Hydrogen will set u free

[yubba]

I found something that might spark some interest, it was an idea that I was toying with in my head but somebody actually got it too work http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3LVhNj5Hf0&feature=related just as i thought . What if I told you that you could make hydrogen at home , what if it was as simple as pouring water into a jar ,what if you could build a HHO generator at home with things you found in your kitchen , what if you could run your car with this ,what would you do ?

[FIREWALL]

:up: yubba kool find.

[yubba]

Pretty wild stuff I m going too try to build one today let you know how it turns out.

[Castout]

If I got to build my own home I would use my own electric generator as much from renewable energy sources such as wind and the sun(with solar panel) and store them in battery cells, recycle my own water and store rain water and probably process it too . . . .

Ummm . . . . . .

nah not because I'm green but because the utility companies sucks your money dry here and give a bad service(power outages, etc) LoL.

[aergistal]

If I got to build my own home I would use my own electric generator as much from renewable energy sources such as wind and the sun(with solar panel) and store them in battery cells, recycle my own water and store rain water and probably process it too . . . .


The actual design of the building can help too. Look for passive house designs, which can be very energy efficient if built right.

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[yubba]

I remeber doing electrolist back in high school chemistry when we had the oil embrago . This would have been the answer to a lot of energy problems here in the U S . I think this is just about criminal that it has not been used , in light of the oil disaster in the gulf i think some heads should roll. So why do we have to go to the moon to find water to make fuel when we got water here. I live down the street from the space center where freinds of mine are looseing their jobs I think it would be fitting for them to show the world that making hydrogen is as easy as pouring water out of a tap , and that we will never have to loose american lives over oil.

[SteamWake]

So thats where the spatulas went :haha:

Be very careful when connecting things to a car battery the stored energy in a car battery can be astounding. A mis step can lead to a fire or worse an explosion.

Any energy source that requires energy to create it is bit counter productive.

Finally your dealing with an explosive gas and electrical sources of ignition. Theres a reason they dont use hydrogen for lighter than aircraft these days.

[yubba]

ain t it great, this is so cool it s freaky,and no big oilly mess too clean up.

[nikimcbee]

...making a homemade electrolisys set up?

[yubba]

got my nylon nuts and bolts debatein over stainless plate or pipe I see they can produce 1 liter of hydrogen a minute maybe more with 12 volt car battery knowledge is powerhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xJyzHFl8O4s

[TLAM Strike]

http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/9990/129170659999696994.jpg
Running a car on water again?

You guys are not believing this right?

Thermodynamics says no!

You will use more energy than you gain making H from H20. :nope:

[Oberon]

Hydrogen will set u on fire

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/blackhawks-confidential/hindenburg3.jpg

Cool link though :)

[yubba]

I see ya one Hindenburg to 1 gulf spill , what if the Hindenburg accident never happened ? It seems to be safe 4 space travel.

[Oberon]

Touché. I'm not exactly fond of non-renewable sources of energy myself, however, as TLAM Strike said, for any source of energy to be efficient you've got to get more out than you put in.
Still, one day perhaps, there's plenty of minds working on it... :yep:

[yubba]

that depends on how you look at it. how much enegy is spent on oil from the ground to the pump if that was the case we d still be burning coal , and we would be dead.

[Diopos]

If you burn oil to produce electricity to produce hydrogen to "burn" it to run your car then why not burn the oil directly in the car?

To put it in a "subsim" context it is similar to a sub cruising on the surface using its batteries and not its diesels.

BUT

If your electricity is produced not from the consupmtion of chemical energy but from wind turbines, hydroplants, solar panels etc. then you have a more "favorable" series of energy transformations. Definately a good option (not without its problems though). And yes there should have been more research in how to incorporate hydrogen in the "energy greeds".

[yubba]

it s a hybrid ,your getting it ,still ground covered ,what if you use solar or wind ? where did I see it, cows, sun makes grass cows eat grass ,ect ,ect . u missed a point if they get it right the machine will produce it s own fuel till it runs out of water.

[TLAM Strike]

that depends on how you look at it. how much enegy is spent on oil from the ground to the pump if that was the case we d still be burning coal , and we would be dead.

Look at the gulf oil spill, we drilled a hole to the oil and it came up on its own without the need for pumps. Oil wants to come up to the surface (it happens naturally) we simply give it the path of least resistance.

@Oberon: I don't believe in renewable energy. There is no such thing. Any source of energy requires just as much energy to create as it generates. (To test: Get a plumb bob, hold string in one hand and and pull the weight to the 3 O'clock position with the other, release weight and it will never exceeded the 3/9 O'clock position) This "Renewable" energy is just feeding off of long term decay of a system. The sun will die and Solar will stop working, the Earth will stop spinning and the winds and tides will stop (no turbines), Uranium will decay to lead and nuclear will stop working. Eventuality all heat will die from the universe and all that's left will be the cockroaches.

Unless you are tapping Zero Point energy and that's not even a certainty.

[yubba]

what would 1 solar panel produce ? Also cows, sun makes grass cows eat grass.

[CaptainHaplo]

Its not renewable - some things are simply more efficient than others. The law of entropy dictates some loss in each transformation of energy from one form to another.

Besides - for those that think Hydrogen from H2O is the answer - you do realize that worldwide there is already the start of a water shortage, don'tcha? Know what making water THE energy source will do to that situation?

[yubba]

This planet has more water than we know what to do with , outside of using it like a toilet. Have you seen what a can of corn cost lately.

[Platapus]

Its not renewable - some things are simply more efficient than others. The law of entropy dictates some loss in each transformation of energy from one form to another.

Besides - for those that think Hydrogen from H2O is the answer - you do realize that worldwide there is already the start of a water shortage, don'tcha? Know what making water THE energy source will do to that situation?


Where did the water go? I am not aware of any non-nuclear way of destroying water. Water, like energy, is moved or has its state changed. But how would we destroy water in order to have a shortage?

Now if you are talking about a shortage of fresh water, that might be true. But I am not aware of any general shortage of water.

If some of the scientists are right about the glaciers melting, we may not have a shortage of water at all but a surplus. :)

[yubba]

this planet has more water on it than we know what too do with, outside of using it like a toilet, and have you seen what a can of corn cost lately.

[Buddahaid]

Hydrogen will set u on fire

http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/blackhawks-confidential/hindenburg3.jpg

Cool link though :)

Yup! When I was a kid I would gather balloons, a coke bottle, aluminum foil, and lye crystals to make hydrogen balloons. The lye was available at the supermarket in the laundry soap aisle. You just made a solution of lye and water in the coke bottle. Rolled up some foil like a cinnamon stick and dropped it in the bottle, then put a balloon over the bottle. The foil would disolve giving off hydrogen which would fill the balloon. Pull the balloon off and tie it, add a fuse, light it and let it go at night. It would float off and explode in a fireball a couple hundred yards off.

Don't try this! It may explode in your hand. I still have all my parts though. :rotfl2:

[Zachstar]

The Mythbusters have thoroughly Fraked up the whole idea of hydrogen or water injection because of their bogus "busting"

Too many people on the Internets think water to gas is some nutjob scheme to run a car engine on nothing but water. Obviously if there isnt a Mr Fusion in there as well it is impossible.

The truth is if someone gave a read at the various material on in car hydrogen production out there the reason to do that is to enhance the energy gain from the chemical reaction from petrol.

You know what octane is right? The higher it is the better and cleaner the burn and less "knock" or out of sequence firing.

Proper water vapor and hydrogen injection enhance octane as well as the hydrogen ensuring far less fuel is lost due to incomplete combustion.

However it almost all modern cars a fuel air mixture which is handled by the onboard computer which is UNLAWFUL to tamper with. Therefore the only legal and useful way Watergas can be used in my opinion is with pre-computer carburetor vehicles.

This in my opinion is an example of it in use http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUgUF5M3FTI Tho I question if the police did it right as normally with a car with an onboard computer the computer thinks the mixture is off because the output is too clean. And adjusts which oftentimes causes a loss of MPG overall due to outlandish changes in mixture. There are mods to fix the issue but unless the town or state has not passed laws that limit tampering with the onboard computer. I wonder if they did it right.