A Case study for democrat corruption

[nikimcbee]

Anyone following the Blago trial?
http://cbs2chicago.com/breakingnewsalerts/Key.prosecution.witness.2.1765302.html

"I'd like to get the ******* out of here," Blagojevich said on one of the tapes, recorded the morning after Obama won the 2008 presidential election. "The objective is to get a good gig over there," meaning D.C.


Harris said that he and Blagojevich rehearsed how they would broach the subject of a deal to appoint Jarrett to the seat in exchange for a cabinet appointment or ambassadorship for Blagojevich. He testified that Blagojevich planned to float the names of some other potential candidates for the Senate seat to use as leverage for a deal with Obama.

Blagojevich could tell the Obama administration that he was considering appointing Lisa Madigan to the seat to get her father to stop blocking his political agenda in Springfield.


ain't freedom of the press a @#$ch, blago:haha:
Jury Hears Talks Of Effort To Stop Negative Chicago Tribune Editorials

Prosecutors also played a tape in which Blagojevich tells Harris that he needs the Chicago Tribune to stop publishing editorials criticizing him and calling for his removal from office.

In the tape, Blagojevich can be heard saying "our recommendation is fire all those *******in' people. Get 'em the ******* out of there and get us some editorial support."

[Snestorm]

Nothing like freedom of speech, eh?

Having people fired for speaking their minds, in an editorial.:
Could this dirtbag be prosecuted for Civil Rights Violations?

[AVGWarhawk]

You will see Obama testifying before long.......

[nikimcbee]

There was an interesting show on the history of the Chicago mob. It didn't take too long before the show was talking about Daily and Rezko:haha:. Now, who was it that has close ties to rezko again?:hmmm: His name eludes me?:hmmm::har:

[AVGWarhawk]

Oh yes, Rezko is already in the big house. BO was good buddies with Rezko. Like I said...BO will be taking the stand.

[nikimcbee]

I need to get 1480 back here to post on this.:D

[nikimcbee]

Atleast Bubba was entertaining, chasing all those chicks:haha:.

[gimpy117]

look at your own party dudes, 2001-2009 the corruption went all the way to the top.

[nikimcbee]

look at your own party dudes, 2001-2009 the corruption went all the way to the top.

Here take another sip of your oil laden koolaid. Enjoy!

[Buddahaid]

They are all corrupt. Politician equals corruption and we all are drinking oily Kool-Aide. Stop the useless bickering over who's team is number one because they're all number two. :D

[Snestorm]

USA's corruption is bi-partisan.

[Platapus]

USA's corruption is bi-partisan.

It is about the only thing the Republicans and Democrats can agree upon it seems. :nope:

I wonder if there has ever been an elected government with political parties that was not filled with corruption?

Maybe there is no escaping it?

[gimpy117]

USA's corruption is bi-partisan.

Agree about that one. I just don't like finger pointing. Pot calling the kettle and what not.

[August]

Agree about that one. I just don't like finger pointing. Pot calling the kettle and what not.


You didn't seem to have a problem doing just that in the Reagan thread. Now that the subject is a Democrat suddenly you've developed an aversion to finger pointing? :roll:

[gimpy117]

You didn't seem to have a problem doing just that in the Reagan thread. Now that the subject is a Democrat suddenly you've developed an aversion to finger pointing? :roll:

I didn't start the topic so...

besides theres a difference between criticizing a non shared behavior and doing it for something that is mutual

[nikimcbee]

It is about the only thing the Republicans and Democrats can agree upon it seems. :nope:

I wonder if there has ever been an elected government with political parties that was not filled with corruption?

Maybe there is no escaping it?

That's a good question.:hmmm: I guess it's one thing to have one rotten egg. (nixon?), but that whole city is corrupt from stem to stern. I suppose a third party would be nice, but it seems like that just guarantees one party rule, because it splits the opposing party. (see Perot, Nader) Any whoo, I think this trial will expose what absolute one party rule gives us. IMO, some of the principles behind the Constitution were to prevent absolute rule by one group.

[nikimcbee]

Another good example of this kind of corruption, is Portland, OR:haha:. These guys get what they deserve.

Maybe a side question off Platypus, are there any big, metro/urban areas that aren't hotbeds of political corruption? If there are, I wonder what is different between them and the corrupt urban areas?

[Platapus]

Well if you want to see corruption, head to the local government level. :yep:

[August]

Perot and Nader failed because they represented the dissatisfied wings of their respective parties. I think for a third party to be successful in the US it would need to draw it's support equally from the centrists of both sides.

[Platapus]

A nice moderate party? I might just join that :yeah:

Of course, currently we have three "Third parties" in the United States and have had them for a while

Constitution Party (the third largest political party in the US by the way)
Green Party
Libertarian Party

and those are just the big "third parties" if you want to consider the smaller "third parties" we have a bunch of them

American First Party
America's Independent Party
American Patriot Party
The American Party
Independent American Party
Prohibition Party
Working Families Party
The New Party
Labor Party
Socialist Party USA
Communist Party USA
Socialist Labor Party
Party for Socialism and Liberation
Progressive Labor Party
Socialist Equality Party
Socialist Workers Party
World Socialist Party of the United States
Workers Party, USA
Workers World Party
Centrist Party
Independence Party of America
Modern Whig Party
Reform Party of the United States of America

It is not that we don't have a "third party" it is more like we have too many "third parties" that can't get organized.

[August]

It is not that we don't have a "third party" it is more like we have too many "third parties" that can't get organized.

None of which have a broad political spectrum appeal. That's key.

[Zachstar]

Third parties do not have appeal because they bring little to the table.

Libertarians? The "freedoms" they want to give to business would cause chaos and loss of dignity that would cause the market to skyrocket for a year or two then crash beyond belief when the laws are reinstated by an angry low paid and abused worker populace.

Green party? Exists almost solely to spoil elections that is about it...

Prohibition? That is it? And take away people's beer again and there will be riots in my opinion.

For instance if I made a party that fits perfectly my views that MASSIVE money ought to be spent on technology development. That wont sit well with teachers about to lose their jobs or a corporation that decides it needs to pay even less taxes and more freedom to outsource.

[nikimcbee]

The saga continues...
http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/blagojevich-on-trial/2010/06/complaining-about-demigod-obama.html#more

http://swampland.blogs.time.com/2010/06/30/faced-with-the-blagojevich-scandal-did-barack-obama-tell-the-whole-truth/?xid=rss-topstories

Blagojevich speculates also about creating a non-profit advocacy group where he would go work. He tells Scofield he is thinking of asking (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opiUSeayXwQ&feature=related)Chicago (http://www.nbcchicago.com/topics?topic=Chicago) billionaire (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opiUSeayXwQ&feature=related)JB Pritzker (http://www.nbcchicago.com/topics?topic=JB+Pritzker) to help him fund it, in exchange for naming Pritzker to the Senate seat. He speaks of needing $10-15 million.


Source: (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opiUSeayXwQ&feature=related)http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/Blagojevich-Me-Being-Senator-Would-Be-Obamas-Worst-Nightmare.html#ixzz0sOSOCx00
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=opiUSeayXwQ&feature=related)