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SteamWake

07-09-10, 08:59 AM

Here you go a non political topic... happy now :D

An unidentified flying object (UFO) disrupted air traffic over Zhejiang's provincial capital Hangzhou late on Wednesday, the municipal government said on Thursday.

Xiaoshan Airport was closed after the UFO was detected at around 9 pm, and some flights were rerouted to airports in the cities of Ningbo and Wuxi , said an airport spokesman, who declined to be named.

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90782/90872/7058628.html

Oberon

07-09-10, 09:00 AM

Very. Thank you :salute:

Task Force

07-09-10, 09:23 AM

Naa, thats just Goring after he tryed to start the german space program... He still orbits the earth!

(lolwaffe thing)

aergistal

07-09-10, 11:28 AM

"An unidentified flying object (UFO) disrupted air traffic over Zhejiang's provincial capital Hangzhou late on Wednesday, the municipal government said on Thursday."

Whoa, so thats where my Mk245 torpedo went :o

Jimbuna

07-09-10, 11:32 AM

A source with knowledge of the matter, however, told China Daily on Thursday that authorities had learned what the UFO was after an investigation.

But it was not the proper time to publicly disclose the information because there was a military connection, he said, adding that an official explanation is expected to be given on Friday.

It should be interesting to see what mumbo jumbo they will tell the population :hmmm:

SteamWake

07-09-10, 12:13 PM

It should be interesting to see what mumbo jumbo they will tell the population :hmmm:

Theres already scuttlebutt out there that the americans are behind it somehow.

Remember this?

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90782/7054799.html

Stealth Hunter

07-09-10, 12:17 PM

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/mediafile/201007/09/P201007090755561564718782.jpg

That is probably one of the very best pictures of a UFO I have ever seen in my entire life. It's as good if not better than the footage captured by MIGs in the Soviet Union scrambled to intercept one.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4468185100897567649#

onelifecrisis

07-09-10, 12:42 PM

Looks Mexican to me.

SteamWake

07-09-10, 12:49 PM

Yea I dident want to mention the photo because of course it will be disputed as 'shopped'.

Platapus

07-09-10, 12:57 PM

Things that make you go hmmmm :hmmm:

Gerald

07-09-10, 01:01 PM

Theres already scuttlebutt out there that the americans are behind it somehow.

Remember this?

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/90001/90782/7054799.html

After what I read,even if there was, "real Aliens" so complain they always to other country in self defense, or the hard despotic control,are just a cover operation,

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aergistal

07-09-10, 01:05 PM

It looks like Rama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendezvous_with_Rama). That was the first thing I thought after seeing the video.

krashkart

07-09-10, 01:06 PM

I'm thinking a missile test went awry somehow. :hmmm:

AVGWarhawk

07-09-10, 01:11 PM

It's George Bush's fault. :DL

TLAM Strike

07-09-10, 01:14 PM

It looks like Rama (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rendezvous_with_Rama).

Or it could be the "Whale Probe"...
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1714/800pxwhaleprobe.th.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/i/800pxwhaleprobe.jpg/)

Oberon

07-09-10, 01:24 PM

Or it could be the "Whale Probe"...
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/1714/800pxwhaleprobe.th.jpg (http://img210.imageshack.us/i/800pxwhaleprobe.jpg/)

Uh oh...

http://www.collider.com/wp-content/image-base/Movies/S/Star_Trek_Original_Movies/Movie_Images/STAR%20TREK%20IV%20THE%20VOYAGE%20HOME.jpg
"Hello Computer..."

Sailor Steve

07-09-10, 01:26 PM

I'm thinking a missile test went awry somehow. :hmmm:
No smoke trail. And witnesses said it was "hovering".

Who knows?

Jimbuna

07-09-10, 03:57 PM

Like I said...could yet be a humorous explanation/porky from the Chinese Authorities yet awaiting us :DL

SteamWake

07-09-10, 04:36 PM

A digitally enhanced high resolution image has been leaked !!!

http://i259.photobucket.com/albums/hh312/UlteriorModem/bigboy.jpg

Stealth Hunter

07-09-10, 05:37 PM

The secretary general of some astronomy society in China says that it is, in fact, debris from an intercontinental United States missile... which doesn't explain why it was hovering, why no debris have been recovered, why it was necessary to shut down the airport for several hours, why it was detected on radar as a single object, OR more importantly WHY it was even being launched... or how the hell an astronomer managed to get his hands on military-privy information.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/international/ufo-china-has-military-connection-official-764

It was later identified as debris from an intercontinental missile launched by the US, Song Huagang, secretary general of the Xinjiang Astronomy Society said.

I call bull****.

krashkart

07-09-10, 05:56 PM

The secretary general of some astronomy society in China says that it is, in fact, debris from an intercontinental United States missile... which doesn't explain why it was hovering, why no debris have been recovered, why it was necessary to shut down the airport for several hours, why it was detected on radar as a single object, OR more importantly WHY it was even being launched... or how the hell an astronomer managed to get his hands on military-privy information.

http://www.deccanchronicle.com/international/ufo-china-has-military-connection-official-764

I call bull****.

"Hate America! Hate America! Hate America!" Typical monkey-speak. :nope:

onelifecrisis

07-09-10, 06:04 PM

:timeout: WTF krashkart? How did you get "Hate America!" from that article? :hmmm:

heartc

07-09-10, 06:09 PM

It's as good if not better than the footage captured by MIGs in the Soviet Union scrambled to intercept one.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4468185100897567649#

This story - at least as presented in the video - doesn't hold water. The in-cockpit shots are clearly from the backseat of an F-15D, or maybe an F-15E, and not of any MiG whatsoever. The "cigar" shaped object is probably an airliner, tanker, target drone, or what have you. Also, the MiG-21s taking of in the beginning of the video is a quite familiar scene to me, I've seen it often over the years in different documentaries.
So, while there easily might have been an incident where Soviet MiGs intercepted a UFO, the above video doesn't show any of this at all.

For me, it's a bit ironic that this topic is coming up now, because I recently got into this UFO thing a bit, and a bit more in earnest, out of curiosity. In the last two years or so there have been some good shows that I was now watching on youtube and which are making some good points and / or do have some credible witnesses / material (e.g. Air Force people, or actual radio transmissions of some incidents etc). I'm especially intrigued by the idea of "Ancient Aliens / Astronauts" theories - that Aliens might have been visiting some of the ancient civilizations etc. Them ancient people building walls with 20 ton stones - uhm, did they? Or how could they cut into solid rocks / granite so well and accurate that we would have a hard time to reproduce the same kind of accuracy with today's tools and technics etc.

I've yet to see some definite proof, but I figure, even if it's all a hoax or can be explained, it made for some good entertainment nonetheless. ;)

onelifecrisis

07-09-10, 06:16 PM

Them ancient people building walls with 20 ton stones - uhm, did they? Or how could they cut into solid rocks / granite so well and accurate that we would have a hard time to reproduce the same kind of accuracy with today's tools and technics etc.

That's piqued my curiosity. I don't suppose you have links for some of that stuff about cutting up rocks?

heartc

07-09-10, 06:25 PM

That's piqued my curiosity. I don't suppose you have links for some of that stuff about cutting up rocks?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKjUfoIoPas

Check this link out. It is the first of a 5 (or 4?) part series on "Ancient Aliens", each part cut up in 9 clips or so.

The later parts of the series seem to go more and more out there and get hard to swallow, but especially this first episode ("Ancient Aliens - The Evidence") is quite interesting I think.

Another interesting video was an episode of "UFO Hunters", with radio transmissions of an incident:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQhCGddMBEc

Or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xK3O82YWNpw

Enjoy. If nothing else, it's good fun to watch. Watch out for the Bill guy of UFO hunters though (the one with the sun glasses). He's pretty far out there. ;)

onelifecrisis

07-09-10, 06:38 PM

Thanks! :)

krashkart

07-09-10, 06:43 PM

:timeout: WTF krashkart? How did you get "Hate America!" from that article? :hmmm:

American missile over China? Smacks of brainwashing to me. :-?

To each his own. I resume lurkitude.

EDIT - I took 'missile' from the post, not the article. My bad.

onelifecrisis

07-09-10, 06:54 PM

Don't go lurking or I'll feel bad. I just thought you had grabbed the wrong end of the stick. :)

krashkart

07-09-10, 07:21 PM

Don't go lurking or I'll feel bad. I just thought you had grabbed the wrong end of the stick. :)

Don't feel bad, it's my nature to lurk around and drop a punchline somewhere in the mix. Usually anyway. I don't know what got me so upset. Maybe it's too much worry about things I cannot control. :DL

Anyway, I did grab the wrong end of the stick. Thank you for the heads up. :salute:

Stealth Hunter

07-09-10, 08:25 PM

The in-cockpit shots are clearly from the backseat of an F-15D, or maybe an F-15E, and not of any MiG whatsoever.

Well it's not an ACES II ejection seat that both the F-15D and F-15E used, as the bodies of the seats bear no resemblance to it, save for the

http://www.aircraftresourcecenter.com/AWA1/501-600/walk563_F-15J_Kerr/13.jpg
http://www.ejectionsite.com/ejctpic/f15seat.gif
http://www.ejectionsite.com/anon1/F15ACESR.jpg
http://www.voodoo-world.cz/falcon/o/f16ejseat.jpg

It looks more to me like a Zvezda K-36D-3-5 LT trainer ejection seat, minus the coverings with the pitot tubes (the things sticking out of the sides) adjusted (they can be anywhere to a 45* angle). For those who don't know anything about them, they have three modes to measure air pressure differences to determine velocity, to select the manner of ejection in the MiG-21's selection system:

Mode 1: low altitude, low speed - Mode 1 is for ejections at speeds of less than 250 knots and altitudes of less than 15,000 feet. The drogue parachute doesn't deploy in mode 1.
Mode 2: low altitude, high speed - Mode 2 is for ejections at speeds of more than 250 knots and altitudes of less than 15,000 feet.
Mode 3: high altitude, any speed - Mode 3 is selected for any ejection at an altitude greater than 15,000 feet.

There's also one outside of the cockpit mounted on the forward fuselage on some models. This pic is of a typical 36D-3-5.

http://i27.tinypic.com/iop1kg.jpg

The "cigar" shaped object is probably an airliner, tanker, target drone, or what have you.

How was it able to accelerate so quickly, nevermind stay aloft with no visible engines or wings?

Also, the MiG-21s taking of in the beginning of the video is a quite familiar scene to me, I've seen it often over the years in different documentaries.

First time I'd seen it.

heartc

07-09-10, 09:06 PM

With your pictures, you're looking at the front of the seat, not the rear, like in the video.

http://www.cockpits.net/website/images/F-15Ev3.0/screenshot13.jpg

The above is admittedly from a flightsim (F4), but is accurate. Actually, it's a photo copy.

http://vishnufafat.files.wordpress.com/2008/07/3-f15-eagle.jpg

The above is the real thing.

And this is what is in the video. Notice the 3 "circles" visible on the back of the seat. Notice the analog compass on the front cockpit frame, when looking just past the right side of the front seat, etc.
It is NOT a MiG cockpit in any way, shape or form. It is the backseat of an F-15 D or E. Trust me, I've been into aviation since 15 years now.

Also, the MiGs that are taking of in the beginning of the video are single seat MiG-21. Not only is that visibly so, but double seat MiG-21 are pretty rare, since they are trainers and they would not scramble on a live intercept mission. Also, it is pretty clear to see that the camera / picture quality is totally different and from a different time period than the cockpit shots.

In addition, take a step back and ask yourself how the hell would they just happen to have a camera man at the runway to film that *scramble* flight taking of, and just happen to have fancy cameras on the planes that look backward etc? These are very obviously archive shots from a prepared and directed documentary. Probably for military purposes originally (training, aircraft familiarization / presentation, etc.) and then later they were put into all kinds of documentaries. I've seen those scenes many times, as I said.

To your other points: How the hell do they come to those hilarious conclusions re speeds and accelerations?? The F-15 is in a right hand turn. The "Object" - let's call it plane, because it damn sure looks like one - is viewed from its side, that's why you can't make out the wings. It is traveling at a roughly 90° course to the F-15, i.e. across the nose of the F15, i.e. the F-15 is about to cross its course while passing behind it, while it keeps moving forward on its own course and out of view. I actually don't see any actual acceleration going on at all. If anything, the vid is somewhat in slow motion, and can easily be sped up and down etc. It's also damn difficult to suggest any range to the object from the blurry video - especially if you *do* assume it is not a tanker / airline type plane, thus do not know its dimensions, how the hell are you measuring the range to it from that video so that you can conclude the speed at which it is moving?

In short: The video is a total hoax - or rather: The story as presented is a total hoax and the video clips have nothing to do with it and there's nothing out of the ordinary to see in them. Of course you need to darken out the "witnesses" to make it look like they're in danger for talking, to give the whole thing more credibility lol.

Really, that's what I hate about the whole UFO phenomenon: There's so much crap out there, some done extremely poor like this one - at least to the trained eye - and some other done very well, that in the end it clouds what might be actual incidents and gives a bad rep to people who are trying to figure out what is behind them.

Castout

07-09-10, 09:24 PM

Looks Mexican to me.

Aye. Very.

http://e-biscuit.com/images/uploads/IllegalALIEN1.jpg

Now we know who supported the Mexican drug cartel :D

heartc

07-09-10, 09:40 PM

After looking at the video again, the "UFO" is in all probability not a tanker type aircraft but a towed or self propelled target drone, so the F15 part of the video is probably from an air combat exercise.

http://www.airaffairs.com.au/images/LRX_rushton_web.jpg

http://trsavunma.com/files/galeri/fuar/2009/idef/gun-1/img7065.jpg

http://www.meteorflight.com/waveplus/meteor.nsf/historic/target_towing.jpg

http://img229.imageshack.us/img229/5470/11988148a8703tv9005ei8.jpg

Case closed. ;)

Moeceefus

07-10-10, 11:07 AM

Seems like China is showing off some new tech in response to the US being more of a presence in the Pacific. It all just seems like posturing is all.

Sailor Steve

07-10-10, 01:31 PM

Aye. Very.

Now we know who supported the Mexican drug cartel :D
Back in the 1970s Robin Williams did a very funny episode of Mork & Mindy in which Mork hears that illegal aliens are being rounded up.

Need I say more?

TLAM Strike

07-10-10, 02:27 PM

The UFO from a different angle.

http://img651.imageshack.us/img651/971/article12933950a61dc6f0.jpg

informationdissemination.net thinks it maybe have been the Chinese Anti-Ship Ballistic Missile test promised as part of their current naval war games.

Platapus

07-10-10, 05:40 PM

The etymologist in me feels that a UFO could not be an alien space craft... for then it would not be "unidentified".

I see objects flying that I can't identify all the time. Simply because it is unidentified, does not mean that it can't be identified later. :D

SteamWake

07-10-10, 05:54 PM

Platapus

07-10-10, 05:58 PM

Those would be Pidgeons pooping upon thy head.

ewww Thanks a lot for identifying them. :):)

SteamWake

07-14-10, 02:27 PM

Video has surfaced.

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=51108

Platapus

07-14-10, 03:20 PM

Video has surfaced.

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=51108

Two stage rocket launch? Tough to tell from the video.

onelifecrisis

07-14-10, 03:31 PM

Video has surfaced.

http://www.i-am-bored.com/bored_link.cfm?link_id=51108

Wow. I've never seen anything like that. The part where it did... whatever it did... at 0:39 in the video was kindof awesome. :DL

heartc

07-14-10, 04:03 PM

This video has been removed due to terms of use violation.

Awesome.

(Are the aliens now claiming copyrights, too?)

onelifecrisis

07-14-10, 04:10 PM

Video removed!? Already? Ha! Very interesting, don't you think? :hmmm:

Let's hear those conspiracy theories! :yeah:

STEED

07-14-10, 04:36 PM

Anal Probing anyone? :har:

We come in peace, now drop your pants and let us fondle your ass. :haha:

SteamWake

07-14-10, 04:52 PM

onelifecrisis

07-14-10, 04:55 PM

Found it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9de44GEIPQw&feature=related

STEED

07-14-10, 04:57 PM

Look its simple, a Hun airship slipped though a time warp from 1917 and arrived July 7th 2010 and bombed China. ;)

heartc

07-14-10, 04:58 PM

Found the vid again here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ijct3zO1mM

Looks pretty much like a (two or more stage) rocket shot to me, viewed from long range.

The dust trail is so broad because while the sun is below the horizon, its rays are still going through the upper atmosphere, which makes any reflective object (or gasses) lit up by them look extremely bright and visible against the dark sky. You wouldn't see that kind of tail in daylight against a blue sky.

onelifecrisis

07-14-10, 05:02 PM

heartc

07-14-10, 05:11 PM

Meh serves me right for linking through IAB.. let me see if I can find another source.

Well it has offically been purged from the web as far as I can tell.

But here is a montage of photos.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgRCV7urwDM

Doesent look like a towed drone to me ;)

I hope you realize though that my towed drone example was semi off-topic, since it was in response to a totally unrelated (to the current Chinese "UFO") video put up by Stealth Hunter on page 1 or 2.

SteamWake

07-14-10, 05:19 PM

I hope you realize though that my towed drone example was semi off-topic, since it was in response to a totally unrelated (to the current Chinese "UFO") video put up by Stealth Hunter on page 1 or 2.

What you expect me to read the entire thread :haha:

I was being a little glib sorry if it came off as dismissive.

heartc

07-14-10, 05:30 PM

No worries. I just wanted it to be clear. What's with i-cred (http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=internet+cred) and all. ;) (Yeah, I looked that up just now, figuring such a word must exist by now lol)

TLAM Strike

07-14-10, 05:30 PM

:hmmm:

Around 33 seconds in to the video there appears to be its 1st stage separation. Also its trajectory looks quite low more like a arty rocket than a SCUD, I think they call that a Depressed Trajectory Shot when done with ballistic missiles.

Looks like the Chinese ASBM... :03:

Platapus

07-14-10, 05:46 PM

FROG?

TLAM Strike

07-14-10, 05:52 PM

FROG?
Brrrip...

Platapus

07-14-10, 06:08 PM

FROG - Free Rocket Over Ground

and example that is single stage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FROG-7

I don't know if anyone has made a two stage FROG

TLAM Strike

07-14-10, 06:58 PM

FROG - Free Rocket Over Ground

and example that is single stage http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FROG-7

I don't know if anyone has made a two stage FROG

Yea I know what a FROG is.

I was joking... "Brrrip" a sound a Frog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog) makes.

Platapus

07-14-10, 07:13 PM

Yea I know what a FROG is.

I was joking... "Brrrip" a sound a Frog (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frog) makes.

I would think that a FROG would make more a wooshing sound. :D