The President has a new enemy...

[GoldenRivet]

Arizona

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/politics/Amid-crises_-Obama-declares-war----on-Arizona-96839529.html

Federal Government Sues Arizona over State Law.



And informs Arizona, formally, via Ecuadorian Television :doh:

[Seth8530]

Seems like another swipe at State's rights to me. First the offshore drilling ban and now the FEDERAL gov is suing a STATE government because it passed a law that interferes with the presidents agenda. If i was the governor of Arizona i would defend the legislation with national guard troops if necessary. Those soldiers are the state's troops not the fed govs!

[thorn69]

Why are people so against Arizona enacting its right to create tougher laws on immigration? Nobody said crap about Missouri getting tough on immigration back in 2008. Missouri's immigration laws are even tougher than the one that Arizona just passed! Check out the state laws in Missouri... It's a crime to transport, employ, house, feed, etc any illegal immigrant in the state of Missouri. They will even fine or shut down employers and companies that give jobs to illegal immigrants.

The federal government will lose their case because all Arizona has to say is, "So, it's o.k. for Missouri to establish and enforce tougher immigration laws, but not us?".

What pisses me off the most here is that the federal government means tax dollars will be used to fight this court battle out. Even Arizonian tax payers will be paying the federal government to turn around and sue them with their own tax dollars! How ridiculous is that! American tax payers should stand up and protest this BS in their streets and outside Obama's window at the white house.

"NO WAY!!! WE WON'T PAY!!!" :stare:

[krashkart]

The administration really has its hands full these days. I don't have a problem with Arizona's new laws, as long as they are enforced appropriately. The controversy surrounding the laws is what upsets me. There should be less effort expended on expressing outrage about it and more put into learning about it. Then pick out the juicy points of contention.

BTW, anybody have a link to those laws? I usually don't look into these things but I'm curious now. :ping:

[MrYenko]

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

The shrill screams of racism and profiling are from people who have never bothered to read it, and are relying on the Democrat party's pocket shills in the media to maintain the illusion that the bill is something that, by its own text, it clearly is not.

Another day in Washington, really. :nope:

[Weiss Pinguin]

Federal Government Sues Arizona over State Law.
Out of curiosity, how often does this sort of thing happen/how many times has it happened? :hmmm: Not knowing a thing about it, it seems a little extreme.

[MrYenko]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sovereign_immunity_in_the_United_States

[krashkart]

http://www.azleg.gov/legtext/49leg/2r/bills/sb1070s.pdf

The shrill screams of racism and profiling are from people who have never bothered to read it, and are relying on the Democrat party's pocket shills in the media to maintain the illusion that the bill is something that, by its own text, it clearly is not.

Another day in Washington, really. :nope:

Thank you MrYenko. :salute:

[Snestorm]

It would be easy to say that you have an Idiot in The White House.
But I think a more accurate title would be Traitor.

They know exactly what they are doing in delibeately HOLDING that border open.

[krashkart]

The term I use is 'Doofus' -- or 'doofii' when referring to Washington as a larger entity. Calling him a traitor is a bit rash for me at this point. I'll let history sort that one out. :DL

[Zachstar]

Ahh good the bad state of Arizona will now get to prove that the law isn't racist and something other than "Show me your papers"

[Tribesman]

Why are people so against Arizona enacting its right to create tougher laws on immigration?
Because the law ain't gonna work and is just about impossible to enforce without violating civil rights. Which also makes it unconstitutional so that means the ferderal government has to take action against it.

The shrill screams of racism and profiling are from people who have never bothered to read it
Well done, thats the second time someone has done that:har::har::har::har:

[krashkart]

Well done, thats the second time someone has done that:har::har::har::har:

It's so true that it made me chuckle a bit. I must have missed the first one, though. :)

[Tribesman]

It's so true that it made me chuckle a bit. I must have missed the first one, though.
The first one was even funnier as they provided that same link, then after some ridicule provided the new legislation in a second link yet insisted the first link was really the same as the second link and that it was the second link they posted first.:rotfl2:

[Platapus]

If the Arizona is so sure its law is constitutional, why is Arizona concerned about getting sued by the Federal Government?

If people on this forum are also convinced that the Arizona law is constitutional, why get upset if it is challenged.

Let the case go to trial and let the judicial system decide. That's how things are SUPPOSED to work in this country. :yep:

If there is a disagreement between states and the federal government, we don't take up arms (as has been suggested in this forum). Civilized governments bring their disagreements to the judicial system and each side is allowed to present their case. No violence, no rioting :nope:

People get spun up here way too easy. :yep:

[krashkart]

^^ Thank you. A breath of fresh air. :03:

[Tribesman]

If there is a disagreement between states and the federal government, we don't take up arms (as has been suggested in this forum).
But Obama is going to bring in martial law, cancel elections, open the borders and going to force all hispanics to vote for him in canceled elections under martial law that might also be sharia law as he is foriegn and a muslim as well as being a traitor and a communist who is under big business and the global media conspiracy...so really there is no choice but to take up arms

[August]

I would note that despite threats made to foreign governments, as of yet the Federal government has not sued Arizona. Personally I think they won't lest they get defeated.

[Tribesman]

I would note that despite threats made to foreign governments
What threats to foreign governments?
as of yet the Federal government has not sued Arizona
As of yet???????regarding a law that is not yet in force where the its a case of apply pressure and wait and see how much more they will rewrite it to try and avoid the inevitable law suits.
Yet????? then attempt to impliment it in a way which doesn't violate the constitution and national supremacy.

As of yet?????? The State legislature hasn't even worked out how to train its law enforcement personel to try and apply the upcoming law without running into a constitutional mess.
So as of yet as the law isn't fully enacted and hasn't been applied the US cannot sue on grounds of discrimination of civil rights commited under execution of that law because there are not any until the State tries to use that law.

Personally I think they won't lest they get defeated.
:har::har::har::har::har:
On what grounds?
Its only gonna take one citizen of hispanic descent to bring Arizonss tough posturing crashing down on the States finances.

[tater]

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=e9d_1277233003

McCarthy (prosecutor of the 1993 Trade Center bombing) says that the best critique of this law could well be that it makes it HARDER for AZ to enforce existing law since it is more restrictive than federal law on law enforcement.

[SteamWake]

If the Arizona is so sure its law is constitutional, why is Arizona concerned about getting sued by the Federal Government?

If people on this forum are also convinced that the Arizona law is constitutional, why get upset if it is challenged.

Let the case go to trial and let the judicial system decide. That's how things are SUPPOSED to work in this country. :yep:

If there is a disagreement between states and the federal government, we don't take up arms (as has been suggested in this forum). Civilized governments bring their disagreements to the judicial system and each side is allowed to present their case. No violence, no rioting :nope:

People get spun up here way too easy. :yep:

So a state enacts a law to allow them to enforce the Federal law and the Fed's seek to sue them over it.. yes... makes perfect sense to me.

[tater]

I'm not concerned about the federal lawsuit, it's just that it is a waste of money, and shows that the feds would rather spend money to fight enforcement of federal laws than to enforce them. It's not concern, it's anger at priorities.

The Dept. of Labor is now spending our tax dollars to pay for ads to tell illegals that the Dept. of Labor will fight for their right to get paid "every cent they deserve" for work. Again, the feds are going to spend money and effort to hunt down employers—and make them give illegals a raise! The dept. of labor should be taking the employers to jail for hiring illegals, and coming in with INS to deport the workers.

It's pure insanity. Boggles the mind.

[Task Force]

Hmm. Im guessing this is that change he was talking about.

[Weiss Pinguin]

Hmm. Im guessing this is that change he was talking about.
Any change is good change right? :yeah:

[GoldenRivet]

But Obama is going to bring in martial law, cancel elections, open the borders and going to force all hispanics to vote for him in canceled elections under martial law that might also be sharia law as he is foriegn and a muslim as well as being a traitor and a communist who is under big business and the global media conspiracy...so really there is no choice but to take up arms


uhh, are you insane?

No... hes not. I already posted an article explaining about ten reasons he cant do this :06:

@ platapus... its not about the state worrying about whether or not its law is unconstitutional - its about being informed of the suit by a foreign news service.

this president doesn't even have the decency to communicate the suit to the state by normal means before breaking it to .... ECUADOR.

[nikimcbee]

Darth Hillary will take on those waskally Arizonans
http://thomasvickers.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/hillary-vader.jpg

[nikimcbee]

When I first read the title, I thought it was going to be about how HRC might run in 2012.:haha:

[Weiss Pinguin]

When I first read the title, I thought it was going to be about how HRC might run in 2012.:haha:
http://img295.imageshack.us/img295/9104/clinton20can20has20pres.jpg

[Tribesman]

uhh, are you insane?

Just having a wingnut moment:up:

its not about the state worrying about whether or not its law is unconstitutional - its about being informed of the suit by a foreign news service.
It was in the news that the State law would be challenged by the United States at the time the bill was passed, it was very widely covered so its bull to claim that this report from Equador is the first time they have been informed of what is going to happen.

So a state enacts a law to allow them to enforce the Federal law
No a State passed a State law, after the penalties for violating the State law have been fully served(which is not likely to happen) then the federal government steps in and enforces federal law (which isn't going to happen as besides the legal technicalities regarding the constitutionality of the State enforcement there is also the issue that Arizona will never be able to hand over any illegals to anyone due to its own silly law)

[tater]

If it scares illegals out of AZ, AZ wins. Illegals are a HUGE problem for AZ.

The coverage that makes the law seem draconian actually helps AZ.

[thorn69]

The point that some people are missing here is that illegals are doing EXACTLY what they intended to do all along - Cripple the United States and show the world that a giant can be brought down to his knees by using his own strengths against him and without firing a single shot.

These people are making a mockery of our current laws and using loophole justice to have their way in this country. When somebody calls them out on this, they are quick to retort that you're being a racist. Unfortunately, our racism laws are stricter than our immigration laws. We would rather see our country overrun by illegals than to trespass on their feelings of self worth.

What needs to be done? Simple. We need to eradicate these people from our country by using any means necessary. America is just going to have to accept it's going to have to look like a hypocrite to the rest of the world for getting violently tough with these people. But it's the only way to get these people out of our country. Just think about it.

Jailing these people does nothing but place a larger dept on tax payers. And once they get out of jail they come right back, so the cycle repeats itself. So why feed, bath, cloth, and medicate these "illegal" invaders? America needs to go back to its roots and get downright violent once again! Remember the native American? I sure don't. That's how effective violence can be and what should be done here.

Playing "bleeding heart" liberal towards criminal invaders is not something I can stomach seeing much longer. It's not solving anything, it's making matters worse, and it's just prolonging the inevitable from happening anyways. Eventually all American's will feel the way I do about this because there's really nothing else that can be done when you think about it. It's that big of a problem right now. Years of neglecting immigration enforcement has allowed the gangrene to set in. Now it's time to chop off the leg before it's too late! It's either that or stand by to be conquered through loophole justice that allowed one foreign nation to use another nations own laws and rules against them. It will be something the kids in other nations will be laughing about for centuries to come when they read about how the USA fell by leaving it's own backdoor wide open.

Seriously, people in this country need to grow a pair and stand up for their country again!

[Takeda Shingen]

The point that some people are missing here is that illegals are doing EXACTLY what they intended to do all along - Cripple the United States and show the world that a giant can be brought down to his knees by using his own strengths against him and without firing a single shot.

These people are making a mockery of our current laws and using loophole justice to have their way in this country. When somebody calls them out on this, they are quick to retort that you're being a racist. Unfortunately, our racism laws are stricter than our immigration laws. We would rather see our country overrun by illegals than to trespass on their feelings of self worth.

What needs to be done? Simple. We need to eradicate these people from our country by using any means necessary. America is just going to have to accept it's going to have to look like a hypocrite to the rest of the world for getting violently tough with these people. But it's the only way to get these people out of our country. Just think about it.

Jailing these people does nothing but place a larger dept on tax payers. And once they get out of jail they come right back, so the cycle repeats itself. So why feed, bath, cloth, and medicate these "illegal" invaders? America needs to go back to its roots and get downright violent once again! Remember the native American? I sure don't. That's how effective violence can be and what should be done here.

Playing "bleeding heart" liberal towards criminal invaders is not something I can stomach seeing much longer. It's not solving anything, it's making matters worse, and it's just prolonging the inevitable from happening anyways. Eventually all American's will feel the way I do about this because there's really nothing else that can be done when you think about it. It's that big of a problem right now. Years of neglecting immigration enforcement has allowed the gangrene to set in. Now it's time to chop off the leg before it's too late! It's either that or stand by to be conquered through loophole justice that allowed one foreign nation to use another nations own laws and rules against them. It will be something the kids in other nations will be laughing about for centuries to come when they read about how the USA fell by leaving it's own backdoor wide open.

Seriously, people in this country need to grow a pair and stand up for their country again!

So you think that this is a massive conspiracy perpetrated by the Mexican government? Furthermore, you prescribe genocide as a solution, holding the attrocities levied upon the Native Americans as model?

[Tribesman]

What needs to be done? Simple. We need to eradicate these people from our country by using any means necessary.
Is that just insane or criminally insane?

[Tchocky]

You guys are misinterpreting thorn. "Any means necessary" just means buses or taxis or very long tandem bicycles. Nothing sinister.

[Platapus]

So a state enacts a law to allow them to enforce the Federal law and the Fed's seek to sue them over it.. yes... makes perfect sense to me.

Good, then there is nothing to get spun up about.

[Snestorm]

So you think that this is a massive conspiracy perpetrated by the Mexican government? Furthermore, you prescribe genocide as a solution, holding the attrocities levied upon the Native Americans as model?

Genocide was not presented as the solution, but rather the problem.
Population replacement.

[Ducimus]

Can't the goverment and this administration find something better to do? They're supposed to be safeguarding the American People! I got an idea, lets take an overseas base or two left over from the cold war, and position them right on the border.

This would be sweet, safeguarding the nation from drugs, cartels, illegals, and providing jobs, all at the same time!

http://media.cnsnews.com/resources/59102.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2540/3961966162_242187bc10.jpg

http://www.greenkorea.org/zb/icon/member_image_box/22/gkreport05_0102.jpg

Yes im serious, we need a big honking fence with a ton of C wire.

[thorn69]

Genocide was not presented as the solution, but rather the problem.
Population replacement.


EXACTLY! :yeah:


Besides, it's not genocide to eradicate ILLEGAL INVADERS off your land.

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Definition:

Genocide is the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.


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1. It has nothing to do with ethnicity or race because there are illegal Canadians and Arabs living in this country as well that need to be eradicated. People seem to think that its only Hispanics. Nope. There are other ethnic and racial groups as well. So it wouldn't be considered genocide because not one group of people would be targeted.



2. It has nothing to do with religion either.



3. And ILLEGALS are not part of a national group - other than criminal and that doesn't count.

[krashkart]

You're not advocating actually killing people, are you? I'm not quite understanding your angle. :hmmm:

[August]

Seriously, people in this country need to grow a pair and stand up for their country again!

You're right, so how do we get rid of racists like you? :down:

[Snestorm]

You're right, so how do we get rid of racists like you? :down:

I don't see the "racism".

[thorn69]

You're right, so how do we get rid of racists like you? :down:

First off, I'm a legal US citizen. I'm also a veteran. This is MY country. I am not being racist by wanting to protect what's mine! If a criminal moved into YOUR house, ate your food, impregnated your daughter, didn't pay you crap for any of it and left you to foot his bill, would you be all peachy about that? I didn't think so.

[thorn69]

You're not advocating actually killing people, are you? I'm not quite understanding your angle. :hmmm:

If that's what it takes to get them out then that's what it takes. Do you have a better solution? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like it's going to be them or us! There really is no other option. We've tried peace and peace isn't working. The only other alternative is to get downright violent about it. People seem to react a little faster when guns start popping out.

[Takeda Shingen]

Genocide was not presented as the solution, but rather the problem.
Population replacement.

Ah okay. I'll need to fetch my foil hat out of the basement then. I didn't know I'd be needing it today. That damn New World Order is at it again, eh?

[Subnuts]

Stop dancing around the "eradication" bit and tell us what your solution is. Should we throw illegal immigrants in a ditch, fill it with gasoline, and throw a match? Tie them to posts and use them for bayonet practice? Perform medical experiments on them, and then shoot them in the back of the head?

Or do you just plan on "eradicating" them? :nope:

[Takeda Shingen]

If that's what it takes to get them out then that's what it takes. Do you have a better solution? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like it's going to be them or us! There really is no other option. We've tried peace and peace isn't working. The only other alternative is to get downright violent about it. People seem to react a little faster when guns start popping out.

They tried this in the past, during a little crisis now known as The Inquisition. It was wholy ineffective, and only served to further erode the power of those it was meant to protect. Or do you intend to accomplish this as a vigilante, with death squads and all that?

EDIT: I wonder if Homeland Security is reading this thread yet.

[krashkart]

If that's what it takes to get them out then that's what it takes. Do you have a better solution? Because from where I'm sitting, it looks like it's going to be them or us! There really is no other option. We've tried peace and peace isn't working. The only other alternative is to get downright violent about it. People seem to react a little faster when guns start popping out.

Yeah, gunshots do have a way of grabbing attention. The last thing we need right now though is a minuteman army that's brimming with rage. I can totally understand where you're coming from, but if anything it would do our country a lot more harm than good. Look at it this way: if American citizens took up arms and started gunning down illegal immigrants, wouldn't that play right into the hands of the people who really, really hate America? Al Jazeera, Iran, Venezuela, every detractor to the American way of life would have a field day with that! Something should indeed be done, but not that way. :rotfl2:

[thorn69]

Stop dancing around the "eradication" bit and tell us what your solution is. Should we throw illegal immigrants in a ditch, fill it with gasoline, and throw a match? Tie them to posts and use them for bayonet practice? Perform medical experiments on them, and then shoot them in the back of the head?

Or do you just plan on "eradicating" them? :nope:

You give them an alternative - Go back to your homeland. You have 30 days to do so. If you don't we will have no choice but to execute you by firing squad. If you come back here, there will be no 30 day grace period. Instant execution on the spot.

[Stealth Hunter]

The shrill screams of racism and profiling are from people who have never bothered to read it,

So it's kind of like the health care reform bill.:yep:

[August]

First off, I'm a legal US citizen. I'm also a veteran. This is MY country. I am not being racist by wanting to protect what's mine! If a criminal moved into YOUR house, ate your food, impregnated your daughter, didn't pay you crap for any of it and left you to foot his bill, would you be all peachy about that? I didn't think so.

So what? I'm a US citizen born and raised, and a veteran too, so this is every bit my country as it is yours and if you actually do try to carry out your threat to eradicate human beings then i'd be happy to sit on your jury and vote to put you in a little tiny cell for the next 70-80 years. So hows about that Mr "Veteran"?

[Snestorm]

Ah okay. I'll need to fetch my foil hat out of the basement then. I didn't know I'd be needing it today. That damn New World Order is at it again, eh?

You'll look a-bit silly dressed like that but, enjoy yourself.

[Subnuts]

You give them an alternative - Go back to your homeland. You have 30 days to do so. If you don't we will have no choice but to execute you by firing squad. If you come back here, there will be no 30 day grace period. Instant execution on the spot.

So how does one go about recruiting these 21st century Einsatzkommandoes?

[Morts]

You give them an alternative - Go back to your homeland. You have 30 days to do so. If you don't we will have no choice but to execute you by firing squad. If you come back here, there will be no 30 day grace period. Instant execution on the spot.
you're one sick and twisted person:down:

[Platapus]

Remember the native American? I sure don't. That's how effective violence can be and what should be done here.



Wow. You and I are not of the same culture. :nope:

I always wondered what they meant in my oath "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

You must be what they were referring to as a domestic enemy.

Now I know.

[krashkart]

Remember the native American? I sure don't. That's how effective violence can be and what should be done here.

Take a hike, brother. This here is race traitor territory. :shifty:

[thorn69]

Wow. You and I are not of the same culture. :nope:

I always wondered what they meant in my oath "support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic."

You must be what they were referring to as a domestic enemy.

Now I know.


Exactly! "Support and defend the CONSTITUTION"! Not the ILLEGAL immigrant! :roll:

And where exactly does it state in the US constitution that ILLEGAL immigrants have any rights at all? I sure don't see it written anywhere!

And why are US tax payer dollars being used to defend these ILLEGAL people in an effort to allow them to stay here? Where in the US constitution does it state they have a right to a fair and speedy trial or a lawyer for that matter? Those are rights reserved for US citizens and people with the proper credentials to be here.

You don't seem to realize that THEY are the enemy! They are trespassing on YOUR land and stealing YOUR money!

I'm sorry, but when the deer eats your crops do you just except that and starve or do you reach for the 12-gauge and save your crops? This is really no different.

We've offered these people chance after chance after chance to do the right thing and get registered to be here legally but they've refused and only helped more and more illegals invade this country. We are being invaded. We know this and yet we still refuse to do anything about it. Instead, people are excepting it and willing to watch everything their ancestors fought and died for be stolen from them and erased through a form of genocide called "population replacement".

We either allow them to crowd and sink our boat or we kick them out by any means necessary to save the ones that have a legitimate pass to be onboard!

[Tribesman]

So it wouldn't be considered genocide because not one group of people would be targeted.

So that explains it, you are simply insane.

[thorn69]

So that explains it, you are simply insane.

But Obama is going to bring in martial law, cancel elections, open the borders and going to force all hispanics to vote for him in canceled elections under martial law that might also be sharia law as he is foriegn and a muslim as well as being a traitor and a communist who is under big business and the global media conspiracy...so really there is no choice but to take up arms

You sure do seem to be the pot calling the kettle black! :shifty:

[Platapus]

And where exactly does it state in the US constitution that ILLEGAL immigrants have any rights at all? I sure don't see it written anywhere!



The reason you don't understand is that you are ignorant of how laws and policy are made in the United States. The Constitution only serves as a basis for our laws, policies, rules, and regulations. In researching the applicable laws, policies, rules, and regulations you start with the Constitution, not end there.

In order to understand this issue, it will be necessary for you to educate yourself on the Appellate and Supreme Court decisions (both state and local) concerning the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. Two cases which would be a good start for you would be

United States v Wong Kim Ark, 169 US. 649 (1898)

Plyler v Doe, 457 US 202 (1982)

As they both address (differently) the case of non-citizens having rights.

I would recommend also that you spend some time learning about the different court interpretations of Equal Protection Clause also of the 14th Amendment.

After you do that, I am sure you will learn that this is not a dichotomous issue as you originally thought.

Good luck with this. :)

[Tribesman]

Nice quote.:har::har::har::har::har:
its obviously well beyond your ken

[thorn69]

The reason you don't understand is that you are ignorant of how laws and policy are made in the United States. The Constitution only serves as a basis for our laws, policies, rules, and regulations. In researching the applicable laws, policies, rules, and regulations you start with the Constitution, not end there.

In order to understand this issue, it will be necessary for you to educate yourself on the Appellate and Supreme Court decisions (both state and local) concerning the 14th Amendment of the Constitution. Two cases which would be a good start for you would be

United States v Wong Kim Ark, 169 US. 649 (1898)

Plyler v Doe, 457 US 202 (1982)

As they both address (differently) the case of non-citizens having rights.

I would recommend also that you spend some time learning about the different court interpretations of Equal Protection Clause also of the 14th Amendment.

After you do that, I am sure you will learn that this is not a dichotomous issue as you originally thought.

Good luck with this. :)

And that's the problem here! Newer and softer laws are made to distance this country further and further away from it's original constitutional format. Loophole justice is what it's called because these newer laws need "interpretation". What's interpretation? Simple. Somebody's way of finding a loophole to appease somebody else to get them what they want - usually a handout.

Imagine for a moment if today's problems happened during our founding forefather's time. Do you think they'd sit on their own two hands and do nothing about it? Nope. They would have slaughtered off these people without mercy to ensure that "Americans" and their interests were well protected.

While some of our founding forefathers were quoted as not being happy about slavery, they found it to be necessary and even constitutionally endorsed it just to keep this country from floundering. The point I'm making here is that sometimes people have to make tough choices and do what you and others may think is wrong or even cruel, but it's for your own good that it's done because if these tough decisions weren't made, you wouldn't even be here right now. :03:

[Tribesman]

nuttier than a sack of almonds

[thorn69]

nuttier than a sack of almonds

At least I've got nuts! :haha:

[Sailor Steve]

You sure do seem to be the pot calling the kettle black! :shifty:
You don't recognize sarcasm when you see it. Tribesman was overstating the other side's case to emphasize the point.

As to your last post, you have no idea what you are talking about, from the founders' attitudes toward immigration to their widely varying attitudes toward slavery. You seem to have been raised in a very narrow climate, and take what you were fed to be the absolute truth.

You completely missed Platapus's point. You are the 'domestic enemy' he was talking about. You are a much greater danger to America and to freedom than any foreigner in this country, legal or otherwise.

[thorn69]

You don't recognize sarcasm when you see it. Tribesman was overstating the other side's case to emphasize the point.

As to your last post, you have no idea what you are talking about, from the founders' attitudes toward immigration to their widely varying attitudes toward slavery. You seem to have been raised in a very narrow climate, and take what you were fed to be the absolute truth.

You completely missed Platapus's point. You are the 'domestic enemy' he was talking about. You are a much greater danger to America and to freedom than any foreigner in this country, legal or otherwise.

Narrow Climate? WTF? Um, hello! They are CRIMINALS... And you expect me to sympathize for them being here illegally? Get real! You're obviously living in a cave and have no idea of the damage these people are doing to your fellow countrymen. You're way out of touch!


Furthermore, I'd like to state that I'm the ONLY ONE that's offered any form of solution to the problem in this thread. It might not be the answer you're looking for, but it's an answer nonetheless. We need people in power that have the balls to make decisions - not beat around the bush about making them because they worry about what other may think. If I'm wrong then I'm wrong. But I'd rather see someone do the wrong thing then do nothing at all. At least it's an effort and shows the world that the problem was serious enough for somebody to make a decision to take some form of action.

[Sailor Steve]

Narrow Climate? WTF? Um, hello! They are CRIMINALS... And you expect me to sympathize for them being here illegally? Get real! You're obviously living in a cave and have no idea of the damage these people are doing to your fellow countrymen. You're way out of touch!
Yes, they are criminals, and they need to be treated as such, within the law. You have advocated open murder rather than using the law, and that makes you as anti-American as a person can get.

[G2B]

WHO HERE IS FROM ARIZONA??????????

Let me enlighten some of you on what MY STATE is suffering from.

Overburdened health system, Illegals having babies that don't have any insurance so the Arizona taxpayers foot the bill. not just for the initial birth but for years because this child, being born here, is a U.S. is a citizen.

Overburdened school system, even the children who are not citizens go to public school and have to be taught English, more taxpayer money for these classes.

Despite attempts to curtail hiring of Illegals there are still loopholes in the laws so many employers pay them cash, no money for the state in taxes, and even if they do get a paycheck they claim so many dependents they have little or no taxes taken out of there checks. Some even file tax returns and get refunds.

Now since the state of Arizona is going broke from supporting Illegals, things get even worse. My own firsthand experience is I am a Residential Carpenter running a 5 man crew for a small Framing company, 2 years ago I was making $25 an hour plus bonuses, thanks to the greed of whoever you want to blame here, the bubble burst. Luckily after doing this type of work for over 25 years I kinda sensed a train wreck coming, to much to fast. So we are not to bad off at the moment.

Now today I have had to cut my wages to $15 an hour and no bonuses. I have not had a new home to frame in over a month, my company does not hire illegals and keeps everything by the book. Now there are other framing companies, along with all the other trades, who use loopholes and piece crews and pay them cash which drove everybody's wages into the dirt.

Example Illegal wants to work, gets hired by devious company that agrees to pay him say $14 dollars cash an hour, payday rolls around boss hands Illegal $100 cash, Illegal has no legal recourse and accepts the money and keeps working cause he has a family to support. Even if he quits there a others to take his place. This has killed my Trade in Arizona. Our company cannot compete with this type of business practice. So out of over 25 crews 3 years ago I am 1 of 3 left, and plan on turning in my company truck in the next couple weeks.

Civil rights and racial profiling, Give me A F###### BREAK, Simple not a citizen of the U.S. no civil rights. Racial profiling, As a long haired construction worker I run the risk of getting profiled more than a dark skinned person, so please lets not even start with that profiling B.S.

So without setting foot into this political soup you all have going, I'm going to say this. GREED is killing Arizona along with Liberal thinking. The media has made it seem the police are going to do door to door searches, pull anybody over that looks to hispanic or whatever. Business owners trying to survive this mess we have created and make a few dollars so they can go boating on the weekend, while so many citizens are losing their homes and cannot get any assistance from the State because they make $100 to much a month to get public assistance, but if your Illegal and make cash and have children here legally you can get all kinds of medical and food stamp help. I know allot of folks in bad situations and it sucks cause there is so little I can do to help.

I think the president of Mexico said it would be an act of war if we sent our troops to the border.

Just my nickels worth, course I could give a dollars worth, but its time to get off the Soapbox, cause this stuff really P###### me off.

[thorn69]

Yes, they are criminals, and they need to be treated as such, within the law. You have advocated open murder rather than using the law, and that makes you as anti-American as a person can get.

YES! Within the law. That's why I said NEW LAWS need to be passed so that it can be done within the law! SHEESH!!

And NO, I've never said mow them down in the streets. I've advocated for tougher laws that make it a crime worthy of a quick death. No spending 20+ years on death row wasting tax payer dollars. They should be tried, convicted, and sentenced to death if they are guilty. I'm not advocating for Joe Blow to go around shooting suspected illegals.

[thorn69]

WHO HERE IS FROM ARIZONA??????????

Let me enlighten some of you on what MY STATE is suffering from.

Overburdened health system, Illegals having babies that don't have any insurance so the Arizona taxpayers foot the bill. not just for the initial birth but for years because this child, being born here, is a U.S. is a citizen.

Overburdened school system, even the children who are not citizens go to public school and have to be taught English, more taxpayer money for these classes.

Despite attempts to curtail hiring of Illegals there are still loopholes in the laws so many employers pay them cash, no money for the state in taxes, and even if they do get a paycheck they claim so many dependents they have little or no taxes taken out of there checks. Some even file tax returns and get refunds.

Now since the state of Arizona is going broke from supporting Illegals, things get even worse. My own firsthand experience is I am a Residential Carpenter running a 5 man crew for a small Framing company, 2 years ago I was making $25 an hour plus bonuses, thanks to the greed of whoever you want to blame here, the bubble burst. Luckily after doing this type of work for over 25 years I kinda sensed a train wreck coming, to much to fast. So we are not to bad off at the moment.

Now today I have had to cut my wages to $15 an hour and no bonuses. I have not had a new home to frame in over a month, my company does not hire illegals and keeps everything by the book. Now there are other framing companies, along with all the other trades, who use loopholes and piece crews and pay them cash which drove everybody's wages into the dirt.

Example Illegal wants to work, gets hired by devious company that agrees to pay him say $14 dollars cash an hour, payday rolls around boss hands Illegal $100 cash, Illegal has no legal recourse and accepts the money and keeps working cause he has a family to support. Even if he quits there a others to take his place. This has killed my Trade in Arizona. Our company cannot compete with this type of business practice. So out of over 25 crews 3 years ago I am 1 of 3 left, and plan on turning in my company truck in the next couple weeks.

Civil rights and racial profiling, Give me A F###### BREAK, Simple not a citizen of the U.S. no civil rights. Racial profiling, As a long haired construction worker I run the risk of getting profiled more than a dark skinned person, so please lets not even start with that profiling B.S.

So without setting foot into this political soup you all have going, I'm going to say this. GREED is killing Arizona along with Liberal thinking. The media has made it seem the police are going to do door to door searches, pull anybody over that looks to hispanic or whatever. Business owners trying to survive this mess we have created and make a few dollars so they can go boating on the weekend, while so many citizens are losing their homes and cannot get any assistance from the State because they make $100 to much a month to get public assistance, but if your Illegal and make cash and have children here legally you can get all kinds of medical and food stamp help. I know allot of folks in bad situations and it sucks cause there is so little I can do to help.

I think the president of Mexico said it would be an act of war if we sent our troops to the border.

Just my nickels worth, course I could give a dollars worth, but its time to get off the Soapbox, cause this stuff really P###### me off.

I hear ya brother! Action needs to be taken. No more pussy-footing around! :yeah:

[G2B]

Setting the record straight here, Killing people here is not a solution, keeping them from entering the country Illegally is, arresting and deporting those here is a solution.

[G2B]

Arizona is just trying to defend itself since the federal government has failed to deal with the problem, even our own former governor now the secretary of homeland security has done nothing for us. So the solution is to give the police the right to arrest these people. In all honesty the law has not even gone into effect yet and the number of Illegals has gone way down. So this has become a bit of a solution, we just need the border locked up tighter.

[Snestorm]

Setting the record straight here, Killing people here is not a solution, keeping them from entering the country Illegally is, arresting and deporting those here is a solution.

Agreed.

[thorn69]

Setting the record straight here, Killing people here is not a solution, keeping them from entering the country Illegally is, arresting and deporting those here is a solution.

And what do you do about the ones that refuse to leave and the ones that come back again and again? You do realize that the US taxpayer has to foot the bill for the trials, the incarceration time (food, clothing, shelter, medicine), all the deportation flights and these same people keep coming back again and again and again?

Maybe if we deported them to the moon where's there's no air to breath? :hmmm:

I'm telling you. Death is the only way the US can fix this problem. Like I've said before. Gangrene has set in at this point from years and years of the federal government neglecting to enforce the law. The country is going to have to wear egg on its face for a quite a long time and man up and do what needs to be done here to save what little we have left. Give these people fair trials at taxpayer expense. If they are found guilty then they need to be sentenced to death. Simple as that. I'm thinking most of them wouldn't stay around long enough to test the system if that's how it worked.

[G2B]

First off there is no trial, they get shipped home. What needs to happen is the border needs to be LOCKED DOWN SO THEY CANNOT RETURN.

I do not agree with them being here illegally and I am not a liberal, but if you had a choice of making $10 a week or $100 a week, you would choose the $100. Now if you had to face the risk of dying in the desert to get to this type of money to support your family, would you? This is what you are up against, people who have nothing to loose and everything to gain.

So ask yourself Would you risk death for a better life for your family?

[thorn69]

First off there is no trial, they get shipped home. What needs to happen is the border needs to be LOCKED DOWN SO THEY CANNOT RETURN.

I do not agree with them being here illegally and I am not a liberal, but if you had a choice of making $10 a week or $100 a week, you would choose the $100. Now if you had to face the risk of dying in the desert to get to this type of money to support your family, would you? This is what you are up against, people who have nothing to loose and everything to gain.

So ask yourself Would you risk death for a better life for your family?

No, I wouldn't. I'd take the steps necessary to do things the legal way to get moved into the US. If I couldn't respect a nations laws prior to going there, I shouldn't go there to begin with! People act like it's so hard to do this when it's really not. The reasons they don't go through the proper channels are...

A) Laziness! "Why should I, they aren't going to do crap about it anyways."

B) Criminally minded! "It's pretty hard to stay undetected in the US if I do things the legal way. I need to keep a low profile to sell my drugs."

C) Criminally labeled! "I can't go through the legal channels because I have been convicted of child molestation. They'll never except me with that on my record! I'll just have to break in some other way to get at those yummy 12 year olds!"

D) Scam artist! If I go to America illegally I can work and get out of paying taxes. I also get free health care and legal protection if they ever catch me. I've got a 50/50 chance in court anyways. What do I have to lose? Nothing.

E) Conquering minded! "If we all infiltrate America, they will have no other choice but to accept us eventually. We'll outnumber them! After all, they are against killing illegal immigrants so all we have to do is keep coming back if they catch us. Eventually their whole system will fall because there's only so much money they can afford to spend on this and we're like cockroaches! We just keep coming back again and again no matter how many times they try to sweep us away. They haven't gotten smart and resorted to extermination tactics to ensure we won't be back. Once America falls, Mexico will meet Canada!
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You're going to have to offer them a trial though. As someone else pointed out, they have some rights and a fair trial is one of them. They have the right to be heard. But if they are found guilty, I think everyone should have the right to hear them scream!

[G2B]

Here dig through this and see if you can be a citizen.

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis


Now try the paperwork without internet.

[thorn69]

Here dig through this and see if you can be a citizen.

http://www.uscis.gov/portal/site/uscis


Now try the paperwork without internet.


Are you saying this is too hard for them and we should make it even easier? What's so difficult about the website? I find it pretty easy to navigate through myself. We make things a lot more convenient and easy to use than most other nations do by far. Mexico's immigration laws are even stricter than our own. And where is their online offering for convenience? :hmmm:

[G2B]

You just don't get the bigger picture do you.

Our government has failed us by not securing the border.

There government is to corrupt and has let them down, and I'm sure turns a blind eye to the whole mess, after all they benefit from the money coming back in.

We are talking about people who have nothing. They are not criminals [until they cross the border}or even lazy, they just have no way for a better life where they are at, so human nature being what it is you go somewhere else if you can't make things better where you are. They do not have the resources to immigrate legally and no we should not change our rules to make it easier for them. We need the border locked down period.

So if you had no resources to improve your life for your family, YOU HAVE NOTHING, your government has failed you, but you have a chance at a better life somewhere else but you could die getting there and you stand on your principles and say No I would not do it cause it is wrong. :har: Obviously you have never been in a bad situation.

But yet you would gladly shoot them one by one as they cross the border, WOW

Illegals have wiped out my trade, This really P###### me off but we allowed it to happen, and yes they need to leave, without trial, and put back where they came from and make sure they cannot come back across.
But killing someone for this reason is just morally wrong, even the Founding Fathers would agree, you cannot kill someone for wanting something better, especially if one's own government failed them. Simple solution arrest them, send them home, Lock the border.

[thorn69]

You just don't get the bigger picture do you.

Our government has failed us by not securing the border.

There government is to corrupt and has let them down, and I'm sure turns a blind eye to the whole mess, after all they benefit from the money coming back in.

We are talking about people who have nothing. They are not criminals [until they cross the border}or even lazy, they just have no way for a better life where they are at, so human nature being what it is you go somewhere else if you can't make things better where you are. They do not have the resources to immigrate legally and no we should not change our rules to make it easier for them. We need the border locked down period.

So if you had no resources to improve your life for your family, YOU HAVE NOTHING, your government has failed you, but you have a chance at a better life somewhere else but you could die getting there and you stand on your principles and say No I would not do it cause it is wrong. :har: Obviously you have never been in a bad situation.

But yet you would gladly shoot them one by one as they cross the border, WOW

Illegals have wiped out my trade, This really P###### me off but we allowed it to happen, and yes they need to leave, without trial, and put back where they came from and make sure they cannot come back across.
But killing someone for this reason is just morally wrong, even the Founding Fathers would agree, you cannot kill someone for wanting something better, especially if one's own government failed them. Simple solution arrest them, send them home, Lock the border.

Many of our ancestors fought off tyrannical British rule. Other nations have risen up and challenged their own governments to change it for the betterment of their people. Why don't they risk their lives doing that instead of flooding America? If they want their country to be like America, then they need to fight for it just like we had to do. The last thing we need is a bunch of illegals leaching off of us. They're swamping the boat!

[Zachstar]

The point that some people are missing here is that illegals are doing EXACTLY what they intended to do all along - Cripple the United States and show the world that a giant can be brought down to his knees by using his own strengths against him and without firing a single shot.

These people are making a mockery of our current laws and using loophole justice to have their way in this country. When somebody calls them out on this, they are quick to retort that you're being a racist. Unfortunately, our racism laws are stricter than our immigration laws. We would rather see our country overrun by illegals than to trespass on their feelings of self worth.

What needs to be done? Simple. We need to eradicate these people from our country by using any means necessary. America is just going to have to accept it's going to have to look like a hypocrite to the rest of the world for getting violently tough with these people. But it's the only way to get these people out of our country. Just think about it.

Jailing these people does nothing but place a larger dept on tax payers. And once they get out of jail they come right back, so the cycle repeats itself. So why feed, bath, cloth, and medicate these "illegal" invaders? America needs to go back to its roots and get downright violent once again! Remember the native American? I sure don't. That's how effective violence can be and what should be done here.

Playing "bleeding heart" liberal towards criminal invaders is not something I can stomach seeing much longer. It's not solving anything, it's making matters worse, and it's just prolonging the inevitable from happening anyways. Eventually all American's will feel the way I do about this because there's really nothing else that can be done when you think about it. It's that big of a problem right now. Years of neglecting immigration enforcement has allowed the gangrene to set in. Now it's time to chop off the leg before it's too late! It's either that or stand by to be conquered through loophole justice that allowed one foreign nation to use another nations own laws and rules against them. It will be something the kids in other nations will be laughing about for centuries to come when they read about how the USA fell by leaving it's own backdoor wide open.

Seriously, people in this country need to grow a pair and stand up for their country again!

Um just so I am sure you are sure you claim are a police officer right? Maybe I am mistaken because if an officer has a view that Any means necessary to eradicate aliens from the country is a good thing. Than in my opinion something is SERIOUSLY wrong with the police department in such a country or parish.

Violently tough Eradicate? Are you insane man? You do anything of the sort and the rest of the world wont just view us as hypocrites we would face serious economic retaliation and even International involvement that would put us in a SERIOUS situation FAST. FAR FAR worse than it is now.

Remember the native American? I sure don't. That's how effective violence can be and what should be done here.

Never mind, just get the heck out of this forum please man

[Zachstar]

You're right, so how do we get rid of racists like you? :down:

August we have had disagreements in the past but let me say man that is one of the best posts I have seen here in a LONG time! :rock:

You give them an alternative - Go back to your homeland. You have 30 days to do so. If you don't we will have no choice but to execute you by firing squad. If you come back here, there will be no 30 day grace period. Instant execution on the spot.

Dear god man..... I never thought I would see the day I would read such a horrific post on subsim.

If somehow you are really a police officer will you please inform your superiors about your post? I think they and the people of your county deserve to know they have an officer with such views claiming to "Protect and Serve" in my opinion.

[thorn69]

Um just so I am sure you are sure you claim are a police officer right? Maybe I am mistaken because if an officer has a view that Any means necessary to eradicate aliens from the country is a good thing. Than in my opinion something is SERIOUSLY wrong with the police department in such a country or parish.

Violently tough Eradicate? Are you insane man? You do anything of the sort and the rest of the world wont just view us as hypocrites we would face serious economic retaliation and even International involvement that would put us in a SERIOUS situation FAST. FAR FAR worse than it is now.



Never mind, just get the heck out of this forum please man

Actually, what's worse than anything is your opinion that nobody else should have an opinion - especially one that is not your own. You're the absolutist! Talk about denying people freedom! You're a hypocrite! While I do admit that my opinion is not the popular one right now, that doesn't mean much to me. Popular opinion prior to the Revolutionary war was not to go to war with Britain. I say, Thank God for those folks with the unpopular decision to go to war with Britain!

I'm not sure how the US would be punished by the rest of the world, nor do I care. I highly doubt that anything would really be done to the US for enforcing stricter sanctions on illegal criminals within our own country? Your assumptions are just nonsensical speculation. You have no proof and nor do you speak for the entire world.

Finally, I don't see any racism here. People keep playing that racism card for whatever reason.

Honestly, I don't care what race any of these illegal immigrants are. In my book, they are all criminal scumbags and should be treated as such. I don't particularly like criminal scumbags - especially being a police officer.

I don't see how building a wall is going to stop illegal immigration. While it might help a little, it does not solve the problem. The problem could be solved by establishing more severe forms of punishment. Punishment is a deterrent if it's administered in an effective manner. Show ALL illegal criminals that invading our nation won't be tolerated any longer!

If the US gets into the business of granting amnesty to illegal criminals then it will have to do so on a fair basis as to avoid racism lawsuits. That means that Al-Qaeda types will also have to be given a free pass to live here so they can plan out even more effective and devastating attacks against Americans on their own soil. What will you say then? What will you say if any of it directly affects you and your family? I live in the south and I've seen illegal immigrants rape and kill US citizens in their own homes. If that happened to your family would you still be so generous towards them? I highly doubt it.

Lastly, you have a problem with my comment about the Native Americans. Why though? It was our own government (elected officials) that encouraged and financially endorsed their slaughter. Today we're supposed to look back on that in shame! But why though? If it hadn't been done, there would be no USA. Our leaders did what they had to do.

Yeah life sucks sometimes and it sucks worse for those that lose and get conquered. But that's the price the losing party pays for losing. This world has gotten damn soft compared to the way it used to be but look what that's done. It's allowed political correctness to replace truth and allowed criminals to overrun the country to the place that we now have to argue about them and their rights and what states decide to do about trying to protect their own from being overrun! That's what I find shameful.

[Tribesman]

While I do admit that my opinion is not the popular one right now, that doesn't mean much to me.
It isn't that your opinion is not popular, its that from your posts you appear to be someone who needs to be locked away in a mental institution.

If somehow you are really a police officer will you please inform your superiors about your post? I think they and the people of your county deserve to know they have an officer with such views claiming to "Protect and Serve" in my opinion.
Thats right, people with such problems should never have any position which requires responsibility, they certainly shouldn't be allowed anywhere near firearms and really should have close adult sepervision before they are even allowed to pick up a plastic spoon.

[thorn69]

It isn't that your opinion is not popular, its that from your posts you appear to be someone who needs to be locked away in a mental institution.


Thats right, people with such problems should never have any position which requires responsibility, they certainly shouldn't be allowed anywhere near firearms and really should have close adult sepervision before they are even allowed to pick up a plastic spoon.


Then tell me wise guy, what is YOUR plan for dealing with this problem? Just give these people a free pass? Do nothing at all? WHAT!?

It's so easy for you to just sit there and ridicule others that are offering suggestions and solutions to a problem when you yourself aren't contributing to the topic at all. "Oh, I think you're crazy and need to be locked away" yet you offer nothing legitimate to this discussion other than personal insults towards people who have a differing opinion than your own. You've displayed this several times now under several different topics.

My idea is no crazier than what Harry Truman did during WWII. Some thought he was crazy for it but others still thank him wholeheartedly for it since they know that if he hadn't there would have been a lot more American GIs and Japanese killed during an invasion of Japan's mainland.

[krashkart]

Lastly, you have a problem with my comment about the Native Americans. Why though? It was our own government (elected officials) that encouraged and financially endorsed their slaughter. Today we're supposed to look back on that in shame! But why though? If it hadn't been done, there would be no USA. Our leaders did what they had to do.

I can answer you that from my perspective. Your comment was worded pretty harshly. It might not have seemed that way to you but it certainly struck me as odd. I haven't heard or read a statement like that in many years and even then it wasn't worded as harshly.

Here is the paragraph in full (for fairness) from which that statement had been quoted:

Jailing these people does nothing but place a larger dept on tax payers. And once they get out of jail they come right back, so the cycle repeats itself. So why feed, bath, cloth, and medicate these "illegal" invaders? America needs to go back to its roots and get downright violent once again! Remember the native American? I sure don't. That's how effective violence can be and what should be done here.


See the part that I underlined? The American Indian is still alive and kicking. Our ancestors didn't eradicate them, they simply shuffled the survivors off to reservations. You came off as not only racist but ignorant as well. The rest of your argument, however true it may be, got lost in the translation. I don't know how else to explain it, thorn.

EDIT:

Tribesman is one of our resident intellectual ass-whoopers. Good luck tangling with him. ;)

[Tribesman]

My idea is no crazier than what Harry Truman did during WWII.
You think mass public executions so people can hear screams from people being killed for minor crimes is somehow even on the same planetry plane as the two bombing attacks on Japan in WW2???????

Then tell me wise guy, what is YOUR plan for dealing with this problem?
It is a simple matter of enforcing current legislation.
New legislation isn't required and crazy measures like your proposals belong in the nuthouse.

Look at the comments directed at your views.......
I wonder if Homeland Security is reading this thread yet.

if you actually do try to carry out your threat to eradicate human beings then i'd be happy to sit on your jury and vote to put you in a little tiny cell for the next 70-80 years.

So how does one go about recruiting these 21st century Einsatzkommandoes?

you're one sick and twisted person

You must be what they were referring to as a domestic enemy.

You are a much greater danger to America and to freedom than any foreigner in this country, legal or otherwise.

[thorn69]

I can answer you that from my perspective. Your comment was worded pretty harshly. It might not have seemed that way to you but it certainly struck me as odd. I haven't heard or read a statement like that in many years and even then it wasn't worded as harshly.

Here is the paragraph in full (for fairness) from which that statement had been quoted:



See the part that I underlined? The American Indian is still alive and kicking. Our ancestors didn't eradicate them, they simply shuffled the survivors off to reservations. You came off as not only racist but ignorant as well. The rest of your argument, however true it may be, got lost in the translation. I don't know how else to explain it, thorn.

EDIT:

Tribesman is one of our resident intellectual ass-whoopers. Good luck tangling with him. ;)


I wasn't being racist. I don't know any native American Indians. Why is that? Because our governmental leadership had them slaughtered off. There are very few true blooded Native Americans in this country left anymore. Their population is extremely small. My point with that was the effectiveness that could be achieved in dealing with this current crisis. You've allowed liberal teachings to brainwash you into feeling shame for doing what was a necessity back in the day. Neither you, or I, had anything to do with that. But unlike you, I'm grateful for what was done, because it was what had to be done. Had it not been done, neither you, or I, would be here today.

I'm not advocating that common citizens should be going around and slaughtering off the illegals either. I am advocating for tougher laws that promote executions for these people vs. costly deportation methods and long prison sentences that have proven not to work.

Stricter laws should also be imposed on any employer, or person, that aids these people and gives them shelter or work. They are just as much the problem as the criminal invaders are.

Tribesman seems like nothing more than a liberal bagpipe full of hot air to me! ;)

[krashkart]

Nice try. I really do not believe that a return to the old ways is going to make matters any better for the States. The solutions that you are proposing will not work in today's world. Might work for some place like Iran. But it will not work for the US, not without backlash. Some of us do still care enough about our country to know that.

Enjoy your stay in the shark tank.

[thorn69]

You think mass public executions so people can hear screams from people being killed for minor crimes is somehow even on the same planetry plane as the two bombing attacks on Japan in WW2???????


It is a simple matter of enforcing current legislation.
New legislation isn't required and crazy measures like your proposals belong in the nuthouse.

Look at the comments directed at your views.......
I wonder if Homeland Security is reading this thread yet.

if you actually do try to carry out your threat to eradicate human beings then i'd be happy to sit on your jury and vote to put you in a little tiny cell for the next 70-80 years.

So how does one go about recruiting these 21st century Einsatzkommandoes?

you're one sick and twisted person

You must be what they were referring to as a domestic enemy.

You are a much greater danger to America and to freedom than any foreigner in this country, legal or otherwise.


Minor crime? Dude, you're living in Denialville USA! That must be somewhere up north where illegal immigration isn't directly affecting you and your family. How selfish of you to neglect your countrymen in the south who've been having to deal with this ever increasing problem that our federal government has neglected to enforce.

Looks like you've listed several defamatory remarks aimed at me for offering an unpopular opinion. What's new? Many people have been beaten, stoned, shot, and tortured for having an unpopular opinion. But isn't it just funny how all to often those unpopular opinions eventually become the opinions that the majority end up sharing down the road?!

[thorn69]

Nice try. I really do not believe that a return to the old ways is going to make matters any better for the States. The solutions that you are proposing will not work in today's world. Might work for some place like Iran. But it will not work for the US, not without backlash. Some of us do still care enough about our country to know that.

Enjoy your stay in the shark tank.

How do you know what will work and won't work? You don't have any proof that can support this claim of yours. That's true ignorance. What's worse, is you've still not offered an opinion of what should be done. Just more insults at the one guy with the balls enough to have an opinion and express it. Perhaps it was a bit naive of me to have done so, but then again, I don't really give a damn either. :rotfl2:

Somebody needed to say it.

[Tribesman]

Minor crime?
Yes minor crime, for someone who claims to work in law enforcement you are repeatedly demonsttrating how ignorant of the law you are.

How selfish of you to neglect your countrymen in the south who've been having to deal with this ever increasing problem that our federal government has neglected to enforce.


:har::har::har::har::har::har:

Looks like you've listed several defamatory remarks aimed at me for offering an unpopular opinion.
Its not for offering an unpopular opinion, its because its an opinion only a lunatic could even consider.

[krashkart]

How do you know what will work and won't work? You don't have any proof that can support this claim of yours. That's true ignorance. What's worse, is you've still not offered an opinion of what should be done. Just more insults at the one guy with the balls enough to have an opinion and express it. Perhaps it was a bit naive of me to have done so, but then again, I don't really give a damn either. :rotfl2:

Somebody needed to say it.

You want my opinion? Okay, here is what I think. I think there has been a whole lot of mention about illegal immigration over the last few years. So much in fact that the phrase means nothing to me. The problem exists for the people that are being directly affected by it. What does illegal immigration have to do with me? Little, if anything. But I peruse this thread in the hope that I will gain a better understanding of it from someone other than the media. In so doing]p0=6\At some point I will be able to form a better opinion on the subject.

Which leads to why I haven't offered up an opinion, and we know the answer to that. From the horse's mouth: I don't know what should be done about it. What I do know is that threatening executions is not the answer. How do I prove or disprove that knowledge to you? I can't. It's common sense; bullets are designed to solve much more dangerous problems than illegal immigration (e.g. keeping your butt and my butt in one piece should some crazed maniac try to kill us). We save our bullets for the criminals that are shooting at us. Save them for if/when Jihad hits our soil in full force.


EDIT:

To continue, coffee does not belong in the windpipe or (subsequently) all over the laptop. Lame post finished. :DL

[Sailor Steve]

Popular opinion prior to the Revolutionary war was not to go to war with Britain. I say, Thank God for those folks with the unpopular decision to go to war with Britain!
Point of fact here: Those folks didn't make a decision to go to war with Britain. They waited until the British fired first.

[XabbaRus]

OK, I think maybe this thread has run its course.

I'm not going to lock it as the main problem has been put away for now.

I recommend we let it sink.

[Weiss Pinguin]

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