View Full Version : 3 reasons Ubisoft's DRM is good
GoldenRivet
06-23-10, 05:11 AM
I hadnt thought of it this way... watch this whole video to discover the three reasons Ubisoft was right and we were all wrong
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m5lQ-9reiLU&feature=grec_browse
sorry if its a repost
krashkart
06-23-10, 05:15 AM
I don't care if it's a repost or not GR, I'm still chuckling good over it. :har::rock:
scratch81
06-23-10, 07:18 AM
too funny
Actually, I feel very sorry for those who in the 21 century have a faulty net connection like in that video. Even those who live in Pitcairn have better net connectivity. It's sad ... really sad :(
ironic sarcasm is too sweet sometimes!
Placoderm
06-23-10, 09:09 AM
Actually, I feel very sorry for those who in the 21 century have a faulty net connection like in that video. Even those who live in Pitcairn have better net connectivity. It's sad ... really sad :(
And Actually, I feel very sorry for those who in the 21 century apparently still live in their parents basement without a clue as to the difficulties that others may face both financially and logistically. Even those who live in Pitcairn have a better sense of empathy for what others may face...but then again they also have to pay their own bills and perhaps travel for business so that they realize that not everyone has magically unlimited net connectivity. It's sad ... really sad that some of us suffer from such self-centered myopia :(
:shifty:
Sailor Steve
06-23-10, 09:10 AM
The joke is good, and I laughed, but I still don't care how good the connection is. Even if it's perfect it's still immoral.
:hmmm:Glad some body put the record straight:D :har:
Oh mattdizzle won't like this thread one bit. You guys are in trouble.
the_tyrant
06-23-10, 10:42 AM
I can understand why Ubisoft is doing this though
back then Ubisoft didn't use any form of copy protection for silent hunter, and lots of people pirated the game. DRM if you really think about it its just like a door lock, I have never heard of anyone complaining about the fact that their houses came with locks. So why should we complain about DRM？
I can understand why Ubisoft is doing this though
back then Ubisoft didn't use any form of copy protection for silent hunter, and lots of people pirated the game. DRM if you really think about it its just like a door lock, I have never heard of anyone complaining about the fact that their houses came with locks. So why should we complain about DRM？
Noooo, don't go that way!!
And now, even if Ubi would release SHV without DRM, nobody would want to pirate it... LOL.
DRM if you really think about it its just like a door lock, I have never heard of anyone complaining about the fact that their houses came with locks. So why should we complain about DRM?
DRM is not like a door lock. It's more like having to contact the locksmith and waiting for his permission, everytime you want to enter your own home.
the_tyrant
06-23-10, 11:49 AM
DRM is not like locks on a house. It's more like having to contact the locksmith and waiting for his permission, everytime you want to enter your own home.
I thought about it, A lock protects your own property. The thing is, DRM is protecting Ubisoft's Intellectual property while wasting our system resources. And i used google and found tons of working cracks anyways. So DRM is simply annoying us
FIREWALL
06-23-10, 11:59 AM
Which one of you was the geek in the blue t-shirt ? :har:
SteamWake
06-23-10, 05:09 PM
The pedo bears in the spore segment made my drink come out my nose :haha::har:
Sailor Steve
06-23-10, 05:32 PM
I thought about it, A lock protects your own property. The thing is, DRM is protecting Ubisoft's Intellectual property while wasting our system resources. And i used google and found tons of working cracks anyways. So DRM is simply annoying us
You need to read the rules here. While it's true, and everybody knows it, Subsim has a working relationship with the game companies and certain things are verboten.
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the_tyrant
06-23-10, 05:46 PM
You need to read the rules here. While it's true, and everybody knows it, Subsim has a working relationship with the game companies and certain things are verboten.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/faq.php?faq=vb_faq#faq_rules2_faq_item
Sorry, I didn't read the rules
Madox58
06-23-10, 06:04 PM
Sorry, I didn't read the rules
Here's your next Avatar then!
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/keelhauled.jpg
:har:
Sailor Steve
06-23-10, 06:51 PM
Here's your next Avatar then!
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n12/privateer_2006/keelhauled.jpg
:har:
And you would know, wouldn't you.
:rotfl2:
Madox58
06-23-10, 07:06 PM
:haha:
Yes Sir!
I do know!
:salute:
That makes me one of the few 'Official' SubSim Zombies don't it?
:hmmm:
:har:
Ducimus
06-23-10, 07:10 PM
Hey, thats MY avatar! :woot:
Infact it was mine for the better part of 2009! That makes me the best zombie of subsim 2009!
Madox58
06-23-10, 07:16 PM
We must start an
'Official SubSim Zombies' Club!
Only those who had this Avatar at sometime are allowed Members.
:haha:
I know You, Me, and I think, Dowley, make it in?
:har:
Sailor Steve
06-23-10, 09:57 PM
It would be improper for me to mention names out of turn, but a longstanding official here actually once had that avatar.
But lessons are learned, people grow and go on to do great things. :rock:
FIREWALL
06-23-10, 10:18 PM
I guess I qualify. :haha:
...and lots of people pirated the game...
Pure nonsense... show us the real numbers that backup that pirate claim.
Pure nonsense... show us the real numbers that backup that pirate claim.
Is true, but we r not allowed to talk about here. Never understood why, but that's the rule.
Is true, but we r not allowed to talk about here. Never understood why, but that's the rule.
You are not supposed to talk about pirating, or give information that supports cracking like the .ini "mod/fix" for SHV. As long as it stayed on legal grounds, the moderators here have in worst case moved it to the general discussions area.
Of course solid information about the effects of piracy would be most welcome, especially for the SH series products. However, as more than one study in the past concluded, it is a very tough subject and unambiguous conclusions are hard to come by. Especially relations between "downloads", and "lost sales" are pure speculation, and downloads can also lead to new sales.
Here's some more references that I found (don't remember when and where), but are worth reading in detail if you want to start understanding the complexities, and what makes it so easy for companies to use this as a default excuse for product failures:
http://www.ipi.org/IPI/IPIPublications.nsf/PublicationLookupFullText/23F5FF3E9D8AA79786257369005B0C79
http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2010/04/us-government-finally-admits-most-piracy-estimates-are-bogus.ars
As far as I'm aware there is still no crack for sh5 v1.2 available. Causes of this I guess are unknown, but might be pretty fair that crackers felt too lazy to mess with it once again lol. Shoot me for mentioning the word "CRACK" but drm seems to be holding upperhand at least for now.
As far as I'm aware there is still no crack for sh5 v1.2 available. Causes of this I guess are unknown, but might be pretty fair that crackers felt too lazy to mess with it once again lol. Shoot me for mentioning the word "CRACK" but drm seems to be holding upperhand at least for now.Done
krashkart
06-24-10, 07:36 AM
Whoopsie! For any of ye scurvy newbs here, learn from what just happened to GMU. Don't repeat his mistake. ;)
Ours is not to question why. Ours is but to do or die.
Is true, but we r not allowed to talk about here. Never understood why, but that's the rule.
the rule, rules! :rock:
talk no more!... I'm back to my zombeeee stuff :yawn:
Iron Budokan
06-24-10, 01:31 PM
Heh. :O:
We were somewhat overdue on a reminder of Ubi´s stupid version of DRM.
Once Ubi removed the star force DRM, I bought a second DRM-free SH3 copy. It lives on my hard drive and the disk is on the shelf. All I need is to click on the desktop icon and SH3 starts loading. :salute:
sabretwo
06-24-10, 10:22 PM
I haven't been in the SH5 threads for a while. Too bad UBI is still holding to their guns. At least they get points for perseverance.
That said, still no money out of my wallet. Until they drop the asinine constant connection requirement I will not buy another UBI product (including the two UBI wii games my kids begged me to buy for them). So far UBI is out at least $130 from me. Maybe they made that $130 back from some former pirates that now bought their games.
Personally, I think its sad so many people caved in and bought the game. Every sale was just reinforcement for UBI's position and encouragement for other developers to follow suit.
The whole thing is very sad. A short while back I was an avid UBI supporter and fan. Now, I wouldn't piss on their headquarters if it was on fire.
Personally, I think its sad so many people caved in and bought the game. Every sale was just reinforcement for UBI's position and encouragement for other developers to follow suit.
I agree, somehow I had expected that more people had higher principles, but it seems modern generations don't care about that anymore. Anyway, Ubisoft has chosen this route, and it will soon show how real the damage by piracy was. If their products are now cracked and distributed less, and much later than the first release dates, the common "downloads theory" would require their sales to "sky-rock" now (well, at least they should be able to measure a lower number of hacked downloads now, and correlate that with an increase in sales, if their theory is not entirely flawed). In about a year or two, we will see whether they were right -- and so many other companies that follow them suit as well. Or whether a few companies now do serious harm to themselves and proof that the customers turned away because they didn't provide quality and service anymore.
sabretwo
06-25-10, 05:59 AM
....If their products are now cracked and distributed less, and much later than the first release dates, the common "downloads theory" would require their sales to "sky-rock" now (well, at least they should be able to measure a lower number of hacked downloads now, and correlate that with an increase in sales, if their theory is not entirely flawed). In about a year or two, we will see whether they were right -- and so many other companies that follow them suit as well. Or whether a few companies now do serious harm to themselves and proof that the customers turned away because they didn't provide quality and service anymore.
You're right. Maybe one good thing out of this mess is we finally have case examples and data sets to help quantify the true loss owing to piracy.
My hypothesis:
A. The true number of lost sales in relation to pirate downloads will be far less than anyone thinks. I strongly suspect that few former pirates and torrent trolls will now buy the games that they previously downloaded illegally...especially games like SH that appeal to a rather limited audience.
B. If "A" is proven true, UBI will not release that data. If "A" is true, than UBI's DRM was nothing in the end but a colossal inconvenience for the gaming community.
Time will tell for sure. For now, there's SH3, SH4, and plenty of games from other developers out there. I hear Shogun 2: Total War is on the horizon now.
Well it could take a year or more before a DRM free version is available, if one doesn't come out so be it, I'm not that bothered not playing it anyway!:yep:
Rockin Robbins
06-25-10, 10:17 AM
And Ubi hasn't figured out that profits all come from people who buy the game. People who don't buy the game are the ones they are concerned with and they'll never pay Ubi a penny, DRM or no DRM. What a shame! And Ubi SHOULD be ashamed.
Maybe they made that $130 back from some former pirates that now bought their games.
See paragraph 1. Pirates don't buy games. They steal them or go without. Either way they contribute nothing to a game company. They aren't worth the time to punish your paying customers for their actions.
Guys...lets drop the piracy discussion!
Nisgeis
06-25-10, 04:48 PM
No one has any data.
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