Mr. Giuliani has it right.

[GoldenRivet]

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2010/06/17/giuliani_if_this_was_bush_he_would_have_been_impea ched_by_now.html

and its even MSNBC (for all the blindly faithful)

"I know exactly what I would have done. The first thing I would have done is to bring in outside experts who knew as much or more about this than BP because I wouldn't trust just BP to run it for me. I wouldn't want my fate, the fate of my people, the fate of the southern part of this country in the hands of BP. I would have gone and I would have called up the people we've been talking about... are there people that are better than BP? YES. Are there people that are FAR better than BP? YES. Give me the people that are the BEST! after all i'm the president of the United States i can get anything i want! I want them here now! and [Obama] has not called any of these people!"

~ Rudy Giuliani


Obama should have gone to Houston, Texas... Mobile, Alabama... Galveston, Texas and got the people with the dirt under their fingernails and the experience in this industry to go down there and put their heads together and manage this problem on week one.

He should have contacted James Cameron, and his deep sea buddies and got them in on the loop too!

he is the President of the United States for crying out loud... he could have had the friggin ghost busters down there if there was any thought that it might do some good.

Instead he gets some "know nothing lab coat" (Direct quote from a petroleum engineer friend of mine) to go down there and they have done nothing to solve this problem.

This is Obama's Katrina... stay as blindly faithful to this loser as any of you want, the man lacks the experience to lead this nation, he is border line treasonous in his actions and ideology, he is a liar more so than any politician i have ever seen and he is about as transparent as a concrete wall, I dont see how the man has ANY supporters left he is just as bad if not worse than Bush.

[nikimcbee]

Comrade, stop being a hater. As zampolit of subsim, I have a message:
I have a plan... to clean up the oil spill:
Yes we can!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v-xQAY3yzek&NR=1

[Tchocky]

Rudy has it wrong. There are 15 foreign vessels int he Gulf working on the operation, and the US has accepted assistance from several nations in the project.

Obama's Katrina? A severe hurricane that you can see coming for days on end is something that the government is designed to cope with, has specialised agencies and contingency plans for. An unexpected oil blowout on a rig.....yeah....that's the same.

[GoldenRivet]

A severe hurricane that you can see coming for days on end



:doh::88)

So exactly how many days of "get the hell out of the city" messages does it take before people GTFO?

Yes... Rudy is right, i never cared much for the man either way BUT HE'S RIGHT.

Why has his response to this disaster been so amateurish?

And speaking of having resources in place to deal with emergencies?

where were the booms?

MILES OF BOOMS sitting in warehouses across the east coast and not one person thought it would be a good idea to truck them to the gulf areas?

and why - for weeks- was BP the sole responder?

i dont see how anyone can tolerate this guy (http://doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/o-monkey.jpg)

[Zachstar]

I wonder how many times he said "Nine eleven" this time? :har:

[Oberon]

He's expanded his vocabulary then.... :hmmm:

EDIT: Dammit Zachstar! :har::up:

[Skybird]

Separates Oil From Water and his brother have sold 30 centrifuge machines they invented, that should help to clean up the mess.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2010/jun/16/kevin-costner-oil-spill-machines

We all know how it will end: the sea will get taken, the native Cubans get driven out, and it all will have been some foreign white man's fault. Afterwards Ridley Scott will make a movie of it all, entitled "Slick Rider - Grease From Hell".

[Tchocky]

So exactly how many days of "get the hell out of the city" messages does it take before people GTFO? The purpose of FEMA is not just to tell people to move.

and why - for weeks- was BP the sole responder? Because they said they could handle it. They were wrong again and again. Still doesn't quite change the fact that government is not in the oil-capping business, never has been.

i dont see how anyone can tolerate this guy (http://doctorbulldog.files.wordpress.com/2009/02/o-monkey.jpg)Nice.

[XabbaRus]

To be honest I'd put money on the fact that none of the other oil companies would be any more prepared than BP.

I wish Obama would shut up. Yes he is using this for political gain.

[GoldenRivet]

Still doesn't quite change the fact that government is not in the oil-capping business, never has been.

The government is in a lot of businesses its never been in lately.

and do you really expect me to believe that the US Gvt doesnt have an oil spill response plan?

well... given the circumstances, either they dont have one... or they dont know how to implement it.

Because they said they could handle it.

i could see that conversation:

BP: "Its cool... only 2.5 million gallons per day... we got it."

Obama: "Oh, aight yo.... peace out!"

His 987th mistake was trusting BP in the first place. :shifty:

[krashkart]

Alright, so Obama is a festering POS. Glad we got that sorted out again. Nice job with the portrait of him, BTW -- except maybe there should be a noose around his neck and a burning cross in the background. You know, to add a little more true American spirit to it. Jeez. :roll:

[GoldenRivet]

Alright, so Obama is a festering POS. Glad we got that sorted out again. Nice job with the portrait of him, BTW -- except maybe there should be a noose around his neck and a burning cross in the background. You know, to add a little more true American spirit to it. Jeez. :roll:

i couldnt find that one

[AngusJS]

Wait, I thought the conservative position was that the government should stay out of BP's way and let them handle the spill?

[Buddahaid]

Wait, I thought the conservative position was that the government should stay out of BP's way and let them handle the spill?

:o Blasphemy! :o

[GoldenRivet]

Wait, I thought the conservative position was that the government should stay out of BP's way and let them handle the spill?

it is.

but, as long as this administration is sticking their noses into everything under the sun, they deserve to be criticized for it when they frack it up.

[Buddahaid]

it is.

but, as long as this administration is sticking their noses into everything under the sun, they deserve to be criticized for it when they frack it up.

Hey, your walking on both sides of the street mate! But since I couldn't stand the Bushies, I know the feeling.

[Platapus]

"I know exactly what I would have done. The first thing I would have done is to bring in outside experts who knew as much or more about this than BP because I wouldn't trust just BP to run it for me. I wouldn't want my fate, the fate of my people, the fate of the southern part of this country in the hands of BP. I would have gone and I would have called up the people we've been talking about... are there people that are better than BP? YES. Are there people that are FAR better than BP? YES. Give me the people that are the BEST! after all i'm the president of the United States i can get anything i want! I want them here now! and [Obama] has not called any of these people!"

~ Rudy Giuliani




That can't be a quote from rudy. He did not mention 911 once. :nope:

[Castout]

Similar thing is happening in my country. Mud with oil and gas gushing out in a place called Sidoarjo east Java covering factories and homes. Little has been done to try to mitigate this. Nobody knows how long the mud is going to continue to flow. The land has begun to subside 0.5 to more than 14m due to the sheer weight of the mud on the surface. Some people argue that it could take hundreds of years before the mud stop flowing. Each day it's believed 100,000 m3 of mud is flowing out. It's a major man made catastrophe and little is being done. It's been flowing out since May 2006.

http://www.kabarindonesia.com/fotoberita/200801/200801161925441.jpg

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EVtmQb0aPW0

[GoldenRivet]

no but the libs he was debating mentioned it about half a dozen times :timeout:

[mookiemookie]

it is.

but, as long as this administration is sticking their noses into everything under the sun, they deserve to be criticized for it when they frack it up.

"The gooberment needs ta stay the hell outta the private sector!"

"The oil spill is..."

"The dadgum gooberment aint doin enough to fix it!"

[August]

"The gooberment needs ta stay the hell outta the private sector!"

"The oil spill is..."

"The dadgum gooberment aint doin enough to fix it!"

"Obama the advocate of off shore oil drilling doesn't care about the poor black people of the Gulf area." See I can play that game too.

[krashkart]

"Obama the advocate of off shore oil drilling doesn't care about the poor black people of the Gulf area." See I can play that game too.

Oooo Can I play too? :D

"It's the Gulf of Mexico's fault for bearing oil in the first place."

"I blame it on the fire. If the flames had made the proper decision not to impinge on any of the steel structure, the rig would not have sunk in the first place."

"Gawldangit! It was the crawfish I tell ya!"


Good, eh? :DL

[August]

Oooo Can I play too? :D

"It's the Gulf of Mexico's fault for bearing oil in the first place."

"I blame it on the fire. If the flames had made the proper decision not to impinge on any of the steel structure, the rig would not have sunk in the first place."

"Gawldangit! It was the crawfish I tell ya!"


Good, eh? :DL

Dude dude dude! Obviously it was those ebil republican dinosaurs fault for decomposing into oil. If they'd just said No To Fossilization we would be all safely living in the stone age and wouldn't be concerned with such modern troubles... :D

[krashkart]

Dude dude dude! Obviously it was those ebil republican dinosaurs fault for decomposing into oil. If they'd just said No To Fossilization we would be all safely living in the stone age and wouldn't be concerned with such modern troubles... :D

:rotfl2:

Blasted right-wing dinosaurs anyway. The left-wing dinosaurs were just as loopy, though. Neither could fly straight, and were constantly accused of flip-flopping onto the issues. If only they had evolved enough to use both wings at the same time... :DL

[AngusJS]

"Obama the advocate of off shore oil drilling doesn't care about the poor black people of the Gulf area." See I can play that game too.Except that's a different game.

The oil spill starts. Obama lets BP handle things, which is what conservatives want. BP fails. Now conservatives say Obama shouldn't have let BP handle things?

It seems like it's just criticism for criticism's sake. Or hypocrisy.

[GoldenRivet]

yes i believe the government should stay out of the private sector.

I also believe that once a member of said private sector causes an ecological disaster of epic proportions... the "Gumment", to some degree, must get involved to protect national assets and interests.

I know it confuses the hell out of you but its simple.

Perhaps we need to give this president a pack of smokes, a particular brand of malt liquor and sumthin' to poke on before he can function on any sort of decision making capacity.

[mookiemookie]

Perhaps we need to give this president a pack of smokes, a particular brand of malt liquor and sumthin' to poke on before he can function on any sort of decision making capacity.

Well, we now know where you stand.

[gimpy117]

Oh of course. The republican party...His harshest critics... also the party of "privatize everything" is now saying the government should handle this one.
(or is it because this too fits their agenda of obama bashing?)

[Buddahaid]

yes i believe the government should stay out of the private sector.

I also believe that once a member of said private sector causes an ecological disaster of epic proportions... the "Gumment", to some degree, must get involved to protect national assets and interests.

I know it confuses the hell out of you but its simple.

Perhaps we need to give this president a pack of smokes, a particular brand of malt liquor and sumthin' to poke on before he can function on any sort of decision making capacity.

Sounds just like what has happened. :doh: Perhaps you should give him a call as you have all the answers. I'm sure no one else has even made any suggestions so far. That's just a poke in the eye for laughs.

All disasters have these same characteristics, the sad part is people forget the lessons too soon and get complacent. What earthquake? We haven't had an earthquake here in thirty years!

At least BP is getting stuck to the wall. Exxon :arrgh!: payed out $15,000 compensation to the people who lost their businesses after 20 years of corporate BS. :stare:

Anyway, off to bed. :yawn:

[August]

Oh of course. The republican party...His harshest critics... also the party of "privatize everything" is now saying the government should handle this one.
(or is it because this too fits their agenda of obama bashing?)


Face it, the Obama administration was slow to react and has accomplished little if anything since. If this were Bush you'd be frothing at the mouth far worse so quick crying crocodile tears now that the shoe is on the other foot.

[GoldenRivet]

Its all part of a master plan to turn the oil industry into the new tobacco.

Obama is one of the more hated people in America... and he is milking all of this event for every drop so he can divert attention away from himself and onto BP.

one fact is for sure, the US Government has grown too massive, and is made up of way too many committees and organizations and pet projects - so many so that it is in effect, totally useless.

I didnt say i had all the answers there Budda... however, the fact remains that this has been a media bitching fest between Obama and BP, and though there are token efforts being made we really need to involve all the major experts in this instead of sending some go-green, tree hugging, hippie lab coated brainiac down there just so he can shrug his shoulders.

One idea im all for is submerging a massive non-nuclear depth charge to the source of the spill, then detonating it. Petroleum experts i have spoken with personally claim that there is a fair chance the thing will collapse in on itself, and the cave in could close off the flow. They have further pointed out various risks with such an activity, but share the opinion "This is already bad and getting worse... the time to do something was 3 weeks ago."

so far... thats what im in favor of. it beats the hell out of just driving a bunch of boats around in this muck and dolling out reparations to the victims (which usually comes after the smoke has settled... not while the fire is raging)

but, when it comes to petroleum, im just a lay-person. yet -I have heard more ideas circulated around my office water cooler at work from engineers I associate with than i have heard of on the news.

[Tribesman]

Perhaps we need to give this president a pack of smokes, a particular brand of malt liquor and sumthin' to poke on before he can function on any sort of decision making capacity.
Thats a nice follow up to your picture of a monkey.

Its all part of a master plan to turn the oil industry into the new tobacco.

Its a conspiracy I tell ya.

Obama is one of the more hated people in America
Just like Bush was...I guess it goes with the job

One idea im all for is submerging a massive non-nuclear depth charge to the source of the spill, then detonating it. Petroleum experts i have spoken with personally claim that there is a fair chance the thing will collapse in on itself,
Isn't that an idea the dumb "lab coats" who don't know nuffin about oil discussed when they came down to consult with the experts several weeks ago.

[Buddahaid]

Its all part of a master plan to turn the oil industry into the new tobacco.

Obama is one of the more hated people in America... and he is milking all of this event for every drop so he can divert attention away from himself and onto BP.

one fact is for sure, the US Government has grown too massive, and is made up of way too many committees and organizations and pet projects - so many so that it is in effect, totally useless.

I didnt say i had all the answers there Budda... however, the fact remains that this has been a media bitching fest between Obama and BP, and though there are token efforts being made we really need to involve all the major experts in this instead of sending some go-green, tree hugging, hippie lab coated brainiac down there just so he can shrug his shoulders.

One idea im all for is submerging a massive non-nuclear depth charge to the source of the spill, then detonating it. Petroleum experts i have spoken with personally claim that there is a fair chance the thing will collapse in on itself, and the cave in could close off the flow. They have further pointed out various risks with such an activity, but share the opinion "This is already bad and getting worse... the time to do something was 3 weeks ago."

so far... thats what im in favor of. it beats the hell out of just driving a bunch of boats around in this muck and dolling out reparations to the victims (which usually comes after the smoke has settled... not while the fire is raging)

but, when it comes to petroleum, im just a lay-person. yet -I have heard more ideas circulated around my office water cooler at work from engineers I associate with than i have heard of on the news.

I fear that big bang solution even more than the current muddle. It may collapse ans seal it, but it also may just open a bigger hole. Too much uncertainty for my peace of mind and glad I'm not in the big chair.

What this really points out is we aren't smart enough to safely extract oil from these locations yet.

[krashkart]

I fear that big bang solution even more than the current muddle. It may collapse ans seal it, but it also may just open a bigger hole. Too much uncertainty for my peace of mind and glad I'm not in the big chair.

That's kinda what I was thinking, too, and it has been discussed (regarding a nuclear device) in another thread with the same risk pointed out. Hammers tend to break things pretty easily if not finessed.



What this really points out is we aren't smart enough to safely extract oil from these locations yet.Hard to disagree with you there. :shifty: