Compatibilities, Compatibilities, Compatibilities..

[GMU]

Folks, I wonder when will the individual modders would stop pulling the string each to his side and would start cooperating to solve the problems of incompatibilities between mods ? I understand the mind of modder - each one struggles to make something better than one made it already previously. But seeing let's say ~5 versions of mods that slightly changes the look of one and only stuff is ridiculous. Or when one mod already includes partial already existing feature from another mod is also bad. Freedom of choice works without issues when you actually can choose without being forced to use one or another mod that does not make CTDs or weird behavour/looks of modded stuff.

[Sailor Steve]

You say that you understand the mind of the modder, but the rest of your post indicates that you do not.

Most modders start out as regular players who either see something they thing could be better or have an idea they would like to see implemented. They know nothing of how things work, but they go at it and they learn how to do the things they want done.

This means that they make the mods they want, not the ones we want. Some of them just like to mod, and do offer to try to do what people request, but the only criterion is their own desire to do something that appeals to them.

This also means that criticizing the lack of diversity you think you see might make them less responsive, not more. The best reply I can think of is, why don't you decide what you want to see done and start learning how to do it, instead of insisting that creative people do things your way?

[GMU]

Are you always like that tattling around and missing the point ? All I ever stated about was incompatibilities between mods! Not a word from me as if I don't like the way moders make their mods or somethin. Problem is that if you find two good mods but they are not compatible between each other then it is a big sucker cuz you are forced to choose one of them. To be outspoken in one's critisism about a lack of cooperation between some moders to narrow quantity of incomatibilities is not a bad thing to talk about as you're probably keen to interpret this your own way. And no I don;t want to start becoming modder myself because I will deffinetly lose the excitement of play.

[Sailor Steve]

Maybe it's a misunderstanding because of language problems. If so, I apologize.

What you said was:

Folks, I wonder when will the individual modders would stop pulling the string each to his side and would start cooperating to solve the problems of incompatibilities between mods ?
You addressed the general population here, not the modders themselves. It sounds like you're trying to get people to agree with you that the modders should not make the mods they want to, but spend their time making their mods compatible just for you.

I understand the mind of modder - each one struggles to make something better than one made it already previously.
Can you show where that is true?

But seeing let's say ~5 versions of mods that slightly changes the look of one and only stuff is ridiculous.
Which modders are doing that?

Or when one mod already includes partial already existing feature from another mod is also bad.
Which mods do that?

Freedom of choice works without issues when you actually can choose without being forced to use one or another mod that does not make CTDs or weird behavour/looks of modded stuff.
Modders make mods. They can make their mods compatible with others if they feel like it. You could have requested compatability between certain mods, but instead you said that what they're doing is "ridiculous", and "bad", and you cited "freedom of choice". You have the freedom to choose not to use mods that don't work together, and the freedom to ask politely if someone would fix certain compatibility issues.

If the modders were working together as a team, then they would have testers whose sole job was to point out conflicts and problems. But they're not. They work alone on what they want to work on.

In my opinion what you should have done was ask if anyone could make 'X' mod work with 'Y' mod, "please". You might have gotten a better response that way.

[robbo180265]

I'll also add that with JSGME activating and then deactivating mods is a breeze. So it's not really hard to choose the mods that work together.

[SteelViking]

Or when one mod already includes partial already existing feature from another mod is also bad.

What do you mean by this statement, how could including and perhaps IMPROVING on another person's work be bad. If someone wishes to make a mod, and part of what they want done has already been done by someone else, why not save the time of redoing it?

[lostsm]

I understand the mind of modder - each one struggles to make something better than one made it already previously.
why is this line of thought found everywhere with games? in other words you're just saying people mod to get famous on a internet forum :doh:

[Nisgeis]

why is this line of thought found everywhere with games? in other words you're just saying people mod to get famous on a internet forum :doh:

I do it to get the ladieeeeeeez :yeah:. It hasn't worked yet though :88).

[longam]

Poor OP.

http://www.collectiveroots.org/files/u3/can_of_worms.jpg

[SteelViking]

I do it to get the ladieeeeeeez :yeah:. It hasn't worked yet though :88).

:haha:

[krashkart]

i do it to get the ladieeeeeeez :yeah:. It hasn't worked yet though :88).

Be more aggressive :O:

[lostsm]

I do it to get the ladieeeeeeez :yeah:. It hasn't worked yet though :88).use more flowers and pink stuff

[SteelViking]

use more flowers and pink stuff

That's it! I will make a ladies man interior mod.:har:

[krashkart]

That's it! I will make a ladies man interior mod.:har:

With a round turntable bed and satin sheets? :DL

[Ducimus]

Most modders start out as regular players who either see something they thing could be better or have an idea they would like to see implemented. They know nothing of how things work, but they go at it and they learn how to do the things they want done.

This means that they make the mods they want, not the ones we want. Some of them just like to mod, and do offer to try to do what people request, but the only criterion is their own desire to do something that appeals to them.


This.

[WarlordATF]

If your not willing to fix compatability problems on your own then how can you blame the modders for not doing it? When i started adding Mods to SH4 i saw things i liked in several mods so i asked questions and worked out the issues myself instead of asking modders to do it for me. Why should they be bothered to make the game the way i wanted it when they have already worked so hard to create their version and freely make it available to all of us?

Basicly, if you want things to work together that were not designed to then its up to you to make it yourself. This is a great community here at subsim and most modders will offer advice and help if asked. However being confrontational about how YOU think things should be will get you nowhere around here.

[SteelViking]

If your not willing to fix compatability problems on your own then how can you blame the modders for not doing it? When i started adding Mods to SH4 i saw things i liked in several mods so i asked questions and worked out the issues myself instead of asking modders to do it for me. Why should they be bothered to make the game the way i wanted it when they have already worked so hard to create their version and freely make it available to all of us?

Basicly, if you want things to work together that were not designed to then its up to you to make it yourself. This is a great community here at subsim and most modders will offer advice and help if asked. However being confrontational about how YOU think things should be will get you nowhere around here.

Well said:up:

[Paajtor]

Poor OP.

http://www.collectiveroots.org/files/u3/can_of_worms.jpg

whaahaa :har:

[Harmsway!]

I think you have a misunderstanding on how mods are coded. There is not a compatible way and an incompatible way. Any mod will be incompatible with another if it overwrites the same file as the other mod. There is no way to plan for this unless the mods are made with each other in mind.

For example if one mod changes the HUD color while another changes the HUD commands the two will be incompatible unless the two modders share each others work. You can't expect dozen of coders to know what dozen of others are doing. Truth is though there is a lot of collaboration going on. I for one am very appreciative for that.

Without the foreknowledge of what other coders might be doing the only way to write code that has a chance of being compatible when touching the same file is if you can append the code to the file leaving the preexisting code untouched. This normally is not done because it requires special installers to be written for the user. And there is still the chance that one append could be in conflict with another. Such as both mods wanting to change the HUD color. One has to win over the other or crash.

[Sailor Steve]

That's it! I will make a ladies man interior mod.:har:
With a round turntable bed and satin sheets? :DL

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a325/SailorSteve/16Hccabin.jpg

[krashkart]

I remember seeing that. It's from an alternative history mod, isn't it?

[JScones]

I'll also add that with JSGME activating and then deactivating mods is a breeze. So it's not really hard to choose the mods that work together.
Of course you are right, but you'd be amazed at the number of emails I get from people reporting that JSGME is buggy because after they installed mod "x" their game started crashing (therefore it must be JSGME's fault as it added the mod). My stock response is along the lines of "does your game work again if you uninstall mod x?" which usually yields a "didn't try that, but yes it does, so obviously JSGME is buggy" response and you can imagine the rest of the conversation.

You'd also be amazed at the number of (well meaning I guess) emails I get from people stating that JSGME is reporting a conflict installing mod "x" but JSGME is wrong because mod "y" needs to work with mod "x" in order to get mod "z" working right (etc and so on), so what should they do to get around JSGME's obviously wrong error? My response is along the lines of "please raise with the maker of the mod, but remember, it's only a warning to indicate that you may have problems, not that you will have problems".

But yeah, JSGME is great (if I say so myself), throw a mod in, test it out, don't like it? simply disable and delete it and it's gone.

[GMU]

JSGME is no how responsible for any CTD's. Mods that conflict one with another does. Or when RTFM mode is not triggered. So as long as there will be cold attitude towards solving the compatibilitie issues, we're going to be stuck on to choose between what suits one's taste better. Another option - make it compatible yourself which is actually a PITA and depressing..

[THE_MASK]

Of course you are right, but you'd be amazed at the number of emails I get from people reporting that JSGME is buggy because after they installed mod "x" their game started crashing (therefore it must be JSGME's fault as it added the mod). My stock response is along the lines of "does your game work again if you uninstall mod x?" which usually yields a "didn't try that, but yes it does, so obviously JSGME is buggy" response and you can imagine the rest of the conversation.

You'd also be amazed at the number of (well meaning I guess) emails I get from people stating that JSGME is reporting a conflict installing mod "x" but JSGME is wrong because mod "y" needs to work with mod "x" in order to get mod "z" working right (etc and so on), so what should they do to get around JSGME's obviously wrong error? My response is along the lines of "please raise with the maker of the mod, but remember, it's only a warning to indicate that you may have problems, not that you will have problems".

But yeah, JSGME is great (if I say so myself), throw a mod in, test it out, don't like it? simply disable and delete it and it's gone.Its the best thing since the wheel . Thanks Scones .

[GMU]

Thinking all about it raises one question: WHO HAS BALLS TO REUNITE MODDERS FOR THE START OF A SUPERMOD ???

[Arclight]

Efforts are already underway, as far as I know.

And for the record, I've made my mods with compatibility as a primary concern, both with other mods and new patches. :smug:

[robbo180265]

Be happy with what you have, or make it yourself....


Simple really.

[Kremmen]

Without the work of the modders,from the lone wolf who may make a small tweak here and there to the supermod crews who overhaul the whole game,I don't think the SH series would've reached no.5.
Hoist a frothy one to modders everywhere and give thanks :()1:

[SteelViking]

Its the best thing since the wheel . Thanks Scones .

I second that!

[TDK1044]

Thinking all about it raises one question: WHO HAS BALLS TO REUNITE MODDERS FOR THE START OF A SUPERMOD ???


Supermods are sometimes made by one modder like Ducimus, working his ass off for months on end in order to produce a mod that enhances the game, and includes several other smaller mods that he has included with the permission of the relevant modders.

He always posted a compatibility alert list regarding Trigger Maru. With JSGME and any version of Trigger Maru, Stevie Wonder could have modded Silent Hunter 4 without getting conflicts.

I run 16 mods in Silent Hunter 4 with no conflicts.

As for Silent Hunter 5....until or unless it's fully patched, I won't be attempting to play or mod it.

[severniae]

JSGME is no how responsible for any CTD's. Mods that conflict one with another does. Or when RTFM mode is not triggered. So as long as there will be cold attitude towards solving the compatibilitie issues, we're going to be stuck on to choose between what suits one's taste better. Another option - make it compatible yourself which is actually a PITA and depressing..

GMU - I must admit that I find your comments quite un-called for!

As Steve said earlier - The modders do it for themselves, to them creating a mod is just as fun as playing the game. Are you aware how many UI mods are out there? If every modder had to think about every other mod when creating their own, then to be honest I don't thin that we would have any mods at-all! The fun would have been sucked right out of it!

I myself switch between mods regularly, trying different ones out. Some that I like I keep loaded, some can even be edited to work together.

To be entirely honest, I think it's a little harsh to start bashing the modders when the climate in the Silent Hunter world is already too heated as it is. Ubi have already practically said that the future of SHV relies on them, do they really need any more pressure of expectation on their shoulders?

To the modders - Keep going exactly as you are, you produce fantastic work every day, and the Silent Hunter series would have been long dead without you!:rock:

Regards,

Sev.

[GMU]

Supermods are sometimes made by one modder like Ducimus, working his ass off for months on end in order to produce a mod that enhances the game, and includes several other smaller mods that he has included with the permission of the relevant modders.

He always posted a compatibility alert list regarding Trigger Maru. With JSGME and any version of Trigger Maru, Stevie Wonder could have modded Silent Hunter 4 without getting conflicts.

I run 16 mods in Silent Hunter 4 with no conflicts.

As for Silent Hunter 5....until or unless it's fully patched, I won't be attempting to play or mod it.

Well I deeply doubt you ever see SH5 patched to the end lol. Knowing UBI's drop and forget policy it would be rather fiction than close to reality. Not any of previous SH series were never fully patched, so basically I wish UBI would announce 1.2 as a final "patch" as soon as possible and rid us of painfull illusions to hope for a next patch that will probably never come. I have no doubt that some modders are waiting for that moment to get seriously their hands onto SH5. One modder is good but a group of modders is even more better, working this way they will not overmod each others work and could concentrate on specific tasks they are best in.

[GMU]

TeamWork always wins remember ? Copyrighted by GWX.

[Sailor Steve]

I remember seeing that. It's from an alternative history mod, isn't it?
SH2 didn't have 3D interiors, but screens representing each station. Mods were made to change the look of each station. This was one of the several made for the Captain's Cabin.

On a side note, in the early days of SH3 more than one player complained that since SH2 had "a full interior" why didn't SH3?
:rotfl2:

[krashkart]

Ah okay, I thought it was from an SH3 mod because I'd first seen the screenshot in the SH3 forum. The author has great taste in lingerie. :yep:

[Sailor Steve]

Another option - make it compatible yourself which is actually a PITA and depressing.
What you don't seem to understand is that so is modding. It's hard work for anyone, including the people you demand do it for you.

TeamWork always wins remember ? Copyrighted by GWX.
So put together a team and start modding!

[GMU]

What you fail to understand by reading is that I will never mod. I'm not a modder ok ? I would appreciate if you remeber this once and for all. Modders are for making mods. Users are for using their mods. This is how things work. And I would be glad if you stop accusing me for wanting good to become better. But your silly remarks and offers does not fit the subject nor the title of the thread.

[robbo180265]

What you fail to understand by reading is that I will never mod. I'm not a modder ok ? I would appreciate if you remeber this once and for all. Modders are for making mods. Users are for using their mods. This is how things work. And I would be glad if you stop accusing me for wanting good to become better. But your silly remarks and offers does not fit the subject nor the title of the thread.

lol - just - lol.

[Arclight]

You're not making any friends here. :hmm2:

We'll leave the difference, or similarity, between stating "I'm not a modder" and "I can't be bothered to learn" out of it, but that kind of excludes you from making any demands, or even voicing these kinds of expectations.


At any rate, we should see more cooperation as the game matures. Everyone is starting off with smaller projects, building upon them and expanding, while others do the same. Eventually it will reach a point where individual projects are considered complete, and integration of them can begin. Trying to keep things compatible while new versions are being released constantly is like bailing water from a sunken boat; you can't keep up.

We don't even know if this is the final version yet.

[SteelViking]

What you fail to understand by reading is that I will never mod. I'm not a modder ok ? I would appreciate if you remeber this once and for all. Modders are for making mods. Users are for using their mods. This is how things work. And I would be glad if you stop accusing me for wanting good to become better. But your silly remarks and offers does not fit the subject nor the title of the thread.

I don't mean to be rude, and I don't mean to offend you. But, this statement is absolutely insane.

Modders are for making mods? What are we, some kind of slaves? Plus, I don't appreciate Sailor Steve's statements being called silly since what he says is right on the mark if you ask me.

lol - just - lol.


You got the right idea, I suppose the best reaction would be humor.

[sergei]

Modders are for making mods. Users are for using their mods.

http://img842.imageshack.us/img842/5541/homerfacepalm.jpg


Modders are for making mods? What are we, some kind of slaves?

Grown in a lab for this very purpose, perhaps?
Or constructed maybe, like Cylons.
Are you a Cylon SteelViking?

[GMU]

You're not making any friends here. :hmm2:

We'll leave the difference, or similarity, between stating "I'm not a modder" and "I can't be bothered to learn" out of it, but that kind of excludes you from making any demands, or even voicing these kinds of expectations.


At any rate, we should see more cooperation as the game matures. Everyone is starting off with smaller projects, building upon them and expanding, while others do the same. Eventually it will reach a point where individual projects are considered complete, and integration of them can begin. Trying to keep things compatible while new versions are being released constantly is like bailing water from a sunken boat; you can't keep up.

We don't even know if this is the final version yet.

I'm also expecting to see more cooperation between moders soon. But actually I'm not demanding to make me a mod or make them compatible as for me only. Don;t know how such interpretation got famous around here.. But if a raise of a question about compatibilities is to be considered as a demand then close this thread and hide it. And pls somebody liberate ppl from thoughts that wanting a bit more than it is will leave them with nothing..

[GMU]

I don't mean to be rude, and I don't mean to offend you. But, this statement is absolutely insane.

Modders are for making mods? What are we, some kind of slaves? Plus, I don't appreciate Sailor Steve's statements being called silly since what he says is right on the mark if you ask me.




You got the right idea, I suppose the best reaction would be humor.

Wow Bingo, who still didn't knew that modders are for making mods please be aware. IT REALY IS A TRUE YA KNOW :)

[SteelViking]

Grown in a lab for this very purpose, perhaps?
Or constructed maybe, like Cylons.
Are you a Cylon SteelViking?

Darn, you figured out my secret:har:

[SteelViking]

Wow Bingo, who still didn't knew that modders are for making mods please be aware. IT REALY IS A TRUE YA KNOW :)

This is the only reaction I can possibly muster at this point:
:nope::haha::har::rotfl2::doh:

[GMU]

This is the only reaction I can possibly muster at this point:
:nope::haha::har::rotfl2::doh:

Suffering from emotion disorder ? :)

[SteelViking]

Suffering from emotion disorder ? :)

:har: Not yet, but it's early still, I may develop something.

[GMU]

:har: Not yet, but it's early still, I may develop something.

It's late where I'm at so if something looks not right pls bare with it somehow :)

[Nisgeis]

I'm also expecting to see more cooperation between moders soon. But actually I'm not demanding to make me a mod or make them compatible as for me only. Don;t know how such interpretation got famous around here.. But if a raise of a question about compatibilities is to be considered as a demand then close this thread and hide it. And pls somebody liberate ppl from thoughts that wanting a bit more than it is will leave them with nothing..

I think it's more a case of your phrasing of the statements that makes it sound like a demand. For example, 'I'm expecting to see more cooperation' sounds a bit like you are demanding it. If you'd said 'What I'd like to see is more cooperation', or even 'I'm hoping to see more cooperation' it would sounded softer.

You just came over as a little direct, that's all and that can come accross as demanding.

[Harmsway!]

Listen all you modders. Stay in your place and don't come out until you finished our mod demands. If you ever want to see your love ones again you won't quit until your done. And forge us up some plates for $20 bills while your at it.

The Mod Mob.

[Sailor Steve]

I'm also expecting to see more cooperation between moders soon.
You...EXPECT? You say you aren't demanding that someone make you a specific mod, but you are demanding that people do things the way you say they should.

I'm not a modder either, in that I've not created one single mod. I've converted some files from one format to another so my favorite sound mod from SH2 could end up in SH3 and SH4, and I've collected a bunch of neat Loading Screens together and used someone else's program to group them all together, and I've called them mods. But I don't consider myself a modder.

But you know what? When I wanted certain SH3 mods to work together I asked - not demanded, but asked - if anyone could help me understand how to do that. You could do the same, or you could ask politely if any modder could make certain mods work together.

Instead you criticize the people who bust their asses for you and me for not doing it "right", by your standards. You ask if anyone "has the balls" to force modders to do it your way. Now you insist that you will never mod, as if that's something to brag about.

No, actually modders aren't "for" any purpose at all. They're people who do something they want to do, for their own reasons. If you're not willing to learn to do something yourself, you have no right whatever to insist that someone else do it the way you say they should.

But your silly remarks and offers does not fit the subject nor the title of the thread.
And your comments are not silly. They come across as arrogant and rude. As the old saying goes, "You'll catch a lot more flies with honey than with vinegar". You might get more cooperation if you learn to ask nicely rather than insult the very people you want help from.

[SteelViking]

^^^Thank you Sailor Steve for injecting some sanity back into this thread.:salute:

[GMU]

You...EXPECT? You say you aren't demanding that someone make you a specific mod, but you are demanding that people do things the way you say they should.

I'm not a modder either, in that I've not created one single mod. I've converted some files from one format to another so my favorite sound mod from SH2 could end up in SH3 and SH4, and I've collected a bunch of neat Loading Screens together and used someone else's program to group them all together, and I've called them mods. But I don't consider myself a modder.

But you know what? When I wanted certain SH3 mods to work together I asked - not demanded, but asked - if anyone could help me understand how to do that. You could do the same, or you could ask politely if any modder could make certain mods work together.

Instead you criticize the people who bust their asses for you and me for not doing it "right", by your standards. You ask if anyone "has the balls" to force modders to do it your way. Now you insist that you will never mod, as if that's something to brag about.

No, actually modders aren't "for" any purpose at all. They're people who do something they want to do, for their own reasons. If you're not willing to learn to do something yourself, you have no right whatever to insist that someone else do it the way you say they should.


And your comments are not silly. They come across as arrogant and rude. As the old saying goes, "You'll catch a lot more flies with honey than with vinegar". You might get more cooperation if you learn to ask nicely rather than insult the very people you want help from.

So you say modders ar not for making mods ? :D Get some rest pal.. if I will be looking for a cooperation this isn't going to be you chosen lol

[SteelViking]

So you say modders ar not for making mods ? :D Get some rest pal.. if I will be looking for a cooperation this isn't going to be you chosen lol

Seriously? Seriously? :nope: What is your problem? Modders will make mods if they want to, and they won't if they don't want to. Being a modder is not a job, it is a hobby. And I am sick and tired of your jabs at people, especially at Sailor Steve who is simply trying to explain that you are going about this all wrong.

[GMU]

Seriously? Seriously? :nope: What is your problem? Modders will make mods if they want to, and they won't if they don't want to. Being a modder is not a job, it is a hobby. And I am sick and tired of your jabs at people, especially at Sailor Steve who is simply trying to explain that you are going about this all wrong.

Of course modding is a hobby powered by a free will of moders themselves. I didn;t ment to offend any moder by saying: "Moders are for making mods" With all respect but in some way it is so :) However my intentions of creating this thread was to pinpoint and discuss the problems that is rising undoubtedly. However some of you here like to twist this thing against me almost accusing me how dare to speak about it. That is not very nice thing to do.

[Nisgeis]

However some of you here like to twist this thing against me almost accusing me how dare to speak about it. That is not very nice thing to do.

I've posted about this already, but you haven't taken any notice of it, so to put it in a more direct way, that you like:

Change your tone, or get used to it. Your choice.

[GMU]

"From this day on noone is going to tell meWhat i should do or what i should notThat ain't the way,The way that it shall be fight it all the waySo let them vultures prey on each otherDon't let them spoil it you've come this farComing out like a force of natureThis is the shape of things to come...":D

[Placoderm]

"From this day on noone is going to tell meWhat i should do or what i should notThat ain't the way,The way that it shall be fight it all the waySo let them vultures prey on each otherDon't let them spoil it you've come this farComing out like a force of natureThis is the shape of things to come...":D

:o

Well...

:o

...alrighty then.

:o

[Fincuan]

E-type - This is the way

Has no relevance to this topic though.

[TDK1044]

"From this day on noone is going to tell meWhat i should do or what i should notThat ain't the way,The way that it shall be fight it all the waySo let them vultures prey on each otherDon't let them spoil it you've come this farComing out like a force of natureThis is the shape of things to come...":D

It's not the shape of things to come. You will simply be ignored. You've been a member here for about a month, and your arrogant, petulent attitute suggests that you may be better suited somewhere else.

This is a friendly, competetive community with a history dating back to 1998. It's also Neal's house. Either respect the way that things are done here, or leave.

[GMU]

It's not the shape of things to come. You will simply be ignored. You've been a member here for about a month, and your arrogant, petulent attitute suggests that you may be better suited somewhere else.

This is a friendly, competetive community with a history dating back to 1998. It's also Neal's house. Either respect the way that things are done here, or leave.

It's better to be ignored then to listen to various lectures about how one should behave. I do believe my behaviour is not violating any limits of global communications. Unless here at subsim.com it is an exceptional thing. This so called friendly community has some weird hostlities probably led by a blind solidarity to each other. Don;t talk about being friendly when you actually not being friendly yourself. And yes I prefer better to be ignored than to listen to some touchy jerks lectures. Just keep in mind that you also have to have balls to ignore somebody and keep yourself out of urge to write something stupid, that you believe to be right. Good luck yo :)

[Takeda Shingen]

http://www.forks.ca/squirrel-gray.jpg

Let's all take it back a few notches. Oh, and GMU, please resize your signature. No larger than 120 high by 400 wide and 100 KB. Thanks.

The Management

[GMU]

E-type - This is the way

Has no relevance to this topic though.

As it is revealed. It has a clear relevance to subtopic of this thread. As you can see folks here are keen to bull**** most of the time in my thread, only few replied in decent manner AND to the topic. I may be only a month in here as a member but I was lucky to notice at least part of this inflammatory community that calls itslef friendly has some serious bugs init. :D

[aergistal]

Sorry for the off-topic, but what's the squirrel's story? I'm too new and I missed the reference.

[GMU]

http://www.forks.ca/squirrel-gray.jpg

Let's all take it back a few notches. Oh, and GMU, please resize your signature. No larger than 120 high by 400 wide and 100 KB. Thanks.

The Management

I'm not sure how should I resize the pic ?

[Takeda Shingen]

Sorry for the off-topic, but what's the squirrel's story? I'm too new and I missed the reference.

It is a reference to an old joke on SubSim. Long story made short; it is a nice way of stating that thread lock is imminent.

I'm not sure how should I resize the pic ?

You'll have to save it to your hard drive and use a picture editor, then upload it to your whatever server you use for your forum graphics. If you don't use one, as I don't, then you can try to find one that is small but as is, it is too large.

[BIGREG]

Mourir pour des idées, l'idée est excellente
Moi j'ai failli mourir de ne l'avoir pas eu

Car tous ceux qui l'avaient, multitude accablante
En hurlant à la mort me sont tombés dessus

Ils ont su me convaincre et ma muse insolente
Abjurant ses erreurs, se rallie à leur foi
Avec un soupçon de réserve toutefois
Mourrons pour des idées, d'accord, mais de mort lente,
D'accord, mais de mort lente

Jugeant qu'il n'y a pas péril en la demeure
Allons vers l'autre monde en flânant en chemin

Car, à forcer l'allure, il arrive qu'on meure
Pour des idées n'ayant plus cours le lendemain

Or, s'il est une chose amère, désolante
En rendant l'âme à Dieu c'est bien de constater
Qu'on a fait fausse route, qu'on s'est trompé d'idée
Mourrons pour des idées, d'accord, mais de mort lente
D'accord, mais de mort lente

Les saint jean bouche d'or qui prêchent le martyre
Le plus souvent, d'ailleurs, s'attardent ici-bas

Mourir pour des idées, c'est le cas de le dire
C'est leur raison de vivre, ils ne s'en privent pas
Dans presque tous les camps on en voit qui supplantent
Bientôt Mathusalem dans la longévité

J'en conclus qu'ils doivent se dire, en aparté
"Mourrons pour des idées, d'accord, mais de mort lente
D'accord, mais de mort lente

Des idées réclamant le fameux sacrifice
Les sectes de tout poil en offrent des séquelles
Et la question se pose aux victimes novices

Mourir pour des idées, c'est bien beau mais lesquelles ?
Et comme toutes sont entre elles ressemblantes
Quand il les voit venir, avec leur gros drapeau
Le sage, en hésitant, tourne autour du tombeau

Mourrons pour des idées, d'accord, mais de mort lente
D'accord, mais de mort lente
Encore s'il suffisait de quelques hécatombes
Pour qu'enfin tout changeât, qu'enfin tout s'arrangeât

Depuis tant de "grands soirs" que tant de têtes tombent
Au paradis sur terre on y serait déjà
Mais l'âge d'or sans cesse est remis aux calendes
Les dieux ont toujours soif, n'en ont jamais assez

Et c'est la mort, la mort toujours recommencée
Mourrons pour des idées, d'accord, mais de mort lente
D'accord, mais de mort lente

O vous, les boutefeux, ô vous les bons apôtres
Mourez donc les premiers, nous vous cédons le pas
Mais de grâce, morbleu! laissez vivre les autres

La vie est à peu près leur seul luxe ici bas
Car, enfin, la Camarde est assez vigilante
Elle n'a pas besoin qu'on lui tienne la faux
Plus de danse macabre autour des échafauds

Mourrons pour des idées, d'accord, mais de mort lente
D'accord, mais de mort lente



Georges BRASSENS

[TDK1044]

I'm not sure how should I resize the pic ?

Demand that one of the modders creates a squirrel resizing mod for you......sorry Takeda, I couldn't resit it. :)

[GMU]

Demand that one of the modders creates a squirrel resizing mod for you......sorry Takeda, I couldn't resit it. :)

What a briliant idea.. :) Did you actualy figured this out by yourself ? :D

[Arclight]

Ah, see, that's just offensive. No need for that.

Maybe just let this thread rest. Here's one on the subject, perhaps you can add something constructive: http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=172352&page=2

[SteelViking]

Maybe just let this thread rest.

I am gonna take that advice. Everything that needed to be said has been said, whether or not it was understood, or accepted, I am not so sure.

I wish you no ill GMU:salute:

[TDK1044]

What a briliant idea.. :) Did you actualy figured this out by yourself ? :D

Yes. Just after I learned how to spell the words brilliant and actually. Oh, and take the letter d off the word figured and your second sentence will be grammatically correct and will actually make sense.

If you are going to write ignorant posts, at least punctuate and spell correctly.

[Takeda Shingen]

OP has been keelhauled. Closed.

The Management