Something Odd

[Patchman123]

I have discovered something odd with Silent Hunter IV. The sailors are wearing USMC beltbuckles. They are wearing belt buckles with United States Marine Corps inscribed on it when they should be US Navy. No US Marines ever operated on a submarine. Not once. Not ever. Marines are ONLY posted to surface warships only, not submarines. This struck me as being rather odd and strange to see United States Marine Corps inscribed on a sailor's belt buckle when there are no USMC personnel ever allowed on subs. Subs are Navy only.
:har::har:
http://img806.imageshack.us/img806/126/sh42010071517314434.jpg

[rein1705]

not entirely true : Nautilus departed Hawaiian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii) waters for her second war patrol, a special troop transport mission of three weeks duration, 8 August. Sailing with submarine Argonaut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Argonaut_%28SM-1%29) and carrying the Second Raider Battalion (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Second_Raider_Battalion&action=edit&redlink=1) under Lieutenant Colonel Evans F. Carlson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evans_F._Carlson) (the Marine Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Raiders), or "Carlson's Raiders") she arrived off Makin Atoll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makin_Atoll) on 16 August to stage a raid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makin_Raid) to divert Japanese attention from the Solomon Islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Islands).

But anyway i too noticed that they wore USMC belt buckles but never really computed how strange that was... Possibly they swiped them from Marine stores while at port for souvineers lol :D

[Patchman123]

not entirely true : Nautilus departed Hawaiian (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii) waters for her second war patrol, a special troop transport mission of three weeks duration, 8 August. Sailing with submarine Argonaut (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Argonaut_%28SM-1%29) and carrying the Second Raider Battalion (http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Second_Raider_Battalion&action=edit&redlink=1) under Lieutenant Colonel Evans F. Carlson (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evans_F._Carlson) (the Marine Raiders (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marine_Raiders), or "Carlson's Raiders") she arrived off Makin Atoll (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makin_Atoll) on 16 August to stage a raid (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makin_Raid) to divert Japanese attention from the Solomon Islands (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Solomon_Islands).

But anyway i too noticed that they wore USMC belt buckles but never really computed how strange that was... Possibly they swiped them from Marine stores while at port for souvineers lol :D

Maybe, but I wasn't talking about Marine Raiders or passengers like that, I was talking about the regular crew of the submarine.

[rein1705]

well hahah maybe our men took them from port and there's a lot of marines out there somewhere wondering what hapend to all there belt buckles as we sail away into the sunset laughing about our prank.

[Patchman123]

well hahah maybe our men took them from port and there's a lot of marines out there somewhere wondering what hapend to all there belt buckles as we sail away into the sunset laughing about our prank.

Maybe, Maybe. This whole thing was a prank to fool me? Why? I like historical accuracy and we shouldn't play around with accuracy like that as a prank, we might hurt somebody or the feelings of someone else or the historical accuracy of the game, or essence of the game, or some vet.

[rein1705]

Indeed, i was just being a tad sarcastic. The buckles are the same even in the stock SH4 1.5 so it's something the creators modeled into the game, but for what purpose i have no idea. maybe there is some significance to the crew wareing the Marine Corps belts that we do not know, a piece of history UBI thought to put into the game... or it was just one of the many mistakes UBI's made...

[raymond6751]

This issue was noticed and fixed by more than one modder. The larger mod sets have this and many other little issues fixed.

[Patchman123]

This issue was noticed and fixed by more than one modder. The larger mod sets have this and many other little issues fixed.

I noticed the error while playing We Dive at Dawn mod. I don't know why they haven't rectified it.
USMC is not a British service.

[TabbyHunter]

I dont mean to be mean, but patchman, this is your 3rd or fourth topic complaining about minor details. I mean, who stairs at a mans lower regions looking for minor graphical flaws in the game?

[Raven79]

Indeed, Tabby..

Ray; some, yet not all. FOTRS doesn't fix it for being not worthy of work. Most of the crew sits in darker corners anyway so you won't notice, so what the heck. :haha:

.o(Should I mention that we usually are on U.S. fleet boats in this game, not the British Navy, or not?)

[Patchman123]

I dont mean to be mean, but patchman, this is your 3rd or fourth topic complaining about minor details. I mean, who stairs at a mans lower regions looking for minor graphical flaws in the game?

What? Are you accusing me of being a pervert? This is not about being a pervert. This is about being accurate. There is nothing perverse here anyway, I just noticed it while looking around in the game.

[Raven79]

:doh: *sits down speechless and begins making a 'do not feed' sign to hang around someone's neck*

[TabbyHunter]

No, i did not mean to accuse you of being a pervert. No, i was implieing your tendancy to nitpick majorly minor details that the major part of the gaming community would ever notice., and then, even less then those that did see, would even know was wrong.

[ETR3(SS)]

The only reason for this blunder that I can think of comes down to languages. The Romanian word for navy is marina, which as you can see is close to marine.

There's bigger issues that SH4 has that never got fixed, a belt buckle can be redone by a modder.

And for what it's worth, I'm a sub vet and am not offended personally.

[Patchman123]

No, i did not mean to accuse you of being a pervert. No, i was implieing your tendancy to nitpick majorly minor details that the major part of the gaming community would ever notice., and then, even less then those that did see, would even know was wrong.

Nitpick over minor details, we do it all the time. I like finding the minor details that no one notices because it's fun and it points out errors that could be fixed by other modders and game people. It's fun because it helps the game to be more accurate in my opinion and it helps to be observant as well. :salute:
:yeah:

I like being observant. What's wrong with that? :haha:

[TabbyHunter]

Indeed, being observent is good. But some people hate nitpickers, and while i dont /hate/ nitpickers...they do annoy me. Bust someone said it has been fixed before, so, whatever.

[Ducimus]

I like finding the minor details that no one notices because it's fun and it points out errors that could be fixed by other modders ...


I guarantee you, nobody spends more time looking at the details of this game then anyone working on or producing a mod for it. The same holds true for SH3 and SH5. Many of these details, are not visual either, but learned after A LOT of trial and error testing, along with observing patterns of behavior within the game.

I can also tell you, that there are few details that have escaped notice. Just because they were not addressed in a mod doesn't mean they were not noticed. What it does mean, is that other details rated higher on the priority list, and therego what time there was available, was put to that detail instead. (Trick question: If a modder only has 3 hours to work per day, where would you rather him spend his time, fixing submarine mechanics and/or AI behavior, or fixing texture files for belt buckles?) Hence creating threads for the sole purpose of pointing out the frivolous and obvious, will only makes eyes roll.

edit:
Furthermore, if the USMC belt buckles on US navy personnel are that irritating, either D/L one of the many mods that fixed it, if not there's always this:

http://www.gimp.org/

Just as good as photoshop, and it's free.

[rein1705]

I love FOTRS !


Anywho, so there's no historic reference to the buckle? its just a blunder?
I dont mind this little detail at all, and never put more thought than: As i look around the bridge and notice the belt my watchman has on,which is eye level in a Gar or Gato, and say to myself "how'd u end up with that?"

I like that he did point it out though as i thought i must be crazy, "that can't be a Marine Corp buckle he has on can it?"

[Patchman123]

I guarantee you, nobody spends more time looking at the details of this game then anyone working on or producing a mod for it. The same holds true for SH3 and SH5. Many of these details, are not visual either, but learned after A LOT of trial and error testing, along with observing patterns of behavior within the game.

I can also tell you, that there are few details that have escaped notice. Just because they were not addressed in a mod doesn't mean they were not noticed. What it does mean, is that other details rated higher on the priority list, and therego what time there was available, was put to that detail instead. (Trick question: If a modder only has 3 hours to work per day, where would you rather him spend his time, fixing submarine mechanics and/or AI behavior, or fixing texture files for belt buckles?) Hence creating threads for the sole purpose of pointing out the frivolous and obvious, will only makes eyes roll.

edit:
Furthermore, if the USMC belt buckles on US navy personnel are that irritating, either D/L one of the many mods that fixed it, if not there's always this:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Upkcokxarw
http://www.gimp.org/

Just as good as photoshop, and it's free.


How about changing the feed patterns for the Bofors 40mm, where the clip actually feeds into the chamber and actually empties. Did anyone notice that? It looks as though the Bofors 40mm is still stuck in the chamber, even though 4 rounds are expended. The Bofors sound is the same as the Oerlikon 20mm, which is odd because they're both different calibers and one has a faster rate of fire than the other.

Anyway,
here's a clip of someone shooting a Bofors 40mm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLA9yvs-N90&feature=related

[I'm goin' down]

if you remove the belts, pants will come down. The Admiral might belt you for that.

[Raven79]

The Admiral might belt you for that.
Got to be quicker and remove that one, too ;)