How many will buy SH5 if DRM is dropped?

[McBeck]

Very simple...only for the people who have not purchased SH5 yet!

[Thomen]

Very simple...only for the people who have not purchased SH5 yet!

Most likely, yes.

[danurve]

Mr ubisoft, tear down this wall. :ping:

[Bilge_Rat]

I voted NO....





...since I already own it, I don't need to buy it again....:ping:

[Sailor Steve]

Absolutely, without question. I bought SH4 while I was homeless, and didn't get to play it until several months later. I may end up hating SH5, and I may end up loving it. Probably somewhere in between, but I will definitely make that decision for myself, and I'll gladly support the effort, no matter what the outcome. :sunny:

[janh]

Can't say to be honest. Depends strongly on the modder scene here, whether they will turn SHV into a worthy successor to my supermodded SHIII. Unfortunately I don't have so much time to play, so I have to be very selective. At least in the near future this one will not end up on my desk. More likely I will reconsider in a year or so what the modding has added by then.

[janh]

I voted NO....
...since I already own it, I don't need to buy it again....:ping:

Dang, and the result of this poll just got poisoned... LOL

[danurve]

Very simple...only for the people who have not purchased SH5 yet!

I voted NO....

...since I already own it, I don't need to buy it again....:ping:

Wow, just wow .. :rotfl2:

[sharkbit]

I voted yes, but it depends more on when I have a computer to run it rather than DRM, although DRM does play a small factor in the decision.

:)

[Fincuan]

Very simple...only for the people who have not purchased SH5 yet!
I voted NO....
...since I already own it, I don't need to buy it again....:ping:

Not simple enough eh? :D

I still haven't changed my opinion, which is to buy it as soon as offline play is possible using an officially endorsed solution.

[krashkart]

I voted NO....





...since I already own it, I don't need to buy it again....:ping:

Bernard! :damn:

[SurfnSea]

Hmmm. Still thinking...haven't decided yet. On one hand I'd love it if DRM was gone, it's the biggest reason I will not buy it. On the other hand Ubi wants our money yet their actions show a great disrespect for those that support them with their money. A business does not need to be run like that to make a good profit and for that reason, even with no DRM, I have big reservations about buying a DRM-less SH5. On yet another hand (if I had one) I love sub sims. On yet even more hands I barely have time to enjoy my favorite SH4.

So hands down my choice is... eh...I'll come back and click my choice when I can figure out what it is.

[Méo]

This will surely be the most prudent, carefully and most planned 50$ spent ever! :DL;)

[IanC]

Hmmm. Still thinking...haven't decided yet. On one hand I'd love it if DRM was gone, it's the biggest reason I will not buy it. On the other hand Ubi wants our money yet their actions show a great disrespect for those that support them with their money. A business does not need to be run like that to make a good profit and for that reason, even with no DRM, I have big reservations about buying a DRM-less SH5. On yet another hand (if I had one) I love sub sims. On yet even more hands I barely have time to enjoy my favorite SH4.

So hands down my choice is... eh...I'll come back and click my choice when I can figure out what it is.

Yeah I'm thinking along those same lines. It's going to take more than just no DRM (the thing wasn't suppose to be there anyways), I guess I'll also need a big price drop. Either that or a miracle happens and Ubi decides to seriously patch it. If Ubi sends a couple more big patches our way, then I'll gladly buy it.

[FIREWALL]

I'm confused on which way to vote. I returned my copy to Bestbuy for a refund about a week after it was released. But... a couple of days ago while haveing some beers with the Manager of my local GameStop.

He was thirsty so we worked out a trade. A couple of pictures (@ $9.00 a pop) and I helped drink them for a new very dusty copy of SH5. :D

I played it patched and modded for the first time last night.

[Harmsway!]

I'm confused on which way to vote. I returned my copy to Bestbuy for a refund about a week after it was released. But... a couple of days ago while haveing some beers with the Manager of my local GameStop.

He was thirsty so we worked out a trade. A couple of pictures (@ $9.00 a pop) and I helped drink them for a new very dusty copy of SH5. :D

I played it patched and modded for the first time last night.

AND??

[Santini]

Absolutly, with no hesitation. The game looks gorgeous, and sounds tremendous.

However, the DRM has totally smothered the community, meaning that until (or if) it is removed, there really won't be the third party content that makes these games great

[Harmsway!]

Absolutely yes. I would have SH5 now if it wasn't for DRM. In fact I want it bad but right now all you get for the price is a promise.

[FIREWALL]

AND??


Haven't played it enough to give it a fair hearing.


I doubt anyone here will find it cheaper than this: $23.99 & Free Shipping @ Amazon.com

edit: Removed broken link. Look at my next post.

[Frumpkis]

Can't say to be honest. Depends strongly on the modder scene here, whether they will turn SHV into a worthy successor to my supermodded SHIII.

Yeah, same here. I haven't bought SH5 yet and couldn't answer the poll because it's not a simple issue of DRM or no DRM. I would probably buy the game right now if a major campaign re-write was available. I just don't think I could stand being ordered to go out and "sink 5 warships!"... I want a simulation, not an arcade game.

Also, there there are many good PC games and simulations out right now that I'm having fun with, and new ones on the horizon I'm looking forward to. A game has to be very good to be worth my money and investment of time. I don't want to spend hours "playing" and being frustrated at the same time. When it looks to me like SH5 has crossed that threshold, I'll pick it up.

[Santini]

Why doesn't amazon list the bugger anymore?

[GoldenRivet]

I voted NO....





...since I already own it, I don't need to buy it again....:ping:

sigh :nope:

what a maroooon :haha:

[FIREWALL]

Why doesn't amazon list the bugger anymore?

I just checked my link and it is broke now.

Went to Amazon and ALL SH games are currently UNAVAILABLE. :o WTF

[Sonarman]

Went to Amazon and ALL SH games are currently UNAVAILABLE. :o WTF

Yes thats weird, I just checked Assasins Creed & HAWX and it says the same (unavailable) on all formats either a glitch in the mighty Amazon system or a major fallout with Ubi?

UPDATE... just tried the Sims (from EA) and it also is down... looks like their entire games dept is currently screwed.

[FIREWALL]

Yes thats weird, I just checked Assasins Creed & HAWX and it says the same (unavailable) on all formats either a glitch in the mighty Amazon system or a major fallout with Ubi?

UPDATE... just tried the Sims (from EA) and it also is down... looks like their entire games dept is currently screwed.

Thx Sonarman. :salute: I thought I was all alone. Going :doh:

[Jimbuna]

I voted NO....





...since I already own it, I don't need to buy it again....:ping:

Tough decision eh?

:DL

[janh]

Yeah, same here. I haven't bought SH5 yet and couldn't answer the poll because it's not a simple issue of DRM or no DRM. I would probably buy the game right now if a major campaign re-write was available. I just don't think I could stand being ordered to go out and "sink 5 warships!"... I want a simulation, not an arcade game.

Also, there there are many good PC games and simulations out right now that I'm having fun with, and new ones on the horizon I'm looking forward to. A game has to be very good to be worth my money and investment of time. I don't want to spend hours "playing" and being frustrated at the same time. When it looks to me like SH5 has crossed that threshold, I'll pick it up.

Well, before release I also was very upset at the idea of this nonsense DRM scheme, something forced onto legal owners that is technically not required. But soon the quality of the product itself came to light, and it was obvious that the developers were pressed into or even agreed to push it out fast instead of completing it. The arcade stuff, the good concept of dynamical campaign badly executed with nonsense goals, the lack of the promised port interactivity and so much stuff incomplete, bugged, superficially working etc. Even without DRM I would rather think I gain more by spending my time with better games. SHV unfortunately had some very good design ideas, and enormous potential, and maybe if modders made it THEIR product (you couldn't possibly call that mods anymore), it could still be brought to fruition. But not now.

[Akula4745]

No DRM? Yes... absolutely... I would buy it.
I don't want Ubisoft to go out of business...
I just want them to start thinking a little more clearly.

[Sailor Steve]

I'm confused on which way to vote.
You shouldn't vote at all, since you already own it again.

You should vote no, since like Bilge_Rat you're not likely to buy it a third time.

You should vote yes, since you obviously would buy it if you hadn't already.

If you're not confused now you're worse off than I thought.
:rotfl2:

[FIREWALL]

You shouldn't vote at all, since you already own it again.

You should vote no, since like Bilge_Rat you're not likely to buy it a third time.

You should vote yes, since you obviously would buy it if you hadn't already.

If you're not confused now you're worse off than I thought.
:rotfl2:

Who's one first ? :DL

[Jimbuna]

You shouldn't vote at all, since you already own it again.

You should vote no, since like Bilge_Rat you're not likely to buy it a third time.

You should vote yes, since you obviously would buy it if you hadn't already.

If you're not confused now you're worse off than I thought.
:rotfl2:

LOL :DL

[Takeda Shingen]

No DRM? Yes... absolutely... I would buy it.
I don't want Ubisoft to go out of business...
I just want them to start thinking a little more clearly.

I doubt very much that SH5's sales figures will harm Ubisoft's bottom line in any meaningful way.

[Reece]

Even though it has problems I will buy it if DRM is dropped, I have SH2, 3, and 4 (with UBM), but at the moment I couldn't play 5 if I wanted to, so yes!:yep:
BTW Jim, have you got it? If not would you get it?:hmmm:

I doubt very much that SH5's sales figures will harm Ubisoft's bottom line in any meaningful way.But if all of their games have this type of DRM then overall it may make a huge difference.:yep:

[Sailor Steve]

Who's one first ? :DL
I don't know...

THIRD BASE!

[Reece]

I don't know...

THIRD BASE!But that's what He's asking, who's on first
:har: Love that skit!!:yep:

[Sailor Steve]

I should be more specific?

All I'm askin' is, what's the name of the guy on third base?

What's the name of the guy on second base.

I'm not askin' who's on second!

No, Who's on first!

I don't know!

THIRD BASE!




What skit? Never heard of it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZoaQYL8ylms&feature=related

[aergistal]

It's no for now. I'm waiting for the gold version, wich in Ubisoft terms translates to Gold Edition, or a major price drop. I don't like the idea of paying full price for betas. The game ain't going anywhere. With time it can only get better and cheaper.

[McBeck]

Thanks for voting guys :)

I still dont get why bilge rat voted.... :06:

[krashkart]

I still dont get why bilge rat voted.... :06:

Me neither. Maybe he jumped right in without looking. :DL

[Kefru]

No I dont think that I would. I have bought and played SH3 and 4 since they were released and have really enjoyed them with and without mods, but Silent Hunter 5 was a rushed poorly finished product with better graphics but appalling gameplay from what I have read.

Besides its the game has been out for months and I have not missed it. I would rather play great games like IL2 and Red Dead Redemption than waste my time with it.

[Moeceefus]

No I dont think that I would. I have bought and played SH3 and 4 since they were released and have really enjoyed them with and without mods, but Silent Hunter 5 was a rushed poorly finished product with better graphics but appalling gameplay from what I have read.

Besides its the game has been out for months and I have not missed it. I would rather play great games like IL2 and Red Dead Redemption than waste my time with it.


lol if you enjoyed 3 and 4 on release, then you would love 5.

[JScones]

First, I'll state that I own a copy of SH5 (thanks to Ubisoft), but I have not installed it.

Whether DRM is dropped makes no difference to me - I don't find DRM a life shattering issue (although I do empathise with those who can't play the game because of external influences outside of their control). Thus I voted "no", because it is not the deciding factor for me.

Now, if Ubisoft released some major "fix it" patches and an add-on or at least provided the ability to add extra U-boat types, years and so on (in other words, making the game as moddable as they claimed before release), well, then it will pique my interest. Otherwise, DRM could be dropped tomorrow, and I still would not install SH5.

[janh]

I doubt very much that SH5's sales figures will harm Ubisoft's bottom line in any meaningful way.

You're most probably correct, I wouldn't argue with that. Otherwise they wouldn't have pushed it out that early in the production cycle if they hadn't already decided that could win or loose anything with it. It would be nice to see the sales figures, though.

[janh]

No DRM? Yes... absolutely... I would buy it.
I don't want Ubisoft to go out of business...
I just want them to start thinking a little more clearly.

What did Chamberlain dream about Hitlers foreign politics after annexing Austria and Czechoslovakia? Ubisoft has a history, and a commitment to economic success, making sure the investments return most profit that will benefit stockholders. It's not a dedication to making games of any kind... After SHIV release you could predict how SHV would go...

[Jimbuna]

Me neither. Maybe he jumped right in without looking. :DL

:hmmm:

[TDK1044]

A few months ago I would have voted yes without hesitation, but in all honesty, without additional patches coming from the Publisher, I really can't see how this game can ever reach its potential.

Sure, the modders can do their usual excellent work, but for me it's a case of treating a symptom while the disease marches on.

So, my vote is no.

[msxyz]

A few months ago I would have voted yes without hesitation, but in all honesty, without additional patches coming from the Publisher, I really can't see how this game can ever reach its potential.

Sure, the modders can do their usual excellent work, but for me it's a case of treating a symptom while the disease marches on.

So, my vote is no.My position too.

IF the 'big brother style' DRM is dropped
IF Ubisoft is committed to release another patch
IF there's a big, professional MOD like GWX on the way

...then I might consider buying it. :hmmm:

[Bilge_Rat]

Thanks for voting guys :)

I still dont get why bilge rat voted.... :06:

I was seduced by the dark side of the force....:woot:

[WarlordATF]

I'd buy it if they dropped the DRM, but i'd probably spend more time trying to gut it and use the contents in SH4 so i'd still have my fleetboats.

[Iron Budokan]

No, I won't. I'm really not to interested in this game under any foreseeable circumstance. I have many other concerns about it, aside from the DRM.

[The Enigma]

Nope, not in it's current state.

A while ago I would have bought it when DRM was dropped.
But reading about all the issues and an uncertain future about new patches,
I'm holding my money in my pocket.

[Madox58]

I didn't buy my copy.
I got it with a Gift certificate to Amazon.

But if a version with no DRM,
patched beyound what we have now,
and proper instructions to the Tools were included?

I'd pull out my wallet.

[Reece]

I didn't buy my copy.
I got it with a Gift certificate to Amazon.

But if a version with no DRM,
patched beyound what we have now,
and proper instructions to the Tools were included?

I'd pull out my wallet.You're kidding! they actually supplied tools:o but no documentation on how to use them!:damn: That's like dangling a carrot in front of a mule!:doh: I suppose it's no worse that the game itself having no manual!:88)
The more I hear about SH5 the more I'm amazed at why UBI released it this way, they must have known what the outcome (backlash) would be!:oops::x

[Gezoes]

Even without DRM, I see lots and lots of things that would annoy me greatly, so nope. There are many obvious things lacking, wich can hardly be delaying factors in a subsim, they are essentials. No depth meter? That's an archeologist saying: "What? A shovel? We never used that, what do you mean?" I am beyond the point that I will install mods to fix those things.

Shame really, because I really love SH.

[Eightbit]

Even without DRM, I see lots and lots of things that would annoy me greatly, so nope. There are many obvious things lacking, wich can hardly be delaying factors in a subsim, they are essentials. No depth meter? That's an archeologist saying: "What? A shovel? We never used that, what do you mean?" I am beyond the point that I will install mods to fix those things.

Shame really, because I really love SH.

+1 remove drm, fix some more bugs and restore the missing features. I know its asking a lot. :(

[IanC]

+1 remove drm, fix some more bugs and restore the missing features. I know its asking a lot. :(

Sounds like you're never going to buy it then :lol:

[Sardaukar67]

I answered Yes.

But more I read this forum, less I think I buy it.

My suspension of belief is quite broken with things I read here, escorts losing you after diving below 50m, need to give special meals to improve morale etc. :stare:, stupid AI, unrealistic campaign system (really, how many U-Boat skippers sunk a carrier etc.)

[krashkart]

Good points. I'm a bit put off by the thought of some of those things as well. I don't recall which thread it was, but someone needed to sink five warships and a carrier to complete a mission objective. WTH? :06: Just how many torpedoes and advanced stealth technology was equipped on that U-boat?

I did vote yes, as if it matters. But coming from the older SH3 school of submarine warfare I'm starting to doubt that decision. Then again I don't know the power of the campaign editor (is there one in SH5?) and how much of the scripting can be changed. I'll still have to watch and think on it.

[Zoomer96]

I'd buy it if it had a Gato Class submarine on the cover!

[JBuford]

yes would buy it if the DRM is gone

[codmander]

not 1 cent over 10$ seems to be my theory 20$ currently :smug:

[Nisgeis]

Good points. I'm a bit put off by the thought of some of those things as well. I don't recall which thread it was, but someone needed to sink five warships and a carrier to complete a mission objective. WTH? :06: Just how many torpedoes and advanced stealth technology was equipped on that U-boat?

This one is repeatedly used to slam the game, but it's not true at all. You have mission objectives like 'patrol here' 'drop off this spy' or 'recon this harbour' and that is your mission, which you are free to ignore. There are objectives in the campaign, like tonnage amounts to sink, but they are not requirements, so you are free to ignore them as well if you want. You also have several months and quite a few patrols to try for them. You can still advance through the game, it just plays out differently.

[-Pv-]

Yes with minor qualifications.

I've been reading this forum carefully noting the problems and specifically, the ones that would bother me. In nearly every case there is a mod or learned playing technique to counter what would be for me a show-stopper. I think I could play this game without the DRM IF I was reasonably confident there was another patch in the making. I would use the time waiting for the patch to learn the game. DRM is a SHOW STOPPER. No mods or patches will suffice.

I've been happily playing SH4 with NO MODS. I only added 3-4 control keys for weather, tube doors and fuel range estimates. This is what I expect from a fully patched (not modded) game.

At this stage of release, there is TOO much dependence on experimental mods and there seems to be a consensus the Mediterranean campaign is a total waste of disk space. When a game's DESIGN frustrates me, I lose interest in the game no matter how slick the graphics.

I'll keep watching for the right set of conditions before I jump into the boat. My time is valuable. I expect a high level of entertainment for the investment and there are other games I play where the time is well spent.
-Pv-

[Frumpkis]

This one is repeatedly used to slam the game, but it's not true at all. You have mission objectives like 'patrol here' 'drop off this spy' or 'recon this harbour' and that is your mission, which you are free to ignore. There are objectives in the campaign, like tonnage amounts to sink, but they are not requirements, so you are free to ignore them as well if you want. You also have several months and quite a few patrols to try for them. You can still advance through the game, it just plays out differently.

Can you (or others here) expand on that a little? How does it play out differently if I ignore orders to seek out and sink warships, and go after merchant tonnage instead? Is it just a difference in medals awarded which doesn't affect gameplay at all? Or are you earning points for completing those objectives that go towards boat or crew upgrades? I'm not disputing your point, just wondering how it works because I don't have the game.

BTW, I would certainly try for a hit on a warship if I happened to be in a good tactical position with favorable weather, nighttime, no moon, etc. and I just stumbled across a task force. It's the idea of actively hunting warship groups and passing up merchant targets to save torpedoes for warship attacks, that I can't quite get my head around.

Two other things I'm not sure I'd enjoy are the crew morale system (although it sounds like there are mods for that), and the command system of having to run around the boat to give commands. Has that been streamlined with mods?

[krashkart]

This one is repeatedly used to slam the game, but it's not true at all. You have mission objectives like 'patrol here' 'drop off this spy' or 'recon this harbour' and that is your mission, which you are free to ignore. There are objectives in the campaign, like tonnage amounts to sink, but they are not requirements, so you are free to ignore them as well if you want. You also have several months and quite a few patrols to try for them. You can still advance through the game, it just plays out differently.

I don't know if you took my post as a slam of SH5, but it wasn't a slam. Anyhow thank you for clarifying with respect to mission objectives and the option to ignore them. I was under a completely different impression. :up:

[Nisgeis]

BTW, I would certainly try for a hit on a warship if I happened to be in a good tactical position with favorable weather, nighttime, no moon, etc. and I just stumbled across a task force. It's the idea of actively hunting warship groups and passing up merchant targets to save torpedoes for warship attacks, that I can't quite get my head around.

Two other things I'm not sure I'd enjoy are the crew morale system (although it sounds like there are mods for that), and the command system of having to run around the boat to give commands. Has that been streamlined with mods?

Hi Frumpkis, I'm not sure on the exact details on how the campiagn is changed, I only know what one of the devs said, which was the better you do, the better a position you will be in.

As for being given orders to intercept certain targets, then it did happen that U-Boats were strung out in certain positions and told to hunt for certain types. Imagine if you'd been ordered to patrol around Norway to defeat a British task force and you'd decided to go off to Liverpool to sink some fat merchants, thinking an invasion would never happen... I don't think you'd be in command much longer :). There were also other operational orders, like orders to try to intercept the convoys that had the fuel for the allied offensive campaigns, so again the U-Boats were ordered to sink the tankers. The U-Boats weren't used in isolation, so they often got specific orders as to which target to sink. But if you want, you can ignore it and you won't be relieved.

The morale system shouldn't be a problem after patch 1.2, so the mods that fixed it aren't necessary. Suffice to say that if you sink ships, you have morale points available, so your crew can operate more efficiently.

I don't know if you took my thread as a slam of SH5, but it wasn't a slam. Anyhow thanks for clarifying with respect to mission objectives and the option to ignore them. I was under a completely different understanding. :up:

No, not at all, as you said you had read it on the forums. There's a lot of negativity about and a lot of it comes from those who have no idea what they are talking about, as they've never played the game, yet they grasp at any and every opportunity to slag the game off. The mission objectives thing is one of them. This of course puts other people who have never played the game off, as they have no way to determine that these people are just spewing bile and just accept it. It's only a very small number of people who are constantly posting negative comments about the game endlessly. If you consider that 33% of people have said that they wouldn't buy the game if DRM were removed and take into account the number of people who would have voted no due to the false problems posted by the negaholics, then what effect have the negaholics had?

Negativity is much easier to spread than anything else and you don't even need any facts at all.

[Randomizer]

Voted NO.

As one with a deep interest in history, the developer's philosophy behind their design choices and the requirement to prioritize history over glitz takes presidence over graphics or UI when I buy any game.

With SH5 the Developers deliberately chose to create the Das Boot game, a RPG/FPS version of a popular movie based on a novel written by a wartime journalist. Those who might wonder as to why SH5 ends when it does and includes only one type of boat need look no further for explanation. What has been offered is not history but fiction, myth and propaganda, a historical novel in other words. It contains little substantive historical accuracy while merely providing an illusion of it wrapped in a glittering and showy visual game that just pretends to be about the U-Boat war.

Can't blame the suits at UBI for that...

Unless or until these aspects can be gotten rid of, I'll pass.

[IanC]

Voted NO.

As one with a deep interest in history, the developer's philosophy behind their design choices and the requirement to prioritize history over glitz takes presidence over graphics or UI when I buy any game.

With SH5 the Developers deliberately chose to create the Das Boot game, a RPG/FPS version of a popular movie based on a novel written by a wartime journalist. Those who might wonder as to why SH5 ends when it does and includes only one type of boat need look no further for explanation. What has been offered is not history but fiction, myth and propaganda, a historical novel in other words. It contains little substantive historical accuracy while merely providing an illusion of it wrapped in a glittering and showy visual game that just pretends to be about the U-Boat war.

Can't blame the suits at UBI for that...

Unless or until these aspects can be gotten rid of, I'll pass.

Agreed. But in all fairness I'm trying to imagine somebody telling me "how about we make a game, and it will feel exactly like you were in Das Boot!" I'd probably say something like "sure! I love that movie!"
I think the problem was it didn't come out quite like they imagined it would :06:
Might make a poll asking if SH5 feels like Das Boot/a movie, that may be interesting...

edit: poll not pole

[ssconvert]

I,ve just recently come back to these forums and considering getting SH5. I was a huge fan of SH3 with the GWX.

Just curious, what the hell is DRM???????
How does it affect the game etc????????

[Randomizer]

Agreed. But in all fairness I'm trying to imagine somebody telling me "how about we make a game, and it will feel exactly like you were in Das Boot!" I'd probably say something like "sure! I love that movie!"
I think the problem was it didn't come out quite like they imagined it would :06:
Might make a poll asking if SH5 feels like Das Boot/a movie, that may be interesting...

edit: poll not pole
As I recall, if you go way back to the posts where Elanaiba defends the design decisions made during development and posted just before and shortly after release you will see that Das Boot the movie, loomed large in the game's developmental process.

Whether they captured the flavour of the book or movie with the finished product or not is irrelevant now but if the movie/novel did drive aspects of SH5 they have forfeited any claims to having produced a historically valid submarine simulation regardless of how pretty it might look or how slick the GUI might be, in my considered opinion that is.

Using a work of fiction as a template has to result in a work of fiction in the end.

[THE_MASK]

I know one thing for sure , a lot more people will buy SH5 when TheDarkWraith gets his AI mod up .

[Sailor Steve]

I,ve just recently come back to these forums and considering getting SH5. I was a huge fan of SH3 with the GWX.

Just curious, what the hell is DRM???????
How does it affect the game etc????????
It stands for Digital Rights Management, and it's the way game companies put their stamp on their products in an attempt to reduce or stop piracy.

SH3 had Starforce, which some of us never noticed and others had destroy their DVD drives.

SH4 had SecureRom, which was different but similar.

SH5 has a system whereby the game needs to be checked from time to time by the UBISoft servers, so you must be online at all times to play the game. There are a few who have reported problems, as sometimes the servers go down and no one can play, but those have been rare and most owners of the game are reporting little or no problem.

Many of us have refused to buy the game, in part because some have bad internet connections or none at all, and some want to play while they travel, or a variety of other reasons. Most of us who have refused to buy it do so because we consider the system to be tyrannical and oppressive.

So now you know.

[I'm goin' down]

buck, buck, cackle-NOT ME, peeped the little red hen.

[janh]

Voted NO.

As one with a deep interest in history, the developer's philosophy behind their design choices and the requirement to prioritize history over glitz takes presidence over graphics or UI when I buy any game.

With SH5 the Developers deliberately chose to create the Das Boot game, a RPG/FPS version of a popular movie based on a novel written by a wartime journalist. Those who might wonder as to why SH5 ends when it does and includes only one type of boat need look no further for explanation. What has been offered is not history but fiction, myth and propaganda, a historical novel in other words. It contains little substantive historical accuracy while merely providing an illusion of it wrapped in a glittering and showy visual game that just pretends to be about the U-Boat war.

Can't blame the suits at UBI for that...

Unless or until these aspects can be gotten rid of, I'll pass.

I kind of agree with you, but I wanted to leave another comment regarding your 2nd last sentence. In fact, the idea of requiring the human component to create the ultimate last bit of immersion (the cherry on the cake) that may or may not have been missing for some in AoD, SHIII, or SHIV, is indeed not all that bad.

However, the execution was little devoted (and funded), i.e. obviously but a few dialogues, no character development as a function of player performance and war progress, and no death/replacements/crew changes etc..
Further, I think (and vide infra I recognized similar things in other hardcore simulations, and games like WITP-AE), such simulations and strategy games have meanwhile come a long way and are becoming detailed to the limit of completeness.

However, one should start to question whether players primarily want to fight submarine warfare, see the effect of their efforts and patrols, and get medals or compete with historical aces, or whether they want to enjoy as much time out at see, walking through the boat, chatting, sun-bathing on deck etc between the battles. For me it comes down to the fighting, and anything in between is nice as an option, and I would surely spent a few minutes now and then walking around, but other than that I call it unnecessary micromanagement since it (unlike the old crew station assignment duty etc) has no real effect. If they had wanted to bridge both worlds, they would have designed it optional: some take the time to climb down the ladder, others press a key and then hear the captain make his automatic steps down while already bent over the map, like in good old times.

Maybe with all the rich detail recently, the focus of games has become a bit too blurry and instead of polishing up the core idea of a game (the submarine campaign, for example adding a strategic layer or real wolfpack action), micromanagement is becoming more of a problem rather than an addition.

[Moeceefus]

I should be more specific?

All I'm askin' is, what's the name of the guy on third base?

What's the name of the guy on second base.

I'm not askin' who's on second!

No, Who's on first!

I don't know!

THIRD BASE!




What skit? Never heard of it.
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Here is the lost version [URL]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AaBwOOBIRLY&playnext_from=TL&videos=l3K4XVYDYbg (http://)

[Sailor Steve]

Well that was awful. Look for the Shakespeare version.

[mikeydredd]

Without wishing to be accused of slagging this product off - I've seen it, I've played it both un-modded and modded and

I wouldn't give Ubisoft a single penny for it. And obviously they couldn't give a toss one way or the other.

So I guess that means NO.

Fair play to the modders though. I wish the ethos behind this game was more deserving of their time and very fine efforts.

Have a nice day.

Dredd :arrgh!:

[Harmsway!]

There are only two reasons why I don't own SH5 and they have nothing to do with the current state of game play.

#1 is my hardware won't support it
#2 DRM

My problem with DRM is this. Forget price, what if SH5 is the best subsim out there and I am crazy about it. Then one day UBI decides to no longer support the servers. Then what do I do. I can't launch my favorite game?

Now I truly believe UBI will relieve the log-on requirement before they shut down but there's no way to know. Why should modders expend the effort to find that there work can't be used. Let's hope this is never the case but right now it set up to fail.

---------

Next topic playability.

What am I nuts that I don't care about the current state of game play? Well from what I've been reading the mods take care of the main issues and its only going to get better. The biggest issue of the weak campaign play is only temporary. All of the SH series needed a rewrite on the campaign side. What would SHIII be without GWX or SHIV without RSRD or OM?

Come on...this is what UBI is doing well. They give us a mission editor that you don't even need to know code for. We can re-write missions and even campaigns. And they leave parts of the game open for those of us that can code.

I have no doubt that SH5 will one day be the best subsim there is. Let's only hope we can launch the sim without the need for online connection.

[Der Teddy Bar]

Heard about this poll and just had to have my say on the matter.

No because I do not want to buy a product that is barely 1/6th complete i.e. does not have the Type II, IX, XIII (not XXI) & does not include the entire war.

No because I do not want to buy a product that does not fix issues outstanding since SH3.

No because I do not want to buy a product that has many new unfinished or poorly implemented features.

No because I do not want to buy a product that Ubi never patches to a satisfactorily level. Yes SH4 had 4 patches but this did not make everything work correctly.

No because I would rather Ubi @^#%$ off so someone else who is serious can come along.

Finally, no because Ubi never learn and are always looking for way to screw over the paying customer and as much as I love Uboat sims I personally cannot support such a corporation.

[Harmsway!]

Am I all wrong about this? I have it in my head that Sub Simulators are small potatoes compared to the rest of the software market. I have two teenage boys who are big time gamers and who have dozens of online gaming friends. None of which could give a crap about submarine sims.

We're a small community, a niche in the market. Because of this I am absolutely blown away with what we do have. And to be able to mod the game to our liking is awesome. I'm not excusing UBIsoft but there is no one else. As a community we're doing our best with what is dealt. Hating them doesn't serve my purpose at all.

[Sailor Steve]

Well said, Harmsway.

[Kissaki]

Heard about this poll and just had to have my say on the matter.

No because I do not want to buy a product that is barely 1/6th complete i.e. does not have the Type II, IX, XIII (not XXI) & does not include the entire war.

No because I do not want to buy a product that does not fix issues outstanding since SH3.

No because I do not want to buy a product that has many new unfinished or poorly implemented features.

No because I do not want to buy a product that Ubi never patches to a satisfactorily level. Yes SH4 had 4 patches but this did not make everything work correctly.

No because I would rather Ubi @^#%$ off so someone else who is serious can come along.

Finally, no because Ubi never learn and are always looking for way to screw over the paying customer and as much as I love Uboat sims I personally cannot support such a corporation.
I voted "yes", but after reading your post, I'm inclined to agree with you. I didn't even realize you'd be stuck with the type VII and that the whole war wasn't even included.

[John Channing]

Am I all wrong about this? I have it in my head that Sub Simulators are small potatoes compared to the rest of the software market. I have two teenage boys who are big time gamers and who have dozens of online gaming friends. None of which could give a crap about submarine sims.

We're a small community, a niche in the market. Because of this I am absolutely blown away with what we do have. And to be able to mod the game to our liking is awesome. I'm not excusing UBIsoft but there is no one else. As a community we're doing our best with what is dealt. Hating them doesn't serve my purpose at all.

Unfortunately some feel axes need regular grinding and a few of the ones beting trotted out here are almost 10 years old.

Was ever thus...

JCC

[scrapser]

Can Geico save you 15% on car insurance?

Does Ubisoft have a problem with producing quality sub sims?

[Frumpkis]

Am I all wrong about this? I have it in my head that Sub Simulators are small potatoes compared to the rest of the software market. I have two teenage boys who are big time gamers and who have dozens of online gaming friends. None of which could give a crap about submarine sims.

That's true, but it's not the only tactical sim niche. There are niche air combat games like DCS Blackshark, LockOn: Flaming Cliffs, Over Flanders Fields, Rise of Flight -- where the developers take the the product seriously, and offer continuing support after purchase. Ubi just looks bad by comparison. It's hard not to notice and comment on it, in the context of the rest of the game/simulation market.

We're a small community, a niche in the market. Because of this I am absolutely blown away with what we do have. And to be able to mod the game to our liking is awesome. I'm not excusing UBIsoft but there is no one else. As a community we're doing our best with what is dealt. Hating them doesn't serve my purpose at all.Hate is too strong a word for what some people are posting here. For some of us (me, anyway), it's a question of tracking the status of the game and seeing when it reaches a point where it might be worth buying and playing. I don't have a lot of free time for gaming at home, and I don't want to waste it when there are other good games out there to play.

Unfortunately some feel axes need regular grinding and a few of the ones being trotted out here are almost 10 years old.

Was ever thus...


Well, there's a difference between grinding axes in unrelated threads, and a thread that's an opinion poll. You know, where people are being asked their opinion of the game?

[Platapus]

Heard about this poll and just had to have my say on the matter.

No because I do not want to buy a product that is barely 1/6th complete i.e. does not have the Type II, IX, XIII (not XXI) & does not include the entire war.

No because I do not want to buy a product that does not fix issues outstanding since SH3.

No because I do not want to buy a product that has many new unfinished or poorly implemented features.

No because I do not want to buy a product that Ubi never patches to a satisfactorily level. Yes SH4 had 4 patches but this did not make everything work correctly.

No because I would rather Ubi @^#%$ off so someone else who is serious can come along.

Finally, no because Ubi never learn and are always looking for way to screw over the paying customer and as much as I love Uboat sims I personally cannot support such a corporation.


So you are in the "undecided" camp?

:D

[Harmsway!]

Frumpkis you have some good points. I too am still waiting. Hopefully by next spring UBIsoft will have removed the DRM. The game has already drop to $20. That's half of what it cost to buy SH4 gold.

[danurve]

Well said, Harmsway.

I frackin agree.

[Der Teddy Bar]

Am I all wrong about this? I have it in my head that Sub Simulators are small potatoes compared to the rest of the software market. I have two teenage boys who are big time gamers and who have dozens of online gaming friends. None of which could give a crap about submarine sims.

We're a small community, a niche in the market. Because of this I am absolutely blown away with what we do have. And to be able to mod the game to our liking is awesome. I'm not excusing UBIsoft but there is no one else. As a community we're doing our best with what is dealt. Hating them doesn't serve my purpose at all.
Hi Harmsway,

While I agree submarine simulations do not come within Cooee of a AAA title I have not seen any valid data that supports the view we are a niche market and I would say the numbers that participate in Subsim would suggest the opposite. It would be interesting to have the figures.

I think sub sims are a generational thing as a lot of my friends have ventured into the murky depths and would consider doing so again.

I do not see being a niche market as a mitigating factor in what is delivered. As such I cannot disagree more with you when you say "We're a small community, a niche in the market. Because of this I am absolutely blown away with what we do have." - Note I respect your view, just strongly disagree with it and Frumpkis's 1st paragraph sums it up nicely.

[Der Teddy Bar]

Unfortunately some feel axes need regular grinding and a few of the ones beting trotted out here are almost 10 years old.

Was ever thus...

JCC
Hi JC,

I am not sure what you are referring to, care to enlighten us? :D

[Sailor Steve]

Hi JC,

I am not sure what you are referring to, care to enlighten us? :D
There have been several folks who have seemed to feel the need to spam every thread with negativaty of the worst sort.

Q: I can't get XXX to work properly.
A: I told you this game was going to bomb!

Q: What do you think of the new UI?
A: DRM SUCKS!

Q: Is there a fix for this problem.
A: SH5 sux! I'm going back to SH4.

New thread: Why I'll stick with SH3 for the foreseeable future.




While I have no problem with complaints (if there aren't any then no one will know what's wrong), there has been a large amount of spamming since the game's release. It has died down somewhat, but occasionally you'll still see it.

[Der Teddy Bar]

So you are in the "undecided" camp?

:D
Please, no, no please don't make me choose!! :har:

[Der Teddy Bar]

There have been several folks who have seemed to feel the need to spam every thread with negativity of the worst sort.

Q: I can't get XXX to work properly.
A: I told you this game was going to bomb!

Q: What do you think of the new UI?
A: DRM SUCKS!

Q: Is there a fix for this problem.
A: SH5 sux! I'm going back to SH4.

New thread: Why I'll stick with SH3 for the foreseeable future.




While I have no problem with complaints (if there aren't any then no one will know what's wrong), there has been a large amount of spamming since the game's release. It has died down somewhat, but occasionally you'll still see it.
I hear what you are saying, however I am unable to see where that is relevant to this thread?

Admittedly I have been time poor and have been flying in posting and then flying out; literally; and my skimming shows none of that.

[ivank]

Mr ubisoft, tear down this wall. :ping:

:haha:

[HKLE]

Without having read this thread, I'd say, that without DRM, the whole thing could gain momentum with some modders finally considering super mods.

I lost interest in this game, seeing no progress on some vital parts - even aside from the bad idea of this DRM, the game still only shines in graphics ?!

If playability - in modded version - would come near SH3, I'd join (after DRM drop of course).

Otherwise I'd leave it in the shelves.

[darkone999]

95 percent of people buy games legit..If ur willing to upset so many people for the other 5% you can keep SH5..I Know I would get fired if I upset so many people at my job...get DRM out of the game u know it makes alot of people mad and they refuse to buy the game..I dont get your logic ubi......



Tim

[Nisgeis]

95 percent of people buy games legit..

Can you post a link or reference to the place where you got that figure from please?

[Sailor Steve]

I hear what you are saying, however I am unable to see where that is relevant to this thread?

Admittedly I have been time poor and have been flying in posting and then flying out; literally; and my skimming shows none of that.
Well, I was mainly responding to your response to John's response to Harmsway's statement.

That may have been over balanced, or not. This thread has been mostly civil, but there has been so much of that all over the boards that it's hard sometimes to tell where the line is.

That's my story and I'm stickin' to it. :D

[Yak]

If OSP is gone, probably.
I would say about a 75% chance, depending on price too.

With OSP? Not even for $20

[John Channing]

Hi JC,

I am not sure what you are referring to, care to enlighten us? :D

Sorry about the delay, I had forgoten I was active in this thread.

What I was referring to was that a number of people who have been posting here even prior to the release of SH5 who had made up their mind it would be crap. It was usually coached in "clever" rhetoric and phraseology, but it was clear that they had a firm position that they were not going to deviate from, regardless of the outcome. You can easily recognize these posts because they usualy begin or end with " I'M NEVER BUYING ANOTHER UBISOFT GAME...EVAR!"

Now along comes SHV with all of it's challenges , real and imagined, and this same group goes right off the deep end with "told you so" and "you people are idiots for buying it" posts. A week or two of that is OK, but a thread started 3 months after the release seems to me a little much. What else can be achieved other that a self-congratualtory "told you so" fest that is not the logic behind subsim.com..

Making this type of thing even more problematic is the fact that, while the two patches have made small improvements, the work the modders have done is nothing short of extraordinary. SHV, at this point in time, is far far superior to where SH3 and SH4 were at the same stages of their development. But this crowd can't, or won't accept that, so they fall back to their back-up mantra; "The Modders shouldn't have to fix it" and then (and this is the laughable part) go on to extol the virtues of SH3 GWX.

Lastly, and this is the telling point, we are starting to see the true strength of the real Subsim.com community. There is a thread where the real problems are being collected and itemized with the hope that Ubisoft might, at some point in the future, take notice and get in the game.

Whether Ubisoft does or does not is, to me, beside the point. For me the point is that instead of endlessly complaining about things, or patting themselves on the back for opting out, this group is coming together to try to make things better. The understanding is that if you are not part of the solution... well, you know the rest.

JCC

[Reece]

^ This type of thread is posted in the hope that UBI can see the number of people who are against this type of DRM, it is an overkill, because in effect it kills their sales. I keep hoping they read the thread and realize that by dropping this type of DRM they may actually make some money and other modders will join in fixing the bugs, I don't have a good enough internet connection here in country South Australia so what would be the point of buying it! I keep watching and hoping UBI will have a change of heart and drop it!:hmmm: I know it is unlikely but miracles happen!:yep:
Keep these threads going!!:up:

[John Channing]

So you don't think the 400 anti-DRM threads before this one got the message through?









:har:

JCC

[Sailor Steve]

You can't fool me with your evil lying ways! This is only #398! :O:

[Moeceefus]

Sorry about the delay, I had forgoten I was active in this thread.

What I was referring to was that a number of people who have been posting here even prior to the release of SH5 who had made up their mind it would be crap. It was usually coached in "clever" rhetoric and phraseology, but it was clear that they had a firm position that they were not going to deviate from, regardless of the outcome. You can easily recognize these posts because they usualy begin or end with " I'M NEVER BUYING ANOTHER UBISOFT GAME...EVAR!"

Now along comes SHV with all of it's challenges , real and imagined, and this same group goes right off the deep end with "told you so" and "you people are idiots for buying it" posts. A week or two of that is OK, but a thread started 3 months after the release seems to me a little much. What else can be achieved other that a self-congratualtory "told you so" fest that is not the logic behind subsim.com..

Making this type of thing even more problematic is the fact that, while the two patches have made small improvements, the work the modders have done is nothing short of extraordinary. SHV, at this point in time, is far far superior to where SH3 and SH4 were at the same stages of their development. But this crowd can't, or won't accept that, so they fall back to their back-up mantra; "The Modders shouldn't have to fix it" and then (and this is the laughable part) go on to extol the virtues of SH3 GWX.

Lastly, and this is the telling point, we are starting to see the true strength of the real Subsim.com community. There is a thread where the real problems are being collected and itemized with the hope that Ubisoft might, at some point in the future, take notice and get in the game.

Whether Ubisoft does or does not is, to me, beside the point. For me the point is that instead of endlessly complaining about things, or patting themselves on the back for opting out, this group is coming together to try to make things better. The understanding is that if you are not part of the solution... well, you know the rest.

JCC


Very well said sir. :salute:

[Reece]

So you don't think the 400 anti-DRM threads before this one got the message through?









:har:

JCCObviously Not!!:O: I figure, and so do others, that UBI thinks people will eventually give in, this thread proves they haven't!:stare:

[scrag]

I know the game has flaws but the primary reason I won't waste a dime on it is DRM

Drop that and I would buy it tomorrow....

[JScones]

SHV, at this point in time, is far far superior to where SH3 and SH4 were at the same stages of their development. But this crowd can't, or won't accept that...
Because it's wrong, at least for SH3.

By mid-July 2005 we had: SH3Cmdr; new ships and elaborate ship skins (including the Merchant Variety Pack, Additional Merchants Pack and numerous other new units from traliblazers like sergbuto); Harbour Traffic; Hollywood Effects; Airpower Mod; at least two detailed sound packs; and FrontFlotille and RUB 1.42 combomods (both comprised a lot more than just interface changes ;))! And FOUR official patches. And editing tools from TimeTraveller that worked (nothing given to us from the devs back then). I could go on, but if you prefer, read backwards from here (http://www.subsim.com/phpBB_archive1/viewforum.php?f=41&topicdays=0&start=2650) to refresh your memory (which in itself is poignant; there's been roughly 928 threads started in the SH5 Mods Workshop compared to at least 1,800 started in the SH3 Mods Workshop for the same period...more if you count those started before 12 July but had posts made after 12 July...and with a LOT less members too).

To support your claim, can you pls point me to release threads for SH5Cmdr, added merchants, and a RUb-like equivalent (to begin with), as I can't seem to find them? Also point me to the magazine write up about said mods...you may recall RUb 1.2 was featured in the US "Computer Games" magazine in early Jun 2005...
Silent but Deadly

A five-star simulation like Silent Hunter III doesn't really need any modifications, but sub simmers are a notoriously picky bunch. So it wasn't unexpected that modder Beery would round up the best work of the game's online community in the Real U-Boat Mod. Version 1.21 is loaded with enhancements and fixes that have been pumped out by the game's rabid fanbase over the past few months, including Beery's own fatigue and flotilla mods, Jace11's detailed bearings mod, and Timetraveller's moon graphic. This is not a mod for the faint of heart, as it removes tips regarding nearby ships, reduces the number of lone stragglers on the Atlantic, and even makes it harder to obtain certain medals. Of course, this grueling difficulty isn't out of place when you consider that the average U-Boat crewman had less than a 50/50 chance of making it back to port alive.
Of course, this is not to take anything away from the great SH5 mods that have been released, but it does clearly demonstrate that post-SH3 development was hardly "far, far" inferior to SH5 after the same 4 months, don't you think? ;)

Ironic how easily people forget things, isn't it, Channing? ;)

EDIT: Oh, and there was no JSGME until late April, meaning no easy tweak-test-remove either. They were tough times...

[John Channing]

You can't fool me with your evil lying ways! This is only #398! :O:

Ok... you got me. I was rounding up.

JCC

[McBeck]

Ok... you got me. I was rounding up.

JCCTo be honest, I dont think theres been a DRM thread of this type before. Sure, its about DRM, but covers a different , more simple, perspective:
Is DRM the only problem for you?

I think the result is VERY interresting!

Almost 3/4 of the people who have not bought SH5, have not done so because of DRM - not because of all the other issues there is with the game..

[THE_MASK]

So out of 6800,000,000 people , 42 people refuse to buy it no matter what .

[goldorak]

So out of 6800,000,000 people , 42 people refuse to buy it no matter what .


:yep: , its those 42 people out of 6800,000,000 customers that convinced Ubisoft to stop supporting SH 5. :shucks:

[thyro]

:yep: , its those 42 people out of 6800,000,000 customers that convinced Ubisoft to stop supporting SH 5. :shucks:

Correction! 43 now!

Even if DRM was removed

I will not waste my money on aborted games!

But if it gets finalized (if it ever gets!) then it will be a different story.

[Stiebler]

JScones said (speaking of SH3):
By mid-July 2005 we had: SH3Cmdr; new ships and elaborate ship skins (including the Merchant Variety Pack, Additional Merchants Pack and numerous other new units from traliblazers like sergbuto); Harbour Traffic; Hollywood Effects; Airpower Mod; at least two detailed sound packs; and FrontFlotille and RUB 1.42 combomods (both comprised a lot more than just interface changes ;))! And FOUR official patches. And editing tools from TimeTraveller that worked (nothing given to us from the devs back then).Good point (as usual by JS).
SH3 seems to have generated an enthusiasm that has somehow been lacking with SH4 and SH5, which both lagged behind SH3 for rate of development of mods. I recollect that, in the early months of SH4, complaints about lack of mods for it were always met with statements to the effect that 'it has not been in development for as long as SH3; wait until it has'. It never did catch up, having lower sales and (presumably) therefore a smaller pool of potential modders.

Mods should really be developed to accommodate different playing tastes. To take an obvious example, the original devs will have set a certain standard of playing difficulty. Some will prefer the game easier, so mods should be developed for them. Some will prefer the game harder, so they will need different mods. Again, some will prefer more eye-candy, others will prefer more realism. Mods will be developed for both groups. Other talented modders have created extra ships for SH3 and SH4.

Mods should *not* be created to correct defects in the original code or to paper over cracks in the original game design. I have the impression, reading the threads on this forum, that this is nevertheless the objective of most of the mods being created for SH5. This is a difficult objective anyway, but must also discourage casual modders. There is no point in changing the colo(u)r of a U-boat propellers (to take a trivial example) if no one wants to use the supplied GUI. The GUI has to be sorted out first.

I believe that modding for SH5 is never likely to be popular, until there is more enthusiasm for the un-modded product. (In practical terms, that means further patches needed, and DRM to be removed.)

[I haven't voted in the poll.]

Stiebler.

[GoDeep]

I voted "No".

For me, DRM is the biggest problem I have with the game. DRM only hurts the legitimate players, it does nothing to hurt pirates. If the servers at UBI are down, the legitimate players can't play, where as the pirates have no problem. That is just wrong. I wish companies would cease to hurt their paying customers.
I also do not like software that "phones home". It is none of UBI's business if I play Silent Hunter at 2:13 AM. The "phoning home" behaviour is one of the main reasons why I ditched Microsoft products. I run Silent Hunter III and 4 on Linux. (For more information of Microsoft products phoning home, see here:
http://news.softpedia.com/news/30-Windows-7-Features-Phone-Home-to-Microsoft-129592.shtml
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2007/03/09/ms_wga_phones_home/
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006/11/22/vista_eula_worries/)
I don't like companies treating me like a criminal!

/rant

Errr...sorry for the little off-topic rant. DRM just annoys me... :stare:

However, from what I have read about SH5 and the reviews that I have seen, SH5 has moved away from a pure simulation and is moving into arcade games and role playing. Personally, I don't want to chat with my crew about their family. It may be nice for some, but for me, I can imagine that aspect of the game. I like the realistic recreation of submarine warfare in terms of physics, technology, sensors, tactics, weapons, weather and environment. I want a realistic AI. I am fascinated by the thrill of the hunt, figuring out the attack plan and have it go all awry when the escorts interfere, the cat and mouse game of attacking and withdrawing.
When I have all that and still have nice enough graphics, I am happy. SH5 looks stunning, there's no question about it. In that aspect it is obvious how dated the SHIII engine has become. But in the aspect of realism and the items I mentioned before, SH5 doesn't seem to come close to SHIII with GWX3. That, and now the announcement that there may not be another patch for SH5, doesn't inspire me to buy the game at the moment. Maybe when the time comes and I can lift it from the bargain bin, and the DRM is removed.

If I have been mislead by reviews and user opinion, then please correct me.

[Sailor Steve]

:yep: , its those 42 people out of 6800,000,000 customers that convinced Ubisoft to stop supporting SH 5. :shucks:
That's not the number of customers. That's the number of people on the whole planet! :D

[Reece]

That's not the number of customers. That's the number of people on the whole planet! :D
Mars or Venus Steve?:hmmm:

[janh]

Mars or Venus Steve?:hmmm:

42 must be Mars, I believe. Gotta check whether George B Jr is still there...

[GoDeep]

42 must be Mars, I believe. Gotta check whether George B Jr is still there...

If it is 42, the planet is probably Magrathea :rolleyes:

[Gorshkov]

I bought SH5 right now but not because of DRM issue but due to low price I was able to get it - just 20 bucks! :know: :har:

[Yak]

Yep, so the other 6.7999 billion people on the planet have all bought SH5?

It is actually the most successful video game of all time:

Pictures of North Korean flocking to Electronics Boutique to get their copy:
http://trendsupdates.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/north_korean_military.jpg

And Ethiopian Children trekking for days to their nearest Best Buy just to play subsim and prove the 42 luddites wrong!

http://www.traveladventures.org/continents/africa/images/ethiopian-kids02.jpg

So why aren't YOU playing SH5?
http://edition.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2006/yir/timeline/images/16.north.korea.gi.afp.jpg

[makman94]

JScones said (speaking of SH3):
Good point (as usual by JS).
SH3 seems to have generated an enthusiasm that has somehow been lacking with SH4 and SH5, which both lagged behind SH3 for rate of development of mods. I recollect that, in the early months of SH4, complaints about lack of mods for it were always met with statements to the effect that 'it has not been in development for as long as SH3; wait until it has'. It never did catch up, having lower sales and (presumably) therefore a smaller pool of potential modders.

Mods should really be developed to accommodate different playing tastes. To take an obvious example, the original devs will have set a certain standard of playing difficulty. Some will prefer the game easier, so mods should be developed for them. Some will prefer the game harder, so they will need different mods. Again, some will prefer more eye-candy, others will prefer more realism. Mods will be developed for both groups. Other talented modders have created extra ships for SH3 and SH4.

Mods should *not* be created to correct defects in the original code or to paper over cracks in the original game design. I have the impression, reading the threads on this forum, that this is nevertheless the objective of most of the mods being created for SH5. This is a difficult objective anyway, but must also discourage casual modders. There is no point in changing the colo(u)r of a U-boat propellers (to take a trivial example) if no one wants to use the supplied GUI. The GUI has to be sorted out first.

I believe that modding for SH5 is never likely to be popular, until there is more enthusiasm for the un-modded product. (In practical terms, that means further patches needed, and DRM to be removed.)

[I haven't voted in the poll.]

Stiebler.

I agree with both Stiebler and JScones but i would like to add here that ,for me , the problem is not drm or some bugs (not the major ones)

they(devs) made a good start with sh3 (although they vanished some simulator elements from previous versions) and the next step would (or must) have been a sequel with all previous simulation elements getting back and of course to start ADDING something to this direction .didn't happened....and now,with sh5 , they just 'killed' almost all (the few) remained simulation elements (thanks to TDW ,trying really hard to bring them back) .of course ,they DIDN'T ADD ANYTHING TO SIMULATOR AGAIN (only vanished...again) !this is the big fail of sh5 and not the drm things or its bugs...
even if the game some day becomes totally free of bugs, it will never be something new becuase it doesn't have at its core anything new ! the best you could see from sh5 at future(if we assume that ubi will keep not allowing modders to hack executables), it will be to reach the level of sh3-sh4 (simulator level) with some better graphics and that is all....which,imo, allready started to get bored.

it is really annoying me the fact that ubisoft is asking from community to start BEGING (YES,..BEGING) for a patch or for a tool .

if there were laws to protect us(gamers) from sinister companies ,,,now you would see this rediculous ubisoft beging YOU not to sue them ! BUT ,they are so cheeky that they are asking you to co-operate with them in order to decide (unbelievable !!) if (yes...IF...) they will fix some issues !( ...!!! really,...why 'some' AND why not 'ALL' ?? )

do you believe that devs DON'T KNOW ALL THE ISSUES ??? if you were ever involved with modding you should know that the author ALWAYS 'knows' his 'baby' better than anyone else.



PS: to sorlim : a community developer with LIMITED access to internet ? (...!!)
well sorlim,that was good ! at least,you have....humor !

[McBeck]

I think this poll has a good point....

[Reece]

PS: to sorlim : a community developer with LIMITED access to internet ? (...!!)
well sorlim,that was good ! at least,you have....humor !Yep that was it!! See ya all sometime in the future! Glad I could help!:haha:

[Rip]

Well finally someone is moving to establish limits to how absurd protections can get in limiting us access to what we pay for. Without mindless restrictions. We can only hope the tide has turned.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/07/26/us_government_legalizes_iphone_jailbreaking_for_un authorized_apps.html

Rip

[Reece]

Well finally someone is moving to establish limits to how absurd protections can get in limiting us access to what we pay for. Without mindless restrictions. We can only hope the tide has turned.

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/10/07/26/us_government_legalizes_iphone_jailbreaking_for_un authorized_apps.html

Rip
Other exemptions announced Monday allow people to break protections on video games to investigate or correct security flaws; allow college professors, film students and documentary filmmakers to break copy protection measures on DVDs to embed clips for educational purposes, criticism, commentary and noncommercial videos; and allow computer owners to bypass the need for external security devices (dongles) if the hardware no longer works and cannot be replaced.Hope this rubs off world wide!:rock:

[Gilbou]

Will not buy it, even with DRM dropped. Ubisoft has ruined too much game series for me to bare with them anymore. They destroyed the Ghost Recon series. The Ravenshield one. The destroyed the Splinter Cell kick ass game play. The DRM, the unreliable crappy servers and connections, the unplayable and unworking ridden with bugs online side. Ubisoft deserves to die and their games to be ignored and go unsold. I gave up on Ravenshield, Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell, and Silent Hunter too. SH3 is no more installed on my PC, not even SH4. I have not played it for monthes and I probably never will again. SH5 ? No way. I believe the Silent Hunter series is now dead like all the other franchises Ubisoft has destroyed. I hope they get bankrupt someday, and get what they deserve.

[Madox58]

I hope they get bankrupt someday, and get what they deserve.
They probably will someday unless they sell out to another interest.
It doubt the Govt. of France could prop them up like the Govt. of the U.S. did for many Companies.
I'm waiting to see what kind of Tax write-off they claim in the U.S.
If BP can get away with it?
They will also.
We in the U.S. need to make heads roll to stop this crap here!

[John Channing]

I gave up on ... Silent Hunter too. SH3 is no more installed on my PC, not even SH4. I have not played it for monthes and I probably never will again. SH5 ? No way. I believe the Silent Hunter series is now dead like all the other franchises Ubisoft has destroyed.

So I gotta ask... why are you posting here?

JCC

[Seeadler]

It doubt the Govt. of France could prop them up like the Govt. of the U.S. did for many Companies.
Already in 2007 the French government had decided that French game-development companies can get tax credits of up to three million euros. And up to 20 percent of the development of a title will be financed by the government.

[Madox58]

:o
No wonder we got what we got!
:nope:

When Govt. stays out of things they are much better.

[Badger Finn]

Haven't played it enough to give it a fair hearing.

I doubt anyone here will find it cheaper than this: $23.99 & Free Shipping @ Amazon.com


Yep $20 NZD outta the bargin bin, with no DRM ill buy just to check out the graphics, the rest of it so far even with mods such as the actual sim play and campaign is not me

currently @ $50NZD in a 50% off sale in the small corner at the back of the game shop...

[Badger Finn]

I'm waiting to see what kind of Tax write-off they claim in the U.S.
If BP can get away with it?
They will also.
We in the U.S. need to make heads roll to stop this crap here!

Not going to happen havnt ya heard the USA is the land of the fee these days...

All those corporations are your government...actually there ours as well in NZ...

:hmmm:

[Madox58]

land of the fee
:har:
Now THAT I like!
:har:

[TarJak]

the land of the fee these days...

And the home of the paid.

[skookum]

Put me in the hold out crowd.

[skookum]

Put me in the hold out crowd.

[Nisgeis]

That's the slowest double post I've seen yet.

[Squirtikiss]

:x I will buy it if online drm is removed. I refuse to buy any game that requires any kind of online linkage; including registration. I do not much mind simple online registration(not activation), but I must stand solidly with those who have no internet access. There are still plenty of people without internet.
It is hard to believe a company would be so Stupid as to turn away paying customers. That is exactly what they have done.

[M1Thompson]

Not going to happen havnt ya heard the USA is the land of the fee these days...

All those corporations are your government...actually there ours as well in NZ...

:hmmm:

soon we will be the United Socialist States of America:wah:

we aint that free anymore and everyday we are controlled more and more.

ubisoft is only supporting them by controlling what we do:nope:

[Gilbou]

So I gotta ask... why are you posting here?

JCC

The question at the beginning of the thread being "How many will buy SH5 if DRM is dropped ?" I did answer, and explained why.

Unless the laws of logic and answering questions has changed recently in this universe I believe my answer is to that question and to the point. I will check with my local Vulcan the logic of it and get back to you.

[Badger Finn]

soon we will be the United Socialist States of America:wah:

we aint that free anymore and everyday we are controlled more and more.

ubisoft is only supporting them by controlling what we do:nope:

Indeed the USA is in dire straits...

ubisoft - all corporations are one in the same...

DRM is this centuries version of *papers please*

[DelphiUniverse]

If there isnt DRM there is always something else. Can't escape capitalism. They want your money and they are going to get it.

[McBeck]

The result of this poll actully supprises me....

Only 1/4 are not bying this game because of all the issues it has...

[Badger Finn]

The result of this poll actully supprises me....

Only 1/4 are not bying this game because of all the issues it has...

At a guess many on the sidelines would also be tossing a coin about all the other things they have to deal with!

The graphics look fantastic - the rest sounds snafu!

A unfinished offering for hard earned $$ requiring alot of modding just to get it up to a semi playable product? (lucky for many theres a skilled modding community here)

A strange business model of ubi but in todays climate normal I suppose - Let them eat cake and bake it yourself!

[robbo180265]

You replied:




Will not buy it, even with DRM dropped.


Methinks JCC has a point:hmmm:

No-one is interested in the fact that you will not buy it , or that you think UBI sux - the question was asking whether others would if the drm was dropped - even a Vulcan would be able to see the logic there

[Sailor Steve]

No-one is interested in the fact that you will not buy it , or that you think UBI sux - the question was asking whether others would if the drm was dropped - even a Vulcan would be able to see the logic there
I disagree, mainly because though the question was how many would buy it if the DRM was dropped, there was also a poll option for who wouldn't buy it; and the question was the same, leaving it open for those who will and those who won't.

HOWEVER...

The question at the beginning of the thread being "How many will buy SH5 if DRM is dropped ?" I did answer, and explained why.

Unless the laws of logic and answering questions has changed recently in this universe I believe my answer is to that question and to the point. I will check with my local Vulcan the logic of it and get back to you.
It seems to me that JCC asked you why you are posting here, not because you said you won't buy it, which is fine, but because you said you're not playing any Silent Hunter at all, and probably never would. So the real question becomes: Why are you even reading forums and threads devoted solely to Silent Hunter games? Most people only read forums devoted to things they are actually interested in.

[robbo180265]

I stand corrected :salute::DL

[Sailor Steve]

I stand corrected :salute::DL
Wasn't meant to be a correction - just an opinion. :sunny:

[robbo180265]

Wasn't meant to be a correction - just an opinion. :sunny:

Yeah - the right one too:D

[Jimbuna]

I disagree, mainly because though the question was how many would buy it if the DRM was dropped, there was also a poll option for who wouldn't buy it; and the question was the same, leaving it open for those who will and those who won't.

HOWEVER...


It seems to me that JCC asked you why you are posting here, not because you said you won't buy it, which is fine, but because you said you're not playing any Silent Hunter at all, and probably never would. So the real question becomes: Why are you even reading forums and threads devoted solely to Silent Hunter games? Most people only read forums devoted to things they are actually interested in.

Good and fair assessment Steve and a good probing question JC....I must admit to being hesitant to posting here this morning in case it turned into a gang rape, wouldn't want to be accused of jumping on the bandwagon whilst there's still plenty of popcorn in the kitchen :03:

[janh]

I suppose that there is a substantial skew in the result of this poll due to its simple nature: Most of the people that are not at all interested anymore, no matter whether due to DRM or quality issues, are probably not around anymore on this forum to vote... But anyway, this poll doesn't really tell a lot.

[Nufsed]

I bought SH5, DRM and all. I have had no problems connecting with the servers and the following statement is based on my personal experience with this "Simulation"

Silent Hunter 5 is going to be the "best" Submarine/U-Boat sim "ever". I base this prediction on (a) The base game/programming is pretty sound and the game stable (b) The amount and quality of the "Mods" released so-far (The sim on my machine is radically different from the original download, both graphically and AI wise). This situation has arisen solely from the dedication of a few very clever and IT savvy modders (You all know who you are). And I for one would to thank and congratulate all of you Guys for your unwavering belief in this great sim.

Thankyou :up:

[McBeck]

I suppose that there is a substantial skew in the result of this poll due to its simple nature: Most of the people that are not at all interested anymore, no matter whether due to DRM or quality issues, are probably not around anymore on this forum to vote... But anyway, this poll doesn't really tell a lot.
I think it tell a very powerfull statement. Out of the people who bothered to answer...3/4 would buy the game if DRM was removed...meaning that they could live with the flaws the game has.

[Gilbou]

I disagree, mainly because though the question was how many would buy it if the DRM was dropped, there was also a poll option for who wouldn't buy it; and the question was the same, leaving it open for those who will and those who won't.

HOWEVER...


It seems to me that JCC asked you why you are posting here, not because you said you won't buy it, which is fine, but because you said you're not playing any Silent Hunter at all, and probably never would. So the real question becomes: Why are you even reading forums and threads devoted solely to Silent Hunter games? Most people only read forums devoted to things they are actually interested in.

Bla Bla Bla

I started playing Silent Hunter 2. I got it monthes before everyone else because at that time I was a journalist, and got a preview of the game so I could test the game and write an article about it, several monthes before it went out in the stores. I also played SH1 after SH2 as we had a non opened SH1 Commander's Edition in stock at the journal.

I loved SH3 when it came out. I even made friends that never played Sub simulators play the game.

I bought the SH4 Collector's Edition.

I have been playing SH since the fist one, thank you.

If DRM is dropped from SH5 I will not buy it. I would rather install SH4 and play the US side using Fall of the Rising Sun, or the German side using Monsun.

I have stopped playing SH as I consider that franchise dead. The same way I stopped playing the Ravenshield one (Ubisoft destroyed its unique complex gameplay). I stopped playing Ghost Recon (Ubisoft made the game a joke with GRAW and GRAW2 and only GRAW with the OGR Coop Mod is acceptable.. and does not even reach the talon of Ghost Recon + the two expansions pack that followed it). Same for Splinter Cell.

For each of those franchises (Ravenshield, Ghost Recon, Splinter Cell, Silent Hunter) I have been an avid player from the first versions of the game and I saw Ubisoft turn each of those to crap.

I will not buy SH5 even if DRM is dropped.

[Badger Finn]

I think it tell a very powerfull statement. Out of the people who bothered to answer...3/4 would buy the game if DRM was removed...meaning that they could live with the flaws the game has.

Think it would be more case of rather than living with it I would be in a mind set of what can I do with SH5 to bring it up to *simulator* speed representing WWII ATO...

[Nisgeis]

I have stopped playing SH as I consider that franchise dead.

So the real question becomes: Why are you even reading forums and threads devoted solely to Silent Hunter games? Most people only read forums devoted to things they are actually interested in.

You didn't say why you frequent forums for a franchise that is dead to you, especially as you didn't seem to bring flowers for the grave. By the way, no need to wait for SH5 to be released without DRM to not buy it and play SH4 instead. You can play SH4 now, without waiting to not buy SH5.

[Task Force]

NO, even tho I have it, if I didnt have it already, I wouldnt buy it.

I must say, this game is missing something, dont know what.

[DelphiUniverse]

NO, even tho I have it, if I didnt have it already, I wouldnt buy it.

I must say, this game is missing something, dont know what.

When you got medals in silent hunter 2 you could see it on screen. In SH5 it doesnt seem to appear, until you click your own medals to watch, they just suddenly pop up in your collection. Thats one thing missing.

Another thing missing is more variety of weather. And airplanes should attack more often, destroyers should attack more aggressively.

The sounds should have been a bit better, more fitting and cool. I guess thats why we have the 3rd party community.

[Paajtor]

I must say, this game is missing something, dont know what.
SH3 had soul, you could smell it...SH5 smells like money.
Well that's my opinion.

[Sailor Steve]

If DRM is dropped from SH5 I will not buy it. I would rather install SH4 and play the US side using Fall of the Rising Sun, or the German side using Monsun.
Fair enough.

I have stopped playing SH as I consider that franchise dead. The same way I stopped playing the Ravenshield one.
That makes no sense to me, though of course it doesn't have to, as it's no business of mine. But that said, I don't understand why that would make you stop playing them. I would still play SH1 if not for SH4. If there is no other Silent Hunter, and SH5 is never fixed to a point where it makes me happy, I would still play SH3 and SH4. Just because the franchise is dead doesn't mean those games aren't still worth playing.

I will not buy SH5 even if DRM is dropped.
I understand, and support your decision. But I still don't understand, if you hate all Silent Hunter games that much, why you would even read these forums. That makes no sense to me.

[Méo]

By the way, no need to wait for SH5 to be released without DRM to not buy it and play SH4 instead. You can play SH4 now, without waiting to not buy SH5.

:har::haha: :yeah:

I've always loved your logic. :DL

[Gilbou]

But that said, I don't understand why that would make you stop playing them

Because it hurts.

It hurts to play SH4 and be all the time thinking how fun it would be
to play SH5 because I saw the graphics improvements and they kick ass.

SH5 is better than SH4 in many things I won't list here. And all of this
I keep away from me because of their DRM.

It just hurts so I prefer to consider the franchise dead, and move on
to another games.

I play ARMA 2 now. Waited until they removed the copy protection
in one of their patches before buying it. Sent them a letter about it,
that I would wait for the DRM to be dropped before buying. They did
after some time, and I bought the game with over 10 other friends
and we play Arma 2.

I gave up on SH.

[Gilbou]

You didn't say why you frequent forums for a franchise that is dead to you, especially as you didn't seem to bring flowers for the grave. By the way, no need to wait for SH5 to be released without DRM to not buy it and play SH4 instead. You can play SH4 now, without waiting to not buy SH5.

I came from time to time to see if DRM would be dropped or not. From time to time I check. See that people are still having problems with DRM, with no answer from Ubi (which says a lot). I read around a little, then I leave for a few monthes again.

Why I keep reading the forums is not to see people be in trouble with the game. I keep myself informed. I don't think they will drop DRM. I will check from time to time to see if a SH6 will come out, but I don't even believe they will after such fiasco.

[Harmsway!]

Because it hurts.

It hurts to play SH4 and be all the time thinking how fun it would be
to play SH5 because I saw the graphics improvements and they kick ass.

....... ..

I gave up on SH.

I understand what you are saying. I feel some of that too. But there is always something out there that breeds discontentment. You got to work through that or live miserably. I just read about a new 3D TV that you don't need 3D glasses for. That's available now and in the works are 3D images that you can touch. They're talking about having virtual museums where the blind or anyone can feel all those things secured behind glass. Now are you going to quit watching TV?

[JScones]

Now are you going to quit watching TV?
Nup, I will certainly continue to enjoy my HD LCD screen whilst I watch the early adopters replace their 3D screens numerous times over the next few years of evolution until stability sets in.

And I reserve the right to regularly read up on the new technology--despite not owning it--as I see fit, so that I can determine with informed knowledge when it's the best time for me to take the plunge.

3D TV sure looks purdy though...

;)

[tater]

If there isnt DRM there is always something else. Can't escape capitalism. They want your money and they are going to get it.

They can have my money as soon as they create a product I want to buy. Until then, no.

[Gilbou]

I understand what you are saying. I feel some of that too. But there is always something out there that breeds discontentment. You got to work through that or live miserably. I just read about a new 3D TV that you don't need 3D glasses for. That's available now and in the works are 3D images that you can touch. They're talking about having virtual museums where the blind or anyone can feel all those things secured behind glass. Now are you going to quit watching TV?

I don't care about 3D. I got a slight disalignment of my two eyes that makes me unable to see 3D pictures when using those glasses. There is no fix for that except boring, eye tiring exercices I have to do daily. No surgery, no fix is available... So, all that 3D movies stuff is something I cannot have if it's through glasses. And a lot of people have that "eye divergence" problem, especially those with myopia.

[KG_Jag]

Dropping the DRM is a necessary, but not a sufficient condition to secure my purchase of SH5.

I've been away from these boards for a while, but from what I am picking up-- the game still suffers from serious quality and design deficiencies. With those factors in the mix, SH5 would likely have to be in the closeout bin before it gets my money.

[Rockin Robbins]

My initial reason for not buying was solely the DRM. As modders that I respect have given up on SH5 I have come to realize that the DRM is probably the best thing that could have happened to Ubi, as it allows them to pretend that only a stupid decision on the DRM is responsible for their failure. In fact, the failure only begins there.

In spite of that, after the DRM is gone and the game is available on the used market I'll probably snipe one off eBay for a dollar or so.

[mikeydredd]

"Very simple...only for the people who have not purchased SH5 yet!"

Remarkable how the very people who bleat about those who haven't bought SH5 posting on the SH5 forum feel it necessary to post on a thread that contains the above simple instruction.

Is'nt that the very definition of trolling?

Seems that folks who haven't bought SH5, for whatever reason, are a lot more tolerant of those that have, than the other way round.

Which sais it all really.

Regards,

Dredd:arrgh!:

[Nisgeis]

"Very simple...only for the people who have not purchased SH5 yet!"

I think that refers to the poll. It wouldn't make sense to vote on it if you already had a copy.

Remarkable how the very people who bleat about those who haven't bought SH5 posting on the SH5 forum feel it necessary to post on a thread that contains the above simple instruction.

Is'nt that the very definition of trolling?

Maybe you'd be a poll troll if you voted.

[Capt. Teach]

I would buy it without question =if= the DRM was removed.

[mikeydredd]

Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeydredd http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1486094#post1486094)
"Very simple...only for the people who have not purchased SH5 yet!"

I think that refers to the poll. It wouldn't make sense to vote on it if you already had a copy.


Quote:
Originally Posted by mikeydredd http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1486094#post1486094)
Remarkable how the very people who bleat about those who haven't bought SH5 posting on the SH5 forum feel it necessary to post on a thread that contains the above simple instruction.

Is'nt that the very definition of trolling?

Maybe you'd be a poll troll if you voted.


You have perfectly illustrated my point.

QED. . .

Thanks,

Dredd:arrgh!:

[robbo180265]

You have perfectly illustrated my point.

QED. . .

Thanks,

Dredd:arrgh!:

And it could be said that you baited him into posting - the very dictionary definition of trolling.

[Flankhard]

Voted no.
But that dosen't mean I won't buy it at all, or that I wouldn't be happy if they removed it. It's not the DRM that keeps me on the fence here. In fact, if this game was perfect - the DRM would almost be a non-issue.

[Nisgeis]

You have perfectly illustrated my point.

QED. . .

Thanks,

Dredd:arrgh!:

I think McBeck already had the game when he posted this up, so would that mean the OP was trolling himself in his own thread? McBeck what did you mean with the first post - poll or post? That's the simplest way to find out.

[longam]

Time to close this poll

[Reece]

Time to close this poll
Does it offend you?:hmmm:

[Madox58]

StarForce offended me much more then DRM.
StarForce is well known to have destroyed hardware.
DRM is just an inconvenience and the fashionable excuse.

[Hans Uberman]

Time to close this poll
If you're for SH5, as your previous posts seem to indicate, then I don't see why you would want this poll to end. It gives us a small idea percentage-wise of how many people would love to support SH5 in the future, given one minor change. The poll is not against the game itself, and there are still people voting. I myself only just discovered it.

[TarJak]

StarForce offended me much more then DRM.
StarForce is well known to have destroyed hardware.
DRM is just an inconvenience and the fashionable excuse.Call me a fashionista then.:03:

[Schwieger]

If you're for SH5, as your previous posts seem to indicate, then I don't see why you would want this poll to end. It gives us a small idea percentage-wise of how many people would love to support SH5 in the future, given one minor change. The poll is not against the game itself, and there are still people voting. I myself only just discovered it.


Most of the problems that SH5 has (save for the fact quite a few people can't run it and the DRM issue) can be solved by modders. I myself would love to try out SH5 if they drop the DRM

[Snestorm]

No.
Wasn't impressed with the product, even without the DRM issue.

Unless something better comes along, it's SH3 for me.

[TheDarkWraith]

Unless something better comes along, it's SH3 for me.

suit yourself. SH5 modded is a whole new game :yep:

[Snestorm]

suit yourself. SH5 modded is a whole new game :yep:

Checked the computer specs, just in case all my negative perceptions were erradicated.
Fail. Not worth the price of an upgrade, even if the game was free.

[Madox58]

Call me a fashionista then.:03:
Fashionista.
:haha:

[Sailor Steve]

Fashionista.
:haha:
Name dropper.
:rotfl2:

[Madox58]

Knowing TJ?
He'll probabply say
"That's MR. Fashionista to you!"
:har: