

[Tchocky]

I curse around my mother, so does that mean I can curse here too? :hmmm:
Y'all wouldn't believe the language I use around Dowly's mother :O:

[Tribesman]

European countries are founded on monoculturalism, not multiculturalism.
:har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har:
Danskfolk speaks again.:doh:
I wonder how many languages the french people in france have had for many centuries, kinda hard to to have lots of native languages from a european country when that country is a monoculture
The attacks were across ethnic lines, and neither the attackers, nor the victims were britts.
Brits eh. british is an amalgamation of many many cultures, it always has been and it always will be, so again your monoculture claim is absolute rubbish.

[Morts]

:har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har:
Danskfolk speaks again.:doh:

no, Snestorm the nationalist speaks again....luckily we dont have many like him over here

[Gerald]

no, Snestorm the nationalist speaks again....luckily we dont have many like him over here is your compatriot, is not it better to confront you with him when he is online?

[Snestorm]

:har::har::har::har::har::har::har::har:
Danskfolk speaks again.:doh:
I wonder how many languages the french people in france have had for many centuries, kinda hard to to have lots of native languages from a european country when that country is a monoculture

Brits eh. british is an amalgamation of many many cultures, it always has been and it always will be, so again your monoculture claim is absolute rubbish.

It looks like France will be the first land to be swallowed up by Eurabia.
Check out the commie in the driver's seat.
A perfect example of How To Destroy A Country.

Britts:
OK, Tribesman. Let's change the word britts to englishmen.

[Tchocky]

Sarkozy? Commie? I guess that explains why all the ATCO's are on strike..

[Snestorm]

no, Snestorm the nationalist speaks again....luckily we dont have many like him over here

Funny how my party is currently governing, and your Social Democrats have been tossed out of power. Borders make good neighbors.

[Tribesman]

Sarkozy? Commie?
Don't expect it to make sense.
Though of course sarkozy is a frenchman of mixed cultural heritage and he married a foriegner so he is a prime example of all Snestorms ridiculous fears rolled into one.....if only his skin was a little darker then sne could have a real fit.

Britts:
OK, Tribesman. Let's change the word britts to englishmen.
Ah England so that includes a wealth of cultures and a rich and varied history of immigration since historical records began.
You really are not doing very well with your monoculture examples are you:rotfl2:

Funny how my party is currently governing
You mean the crazy nationalists you support are part of a minority coilition where they are just little backbenchers and have no cabinet role.

[jumpy]

Britts to englishmen....hmmm
ok I'll bite - I calls a spade a spade, and whilst the three people in the happy slapping thing are british citizens, they're not white.

I call myself English, because I'm white and was born in england. I guess that makes be british too, but for some reason I see english as more of a term to describe white Britons (at least on all those BS ethnicity forms - I always tick 'other' then write English in the space provided); 'British' has no such connotation imo. I see a difference in that myself, but it's not one I'd fight over or use to denigrate another.

There's plenty of darkies who choose to identify themselves as 'asian british' or 'pakistani-british' or 'afro-carribian-british', deliberately setting themselves apart from their light skinned countrymen. As a Whitey, I see no reason to not to differentiate myself as English. Many ethnic groups, and nationalised Britons choose to identify themselves through their ancestral culture, so why shouldn't I? *

In the end, a little **** is a little ****; it doesn't matter what colour they are. Sadly, in this case, the consequences of being a **** means some poor sod died.
Ignorance, stupidity and immaturity are no excuse for killing someone, even if the intent was only to seek notoriety through this idiotic happy slapping thing. I could see how it might be fun to beat on your mates for a laugh (I've done such things in the past myself), but not a complete stranger. In those terms it's just an unwarranted assault that culminated in a death. At best these two should have been charged with murder and at worst, manslaughter. The colour of their skin has no bearing on their behaviour, bad or otherwise.



* All too often racism is defined by middle-class white people who are offended on behalf of their downtrodden coloured friends... in it's own way that's racist too. Not to mention bloody condescending.

[Morts]

Funny how my party is currently governing, and your Social Democrats have been tossed out of power. Borders make good neighbors.
social democrats ? you have got to be kidding me !
never could i bring myself to vote for them....

[Snestorm]

social democrats ? you have got to be kidding me !
never could i bring myself to vote for them....

Cool!
There is something we can agree on in politics.

[Tribesman]

Many ethnic groups, and nationalised Britons choose to identify themselves through their ancestral culture, so why shouldn't I? *
You mean like the welsh british the cornish british or the scots british, not to mention some yorskshiremen to whom being British or english takes second place.
So where does that leave your "darkies" comment?

Though you hit the nail on the head with
The colour of their skin has no bearing on their behaviour, bad or otherwise.

The only people skin colour is an issue for are those that have wierd problems with peoples skin colour ...like the person who brought it into this topic.
So hows about celebrating the british monoculture with a cold german lager and a chicken tikka masala as it don't get more British than that;)

[jumpy]

So where does that leave your "darkies" comment?

Exactly where I wanted it to be, thanks... Both 'Darkie' and 'Whitey' are terms of derision depending which side you stand on; and in referring to myself as such... see what I did there?

I didn't think I needed to specifically include the irish, welsh or the scots, or any regional separation as I considered them implicit in my train of thought regarding 'ethnic groups and nationalised britons'.

After all, 'ethnicity' is not the preserve of the coloured individual now, is it?

I understand perfectly, the use of such words and their meanings, but as I'm not bound by any belief of segregation or superiority towards anyone to whom such labels may, or may not apply, I'm completely comfortable in my definition and use of the language to whatever effect I deem necessary - the perception of offence has more to do with other peoples conception of what is or is not bordering on racism. As you sort of prove in your own words.

Racism is about how you behave towards people, not the language you speak. That's my belief anyways. Be it so that there's those who'd take issue with that, and that's fine too. I'll not go overly out of my way to explain or justify myself.
Most of the time I fail to see the problem of race, so it sometimes catches me unawares when people experience some big hoohah over colour.
For the most part the issue or race or colour is not something that means anything to me.

Apart from that, I don't drink lager, german or otherwise, but life would be much diminished without a decent curry. :yep:

[Cohaagen]

Don't worry, Jumpy, I got that "calls a spade a spade" zinger even if no one else seems to.

I think it's great that you appear to have developed a one man, self-serving sophistry that absolves you of any prejudice and at the same time places you above taste or anything resembling social sensitivity. If only the darkies were so enlightened.

All that and a Skrewdriver fan offering up his wisdom. Nice to have a bit of the ol' Subsim bigotry as a digestif in between the usual wall of US political spam and paranoid, reactionary diatribes.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8G57DHffac

Incidentally, "whitey" is only a term of derision if you're a character in a Sidney Poitier film.

[jumpy]

hehe, no problem there fella.
Perhaps my post does come across as a little arrogant - I'll concede that. You loose much with only having printed words and not the expressions and gestures you have with a face to face conversation to convey meaning and intent.

But hyperbole aside, I make a point of not judging a person by the colour of their skin, or any other arbitrary social identification. It's not how I was brought up to behave.

Colour is a very emotive subject for many people. Unfortunately it is usually very difficult to get beyond such emotion, even in a place like this. I have lived abroad and at home with many diverse communities and peoples and not once have I found any evidence to suggest that there's any difference between any of us that makes one person better than another because of their skin pigment. It's not sophistry at all; Such an exchange as this illustrates the problem (if I'm reading this correctly anyway).

One can use a word or description to convey an idea without attributing or implying a belief or connotation of personal prejudice to that word, and it is a mistake to make the assumption that there's some other subtext being conveyed. So the sarcasm is not required.

Call it what you wish. I choose to see all peoples as individuals as I meet them. It's really not important to me what colour their skin is or where they are from.

If you want, pm me about it. If not that's ok too.

[TLAM Strike]

You loose much with only having printed words and not the expressions and gestures you have with a face to face conversation to convey meaning and intent.

That is why we have these:
:D:yawn::O::hmmm::haha::salute::doh::yep::rotfl2: :88):shucks::down::damn::|\\:sunny: :dead:

I know it makes things look "internety" (is that a word?) but it helps when putting what you wright in the correct context. :yeah:

[Tribesman]

All that and a Skrewdriver fan offering up his wisdom.
But he says he's danskfolk not danskfront so you can't really call him a neo nazi can you?

[onelifecrisis]

Hasn't worked here in the 'states.

Hasn't worked at what exactly?

[TLAM Strike]

Hasn't worked at what exactly? He is saying that we have a lot of prisons here and it has not lowered the crime rate.

[Snestorm]

All that and a Skrewdriver fan offering up his wisdom.

Saga fan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfbRGZlj6eg&feature=related

[Gerald]

and a tribute to all who fight for her;

[Tribesman]

Saga fan.

So a neo nazi singer that thinks screwdriver are great.
So it is danskfront not danskvolk after all, what a surprise:doh:

[Cohaagen]

Saga fan.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfbRGZlj6eg&feature=related

That's alright. By the same token, I'm not a fan of anti-fascists, incidentally - I just happen to like people who sing songs about Ian Stuart getting a gearstick through the forehead when he ran his Nissan Micra off the road driving back from playing to a record-breaking crowd of 300 Neo-Nazis in a farmhouse courtyard in the middle of nowhere.

@Jumpy-

I would take your declarations of racial blindness a great deal more seriously if you assumed that, just perhaps, some Subsim users might descend from those melanin-enriched parts of the world and for some weird reason might not feel welcomed by terms like "darkie". This is not some "PC conspiracy", it is basic tact and self-awareness.

[Sailor Steve]

...might descend from those melanin-enriched parts of the world...
I like your way with words. :salute:

[Tribesman]

I just happen to like people who sing songs about Ian Stuart getting a gearstick through the forehead when he ran his Nissan Micra off the road driving back from playing to a record-breaking crowd of 300 Neo-Nazis in a farmhouse courtyard in the middle of nowhere.

You have style sir.
Wouldn't it be nice of more of his fans tried to repeat his acvhievement in way of a really worthwhile tribute:up:

[Snestorm]

So a neo nazi singer that thinks screwdriver are great.
So it is danskfront not danskvolk after all, what a surprise:doh:

I care not what your opimion is of me, Tribesman.
Nor do I worry about your labels.

By the way, what flavor of lefty are you?
Marxist? Lenninist? Mauist? Anarchist?

[Lord_magerius]

I just need to know one thing... why whenever anybody disagrees with you snes, are they automatically communist?

[Tribesman]

I care not what your opimion is of me, Tribesman.

Why? ain't I white enough to join your aryan supremacy club?
Please let me join the nazi numbskulls with you, I am sure I can get the correct opinion if I disengage all thought.

[Snestorm]

That's alright. By the same token, I'm not a fan of anti-fascists, incidentally - I just happen to like people who sing songs about Ian Stuart getting a gearstick through the forehead when he ran his Nissan Micra off the road driving back from playing to a record-breaking crowd of 300 Neo-Nazis in a farmhouse courtyard in the middle of nowhere.

What you do, and don't, like is your own choice.

Your musical choices:
Freedom Of Speech. People are free to sing what they like, and you are certainly free to listen to what you like. Enjoy your music.

[Snestorm]

I just need to know one thing... why whenever anybody disagrees with you snes, are they automatically communist?

Because it goes so well with left wing extremists.

[Lord_magerius]

So if you were to like cheese and I didn't, I'm automatically a left wing extremist? Luckily for you I like cheese... what's your view on Branston Pickle?

[Snestorm]

Why? ain't I white enough to join your aryan supremacy club?
Please let me join the nazi numbskulls with you, I am sure I can get the correct opinion if I disengage all thought.

No "aryan supremacy club".
Just a close the borders, and reverse mass immigration club.

[Snestorm]

So if you were to like cheese and I didn't, I'm automatically a left wing extremist? Luckily for you I like cheese... what's your view on Branston Pickle?

Brantson Pickle?
Unknown subject.

[Lord_magerius]

Well you sir are not worth knowing... But seriously, cut back on the "darkies out" stance. It can get tedious.

[Snestorm]

Well you sir are not worth knowing... But seriously, cut back on the "darkies out" stance. It can get tedious.

The problems brought on by mass immigration are getting even more tediouse.
"Darkies" is a term I've never used.

[Gerald]

I just need to know one thing... why whenever anybody disagrees with you snes, are they automatically communist? perfect and not between the lines and you will see soon that he is not knocking on people, ovasett color or opinion, or political motives,it is about the universal right to think differently and respect each other then,and as an example, I'll post a link to a music track which I am NOT sympathetic with, but I like the tones,You can choose to like it or not, just like most people react.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xtWLGscIKuM

[Tribesman]

perfect and not between the lines and you will see soon that he is not knocking on people, ovasett color or opinion, or political motives
Sorry vendor but what part of white supremacy don't you understand?