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Skybird

07-14-10, 10:53 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=twuScTcDP_Q

I have read two German essays about this movie now, which really made me curious. It seems to be a deep-layered movie that puts content and depth over looks. Kubrick and 2001 got mentioned, and any movie capable to take on these two must be a good movie indeed. So the question is: is it good enough indeed? Who has seen it?

Weiss Pinguin

07-14-10, 10:56 AM

Is this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/) the moon you're talking about? (can't view youtube on this computer)

If so, then yeah I saw it on Netflix a while back, definitely an interesting movie. Quiet, and there were some bits that didn't go as I expected (which is nice is this case). I'd saw it was worth a rent :yep:

(Also the music is pretty good)

Snestorm

07-14-10, 10:58 AM

Youtube is having server problems today.

I hope they get it fixed.

Skybird

07-14-10, 11:01 AM

Youtube is having server problems today.

I hope they get it fixed.
Sorry to hear that, I had massive lags with them yesterday, but today they seem to run fine.

Skybird

07-14-10, 11:02 AM

Is this (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1182345/) the moon you're talking about?
Yes.

mookiemookie

07-14-10, 11:15 AM

For what it's worth, my girlfriend and I both enjoyed it very much. Definitely out of the ordinary, and definitely very entertaining.

August

07-14-10, 11:15 AM

Very good movie. The plot is very engaging and it is well acted.

Skybird

07-14-10, 11:22 AM

So this will become the first movie ever that I watched because August recommended it. :88) This day will be remembered.

Betonov

07-14-10, 11:24 AM

loved the movie. no standard hollywood BS that they are used to including these days. and marketing was very well made, I had no idea what the ending would be (not seen the trailer, seen all situation)
PLUS, Kevin Spacey is in, enough reason for me to watch it

August

07-14-10, 11:27 AM

So this will become the first movie ever that I watched because August recommended it. :88) This day will be remembered.

Does that mean i'm finally off your ignore list? I'll have to taunt you some more! :DL

Gerald

07-14-10, 11:38 AM

Youtube is having server problems today.

I hope they get it fixed.

Bad connect to my server,

Gerald

07-14-10, 11:42 AM

Skybird

07-14-10, 12:01 PM

Does that mean i'm finally off your ignore list? I'll have to taunt you some more! :DL
If after some longer time I cannot remember anymore what the final trigger was that made me putting somebody on that list, I think it is time to try a relaunch. ;)

aergistal

07-14-10, 12:40 PM

One of the greatest sci-fi movies I've seen in a long time :yeah:

Skybird

07-14-10, 12:42 PM

Story with that identity and cloning thing and artifical past sounded a bit like Phlip K. Dick to me. Which is no criticism but a big plus in my book. I'm a fan of Dick.

August

07-14-10, 01:04 PM

I'm a fan of Dick.

:DL

Weiss Pinguin

07-14-10, 01:12 PM

And you just got off his ignore list too :nope: :haha:

kiwi_2005

07-14-10, 01:12 PM

Moon is worth seeing.

frau kaleun

07-14-10, 01:22 PM

I'm a fan of Dick.

http://drunkenachura.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/dude-wait-what.jpg

Not that there's anything wrong with that. :O:

Skybird

07-14-10, 01:53 PM

What's is it now again?

See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_K._Dick

frau kaleun

07-14-10, 02:07 PM

What's is it now again?

See here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Philip_K._Dick

We know you meant the author, luv. But "dick" in English is a common slang term for a certain male body part.

If the guy's name were "Philip K. Schwanz," for instance, and I said "I'm a fan of der Schwanz..." :D

Jimbuna

07-14-10, 02:10 PM

I'm a fan of Dick.

Really!? :hmmm:

:har:

:03:

August

07-14-10, 02:12 PM

And you just got off his ignore list too :nope: :haha:

Sorry I just couldn't resist! :oops:

Skybird

07-14-10, 02:17 PM

We know you meant the author, luv. But "dick" in English is a common slang term for a certain male body part.

If the guy's name were "Philip K. Schwanz," for instance, and I said "I'm a fan of der Schwanz..." :D

I know. I also know about capital letters making a significant difference between names and nouns in English?!

August

07-14-10, 02:21 PM

I know. I also know about capital letters making a significant difference between names and nouns in English?!

Such distinctions while technically correct would tend to be ignored in such situations.

No offense intended though...

frau kaleun

07-14-10, 02:24 PM

I know. I also know about capital letters making a significant difference between names and nouns in English?!

Well, yeah, but - for the sake of stoopid humor, we will always overlook that.

Also people tend to "hear" things in their heads when they read, which negates the capitalization. And when it comes to that word we're all about nine years old. :O: There's just no way to read that sentence and have one's mind not go there with it.

So generally speaking, any time somebody wants to express his/her appreciation for Mr. Dick's body of work* in English, use of the author's full name is highly recommended. :sunny:

*Case in point: I can't read Mr. Dick's body of work and not giggle.

August

07-14-10, 02:46 PM

I once knew a guy named Richard Head. I just can't believe that his parents didn't understand the grade school hell they were consigning the poor kid to.

Platapus

07-14-10, 02:52 PM

Lewis Black does a comedy routine on that. He says there should be an office where baby names are registered and that office should have the authority to say "uh no".

He is one funny guy

Skybird

07-14-10, 02:59 PM

I need a quick distraction here, it seems. Let'S contemplate the nature of "oops" for a while:

http://www.tcnj.edu/~hofmann/humor/Misc/oops/oops.htm

August

07-14-10, 03:04 PM

I need a quick distraction here, it seems. Let'S contemplate the nature of "oops" for a while:

http://www.tcnj.edu/~hofmann/humor/Misc/oops/oops.htm (http://www.tcnj.edu/%7Ehofmann/humor/Misc/oops/oops.htm)

Some of those are obvious photoshops but still a pretty cool collection.

Jimbuna

07-14-10, 03:30 PM

Sky if it's any consolation to you, I went to senior school with a guy called Richard Balls but he was 6 1/2 foot tall so he managed to take the mickey taking in his stride :DL

Skybird

07-14-10, 03:53 PM

frau kaleun

07-14-10, 04:08 PM

:06:
Sometimes I hate this english language. But today it was 39°C outside again and when I jumped into the nearby Dortmund-Ems-channel I wanted to get out immediately before I got cooked, that warm the water was, so what do I expect on a day like this... :dead:

Just think of how much unexpected joy you brought to those of us toiling away with our noses firmly pressed to the grindstone!

I'm totally giving you major karma bonus points for it. :D

And it's not only non-native speakers who sometimes fall into the same trap: we have a sporting goods & "outdoor life" store here called "Dick's" (I think it may be a franchise).

A few years ago I was trying to replace some worn out hiking boots I had, they're my preferred footwear when the winter weather here gets really bad. And I was telling my best friend and then coworker about all the places I'd been to looking for a new pair, and still hadn't found anything I liked, blah blah whine blah.

I stopped to take a breath mid-whine and she asked, "Have you tried Dick's?"

There was a long silence during which I thought to myself: what on earth does that have to do with hiking boots? And then she realized what she'd said and we laughed and laughed and laughed.

The question still pops up* occasionally in our conversations, as an all-purpose response to any sort of prolonged complaining about not being happy with something or other.

*<snicker>

Skybird

07-14-10, 04:19 PM

conus00

07-14-10, 04:42 PM

I had a friend way back and her last name was Bell. She got married and took her husband's last name: Holder. When she got pregnant and found out that it was gonna be a son she REALLY wanted name her son Richard.

Moral of the story: think things through. :D
Back on subject...

onelifecrisis

07-14-10, 08:00 PM

I just finished watching the movie, and I can't say I liked it.

First problem: it suffers from a really bad case of plot over character believability. You know when a plot device requires a character to do something stupid (like the gang splitting up and going off in different directions in a horror) or not do something obvious (like ask a really obvious question)? Well this movie was full of such moments from start to finish - and I mean literally start to finish.

Second problem: the start of the movie presents a mystery... which is never explained! It's just completely ignored for the rest of the film, like it never happened in the first place.

*SPOILER START*
I refer to the vision of a dark-haired woman, first in the base, then outside the space buggy. This vision causes the driver to crash the space buggy which ultimately breaks the cycle. The robot says to the corporation that "the circumstances of the crash are very strange" or something to that effect. So, who was this girl? Why did Sam have a vision of her? Why did none of the other Sams have visions of her? Not only is this mystery not answered, it's not even mentioned for the rest of the film! :damn:
*SPOILER END*

Third problem: the pace is unbearably slow. It's like they had 15 minutes of material and stretched it out for 90 minutes. The whole story could actually be told, without much summarising, in 15 seconds flat.

Baaaad film. :nope:

August

07-14-10, 08:15 PM

My highlight performance so far was when some years ago I explained the temporary absence of Avon Lady back then with that she probably was "breeding something" - a linear translation from a German phrase that means to brood about some idea or thought. :D

Hey at least a German head of state has never stood in front of a few thousand Americans and declare himself to be an ice cream sandwich! :DL

frau kaleun

07-14-10, 08:28 PM

Hey at least a German head of state has never stood in front of a few thousand Americans and declare himself to be an ice cream sandwich! :DL

I was always under the impression that "Berliner" was more like a jelly donut.

Please tell me this is true, as I have a sound byte permanently burned into my brain of JFK's voice saying "I am a jelly donut" and it cracks me up every time I play it back.

And yes I am easily amused.

August

07-14-10, 08:34 PM

I was always under the impression that "Berliner" was more like a jelly donut.

Please tell me this is true, as I have a sound byte permanently burned into my brain of JFK's voice saying "I am a jelly donut" and it cracks me up every time I play it back.

And yes I am easily amused.

Eh, ice cream or jelly donut, it was something sticky and sweet. :DL

Platapus

07-14-10, 08:57 PM

Third problem: the pace is unbearably slow. It's like they had 15 minutes of material and stretched it out for 90 minutes.

that is my major complaint about many of the movies coming out of Hollywood. Except that these days there are few 90 minute movies, they stretch it out to 2 or 2 1/2 hours of stuff that really only needed 30 minutes.... or less.

Sailor Steve

07-14-10, 09:21 PM

Just think of how much unexpected joy you brought to those of us toiling away with our noses firmly pressed to the grindstone!
Keep your nose to the grindstone, your shoulder to the wheel and both feet planted firmly on the ground.

Now let's see you get any work done in that position.

August

07-14-10, 09:30 PM

krashkart

07-14-10, 10:12 PM

The post airplane crash part of Tom Hanks movie Castaway was like that too. It'd be impossible to generate the pace of a move like "Die Hard" in that type of lonely static setting.

I could see John McClaine being chased around by a pack of hungry island rats. :yep:

Skybird

07-15-10, 03:52 AM

I was always under the impression that "Berliner" was more like a jelly donut.

Please tell me this is true, as I have a sound byte permanently burned into my brain of JFK's voice saying "I am a jelly donut" and it cracks me up every time I play it back.

A "Berliner" (sometimes also named "Pfannkuchen", especially in Berlin) is something like a donut, yes, just without a hole in the middle, but instead some marmelade. Omlettes in style of a pancake we also call Pfannkuchen.

onelifecrisis

07-15-10, 05:47 AM

I think a faster pace would have been noticeably out of place given the movies main premise.Besides it's tough to have a fast pace in a movie with only one character.

The post airplane crash part of Tom Hanks movie Castaway was like that too. It'd be impossible to generate the pace of a move like "Die Hard" in that type of lonely static setting.

*SPOILER ALERT*
An example:
You wake up, and see yourself standing there, along with the robot. Do you
a) ask the person, who looks like you, who they are
b) ask the robot what is going on
c) get up, ignore the clone, waste some time wandering around the ship, maybe working on your model or tending your plants, not talking to the robot or the clone, not asking any questions or developing the plot or characters in any way at all.

August

07-15-10, 07:17 AM

*SPOILER ALERT*
An example:
You wake up, and see yourself standing there, along with the robot. Do you
a) ask the person, who looks like you, who they are
b) ask the robot what is going on
c) get up, ignore the clone, waste some time wandering around the ship, maybe working on your model or tending your plants, not talking to the robot or the clone, not asking any questions or developing the plot or characters in any way at all.

C.

It's called denial and no I don't mean that river in Egypt.

After all, if I had been stuck on a space station, alone, for years and I saw *myself* standing there i might indeed be a bit reluctant to believe my eyes.

onelifecrisis

07-15-10, 07:22 AM

C.

It's called denial and no I don't mean that river in Egypt.

After all, if I had been stuck on a space station, alone, for years and I saw *myself* standing there i might indeed be a bit reluctant to believe my eyes.

If you say so. Either way, C doesn't move anything forward. IMO the film had very little to say on the subject of cloning and humanity so it just spent 90 minutes dawdling. If they'd had more material, but wanted to stick with the denial thing, then they could have cut out the dawdling with a scene where one clone says to the other "you've been ignoring me for 2 days" or whatever. But they didn't, so they didn't. And that's just one example - the whole film is full of such dawdling.

Weiss Pinguin

07-15-10, 08:32 AM

C.

It's called denial and no I don't mean that river in Egypt.

After all, if I had been stuck on a space station, alone, for years and I saw *myself* standing there i might indeed be a bit reluctant to believe my eyes.
That's my thought. Personally that's one of the parts that I liked trying to figure out: is he crazy, or is there really someone else on the station?

Also, MORE SPOILERS ahead:
I refer to the vision of a dark-haired woman, first in the base, then outside the space buggy. This vision causes the driver to crash the space buggy which ultimately breaks the cycle. The robot says to the corporation that "the circumstances of the crash are very strange" or something to that effect. So, who was this girl? Why did Sam have a vision of her? Why did none of the other Sams have visions of her? Not only is this mystery not answered, it's not even mentioned for the rest of the film!
Been a while since I saw it so I may be fuzzy on some things, but IIRC that was a hallucination of his (their?) daughter, when he makes the phone call later you can see it's the same girl.

Or at least I'm pretty sure that's how it went...

As I said, a slow, quiet movie, not for everyone ;)

onelifecrisis

07-15-10, 08:41 AM

That's my thought. Personally that's one of the parts that I liked trying to figure out: is he crazy, or is there really someone else on the station?

Also, MORE SPOILERS ahead:

Been a while since I saw it so I may be fuzzy on some things, but IIRC that was a hallucination of his (their?) daughter, when he makes the phone call later you can see it's the same girl.

Or at least I'm pretty sure that's how it went...

As I said, a slow, quiet movie, not for everyone ;)

I also thought it might have been his daughter, though I didn't bother rewinding to check, but that still doesn't explain the mystery of why he had a vision of her. It's just a really poor plot device. Something else could have broken the cycle much more believably - some unpredictable circumstance like a system failure or something - but instead we have the first psychic clone. If it were me I'd have woken up the other clones because maybe some of those could have predicted the future or cast spells.

frau kaleun

07-15-10, 08:49 AM

A "Berliner" (sometimes also named "Pfannkuchen", especially in Berlin) is something like a donut, yes, just without a hole in the middle, but instead some marmelade. Omlettes in style of a pancake we also call Pfannkuchen.

Well that would work, then, because what we call a jelly donut hereabouts doesn't have a hole in the middle either, not in the sense of being a "ring."

It's just a roundish pastry with a jam/jelly type fruit filling.

Aaaaaaaand now I want pastry. :D

Actually, having googled Pfannkuchen, some of the more pancake-y ones look like something I had at this diner in Chicago. They made a fruit pancake that was not cooked on the stovetop/griddle, they would pour the batter into a shallow round baking pan and bake it. The fruit topping that went in the center of the pancake would end up more like a baked pie filling and you could order all different kinds of fresh fruit for it. Plus, the finished product would be about the size of a fruit pie, bigger around than the average dinner plate, although not as deep as a proper pie of course. Man was it good.