About SSN's for those who know

[The Third Man]

A few questions .

Is it true that the hull penetrations are no larger than 26” (Ohio Class excluded for obvious reason) including the weapons shipping hatch?

Are the passageways only 30”?

Why the wood venier? Because it weighs less than paint?

Does Rickover’s rule concerning penetration of the reactor compartment hold in the Virginia class boats? Electric only.

How many folks occupy the ‘attack center’ during a normal evolution?
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I expect to have more questions as my evolution/education continues.

Anyone with any info are clear to reply and will enjoy my greatest thanks.

[breadcatcher101]

You're obviously are a chubby tree-hugging fellow who plans to sabatoge one of our boats. :D

Ah yes... Sherlock Holmes, Charlie Chan, Agent 86, and Breadcatcher.

[The Third Man]

You're obviously are a chubby tree-hugging fellow who plans to sabatoge one of our boats. :D

Ah yes... Sherlock Holmes, Charlie Chan, Agent 86, and Breadcatcher.


I just want to know. More tech than most perhaps but certainly not what you subscribe.

[The Third Man]

You're obviously are a chubby tree-hugging fellow who plans to sabatoge one of our boats. :D

Ah yes... Sherlock Holmes, Charlie Chan, Agent 86, and Breadcatcher.

Beyond frame 57 is classified. I know that.

[TLAM Strike]

A few questions .

Is it true that the hull penetrations are no larger than 26” (Ohio Class excluded for obvious reason) including the weapons shipping hatch? Ohio class is not an SSN.

Halibut had a 22 foot hatch for loading and unloading the Regulus missiles. This was reused for loading special gear when the sub became an SSN.

Other than boats with SLBM tubes I can't think of any other nuclear boats with a hole larger than 26" in the pressure hull (Hydrodynamic hull is another story).

Are the passageways only 30”? not sure the exact size but from these photos (of a RN SSN) they look about 30 inches:
http://img408.imageshack.us/img408/3148/02aj.jpg
http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4919/18378012.jpg

Why the wood venier? Because it weighs less than paint? Looks nice (crew morale). US Boats since before WWII have had it although its removed in wartime since its a fire hazard.

[The Third Man]

Ohio class is not an SSN.

I think if you re-read my quiry you know I know that,

[ETR3(SS)]

Well I was on an Ohio, not a SSN but I can still answer questions. TLAM Strike has most of the answers down already. I am a little curious about the removal of the veneer being removed for any reason. There's far more flammable and dangerous materials on a boat like the hull insulation or the EOG.

As for manning in the attack center; if by "attack center" you mean the Control Room, and by "normal evolution" you mean the normal watch section then not too many. There's the OOD, Dive, COW, Helmsman, Planesman, FTOW, QMOW, and the Messenger at minimum. So 8ish, there can be more Helmsmen and Planesmen depending upon the amount qualified in the watch section.

Does Rickover’s rule concerning penetration of the reactor compartment hold in the Virginia class boats? Electric only.Not sure what you're getting at with this. It wouldn't be a Rickover rule per se, but a Naval Reactors rule. This may help explain a little more about nuclear propulsion.

http://americanhistory.si.edu/subs/operating/propulsion/reactor/images/reactor_diagram.gif

[The Third Man]

sturgen/ los angeles diagrms. but it doesn't answeer my questions.

http://www.ussdevilfish.com/diag01b.gif

http://www.ussdevilfish.com/diag01a.gif

http://www.ussdevilfish.com/diag02b.gif

http://www.ussdevilfish.com/diag02a.gif

[The Third Man]

There's the OOD, Dive, COW, Helmsman, Planesman, FTOW, QMOW, and the Messenger at minimum.


There is a start. Thank you.

[ETR3(SS)]

Per my diagram you have at least three penetrations into the RC: Steam going out, condensate coming back in, and electrical. AT some point you may want to change the air in there for what ever reason so there's four penetrations.

edit: Your pictures of the "USS Devilfish" there, there is no USS Devilfish SSN 666. SSN 666 was the Hawkbill, a Sturgeon still but curious that it's renamed in the picture.:hmmm:

[TLAM Strike]

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2005/MAB0501.htm

Look at figure 7.

[The Third Man]

I appreciate the answers but none answeer the questions.

Is it true that the hull penetrations are no larger than 26” (Ohio Class excluded for obvious reason) including the weapons shipping hatch?

Are the passageways only 30”?

Why the wood venier? Because it weighs less than paint?

Does Rickover’s rule concerning penetration of the reactor compartment hold in the Virginia class boats? Electric only.

How many folks occupy the ‘attack center’ during a normal evolution?

[Ducimus]

Call me paranoid, but the word "OpSec" is screaming at me.

[TLAM Strike]

edit: Your pictures of the "USS Devilfish" there, there is no USS Devilfish SSN 666. SSN 666 was the Hawkbill, a Sturgeon still but curious that it's renamed in the picture.:hmmm: http://www.ussdevilfish.com/index01.htm

[ETR3(SS)]

Well that explains it.:up:

[TLAM Strike]

To repeat/rephrase:

I appreciate the answers but none answeer the questions.

Is it true that the hull penetrations are no larger than 26” (Ohio Class excluded for obvious reason) including the weapons shipping hatch?Correct on all current classes of SSN. (Pressure hull only.)

Are the passageways only 30”? Correct.

Why the wood venier? Because it weighs less than paint? No, because in the US wood paneling is considered nice and relaxing thus is found in many homes. The reason its on subs is to make the crew feel at home.

Does Rickover’s rule concerning penetration of the reactor compartment hold in the Virginia class boats? Electric only. According to ETR3(SS) there are four.

How many folks occupy the ‘attack center’ during a normal evolution? About 13.

[Jimbuna]

Call me paranoid, but the word "OpSec" is screaming at me.

http://htomc.dns2go.com/anim/anim/PEEPHOLE.GIF :DL

[The Third Man]

Thanks for the thoughtful answers TLAM Strike.

[geetrue]

These are not normal questions third man ...

If you would be so kind to reply ... Why do you inquire of these items of interest?

Hull penetrations?

Passageway clearence?

Imitation wood decor that covers the ugly truth of yellow tobaco stains?

Rickover rules?

Questions limited to SSN's?

[Jimbuna]

And so he left as swiftly as he came http://funnies.mgsrvr.com/sherlock_smoking_lg_nwm.gif

[The Third Man]

These are not normal questions third man ...

If you would be so kind to reply ... Why do you inquire of these items of interest?

Hull penetrations?

Passageway clearence?

Imitation wood decor that covers the ugly truth of yellow tobaco stains?

Rickover rules?

Questions limited to SSN's?

Nothing untoward or sinister I assure you. Just idle curiosity, based on what I have read on the net and in books like 'Silent Chase', 'US Submarines since 1945' , http://www.ussdevilfish.com/images/gall12.htm , interior shots as seen here, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8283115314667632285, etc..

Thanks for asking.

PS Its not like I'm asking if the stators on the Virginia class boat's propulsor are pre or post flow. :03::03: :yep: :yep:

[ETR3(SS)]

Nothing untoward or sinister I assure you. Just idle curiosity, based on what I have read on the net and in books like 'Silent Chase', 'US Submarines since 1945' , http://www.ussdevilfish.com/images/gall12.htm , interior shots as seen here, http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8283115314667632285, etc..

Thanks for asking.

PS Its not like I'm asking if the stators on the Virginia class boat's propulsor are pre or post flow. :03::03: :yep: :yep:That maybe true, but most if not all submariners are familiar with Mr. John Walker and his family. Sometimes we get a little nervous about people asking questions.

[The Third Man]

here's one for ya.

So how big was that gyro on SSBNs which allowed pre-Ohio boats to maintain position using the rigity in space concept for a 381' to 425' hunk of boyant metal?

[geetrue]

here's one for ya.

So how big was that gyro on SSBNs which allowed pre-Ohio boats to maintain position using the rigity in space concept for a 381' to 425' hunk of boyant metal?

Well third man we don't want to run you off or anything ... lots of people know about submarines and things you are interested in, right here on subsim.

This is from four years ago about water jets: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=289528

How big was the gyro? What kind of question is that? I use to walk by it all the time back in nav land, but dog gone if I know how big it is.

I can tell you one thing though the electronic clock that made it all work was just a plug in item under the nav table. While kicking his legs one day the navigator accindently unplugs the sins clock. Talk about confusion ... we had to surface and take sightings to correct the time being off for a few minutes. I reckon thats unclassified by now forty years later lol

Got any unclassified sea stories for us ETR3 (SS)

[ETR3(SS)]

I think I got one or two.:hmmm:

Somewhere in the Pac, as always, I was sitting Helm when the CO walks into Control. He ask a few questions of the OOD then announced that the CO had the Conn. We were flankin it to somewhere so we had a bit of speed on and the Cap'n wanted to do some high speed maneuvers. So he orders a left full rudder, no course to come to just turning. Well he must of got tired of going left because then he ordered right full rudder. We went right for a while and then he brought us back to base course and turned the Conn back over to the OOD and left Control.

No sooner than the old man had left control, I hear snickering coming from the plot; the Quartermaster found something funny. I tell ya I wouldn't have believed it if I didn't see it my self. When I got off the helm I went over to the plot to see what was so funny. I look at the chart and here's this big penis complete with balls drawn on the chart that was our track.:rotfl2: Only in the Navy!

[TLAM Strike]

Call me paranoid, but the word "OpSec" is screaming at me.
Well everything I posted can be found on the Internet or in Books. ETR3(SS) posted a picture showing where he got his info.

According to a friend of mine who did errr... "Stuff" with "Things" in "Places" while in the USN if you can find it on the Internet its not OpSec.

:salute:

[ETR3(SS)]

According to a friend of mine who did errr... "Stuff" with "Things" in "Places" while in the USN if you can find it on the Internet its not OpSec.:salute: This is what I live by for the 688i mod. ;)