District court judge rules in favor of phony war heroes

[mookiemookie]

Attention, phony war heroes: Dust off those surplus uniforms and shine up those medals awarded by eBay. U.S. District Judge Robert Blackburn has ruled that the Stolen Valor Act is an unconstitutional abridgment of your free-speech rights to deceive the public and dishonor those who actually did the heroic acts that you can only dream of doing.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2010/jul/20/attention-phony-war-heroes-dust-off-those-surplus-/

Despicable. I hope that this thing is appealed. What a slap in the face to true war heroes.

[SteamWake]

This is the kind of crap you get when you stock the courts with liberal activists.

[AVGWarhawk]

:stare:

[Torvald Von Mansee]

This is the kind of crap you get when you stock the courts with liberal activists.

WTF!?!?! Can't you EVER turn it off???

[Jimbuna]

I've never come across this in the UK but it wouldn't suprise me if it went on here :nope:

[August]

This is the kind of crap you get when you stock the courts with liberal activists.

He was a Bush appointee.

[mookiemookie]

He was a Bush appointee.

I guess doing 30 seconds of homework isn't going to stand in the way of SteamWake's knee-jerk partisanship.

[tater]

This is the kind of crap you get when you stock the courts with liberal activists.

He was appointed by W.

It's a legitimate question to ask what interest the government has. I'd need to know more to have a real opinion. Sometimes freedom has unexpected consequences we have to put up with.

[mookiemookie]

It's a legitimate question to ask what interest the government has. I'd need to know more to have a real opinion. Sometimes freedom has unexpected consequences we have to put up with.

The government issued the medals. I guess you could take the approach that you're falsifying a government "document" or something along those lines. Free speech isn't unlimited and I think speech that's meant to defraud or deceive should be limited.

[August]

He was appointed by W.

It's a legitimate question to ask what interest the government has. I'd need to know more to have a real opinion. Sometimes freedom has unexpected consequences we have to put up with.

I like the counterfeiting analogy they made in the article:

The counterfeiter turns paper into wealth he did not earn, and in so doing dilutes the value of legitimate currency possessed by others. Service medals are akin to currency, but they are backed by blood, sweat and sacrifice. They are a form of recognition that has value because of the official regulations and honored traditions that govern the awards. Those who have earned the right to wear them, possess them or even say they were awarded them have acquired a tangible asset in the form of the respect bestowed on them by the public. Most recipients of military medals don't seek them, and many are unassuming about their awards after the fact. But the phonies seek only to profit from claiming to be among the ranks of these heroes. They impersonate specifically to seek gain in the same way the counterfeiter seeks to profit from making phony bills.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Well that's disheartening.......

[ETR3(SS)]

Well you could always ask to see a copy of the persons DD214. If they say they don't have one/never got one/"what's that?" they're a fraud. You can also request a copy of a persons DD214 from the National Archives, not sure how much it costs though. There's also mundane questions you can ask them like "what unit were you in in boot camp?", if that comes up with no answer of a sketchy one they could be a fraud.

Regardless of the other ways mentioned above there does need to be some form of punishment for crap like this. Life as a Trident sailor was boring and uneventful, but I don't feel the need to make crap up about my service. If you served, be proud that you served and did your job, not someone else's.

[tater]

I think the guys doing this are indeed disgusting scumbags, don't get me wrong. I'm just not sure about with what basis a reasonable charge could be made.

It's sorta like burning a flag. I think it's a disgusting thing to do, but I also don't think it's the government's business if that's how some jackass wants to "express himself."

I think it would probably be illegal to impersonate an active member of the military, but claiming past service? Isn't it enough that the bulk of the US population would be disgusted with them if they were exposed?

[GoldenRivet]

personally i think the "Stolen Valor" act needs re-addressing.

Yes... it should prohibit your local neighborhood 40 year old GI Joe wanna be from purchasing uniforms and medals to decorate himself as a veteran just for grins.

but it shoulndt prohibit people like me...

what I hoped to do is build my grandfather a flag case, inside this flag case would be a folded flag, and a Bronze Star, ww2 service medal and a few other things... but not now :shifty:

[Moeceefus]

They should be given the choice of 10 years in prison, or a tour of duty.

[Ducimus]

Well you could always ask to see a copy of the persons DD214. If they say they don't have one/never got one/"what's that?" they're a fraud.

Or talk "shop" with them for a few minutes. There's certain terms, slang, and such that are handed down from one generation of GI's to the next. Things you wouldn't know unless you lived the life.

If i mention things like CONUS, DD Form ID10T, FIGMO, PCA, PCS, hand recipts, GSA, GOV, AFSC, MOS, the bennfits of blousing straps verses bands, GP Medium, TEMPER tent, Hardback, etc.... and if he doesn't know what im talking about, something isn't right.

[Sailor Steve]

I think the guys doing this are indeed disgusting scumbags, don't get me wrong. I'm just not sure about with what basis a reasonable charge could be made.

It's sorta like burning a flag. I think it's a disgusting thing to do, but I also don't think it's the government's business if that's how some jackass wants to "express himself."

I think it would probably be illegal to impersonate an active member of the military, but claiming past service? Isn't it enough that the bulk of the US population would be disgusted with them if they were exposed?
While I really hate to say it, this is my exact feeling on this. None of this actually brings harm to another person, which the only reason laws should be passed.

[Platapus]

I think the guys doing this are indeed disgusting scumbags, don't get me wrong. I'm just not sure about with what basis a reasonable charge could be made.

It's sorta like burning a flag. I think it's a disgusting thing to do, but I also don't think it's the government's business if that's how some jackass wants to "express himself."

I think it would probably be illegal to impersonate an active member of the military, but claiming past service? Isn't it enough that the bulk of the US population would be disgusted with them if they were exposed?

While I really hate to say it, this is my exact feeling on this. None of this actually brings harm to another person, which the only reason laws should be passed.

You can add me to this list also. Just because I find something morally offensive does not mean that it should be illegal. Besides if a person is trying to defraud someone by wearing the medals, the current fraud statutes would still apply. But to have a law that prohibits the wearing of an object is unnecessary.

How about actors or people conducting reenactments? Arrest them? I don't think so. We have plenty of laws concerning fraud to protect us.

[August]

but it shoulndt prohibit people like me...

what I hoped to do is build my grandfather a flag case, inside this flag case would be a folded flag, and a Bronze Star, ww2 service medal and a few other things... but not now :shifty:

Why not? I don't believe that the law prohibits a person from doing this.

[August]

the bennfits of blousing straps verses bands

Cool, a trick question. Real combat Soldiers tuck their fatigues into their combat boots as prescribed by Army regulations, only a poser or a REMF would ever try to promote one type of blousing rubber over another! :DL

[TLAM Strike]

Isn't impersonating a US Military Officer or Enlisted person a federal crime?

[Ducimus]

Cool, a trick question. Real combat Soldiers tuck their fatigues into their combat boots as prescribed by Army regulations, only a poser or a REMF would ever try to promote one type of blousing rubber over another! :DL

Nice catch.

Yeah i found out the hard way about that. They don't teach you that in the AF, and the bastards issued me a pair of paints too short , so i couldn't tuck my pant legs into my boots. I ended up with a BAD BAD case of chiggers after a few weeks in Guatamala. My legs had the texture of a strawberry. Took a few months for it to clear up.

Ordianrly though, from an engineer standpoint, up an down ladders, and in/out of heavy equipment, bending, kneeling, stooping. lifting, etc. Two straps per leg worked best if you weren't boot tucking. Espeically when on an AF base stateside, and you get Mr PME telling you your out of 35-10. Nothing quite like running a skill saw ripping some plywood, and have Mr PME in his cardboard BDU's run up on your job site telling you your cover is on incorrectly. Overseas, nobody cared much.

[GoldenRivet]

Why not? I don't believe that the law prohibits a person from doing this.

I clearly expressed my desire to do this once - to the annoyance and protest of those who kept pointing to the law... so i dismissed my desire to do such a thing.

I used to get catalogs filled with various US Military medal replicas which could be used for such purposes as flag cases etc.

now you cant buy them anywhere without someone crawling your ass over this stolen valor law.

His original medals were given by him to his mother after the war, she kept them for a time, and it can only be assumed what happened to them after her death... so i dont have his original medals... i would be required to buy medals. (or replicas - which AFIK you cant do now)

[ETR3(SS)]

Something to look into GR, try to get a copy of your grandfathers DD 214 from the National Archives. Once you have that there is a way to obtain his medals again from the government (VA I believe). There's nothing wrong with wanting to buy the medals for what you're doing btw, so don't feel one bit guilty.:salute:

[GoldenRivet]

Something to look into GR, try to get a copy of your grandfathers DD 214 from the National Archives.

I have access to the originals.

Ill check into that. Can i get replacements due to the face that his papers show it?

thanks for any info

[Tribesman]

Can i get replacements due to the face that his papers show it?

Yes but you will have to pay and wait, put his details and your request on an SF180 and send it to the branch he served in.

[August]

I clearly expressed my desire to do this once - to the annoyance and protest of those who kept pointing to the law... so i dismissed my desire to do such a thing.

I used to get catalogs filled with various US Military medal replicas which could be used for such purposes as flag cases etc.

now you cant buy them anywhere without someone crawling your ass over this stolen valor law.

His original medals were given by him to his mother after the war, she kept them for a time, and it can only be assumed what happened to them after her death... so i dont have his original medals... i would be required to buy medals. (or replicas - which AFIK you cant do now)

I don't know who these people you're talking about but i'd bet any Army/Navy store could get you what you need to do this and they wouldn't have a problem once you mention your reasons.
Besides it's not like you could pose as a WW2 vet unless you're in your 80's.

[Sailor Steve]

How about actors or people conducting reenactments? Arrest them?
YEAH! That dirty McBee is still trying to pass himself off as a genuine Civil War vet! We real ones won't put up with that! :stare:

(Thought I'd beat him to the punch this time)

[UnderseaLcpl]

Cool, a trick question. Real combat Soldiers tuck their fatigues into their combat boots as prescribed by Army regulations, only a poser or a REMF would ever try to promote one type of blousing rubber over another! :DL

Either that or they're a Marine who understands that just because you're in the field doesn't mean you have an excuse to sully the uniform by tucking it into your boots......on pain of pain. You use your bootbands and if they get lost or snagged on something and break you had damn well better have some spares and if you don't your buddy better have some or you are up a creek. There are no unsecured chinstraps, no dirty goggles, no flak jackets that don't fit (you better make yourself bigger or smaller!:stare:) and absolutely NO dirty weapons! If your weapon is dirty, you had damn well better be firing it or actively engaged in another task that requires your undivided attention.

Damn I wish I'd joined the army, instead.

[GoldenRivet]

I don't know who these people you're talking about but

It wasn't anyone here. :up: This was a "live" conversation.

i'd bet any Army/Navy store could get you what you need to do this and they wouldn't have a problem once you mention your reasons.

I'll look into that thanks!

Besides it's not like you could pose as a WW2 vet unless you're in your 80's.

maybe in another 49 years:D

[antikristuseke]

I don't know who these people you're talking about but i'd bet any Army/Navy store could get you what you need to do this and they wouldn't have a problem once you mention your reasons.
Besides it's not like you could pose as a WW2 vet unless you're in your 80's.

Maybe he just aged really, really well:D

[Sailor Steve]

Cool, a trick question. Real combat Soldiers tuck their fatigues into their combat boots as prescribed by Army regulations, only a poser or a REMF would ever try to promote one type of blousing rubber over another! :DL

Either that or they're a Marine who understands that just because you're in the field doesn't mean you have an excuse to sully the uniform by tucking it into your boots......on pain of pain.

They used to have a solution for that.
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/us_ro.jpg

[August]

Either that or they're a Marine who understands that just because you're in the field doesn't mean you have an excuse to sully the uniform by tucking it into your boots......on pain of pain. You use your bootbands and if they get lost or snagged on something and break you had damn well better have some spares and if you don't your buddy better have some or you are up a creek. There are no unsecured chinstraps, no dirty goggles, no flak jackets that don't fit (you better make yourself bigger or smaller!:stare:) and absolutely NO dirty weapons! If your weapon is dirty, you had damn well better be firing it or actively engaged in another task that requires your undivided attention.

Damn I wish I'd joined the army, instead.

Oh you poor, poor Jarhead. :DL Being under the command of the Navy does you guys absolutely no good.

You tuck your pant legs into your boots to keep bugs, snakes and dirt from getting into your pants which may limit your ability to kill people. It looks sharp too which is one more reason why the wimmens prefer Soldiers.

In all fairness though it could be that the Marines don't do this because it traps air which could turn you upside down if you're floating in the water,

Either that or it's because the Navy figures that you're too dumb to blouse your boots without garters. :D

[AVGWarhawk]

Damn I wish I'd joined the army, instead.


My brother-in-law did. It was no picnic either. :oops:

[UnderseaLcpl]

Oh you poor, poor Jarhead. :DL Being under the command of the Navy does you guys absolutely no good.
Well, it does a little good. The Navy has good chow, and they have those stupid Donald Duck outfits that make us look even better by comparison. Still, I'd rather be under the command of the Army. You guys have tons of cool and useful junk we can steal.

You tuck your pant legs into your boots to keep bugs, snakes and dirt from getting into your pants which may limit your ability to kill people. That sounds like it would just get dirt and bugs into your boots. Then again, you fought in a totally different theater, presumably with less baby-powder sand. If you blouse your trousers properly just below the top of your boots, pull your socks up as high as they will go, and cinch your boots tight rather than tie them, you won't have any problems.

It looks sharp too which is one more reason why the wimmens prefer Soldiers.
:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:whatever helps..... oh wait, you said "wimmens". For a second there, I thought you meant "women". What are wimmens, anyway? Some kind of drag queen?

In any case, the Army today must be doing something a lot different now, because their method of sticking their trouser legs into their boots looks like absolute ass. They have an annoying tendency to leave their laces untucked, as well.

[August]

They have an annoying tendency to leave their laces untucked, as well.

You might be right. Untucked laces would drive my old Team Sergeant absolutely wild. He ranked what he called "butterfly ties" right up there with Communism as threats to the American way of life.

[frau kaleun]

Actually most women I know prefer the guys who don't spend more time getting dressed and fiddling with their outfits than they do, so it sounds kinda like you all lose on this one. :88)

Personally I prefer the ones who can teach me the most ways to kill someone with my bare hands, but then I've always been a little bit... special. :O:

[ETR3(SS)]

Actually most women I know prefer the guys who don't spend more time getting dressed and fiddling with their outfits than they do, so it sounds kinda like you all lose on this one. :88) This is why the 13 button dress blue pants are the best form of birth control available to a sailor, whether he wants it or not.:haha:

[UnderseaLcpl]

Personally I prefer the ones who can teach me the most ways to kill someone with my bare hands, but then I've always been a little bit... special. :O:

Then I still win. Bare hands, forearms, legs, E-tool, slash wire, rifle butt, radio battery, you name it, I can kill or at least incapacitate somebody with it. In theory I know how to kill a tank with a WP grenade and a rock. Also, I'm on a horse. :DL



You might be right. Untucked laces would drive my old Team Sergeant absolutely wild. He ranked what he called "butterfly ties" right up there with Communism as threats to the American way of life.

Oh, then he'd get along well with my former First Sergeant. He insisted that everyone's combat load be configured exactly the same. Doesn't matter if you're left-handed, a machine gunner, a driver, a heavy-weapons bubba, or in my case, a left-handed SAW-gunner and driver:doh:....whatever. Ever hear of "shooter's comfort"? He hadn't. His view was that if the insurgents saw us piling out of a truck and every guy looked the exact same as his buddy, they'd crap themselves and run in the face of what I suppose he imagined was an indomitable tide of human discipline. Naturally, they didn't, they just blew the crap out of us from hundreds of meters away with radio-controlled explosives. And God help you if you had laces hanging out. I'm pretty sure he would have court-martialed a dismembered foot if it somehow became detatched from the boot bands it was tucked into.

[Weiss Pinguin]

Then I still win. Bare hands, forearms, legs, E-tool, slash wire, rifle butt, radio battery, you name it, I can kill or at least incapacitate somebody with it. In theory I know how to kill a tank with a WP grenade and a rock. Also, I'm on a horse. :DL
But first you need two tickets to that thing she likes ;)

[frau kaleun]

Then I still win. Bare hands, forearms, legs, E-tool, slash wire, rifle butt, radio battery, you name it, I can kill or at least incapacitate somebody with it. In theory I know how to kill a tank with a WP grenade and a rock. Also, I'm on a horse. :DL

:yeah:

But first you need two tickets to that thing she likes ;)

Bonus points if he can show me how to kill someone with the tickets. :D

[UnderseaLcpl]

:yeah:
Bonus points if he can show me how to kill someone with the tickets. :D

That's easy.

Look at your man, now back to me, now look at your man, now back to me. Fortunately, he isn't me, because I'd hate to be killed by tickets. I have two tickets to that thing you love. Grab them before they turn into diamonds.

Now you're on a boat with the man who could smell who could smell like the guy in the Old Spice commercial. Pretend to kiss him, and then step around behind him when he closes his eyes whilst kicking the back of his knee. Either knee will work. Place your left arm arm underneath his left armpit to deny him leverage. Place your right arm around his neck but above his right shoulder and grab your right wrist with your left hand and push inwards. Use the leverage to exert pressure on the artery in his neck. If he starts coughing, you're doing it wrong and you need to go higher.because you're choking hm to death. If you do it right, his brain will shut down due to oxygen deprivation in about 8 seconds. Then you can open his mouth, fold up the tickets, into a paper-football-type shape, reach down his throat, and wedge them into the space between his epiglottis and and the back of his throat. That's the physical way.

[Weiss Pinguin]

Bonus points if you do it on a horse. Or to a horse.

[frau kaleun]

That's easy.

Look at your man, now back to me, now look at your man, now back to me. Fortunately, he isn't me, because I'd hate to be killed by tickets. I have two tickets to that thing you love. Grab them before they turn into diamonds.

Now you're on a boat with the man who could smell who could smell like the guy in the Old Spice commercial. Pretend to kiss him, and then step around behind him when he closes his eyes whilst kicking the back of his knee. Either knee will work. Place your left arm arm underneath his left armpit to deny him leverage. Place your right arm around his neck but above his right shoulder and grab your right wrist with your left hand and push inwards. Use the leverage to exert pressure on the artery in his neck. If he starts coughing, you're doing it wrong and you need to go higher.because you're choking hm to death. If you do it right, his brain will shut down due to oxygen deprivation in about 8 seconds.

Well now that's just a standard sleeper hold. :nope:

I was really hoping for something where you origami'd the tickets into a miniature katana and then shivved him in the brain through an eye socket. Creativity counts!

Then you can open his mouth, fold up the tickets, into a paper-football-type shape, reach down his throat, and wedge them into the space between his epiglottis and and the back of his throat. That's the physical way.

I suppose the non-physical way of killing a man with the tickets would be to make sure they're for a showing of Sex And The City 2 and then force him to go with you. :O:

[frau kaleun]

Bonus points if you do it on a horse. Or to a horse.

Please note, only Weiss Penguin is offering bonus points for doing it on a horse.

I don't know who's giving out points for doing it to a horse. The horse, perhaps? :D

[Weiss Pinguin]

I suppose the non-physical way of killing a man with the tickets would be to make sure they're for a showing of Sex And The City 2 and then force him to go with you. :O:
Or twilight :o

[Sailor Steve]

Actually most women I know prefer the guys who don't spend more time getting dressed and fiddling with their outfits than they do, so it sounds kinda like you all lose on this one. :88)
Not a true sailor. The so-called bell-bottoms were actually stove-pipes, designed to go on over the shoes, which means a real sailor can get dressed (or undressed) in less than thirty seconds.

Personally I prefer the ones who can teach me the most ways to kill someone with my bare hands, but then I've always been a little bit... special. :O:
I'm old, and experienced in feeling and dealing guilt. I can kill with a word. :D

[frau kaleun]

a real sailor can get dressed (or undressed) in less than thirty seconds.

http://images.icanhascheezburger.com/completestore/2009/5/23/128875590863673614.jpg

:O:

[antikristuseke]

Not a true sailor. The so-called bell-bottoms were actually stove-pipes, designed to go on over the shoes, which means a real sailor can get dressed (or undressed) in less than thirty seconds.


I could get dressed, with my fatigues tucked into my boots, my flack jaket on and webbing on in 30 seconds, in 57 seconds id have my rifle from the armoury and in just under a minute would be outside thebarracs on my designated position.

[Weiss Pinguin]

I could get dressed, with my fatigues tucked into my boots, my flack jaket on and webbing on in 30 seconds, in 57 seconds id have my rifle from the armoury and in just under a minute would be outside thebarracs on my designated position.
We're not talking about combat or drills here, man! ;)

[antikristuseke]

those are the stats for a random at night wake up drill :)

Hell, if there is a woman involved i can be undressed a lot faster.

[Ducimus]

Also, I'm on a horse. :DL

.

Which means nothing unless your a Horseman!

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i44/CYOUNG2110/redhorse-transback.gif

Nothing is more Manly then being sweaty, dirty, wearing a hard hat, a tool belt, a rifle slung across your back, and operating heavy equipment!

We're kick ass enough to an air assault division.
http://www.military-graphics.com/REDHORSE-AIRASSAULT.png

And were so bad ass, someone named a Beer after us!
http://blogalag.typepad.com/blog/images/2007/12/18/happyhorse.jpg



Hoo Rah! :D

[frau kaleun]

C'mon guys, get serious.

We need to establish the precise amount of time it takes a dude from each of branch of the armed services* to get in and out of uniform.

That way I can keep a list of said info and pass it around to every lady I know. Then if one of us ever encounters someone who is clearly only pretending to be what he says he is, she can reveal him to the world as a fraud and a liar. Disparaging remarks with regard to equipment, skill rating, and endurance under stress will be included free of charge.



*Not including the Air Force. We have standards.

[Ducimus]

*Not including the Air Force. We have standards.


Ohhh... way to ruin my fun. :haha:

[frau kaleun]

Ohhh... way to ruin my fun. :haha:

:D

I take the occasional dig at the USAF because whenever they're mentioned I notice a certain "look" come over the faces of most of the Army/Navy/Marines vets I know.

It looks like disdain but I suspect the Air Force reads it as envy. :O:

[Weiss Pinguin]

I take the occasional dig at the USAF because whenever they're mentioned I notice a certain "look" come over the faces of most of the Army/Navy/Marines vets I know.
A family friend, who is retired Navy, now works at Tinker AFB. Don't ask him how it compares to the Navy... :lol:

[antikristuseke]

Why all the mockery of the chairforce?:smug:

[Ducimus]

:D

I take the occasional dig at the USAF because whenever they're mentioned I notice a certain "look" come over the faces of most of the Army/Navy/Marines vets I know.

It looks like disdain but I suspect the Air Force reads it as envy. :O:

You know...... coming from a background in the AF where i actually had to work for a living, and spent time away from the comfy airbases, i struggled with this constantly. The looks were more priceless when you showed up wearing BDU's with AF insignia on it, in places nobody EVER expected to see the air force.

Regardless how much dirt you share with the Army and Navy (Seabee's in specific), you are rarely given due respect. After awhile, i figured out i didn't need to prove anything to anyone not in "The Horse." because they weren't schitt to me. That said, most "complaints" about the AF have some validity. I can't count the number of times i came back to home station and thought, "these people have it made and they don't even know it.". But hey, this is just smoke being blown from an Ex AF puke, so what would i know...........

EDIT:

Pictured:
Air Force Pukes, living the life of Riley, in comfy AC, good chow, and nowhere near the Army. (http://bigjournalism.com/myon/2010/04/02/red-horse-in-the-desert-of-death/)

[mookiemookie]

You know, it's always funny to see how Subsim threads evolve. I smile when I see how this has turned into an interservice rivalry thread. You never know where the conversation will take you.

I love this place. :yeah:

[August]

...but I suspect the Air Force reads it as envy. :O:

And Denial is not just a river in Egypt... :yep:

[Weiss Pinguin]

Pictured:
Air Force Pukes, living the life of Riley, in comfy
AC, good chow, and nowhere near the Army.
Can't see any of the pictures :hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

When they sent me to meet my ship in the far western Pacific, my last day at San Diego NTC was spent policing the outer reaches of the drill field, picking up trash and cigarette butts from 0600 until 1630. They flew us up to Travis AFB, and the next day at about 0900 we were still sitting around when an airman wandered in and said "Hey guys, want a tour of the base?"

On the other hand, the Air Force certainly has the smartest enlisted men. In which other branch do the grunts send their officers out to do the fighting and dying?

[Sailor Steve]

I could get dressed, with my fatigues tucked into my boots, my flack jaket on and webbing on in 30 seconds, in 57 seconds id have my rifle from the armoury and in just under a minute would be outside thebarracs on my designated position.
We've all seen pictures of you. You have trouble standing up in less than thirty seconds.
:O: :rotfl2:

[antikristuseke]

heh, that is the booze, I have to clamp down firmly not to fall off the planet.

[August]

On the other hand, the Air Force certainly has the smartest enlisted men. In which other branch do the grunts send their officers out to do the fighting and dying?

I'd say every branch that has an air wing, which means all of them. Even in the Army Chopper pilots are at least Warrant Officers.

[Ducimus]

On the other hand, the Air Force certainly has the smartest enlisted men.

They don't take just anybody. You have to score decently on your ASVAB. Before High school graduation, I was all set on joining the army, and wasn't too far away from signing some papers, going to MEPS, and "DEP"ing in. My lifes goal was to jump out of planes, kick butt and take names.

Then one day the AF recruiter called me, saying he was impressed with my ASVAB scores and wanted me to come down to the office to talk. As i recall, i scored a 97 in mechanical. Since i was already in an ROTC like program that was affiliated with the AF at the time (no army one near by), i said, "sure why not". Heh,. Well, obviously his sales pitch worked.

Only problem is, i signed up as "General Mechanical" since nothing specific was open. I signed on to be a Jet Mechanic, and they made me a construction worker. :rotfl2: AF has something exactly like the Navy SeaBee's... who would have thunk it. Shame they don't advertise that. It's all about the high tech jobs in the recruiting office. What a bunch of crock.

[Platapus]

If only Air Force Recruiting commercials were realistic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jET7zGnPKjo

Now THIS is a recruiting video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jET7zGnPKjo

:salute:

[Ducimus]

If only Air Force Recruiting commercials were realistic.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jET7zGnPKjo

Now THIS is a recruiting video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jET7zGnPKjo

:salute:


Damn. Why couldn't my enlistment have been like that. Instead i was building stuff similar to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okknt9MFqxk&feature=related)when i wasn't tasked to work with the monkeys from Airfields. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX97KpkX9vM&feature=related), or doing some other stupid thing similar to this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLqZ7YFZs9g) I think i've been cheated!

[Platapus]

Damn. Why couldn't my enlistment have been like that. Instead i was building stuff similar to this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=okknt9MFqxk&feature=related)when i wasn't tasked to work with the monkeys from Airfields. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vX97KpkX9vM&feature=related), or doing some other stupid thing similar to this. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lLqZ7YFZs9g) I think i've been cheated!


I never could figure out what Red Horse's mission was

1. Was it to kill the enemy and then build crap?

2. Build crap while taking fire and then kill the enemy once construction was completed?

3. Kill the enemy while building crap?

I was always confused by this.

[antikristuseke]

It is probably build crap crappily, then have it collapse on your enemy, killing them with crap you have built

[Ducimus]

Build crap while at risk of taking fire is the closest answer. The Horse is self contained and equiped to handle's it's own security. I never had to build crap while getting shot at thankfully. But you do get extra ground training, you do get to play with some cool toys, and you get an Special Experience Indentifier stamped on your record for your trouble.

So yeah, back to my point in all my ranting here..not all who are in the Air Force, sit in chairs and fly desks, where their biggest job hazzard, is a paper cut.

[Platapus]

Pretty manly unit and that includes the ladies :salute:

[Ducimus]

Pretty manly unit and that includes the ladies :salute:


YOU HAVE NO IDEA! The one that sticks out the most was this SrA whos first name was Sue. (witholding last name in case she finds this post through google, tracks me down and kicks my ass, but she's was well known through TWO red horse squadrons) One of her arms was as big around as one of my legs. That bull dyke was built like a pit bull. Rip your head off and crap down your neck if you crossed her. The one cute girl in our unit, was ummm her ahh... partner.. or so was the rumor.