Ban on offshore drilling lifted...

[SteamWake]

By a federal judge...

I can hear the steam escaping from Obama's considerable ears from here. :up:


A New Orleans federal judge lifted the six-month moratorium on deepwater drilling imposed by President Barack Obama (http://search.bloomberg.com/search?q=Barack%20Obama&site=wnews&client=wnews&proxystylesheet=wnews&output=xml_no_dtd&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&filter=p&getfields=wnnis&sort=date:D:S:d1&partialfields=-wnnis:NOAVSYND&lr=-lang_ja) following the largest oil spill in U.S. history. Shares of drilling services companies jumped on the news.


http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-22/u-s-deepwater-oil-drilling-ban-lifted-today-by-new-orleans-federal-judge.html

This should be interesting... wonder if he will call the judge into the whitehouse along with McChrystil.

Obama is having a rough week and its only tuesday :haha:

[August]

wonder if he will call the judge into the whitehouse along with McChrystil.

Different chain of command. The judge would be well within his rights to tell Obama to take a flying leap. The Executive branch controls the military, but it specifically does not control the Judiciary.

[SteamWake]

Different chain of command. The judge would be well within his rights to tell Obama to take a flying leap. The Executive branch controls the military, but it specifically does not control the Judiciary.

What according to the constitution :o remember whom you are dealing with here.

[nikimcbee]

Oh noz, what about hope n change?
http://the.honoluluadvertiser.com/dailypix/2004/Feb/13/tgif1ula_b.jpg

[thorn69]

Different chain of command. The judge would be well within his rights to tell Obama to take a flying leap. The Executive branch controls the military, but it specifically does not control the Judiciary.

Obama is filling the Supreme court up with liberal women who Obama can easily manipulate into overriding any lower level judge. Obama got them the job (unethically since he used "gender" and "race" as a requirement for the job) and now all they have to do is get down on their knees and kiss his butt for it. Remember, chicks love black guys with big... ears!

[Zachstar]

By a federal judge...

I can hear the steam escaping from Obama's considerable ears from here. :up:



http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-06-22/u-s-deepwater-oil-drilling-ban-lifted-today-by-new-orleans-federal-judge.html

This should be interesting... wonder if he will call the judge into the whitehouse along with McChrystil.

Obama is having a rough week and its only tuesday :haha:

Actually now that it is being revealed that the Judge likely has a conflict of interest in my opinion I think the announced appeal will solidify the ban.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100622/ts_ynews/ynews_ts2771

[Stealth Hunter]

The report discloses that in 2008, Judge Feldman held less than $15,000 worth of stock in Transocean, as well as similar amounts—federal rules only require that judges report a range of values—in Hercules Offshore (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ynews/ts_ynews/storytext/ynews_ts2771/36639585/SIG=11lij7n8f/*http://www.herculesoffshore.com/about_overview.html), ATP Oil and Gas (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ynews/ts_ynews/storytext/ynews_ts2771/36639585/SIG=111rpql5b/*http://www.atpog.com/about.html), and Parker Drilling (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ynews/ts_ynews/storytext/ynews_ts2771/36639585/SIG=110oj1rdc/*http://www.parkerdrilling.com/). All of those companies offer contract offshore drilling services and operate offshore rigs in the Gulf of Mexico. Judge Feldman also owned between $15,000 and $50,000 in notes offered by Ocean Energy, Inc (http://us.rd.yahoo.com/dailynews/ynews/ts_ynews/storytext/ynews_ts2771/36639585/SIG=113r708bu/*http://www.oceaneng.com/about.htm)., a company that offers "concept design and manufacturing design of submersible drilling rigs (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/20100622/ts_ynews/ynews_ts2771#)," according to its web site. None of the companies were direct parties to the lawsuit seeking to overturn the ban.


Judge Feldman did not immediately return a message seeking comment.


Ah, makes sense he'd reverse the ban. And that he hasn't commented on this development lol.

[SteamWake]

Wow dident take long to dig up some dirt... but 'shrug' he is after all a federal judge no real supprises there.

Just as there is no supprises as to the reactions.

[Zachstar]

Wow dident take long to dig up some dirt... but 'shrug' he is after all a federal judge no real supprises there.

Just as there is no supprises as to the reactions.

So knowing a potential conflict of interest is "digging up dirt" now.. Gotcha

This development is very good tho. The likely CoI will sink the case in appeal. About time too after a string of horrific right wing activist judge decisions as of late.

I am for continuing drilling in the gulf but not until the leak is stopped and there is time to make absolutely sure it wont happen again. Its been proven now that the "safe and secure" argument is a bunch of lies.

[thorn69]

So knowing a potential conflict of interest is "digging up dirt" now.. Gotcha

This development is very good tho. The likely CoI will sink the case in appeal. About time too after a string of horrific right wing activist judge decisions as of late.

I am for continuing drilling in the gulf but not until the leak is stopped and there is time to make absolutely sure it wont happen again. Its been proven now that the "safe and secure" argument is a bunch of lies.

Obama wanted to build more oil rigs in the gulf and off the state of Florida and Virginia just before this crisis happened! Obama didn't seem too worried about it then and only now is he concerned about the safety and security of building any more. You're desperately looking for an excuse to blame GWB for this. Go ahead and admit that and make yourself look even more foolish. :nope:

[SteamWake]

So knowing a potential conflict of interest is "digging up dirt" now.. Gotcha.

At worst the Judge showed a poor lack of judgement :haha: I am un aware of any laws against judges holding shares of publicly traded companys.

However he should have been aware of the possible implications of a conflict of interest.... unless...

[Zachstar]

That is one thing that will keep Obama from gaining additional seats in congress. His stupidity of supporting additional drilling to the decry of environmentalists and progressives (AKA his base) Means he cant really use the BP spill to rally the base.

However we all bought the bullcrap that BP and the other companies are dilling safely. Bush did Clinton did everyone did.

[thorn69]

That is one thing that will keep Obama from gaining additional seats in congress. His stupidity of supporting additional drilling to the decry of environmentalists and progressives (AKA his base) Means he cant really use the BP spill to rally the base.

However we all bought the bullcrap that BP and the other companies are dilling safely. Bush did Clinton did everyone did.


Did you just call Obama "stupid"? There may be hope left in this one! :hmmm:

[Zachstar]

Believe it or not I used to be a republican but put your hope aside. I have been one long enough to know I wont be going back to the party of no to us yes to corps. (Even tho democrats are quickly becoming the same)

Tell you the truth I honestly think Mrs. Clinton would have done a far better job at this point. First she would not let the repubs block her every step of the way until her goals become pork infused pieces of junk. And BP. Well the CEO would likely be in tears and begging to give up everything just to not hear her yell at him for another minute.

Still better than McCain I guess.. Sigh...

[XabbaRus]

When you are drilling at 1500m there is no such thing as safe and secure. There is minimising risk. That is all any of the oil companies can do.

There is so much ignorance around about drilling operations and I am talking in general not at people on this board. Hell I'm reading the BBC news and shaking my head.

Then again the news has gone down the toilet here a long time ago.

[Zachstar]

Then there should be no more drilling at that depth until it can be made safe and secure through technology.

Pick that or pick so much gov red tape that they will never make a profit because one way or another easy drilling is history. If they had spent the money and got the shutoffs and safety systems they would not be paying 20billion+ many more. On top of giving environmentalists the political ammo needed to put a serious dent in land drilling as well.

[Schroeder]

Obama wanted to build more oil rigs in the gulf and off the state of Florida and Virginia just before this crisis happened! Obama didn't seem too worried about it then and only now is he concerned about the safety and security of building any more. You're desperately looking for an excuse to blame GWB for this. :nope:
Well, isn't it then natural that he changed his mind after such a disaster instead of keeping going as if nothing had happened?

[Tchocky]

You're desperately looking for an excuse to blame GWB for this. Go ahead and admit that and make yourself look even more foolish. :nope:

I've just quoted the first mention of President Bush in this thread.

[SteamWake]

Then there should be no more drilling at that depth until it can be made safe and secure through technology.

Pick that or pick so much gov red tape that they will never make a profit because one way or another easy drilling is history. If they had spent the money and got the shutoffs and safety systems they would not be paying 20billion+ many more. On top of giving environmentalists the political ammo needed to put a serious dent in land drilling as well.

Why are we drilling way the hell out there in the first place?

[CaptainHaplo]

First off - the BP notified the MMS about problems at the rig in FEBRUARY... the 13th to be exact. Obama's hand picked people ran that office. They had MONTHS to act - and now there are 11 people dead and Millions of gallons of crude going into the ocean. According to Obama, the buck stops with him - but funny when he posed for the photo op with the families of the dead, I doubt he mentioned that it was his people that failed just as much as BP/Transocean did. Those deaths and the ecological disaster fall on his shoulders too, but because he is the "Chosen One", I guess he is supposed to get a pass on it. I doubt the family members of the dead would think he should.

Secondly, the appeal will fail for 2 seperate reasons. There was no conflict of interest - note it says he "OWNED" - past tense - instead of owns which would be current. There is no conflict if his interest was terminated prior to his hearing this matter, because he can not profit from a decision either way any longer. So yes - this was "digging stuff up" instead of actually raising an legitimate legal issue. Secondly, the decision will stand because the decision was based in law - the ban had no legal authority on which to reside.

Just because tree huggers don't like the decision doesn't mean it wasn't right. In fact, one reason we SHOULD be drilling is so that Obama can show how he has acted to resolve the issues in the MMS to promote responsible management of our natural resources...... or was that all a bunch of hot air from him too????

What's wrong lib's - don't you trust your own guy when he says he is fixing the problems????? :har:

Guess it says something when the answer is no! And then they want to argue that he isn't a one term-er! :rotfl2:

[CaptainHaplo]

Why are we drilling way the hell out there in the first place?

Because the tree huggers say if we drill close to shore there might be an accident and it might kill some sea animals and birds and the reefs and the coral and make the coast look like crap and stuff.... oh wait a sec.......... :damn::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:

And we can't drill on land because that might disturb the natural habitat of some bird or frog or other animal no one has ever heard of.

Does it make sense now?

Hugging tree's is :88).

[SteamWake]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQC7q9L8Wuw

Sorry had to :haha:

[Tchocky]

And we can't drill on land because that might disturb the natural habitat of some bird or frog or other animal no one has ever heard of. If CH hasn't heard of it, then it ain't worth caring about.

[Zachstar]

I dont consider Obama a lib or even a progressive. Coward is more like it.

Better than a repub but not by a whole lot in my opinion.

[CaptainHaplo]

If CH hasn't heard of it, then it ain't worth caring about.

Tchocky, I believe in environmental conservatism. That means using the resources we have responsibly. This can be done without disturbing habitats generally. But, just like the border patrol, environmental issues such as "the noise of a truck might disturb the bird in its natural habitat" are keeping us from doing what needs to be done. Or "the emissions of fossil fuel vehicles might harm the habitat". Give me a break. Driving a SUV down a road 4 or 5 times a day to keep illegals out is going to be the death of all the animals and trees? Bull! Especially considering the trees absorb CO2 (which they need) and give off oxygen. Remember - we are talking a national FOREST! A few trucks once in a while are good for em. Its when its in EXCESS that it becomes a problem.

Its not that if I haven't heard of it that its not worth caring about. But environmentalism has gotten out of hand. There are places you can go in texas and see idle oil wells, the towers still sitting there. Nothing around em for miles - but oh - they can't be used because somewhere something might be adversely affected. Well not using them is adversly affecting not just me and my family, but just about every family in America.

Why do you think oil from shale was shut down so quickly? There is more American oil in shale under the soil of this nation than is under the Middle East oil fields combined. But environmentalists (who by the way are often funded by ME oil cartels) are against us using it. Well the question is this, should a frog get woken up occasionally in the middle of the night so a barrel of domestic oil could sell for $16 dollars, or should we continue to pay $70+ (not counting shipping charges) to import it from South America (where don'tcha know they are just taking every step THEY can to save the environment while they get all that black gold!) and the ME which creates a drag on the economy of this country.

Hmmmm.
Sleepless Frog vs US Economy

For me, that's not really a hard choice.

The fact of the matter is that most (but not all) environmental objections are politically based. Sure there are things that need to be done to insure the ecological health of an area. But there is a big difference between doing things responsibly and not doing them at all.

You want to know how to set it up to insure private businesses are responsible. Its a valid question, because they cannot be trusted blindly. Simply put, they are on the hook for every dime of damage they cause, AND they will be barred from business going forward in the US for a minimum of 10 years should a major industrial accident occur.

Yes, that would apply to folks like BP. Simply put, you make it more economically attractive to be responsible - and then stick to it. Same thing as the law that pertains to hiring illegals. We do need a couple of new laws regarding immigration, but we don't need one regarding hiring them - its already on the books. The government needs to simply enforce it broadly. If companies (domestic or foriegn) were looking at a closed market for 10 years, as well as damages, then it is in their best interest to be responsible. Yes, some regulation can help assure it - but its time we started acting responsibly instead of basically throwing up our hands and saying "well we might screw it up so we better not do it."

Being so afraid of failure that you don't try is a failure unto itself.

Also - I see no one wanted to touch the fact that the rig that is at the heart of this was a known problem months prior and that the people this administration put over the relevant offices did nothing. I guess the buck only stops with Obama when he can't find anyone else to blame for his administration's incompetence.

[Platapus]

But environmentalists (who by the way are often funded by ME oil cartels) are against us using it.

I would really like to see a credible citation that says that environmentalists are often funded by Middle East cartels.

[Zachstar]

Actually it ended abruptly when and the oil market crashed after the housing bubble popped. Getting oil from shale at current tech is only feasable at 100 USD a barrel or more new tech MIGHT be able to cut that in half but its a maybe at this point and I prefer the idea of laser drilling better.

[AngusJS]

Obama is filling the Supreme court up with liberal women who Obama can easily manipulate into overriding any lower level judge. Obama got them the job (unethically since he used "gender" and "race" as a requirement for the job) and now all they have to do is get down on their knees and kiss his butt for it. Remember, chicks love black guys with big... ears!Wow, you concluded all that based on a sample size of...one? That's impressive.

[thorn69]

Wow, you concluded all that based on a sample size of...one? That's impressive.

He's selected two so far and both have been women - fat women to be more precise. One of them is a minority Latino woman who made a racist as well as sexist comment about white males awhile back. The other one hasn't taken her (very large) seat yet. There are rumors that she may have been in, or is currently in, a lesbian relationship and there are some questions if she will be fair and impartial towards heterosexuals who frown on homosexuality. Meanwhile they're probably making sure they get her a big enough chair to put her fat behind in. She's quite a heffer from my understanding. Cows must envy her!

[AngusJS]

He's selected two so far and both have been women - fat women to be more precise. One of them is a minority Latino woman who made a racist as well as sexist comment about white males awhile back. The other one hasn't taken her (very large) seat yet. There are rumors that she may have been in, or is currently in, a lesbian relationship and there are some questions if she will be fair and impartial towards heterosexuals who frown on homosexuality. Meanwhile they're probably making sure they get her a big enough chair to put her fat behind in. She's quite a heffer from my understanding. Cows must envy her!That's right, forgot about Sotomayor.

Who cares about Kagan's relationships?

Who cares if they're fat?

IIRC Thomas and Scalia aren't exactly Mr. Universe contenders.

[GoldenRivet]

Well Louisiana should have all the right in the world to organize off shore drilling under it's own authorization.

and you know... when they send rigs out there to get it, it should be THEIR oil. Not uncle sam's.

Imagine... Fuel prices in one state being $1.15 / gallon and nearly $3 everywhere else :hmmm:

[Zachstar]

And when other states get affected by their spills? "Tough ****" right?

[GoldenRivet]

Zach, here is a question only you can answer...

How many man made oil spills have occurred in the gulf of mexico... or anywhere around the United States coastal waters for that matter, in say, the last 100 years per billion barrels of oil produced and refined?

EDIT:

besides... im sure that when China, Russia and Louisiana share a monopoly on gulf oil - Louisiana could no doubt afford to lead a cleanup effort.

[Zachstar]

So its alright to ruin the lives of countless fishermen and related industry and wreck tourism and other services as long as we get so many barrels of oil? What?

[mookiemookie]

Zach, here is a question only you can answer...

How many man made oil spills have occurred in the gulf of mexico... or anywhere around the United States coastal waters for that matter, in say, the last 100 years per billion barrels of oil produced and refined?

EDIT:

besides... im sure that when China, Russia and Louisiana share a monopoly on gulf oil - Louisiana could no doubt afford to lead a cleanup effort.

Wiki lists 43 US oil spills: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_oil_spills

So it's okay to do irreparable harm to the environment so some jackass doesn't have to pay more than $3.00 a gallon to drive his Hummer?

We're addicted to oil. More of a drug will not help one kick the habit.

[GoldenRivet]

Wiki lists 43 US oil spills

wow 43?

yeah i saw that.

so lets narrow it down to MAN MADE oil spills. not oil spills which occur naturally or spills caused by natural events like hurricanes etc

So it's okay to do irreparable harm to the environment so some jackass doesn't have to pay more than $3.00 a gallon to drive his Hummer?

So what about the guy with the sub compact that has a 80 mile work commute? not everyone drives H3s dude... get a grip.

We're addicted to oil. More of a drug will not help one kick the habit.

While i agree 10,000% that we need to move to new sources for energy... I dont think systematically dismantling the oil industry in a matter of months is the answer.


i said it a million times if i have said it once.

B.O. should have let the dinosaur GM sink - and should have instead invested that bailout money into an automobile company like "Aptera (http://www.aptera.com/)"

then, after production numbers could reasonably be expected to meet demand... he could have implemented the "Cash for clunkers" program as an incentive for vehicle owners to purchase more "green" cars which would be either hybrid or fully electric.

another one of those pure platinum opportunities the man missed :nope:

[krashkart]

Bah! Fish. All they provide is omega fatty acids anyway. :O:

Seriously though, 43 spills in the US alone (the US makes up the majority of that list BTW) is more than enough of a knock on the noggin. Sure our vehicles require fuel, but we also require untainted food sources. Seafood is healthy for us, and the money generated through fishing/shrimping and oyster farming keeps the fishermen's families fed and happy (also a very healthy thing).

[August]

So what about the guy with the sub compact that has a 80 mile work commute? not everyone drives H3s dude... get a grip.

Not to mention the fact that a guy who can afford an H3 would hardly care if gas goes to $10 bucks a gallon.

[krashkart]

Not to mention the fact that a guy who can afford an H3 would hardly care if gas goes to $10 bucks a gallon.

Spot on. :rotfl2:

[GoldenRivet]

correct.

I recall when i was a regional airline pilot a few years ago, I worked in Dallas, but lived about 90 miles away.

why dont i just move to Dallas?

a. because the cost of living is much higher in those areas for rent etc
b. because my wife already had a decent job locally
c. at a meager $19,000 per year i could barely afford to drive to work, let alone move to a place that would likely double my rent.

the attack on oil is not the answer.

we need a 10 year plan to independence from oil.

and i think BO could have done a good job to give that bailout money to a new on the scene car company to produce all electric and hybrid vehicles.

and then use a rebate program to encourage their purchase.

would have worked... and put us years ahead of schedule on that 10 year plan

[Zachstar]

The aptera will never be cheap enough even being made in a right to work pisshole plant it would take decades before the infranstruture was in place to fully support a sizeable number of them. Meanwhile countless good union jobs would have been lost and many more nonunion related would have also been lost.

[GoldenRivet]

The aptera will never be cheap enough even being made in a right to work pisshole plant it would take decades before the infranstruture was in place to fully support a sizeable number of them. Meanwhile countless good union jobs would have been lost and many more nonunion related would have also been lost.

wont now.

of course they are projecting a base cost of $25,000 - $40,000 depending on options etc.

Furthermore they are only selling them in the state of California:shifty:

HOWEVER

If* the president had injected some 20 Billion dollars into that segment of the auto industry versus the old dinosaur GM, i think one could do a lot with $20B to disperse a vehicle like the aptera and mass produce it in sufficient quantities that it would be widely available even if to some small degree.

[Zachstar]

You cant suddenly "mass produce" something as advanced as a car. On top of that even if they managed to get GMs plants it would take half a decade to retool them to produce such awkward vehicles.

I once thought the same way. But the cost in jobs would be far too great. GM has now recovered somewhat. and is finally listening to the winds of change.

No what is needed is SERIOUS money as a prize for market mass delivery of cheap, reliable, and dense storage for electric vehicles the storage issue is why Oil is still so popular.

[GoldenRivet]

You cant suddenly "mass produce" something as advanced as a car. On top of that even if they managed to get GMs plants it would take half a decade to retool them to produce such awkward vehicles.

didnt i say earlier we needed a "ten year plan"? ;)

of course it wouldnt be an over night operation... but like i said $20 BILLION makes one hell of a motivator. You may not realize it but Aptera is currently building these cars. of course they are building them to order for CA residents only.

If the Aptera or a car like it were available in Texas, i would have purchased one last July. - the big problem with electric hybrid and all electric vehicles thus far IMHO has been one of lack of stylish designs.

the serpentine styling of the Aptera particularly appeals to me over say... the Nissan leaf or the Prius, neither of which are sporty in my opinion.

I think families with 2 cars could really benefit right now by owning one electric or electric-hybrid and one gasoline powered vehicle.

while your family of four is not going to pile into something like the Aptera with its 300mpg range and 2 seat capacity - you might see a number of grocery runs, work commutes and other errands being completed with the car.

My wife and I have already determined that if we owned an all electric vehicle. it would save us between $1,000 and $2,500 in fuel costs annually. Thats a nice vacation (which we haven't had in a while.)

One of my friends who is an electrical engineer claims that an all electric car could be recharged overnight (using aptera's figures) for about $3 to $5 total. And you would really only be charging the electric car once about every 3 or 4 days (maybe once every 15 days depending on commute distance) so your electric bill increases of course... but based on the numbers he ran would only be about $30 more per month assuming you charged it every 4 days. However, your automobile emissions would be nil, and you didnt spend jack squat on fuel. if i used the vehicle for my commute... im looking at substantial savings.

i just find it funny, that America is crying to get free of oil dependency, but then we inject untold billions of dollars into the revitalization of the American Automobile Industry and create a program which encourages current vehicle owners with incentives to trade in their old fossil fuel vehicles for new ones.

nothing about that equation makes sense.

i say - like i have a dozen times - the thing to do would have been to let GM fail.

but...but..you lose all those jobs: been to detroit? its a slum already with hundreds of acres of unoccupied neighborhoods. The jobless rate in America would LEAP from 9.7% to about 10% (keep your eye on the prize that 90% of Americans are still employed) but those people would be able to find jobs with new car companies building new hybrid and electric vehicles once they ramp up production.

the next thing to do would have been to inject that cash into the upstart vehicle companies currently producing these types of cars.

the first thing you are going to see is purchasing of land, and construction of factories and warehouses... like you said this will take about 3 years to tool in a factory. this will come at a cost of several hundred million - oh hell - lets even say 5 billion dollars. (you still have a good $15B left)

the second thing you are going to see is that these car companies are going to need thousands of employees to build cars.

third... dealer networks will emerge.

you wont see a dealer on every corner of every small town in America... I'm talking you might see one dealership per state, or two in particularly large states. so an individual in Illinois might have to drive to Chicago to purchase one and then take it home.

if America really wants independence from oil... we sure are showing it by dumping billions of dollars out so that GM can make more Corvettes, Camaros, Yukons and Silverados. :doh:

[krashkart]

If America really wants independence from oil we would stop buying 'Vettes and Hummers and all those other gas-guzzling monsters. Not likely to happen, though. At least until the alternatives become mainstream (and the alternative sports cars look more "beefy"). But how long might that take, and how much more damage will we have done by then? :rolleyes:

[Platapus]

I just don't understand what a moratorium on drilling new deep water wells will accomplish. We can study the safety issues at the same time they are drilling. It is not like the majority of deep water wells have had accidents. The vast majority of deep water wells are doing just fine.

Does that mean we can ignore the problem? Not at all. The industry and the government needs to study this and develop ways to mitigate the risks and to regulate the industry to limit the risk and the potential damage.

But none of that requires a moratorium on drilling.

It looks to me that this moratorium is more emotionally driven than logically driven. :yep:

I would be in favour of a moratorium if the moratorium would actually accomplish something good. In my opinion, this has not been demonstrated yet.

[SteamWake]

I just don't understand what a moratorium on drilling new deep water wells will accomplish..

Appeasement of the far left constituants is about all. It's not like other countries arent out there drilling.

Meanwhile another judge pretty much says "Oh yea?... Here take that !!!"

NEW ORLEANS -- The federal government is shutting down the dredging that was being done to create protective sand berms in the Gulf of Mexico.

http://www.wdsu.com/news/23997498/detail.html

[Webster]

I just don't understand what a moratorium on drilling new deep water wells will accomplish.

remember their favorite slogan?

"dont let any emergency go to waste when you can use it to forward your agenda in some way"

they wanted to stop all use of coal and oil production since he got in office so they dont want to stop the oil, it helps them more each day it leaks and you see oil soaked birds on tv.

say hello to $12 a gallon gas and goverment subsidised windmills and solar panels in every city in america that only produce enough power to ration how many hours a day you have electricity to use

Obama's socialist utopia goal is for everything you do in life to depend on the goverment in some form

[Stealth Hunter]

Obama's socialist utopia goal is for everything you do in life to depend on the goverment in some form

http://derrenbrown.co.uk/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/its-a-conspiracy.jpg