View Full Version : Helen Thomas - Lets move to Germany and Poland
Dimitrius07
06-17-10, 03:51 PM
Another lost case or 3rd reich in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kx8t6uW9Nk&feature=related
I heard this long time ago in fact, it was from a religion of "peace". Before you post your same old garbage i want you to know that i like you a lot :yep:, really!! I mean it :yeah:.
O well home sweet home, pogroms, night of the broken glass and so on.... There is no better place that home :rock:
Skybird
06-17-10, 05:17 PM
I think she got fired from the WH press corps some days ago, or not? Or better: kicked out with a big boot...?
Tchocky
06-17-10, 05:24 PM
Retired, but a clear case of before-I'm-pushed
Dimitrius07
06-17-10, 05:50 PM
The interesting thing is no matter whatever she likes "me" or not, she make me sick :D. And if i look to her photo more that 1 minute i won`t be able to eat again. The more interesting thing is she is a perfect example of nazi antisemitic stereotype propaganda before ww2,:hmmm: maybe another self hating witch who will put me in the gas chambers in order to survive another day. This is how i see it :88).
DarkFish
06-17-10, 06:26 PM
I don't see how she can be somehow labeled a Nazi. She isn't saying anything bad about the Jews. Just that the Jews should get out of Israel. The Nazi's wanted the Jews dead. She doesn't. (well at least she doesn't say so:))
And quite frankly, though I don't think the Jews should move back to where they came from, I do agree with her that Israel occupies Palestine.
But we've had this discussion already, http://subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=170397, so I can't really see why we should have another one. The pro-Israelians (you, MH, Skybird, etc.) aren't gonna change their minds, neither are the pro-Palestinians (me, OneToughHerring, etc.)
DarkFish
06-17-10, 06:30 PM
Also, it surprises me how many people here (especially the Israelians themselves) confuse anti-Israelism with antisemitism.
Happy Times
06-17-10, 06:56 PM
She is an Arab by birth right?
She just revealed she has never been a neutral observer.:yeah:
Foxtrot
06-17-10, 07:36 PM
Well, Germans have killed more Jewish folks (WWII) followed by Brits (leading the Crusades). So I think Germans and Brits should compensate Jewish folks by giving any land in their countries Jewish folks point at :)
Personally I would want Munich :D
Also, it surprises me how many people here (especially the Israelians themselves) confuse anti-Israelism with antisemitism.
Because from what i've seen the former is usually promoted loudest by people who subscribe to the latter.
NeonSamurai
06-17-10, 09:13 PM
Well, Germans have killed more Jewish folks (WWII) followed by Brits (leading the Crusades). So I think Germans and Brits should compensate Jewish folks by giving any land in their countries Jewish folks point at :)
Personally I would want Munich :D
Don't forget the Russians and surrounding countries, Spain, Italy, France, all of the middle east (they use to get together massacre them all the time).
Also a lot of anti-Israel sentiment is often rooted in antisemitism from my experience.
mookiemookie
06-17-10, 09:56 PM
Well maybe the Palestinians should go back to where THEY came from...
What's that?
Oh...wait...
Also a lot of anti-Israel sentiment is often rooted in antisemitism from my experience.
And a lot of it isn't. With every other country in the world, one can rightly criticize the foreign policy decisions of a country without being accused of religious or racial bias. But in the case of Israel, they can't. It's a total BS cop-out.
Well maybe the Palestinians should go back to where THEY came from...
What's that?
Oh...wait...
You mean like Yassir Arafat who was born in Cairo? Or perhaps you mean like the several million Jewish and Arab Israelis born in Israel?
Another lost case or 3rd reich in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kx8t6uW9Nk&feature=related
I heard this long time ago in fact, it was from a religion of "peace". Before you post your same old garbage i want you to know that i like you a lot :yep:, really!! I mean it :yeah:.
O well home sweet home, pogroms, night of the broken glass and so on.... There is no better place that home :rock:
Yep scary old bitch...
mookiemookie
06-17-10, 11:04 PM
You mean like Yassir Arafat who was born in Cairo? Or perhaps you mean like the several million Jewish and Arab Israelis born in Israel?
Eh, but who's counting, right?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/69/BritishMandatePalestine1920.png
Indeed.
http://www.netzarim.co.il/Shared/Temunot/Map%20Israel%201000%20BCE%20%28Hammond%29%20980x14 27.jpg
thorn69
06-18-10, 12:34 AM
Another lost case or 3rd reich in action.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7Kx8t6uW9Nk&feature=related
I heard this long time ago in fact, it was from a religion of "peace". Before you post your same old garbage i want you to know that i like you a lot :yep:, really!! I mean it :yeah:.
O well home sweet home, pogroms, night of the broken glass and so on.... There is no better place that home :rock:
I just can't see how you can play Silent Hunter 2, 3, and 5 that are based on Nazi Germany WWII U-boats that sank ships carrying Jew supporting allies but have a problem with some old woman and her $0.02 about modern day Israel? Do you play as a rogue U-boat Captain that commits high treason against Nazi Germany by sinking your own ships or something? :doh:
You know, if ANY other country occupied an area the way Israel is occupying Palestine they'd be slapped with war crimes against humanity by the UN. But because it's Israel nobody feels compelled to say anything negative about what they're doing because of the whole Holocaust ordeal and the sheer hatred 90% of the world shares with Israel against the Arabs. It's sort of like how a black man can be blatantly racist towards a white man in America and nobody says or does crap about it, but if the white man said anything about the black man, he'd be labeled a racist and damn near jailed for it. You can't even be against Obama if your white without being labeled a racist! That's how ridiculous it's gotten!
I'm not sure if it passed or not, but New York tried to make it a punishable crime to for a white man to call a black man the "N" word. They wanted it to fall under "hate crime". I think the "freedom of speech" laws prevented that from actually passing and I'm glad if that's the case. Too many folks wear their feelings on their sleeves these days but seem all to eager to dole out medicine they aren't willing to take themselves!
Your comments about Helen Thomas being "third reich" are a lot more offensive than what her feelings were about Israel though. You just called her a Jew murdering Nazi more or less and all she did was answer a question about how she felt about Israel. That's not even close to being in the same league!
I'm glad she retired though. She should have used better tact during the interview then what she did and she knows it. A good reporter never lets anyone know how they really feel about anything. They're supposed to be neutral in appearance but that seems to be going away a lot these days as several reporters have made it very evident how they truly feel about things going on in the media. You mostly see this in left vs right politics in America. It's a shame because reporters are being used as political tools to steer people into following a specific ideological path instead of allowing people to just hear the facts and making up their own minds.
To me, it will be a sad day in America if verbal racism is ever criminally punished under the law. To me, that's just censorship and is clearly unconstitutional. It's a way for one side to silence the other side and that's just wrong. Everybody should be able to express themselves freely without restraints on those feelings whenever and wherever. It's only those foolish enough to physically act out on their feelings that should be held accountable. But there's nothing wrong with verbal communication in my book. Labeling a person as a racist for verbally expressing their feelings is just wrong. Why not try to befriend them instead and show them why they are wrong about you? All name calling and labeling does is makes them hate you even more and it creates a non-stop cycle of hatred!
I always found it funny when I worked in corrections and I saw how the blacks and whites segregated themselves in the cafeteria. Black people back in the day wanted white people to give them a chance, and still do, yet they've never seemed very eager to actually sit down with white folks and get to know them. Instead, most of them like to distance themselves from whites and label them as racists because the whites aren't getting up and sitting down with them. But where I come from, if you want something - you've got to get it yourself! And that's just my $0.02! ;)
Skybird
06-18-10, 02:56 AM
Offending some person in public by calling him harsh names or showing him obsecene gestures can bring you to court, at least in germany. Even easier that could happen if that person wears a police uniform.
You can also be brought to court for defamation of character (Rufmord), or slander (Verleumdung, üble Nachrede).
Racism, ignoring the origin of it in a person'S thinking, is all that in one, generalised for a whole people. Why not bringing people to court if insulting a person with active racist behaviour? By "active" I mean that the offender really must have done something active like approaching a person and then calling him names, or making racist statements in public. Passive behavior like just being there, or just in your habits refusing to deal with somebody you do not like, should not be persecuted. It also would be a huge unvitation for what we see happening with Islam so often these days: to be accused of racism for just refusing to like it and insisting of wanting to behave not in accordance with it.
The term racism today is abused and mis-defined a lot these days, but that does not chn age the fact that it has a clearly defined, well laid out meaning, which - if limited to this basis - serves well as a reason why to bring somebody to court if he shows active behavior that qualifies as racist offending.
Not douj ng so would also deplete us of one weapon to piush back Islamic crowds in German cities who often are openly racist against Jews.
thgat the laws are not used agai8nst Islamic antisemitism and racism, or that racism is allowed to get hijacked by politcal correctness brigades for enforcing collective Islamophilia, is a problem that we have to accept responsibility for, and that is home-made, by ouselves.Nobody forced us to gio this way. But these failures of ours, these abuses of relatively clear, strict defintions of what it is, do not chnage the fact that active racism under many circumstances can be seen and is being seen as a punishable crime.
The call often may be hard to make, and it may be difficult for a court to correctly identify where the line is set that differs what is punishable from what is not. Nevertheless I think it is important that courts embark on this challenge, becasue I see in our modern every-day present where it leads to when every diffamation and offence and lie is accepted because precious claims that these acts are motivated by a religion make them untouchable. so, yes, the difference between what is covered by freedom of speech, and racism, may be hard to make, but I think in a social community there must be rules to make living-together as smooth and conflict-free as possible in such acrowd, and while there can be a relatively huge ammount of freedom being achieved, I certainly do not want an anarchy with total, unlimited feedom for everybody that only gets decided by who is stronger, yells louder and gets out his gun faster. That kind of Wild West freedom really is the last thing we could need on a planet with 6 billion people, counting up.
Civilisation and culture is not about having total freedom for everybody, that simply is impossible. It is about giving everybody the highest possible ammount of freedom without that being at costs for others that are higher than the costs to you, it is about legal protection of basic rights no matter whether you are strong or weak, and justice.
Without justice, freedom is worth not much. Without freedom, justice is not worth much. You want both, and thus you have to accept that you cannot have total freedom for yourself - because at the cost of all others that necessarily would be.
caspofungin
06-18-10, 07:11 AM
Also a lot of anti-Israel sentiment is often rooted in antisemitism from my experience.
And a lot of it isn't. With every other country in the world, one can rightly criticize the foreign policy decisions of a country without being accused of religious or racial bias. But in the case of Israel, they can't. It's a total BS cop-out.
that's why there's never going to be an intelligent objective discussion about israel/palestine, let alone some kind of solution. because the instant anyone suggests anything to the detriment of israel, they're accused of anti-semitism.
With every other country in the world, one can rightly criticize the foreign policy decisions of a country without being accused of religious or racial bias. But in the case of Israel, they can't. It's a total BS cop-out.
Yes it is total BS to me when some interned wise guy thinks he has a right to a opinion about right of existence of Israel.
There is a big difference between disagreeing with foreign policy of Israel and telling all Jews to **** of back to Europe.
What made you think that you have a right to your country and i don't.
Jews are not a nation?-tell this to 6 million dead who tried to be German or Polish or French.
But again its like accusing you of antisemitism or playing on your guilt right?
If something makes you feel antisemitic maybe you really are....
Actually i don't give damn if you are antisemitic or feel guilty or not.
I give damn about that that my grandfather called himself a Pole and almost got gazzed -he was a lucky one.
I give damn about that all French Jews who were put on first class(thats French style) trains to Auschwitz
You want to criticize Israeli politics then do it but don't decide for me if i have a right to live here.
If Palestinians were giving **** about themselves they could have their country from 17 years ago.
If you spoke to any common Palestinian above 40 you would know that they actually miss the pre PLO and Hammas times.
They miss proper Israeli occupation.(im not sure you know what im talking about here lol)
Opening thread like this is BS too.
Takeda Shingen
06-18-10, 07:24 AM
Indeed.
http://www.netzarim.co.il/Shared/Temunot/Map%20Israel%201000%20BCE%20%28Hammond%29%20980x14 27.jpg
Or again.
http://www.greatdreams.com/war/space/hittite3.jpg
History has many things to teach us about where we have been and
where we shouldn't go again, but it is very poor at telling us where we
should go next.
Little good has come from people who say "Event 'a' happened in the past
and therefore we/you should do action 'x' in the future".
Bilge_Rat
06-18-10, 07:34 AM
that's why there's never going to be an intelligent objective discussion about israel/palestine, let alone some kind of solution. because the instant anyone suggests anything to the detriment of israel, they're accused of anti-semitism.
well, when many comments are along the line of "the jews should leave Palestine" or "israel is guilty of war crimes", blah, blah, blah, you will not get any type of mature discussion, just the type of mindless posturing we had in the "flotilla" thread.
Any type of lasting peace in the region has as a pre-requisite that Israel's security within its pre-1967 borders be garanteed. Anything less than that is not even worth discussing.
Tchocky
06-18-10, 07:36 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Pangaea_continentsHe.png/533px-Pangaea_continentsHe.png
Takeda Shingen
06-18-10, 07:38 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Pangaea_continentsHe.png/533px-Pangaea_continentsHe.png
:rotfl2:
Very well, we must give Pangaea back to the the Pangaeans.
[image]
Haha!
I had just googled pangea and put it in my post, but then decided against it.
Glad someone did.
Happy Times
06-18-10, 07:45 AM
well, when many comments are along the line of "the jews should leave Palestine" or "israel is guilty of war crimes", blah, blah, blah, you will not get any type of mature discussion, just the type of mindless posturing we had in the "flotilla" thread.
Any type of lasting peace in the region has as a pre-requisite that Israel's security within its pre-1967 borders be garanteed. Anything less than that is not even worth discussing.
But are any of those people ever protesting against the crimes committed by the Palestinian terrorists or other terror organizations?
Not a single democracy in worlds Muslim countries?
It reveals something very sinister about these people.
It is also a good example how effective the brainwash, organized from Moscow, by the KGB, was among Western Socialists during the Cold War.
Now it supports itself without support, new generations have been raised by parents that have been taught to hate Israel.
AngusJS
06-18-10, 07:58 AM
But are any of those people ever protesting against the crimes committed by the Palestinian terrorists or other terror organizations?Palestinian terror is wrong and stupid. But that does not change the fact that they have been wronged.
Not a single democracy in worlds Muslim countries?
It reveals something very sinister about these people.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey
But anyway, what exactly does it reveal? Does the paucity of democratic governments in Africa reveal something sinister about Africans? Are they bad people?
It is also a good example how effective the brainwash, organized from Moscow, by the KGB, was among Western Socialists during the Cold War.Yes, wanting justice for the Palestinians 1) equals hatred of Israel and 2) obviously could only have been implanted in Western minds by the KGB.
:roll:
AngusJS
06-18-10, 08:06 AM
You want to criticize Israeli politics then do it but don't decide for me if i have a right to live here.Can we criticize your right to live in a settlement in the West Bank? Or is that anti-semitism too?
Happy Times
06-18-10, 08:09 AM
Palestinian terror is wrong and stupid. But that does not change the fact that they have been wronged.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkey
Turkeys democracy i dont consider working at the moment especially.:haha:
But anyway, what exactly does it reveal? Does the paucity of democratic governments in Africa reveal something sinister about Africans? Are they bad people?
I was talking about lack of condemnation of these goverments.
Yes, wanting justice for the Palestinians 1) equals hatred of Israel and 2) obviously could only have been implanted in Western minds by the KGB.
:roll:
You really should look honestly about the history of the KGB Active measures, trying to belittle their effect reveals only ignorance.
What i know about them in my country i dont believe that they didnt have the same effect in other European countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measures
Promotion of terrorist organizations worldwide
Soviet secret services have been described as "the primary instructors of terrorists worldwide"[3][22][23] According to Ion Mihai Pacepa, KGB General Aleksandr Sakharovsky once said: "In today’s world, when nuclear arms have made military force obsolete, terrorism should become our main weapon."[24] He also claimed that "Airplane hijacking is my own invention". In 1969 alone 82 planes were hijacked worldwide by the KGB-financed PLO.[24] George Habash, who worked under KGB guidance[1] , explained:
"Killing one Jew far away from the field of battle is more effective than killing a hundred Jews on the field of battle, because it attracts more attention."[24]
Lt. General Ion Mihai Pacepa described operation "SIG" (“Zionist Governments”) that was devised in 1972, to turn the whole Islamic world against Israel and the United States. KGB chairman Yury Andropov allegedly explained to Pacepa that
"a billion adversaries could inflict far greater damage on America than could a few millions. We needed to instill a Nazi-style hatred for the Jews throughout the Islamic world, and to turn this weapon of the emotions into a terrorist bloodbath against Israel and its main supporter, the United States"[25]
The following liberation organizations have been allegedly established by the KGB: PLO, National Liberation Army of Bolivia (created in 1964 with help from Ernesto Che Guevara); the National Liberation Army of Colombia (created in 1965 with help from Cuba), Democratic Front for the Liberation of Palestine in 1969, and the Secret Army for Liberation of Armenia in 1975.[26]
Tchocky
06-18-10, 08:24 AM
If the present situation is a result of that effort, I would hardly call it effective.
Jimbuna
06-18-10, 08:25 AM
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/a/af/Pangaea_continentsHe.png/533px-Pangaea_continentsHe.png
LOL
No blockades around Panthalassa mind :DL
AngusJS
06-18-10, 08:25 AM
You really should look honestly about the history of the KGB Active measures, trying to belittle their effect reveals only ignorance.
What i know about them in my country i dont believe that they didnt have the same effect in other European countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_measuresIslamic world != Western world. And I don't think the KGB's efforts were particularly necessary in instilling hatred of Israel in the House of Islam.
Happy Times
06-18-10, 08:26 AM
Islamic world != Western world. And I don't think the KGB's efforts were particularly necessary in instilling hatred of Israel in the House of Islam.
Ignorance is a bliss.
Can we criticize your right to live in a settlement in the West Bank? Or is that anti-semitism too?
Sure you can...Israel proved many times that it is wiling to give up settelments for secure peace.
Gaza is good example of how Israel got screwed up in that department.
Do you even remember that Israel abandoned many settlements around Gaza and turned the land over to Palestinians ?
What came out of this is-hammas and rocket bombing on Israeli towns.:damn:
Now bombing hammas and killing terrorist is war crime.
AngusJS
06-18-10, 08:30 AM
Ignorance is a bliss.So you've provided no evidence for your claim, yet doubting it amounts to ignorance? :doh:
AngusJS
06-18-10, 08:33 AM
Sure you can...Israel proved many times that it is wiling to give up settelments for secure peace.Then why do you keep building the bloody things?
http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/Israel-Tells-US-East-Jerusalem-Construction-Will-Continue-91800409.html
Happy Times
06-18-10, 08:36 AM
So you've provided no evidence for your claim, yet doubting it amounts to ignorance? :doh:
Sure,ill provide when i feel like browsing the internet:yeah:.
I have a lot of books, i still think thats the best way to go.
Im in my summer vacation, i have better things to do than teach modern history to people.
Im just sure that what ever i present will be pushed side by the Reds in Subsim.
I apologize if you sincerely wanted to get in to the subject.
Weiss Pinguin
06-18-10, 09:02 AM
Or again.
http://www.greatdreams.com/war/space/hittite3.jpg
And that's the thing. People were there before, but according to God the Israelites were supposed to move in, clean house, and settle down. But if you don't believe in God/believe in another god then that's bunk and the Israeli's have no right to that area and so it belongs to the Palestinians.
Then why do you keep building the bloody things?
http://www1.voanews.com/english/news/middle-east/Israel-Tells-US-East-Jerusalem-Construction-Will-Continue-91800409.html
Because every time Israel give up on something the situation just worsens.
Every time Israel gives in is like HURRAY to jihad.
Then we get accused of war crimes.:damn:
Strange world.
thorn69
06-18-10, 09:13 AM
I don't think many of us have a problem with Israel existing but we question the tactics that Israel is deploying because if anybody else used those same tactics they'd get slapped with war crimes. Starving off Palestinians with blockades and "occupying" their land is absolute extremism. Just imagine the hell that would be unleashed if North Korea decided to "occupy" South Korea and tried to re-claim South Korean land as their own. That wouldn't bode over too well with the US and Japan it would amount to a declaration of war. Kim Jong Il would be brought up on war crimes if he did something like that.
Furthermore, Jews had left the area that is now Israel, thousands of years ago, and migrated over to European areas like Poland and Germany. After WWII they boarded ships and went back to "reclaim" Israel. But that's about on par with leaving your parking spot at Walmart and coming back later to be disappointed somebody else took your previous spot.
How would American's feel if millions of Mexicans boarded ships and crossed the gulf over to Flordia to reclaim that state as their own because the Spanish founded it hundreds of years ago? Oh wait a minute, we're already beginning to see this, although the illegals are simply walking across the border into Arizona and going wherever the hell they want and claiming it as Mexican land. They even fly the Mexican flag over the American one they turn upside down! :stare:
It's not racism to question Israeli existence as nobody is declaring their race as being greater than any other. It's nationalism because people are declaring who technically has claim to the land there. Of course racist antics are being flung around between both sides because both sides are too pigheaded and stubborn to negotiate peacefully. I'm sorry Israel, but you seem to show up to peace negotiations with blatant threats and that's the wrong way to go about it. Learn to play nice and maybe niceness can happen!
And that's the thing. People were there before, but according to God the Israelites were supposed to move in, clean house, and settle down. But if you don't believe in God/believe in another god then that's bunk and the Israeli's have no right to that area and so it belongs to the Palestinians.
Yes very smart i start packing right now.
Damn where is my Barbie.:wah:
Dimitrius07
06-18-10, 09:47 AM
Also, it surprises me how many people here (especially the Israelians themselves) confuse anti-Israelism with antisemitism.
I think if you put away your hatred for a moment and read between the lines you will understand why i call this Helen a modern jew hating nazi. Germany and Poland ha :nope:. You know i think i start to understand the meaning of phrase:
"Antisemitic troll will show up sooner or latter". Have a nice day :D
Tchocky
06-18-10, 09:50 AM
DarkFish is antisemitic?
Dimitrius07
06-18-10, 09:58 AM
I just can't see how you can play Silent Hunter 2, 3, and 5 that are based on Nazi Germany WWII U-boats that sank ships carrying Jew supporting allies but have a problem with some old woman and her $0.02 about modern day Israel? Do you play as a rogue U-boat Captain that commits high treason against Nazi Germany by sinking your own ships or something?
Tell me BOY. Does your parents throw you up high in the air in your childhood and forgot to catch? What kind of argument is this? We talking about your good friend Helen Thomas, and not Silent hunter game style. If you don`t have anything interesting to say, take my advice and stop making fool out of your self. :nope:
Dimitrius07
06-18-10, 10:30 AM
Because every time Israel give up on something the situation just worsens.
Every time Israel gives in is like HURRAY to jihad.
Then we get accused of war crimes.:damn:
Strange world.
You know why the situation is worsen? Because act of "giving something" for jihadists is a sign of weakness, thats why. The only thing modern nazis understand is power of UZI. Remember Kosovo? :D We all know how it ends :yep:, or it just a beginning :06:.
Takeda Shingen
06-18-10, 10:36 AM
And that's the thing. People were there before, but according to God the Israelites were supposed to move in, clean house, and settle down. But if you don't believe in God/believe in another god then that's bunk and the Israeli's have no right to that area and so it belongs to the Palestinians.
Yes. Just about anywhere, you can find that any piece of land used to belong to someone else. I live on land that rightfully belongs to the Lenape Nation. They no doubt believed in their divine right to live here as well. Of course, their treatment by European settlers was reprehensible, and beoynd excuse. Still, I don't plan to give up my home. I would not expect an Israeli to give up his home, but he would be wise to note that there are a number of people that take exception to his presence. Nothing anti-semetic about it. But, such is the story of the Middle East. Why anyone would want to live in such a place is beyond me.
Dimitrius07
06-18-10, 10:37 AM
Sure,ill provide when i feel like browsing the internet:yeah:.
I have a lot of books, i still think thats the best way to go.
Im in my summer vacation, i have better things to do than teach modern history to people.
Im just sure that what ever i present will be pushed side by the Reds in Subsim.
I apologize if you sincerely wanted to get in to the subject.
I prefer to call it: "No matter how many times you feed the dog, she will still bark". :yeah:
AngusJS
06-18-10, 10:51 AM
DarkFish is antisemitic?Well you see, Dimitrius disagrees with him, so obviously he must be an anti-semite. Mookiemookie must be one too, because MH disagrees with him. :roll: :nope:
OneToughHerring
06-18-10, 10:53 AM
Angus,
HT always does this when asked to give some proof for his racist and other ramblings.
Sure,ill provide when i feel like browsing the internet:yeah:.
I have a lot of books, i still think thats the best way to go.
Im in my summer vacation, i have better things to do than teach modern history to people.
Im just sure that what ever i present will be pushed side by the Reds in Subsim.
I apologize if you sincerely wanted to get in to the subject.
Gee Angus it must make you feel great to have OTH on your side eh?
Happy Times
06-18-10, 10:56 AM
Angus,
HT always does this when asked to give some proof for his racist and other ramblings.
HAH!!!
BS accusation coming from a BS machine.
What did you study in the university because you are incompetent in most issues?
Have you found work or are you still leaching our welfare?
Punikki nulkki!
OneToughHerring
06-18-10, 10:56 AM
Edit.
Hopefully the message went through. :)
Happy Times
06-18-10, 10:57 AM
Tuu sanomaan naamaa vasten jos uskallat vitun pelekuri!
Koska vain missä vain, tuo kaveritkin niin on tasaväkistä.:D
Tchocky
06-18-10, 10:58 AM
Stop making up words, you guys. It's not fair on the rest of us!
AngusJS
06-18-10, 10:58 AM
Gee Angus it must make you feel great to have OTH on your side eh?Irrelevant, but nice try. I could say the same about people on your side, but I won't stoop to that.
OneToughHerring
06-18-10, 11:00 AM
Stop making up words, you guys. It's not fair on the rest of us!
Oh it's just death threats, the usual Finnish stuff. :)
Irrelevant, but nice try. I could say the same about people on your side, but I won't stoop to that.
I might be wrong but I don't think there are any openly anti-semites on my side.
Dimitrius07
06-18-10, 11:02 AM
Koska vain missä vain, tuo kaveritkin niin on tasaväkistä.:D
Kuinka alas voi vajota :hmmm:
OneToughHerring
06-18-10, 11:02 AM
Koska vain missä vain, tuo kaveritkin niin on tasaväkistä.:D
Let's talk in English so everyone understands.
Ok so we're gonna fight "mano i mano" as they say. And no I don't need any friends for it. So the question remains of the location of said fight. Any suggestions?
Tchocky
06-18-10, 11:04 AM
*Googles for public webcams in Helsinki*
Dimitrius07
06-18-10, 11:06 AM
As you can see, i can also play this games :woot:. Do we have rules in this forum? Or it just work in random ways, wish is funny :haha:
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BTW. Another well know troll tactic. If a person have nothing to say or don`t have anything to put someone else down, he start to spam in order to drawn attention to something else but not to a first post. All come down to same, big mouth and zero arguments.
Jimbuna
06-18-10, 11:06 AM
HAH!!!
BS accusation coming from a BS machine.
What did you study in the university because you are incompetent in most issues?
Have you found work or are you still leaching our welfare?
Punikki nulkki!
Hold on a minute.....I was under the impression he was waiting to leave school before commencing national service :hmmm:
AngusJS
06-18-10, 11:07 AM
I might be wrong but I don't think there are any openly anti-semites on my side.There are a few on your side who I would classify as being cuckoo for Coco Puffs, but that would be irrelevant, because...
http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/genetic/
Jimbuna
06-18-10, 11:08 AM
*Googles for public webcams in Helsinki*
ROFLMAO :rotfl2:
OneToughHerring
06-18-10, 11:08 AM
Hold on a minute.....I was under the impression he was waiting to leave school before commencing national service :hmmm:
Nah, long gone are those days.
There are a few on your side who I would classify as being cuckoo for Coco Puffs, but that would be irrelevant, because...
http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/genetic/
I bet you were good at dodge ball defense weren't you? :salute:
AngusJS
06-18-10, 11:26 AM
I bet you were good at dodge ball defense weren't you? :salute:
:confused:
Pointing out fallacious reasoning = dodging a question...how?
Anyway, I sucked at dodgeball, in both offense and defense. :oops:
Weiss Pinguin
06-18-10, 11:47 AM
Anyway, I sucked at dodgeball, in both offense and defense. :oops:
I'm a rockin dodgeball thrower, but on defense it's like I'm moving in a nightmare :o
Well you see, Dimitrius disagrees with him, so obviously he must be an anti-semite. Mookiemookie must be one too, because MH disagrees with him. :roll: :nope:
Oh people you are so stuped...or detached i don't know....
It just like you don't understand anything thats written as long as it doesn't back up what you WANT to think.
Whats funny you are talking about inability of having INTELLIGENT debate.:damn:
Sailor Steve
06-18-10, 12:38 PM
Furthermore, Jews had left the area that is now Israel, thousands of years ago, and migrated over to European areas like Poland and Germany. After WWII they boarded ships and went back to "reclaim" Israel. But that's about on par with leaving your parking spot at Walmart and coming back later to be disappointed somebody else took your previous spot.
Bad analogy. You left out the part where somebody else trashed your car and forced you to leave the parking lot, and threatened to kill you if you tried to come back. You act as if they left willingly.
Dimitrius07
06-18-10, 01:01 PM
Oh people you are so stuped...or detached i don't know....
It just like you don't understand anything thats written as long as it doesn't back up what you WANT to think.
Whats funny you are talking about inability of having INTELLIGENT debate.:damn:
Its a typical antisemitic troll tactic. Twisted lies, nothing more. Somehow now i am an antisemite, yeah right.... nazis are desperate this days.:yeah:
Anyways, i think i found a perfect combination, too bad i lost my lunch in the process.
http://img685.imageshack.us/img685/9427/hellenbitch.jpg
:hmmm: Something is missing
OneToughHerring
06-18-10, 01:07 PM
Bad analogy. You left out the part where somebody else trashed your car and forced you to leave the parking lot, and threatened to kill you if you tried to come back. You act as if they left willingly.
Not too sure about that. However, what I find alarming is that many zionists think that Jewish people should only live in Israel. That Jewish people shouldn't go back to live in Europe etc. Isn't that kind of what the nazis had in mind?
AngusJS
06-18-10, 01:30 PM
Somehow now i am an antisemite,The "he" in my post referred to Darkfish, not you.
Anyway,
Its a typical antisemitic troll tactic. Twisted lies, nothing more...nazis are desperate this days.But again its like accusing you of antisemitism or playing on your guilt right?
If something makes you feel antisemitic maybe you really are....
QED
Not too sure about that. However, what I find alarming is that many zionists think that Jewish people should only live in Israel. That Jewish people shouldn't go back to live in Europe etc. Isn't that kind of what the nazis had in mind?
:rock::rock::rock::rock:
Yes it is-did you know that Israel was founded by secret nazi organization.
Actually Holocaust never happened it was a nazi cover up just to create Israeli state and let the Jews take over the world.
All this jihad thing its also our creation if It wasn't for Jews, Europeans and Arabs would be eating humus from the same plate joking about Mohamed.
Hey OTH you got another fun thread here.:up:
AVGWarhawk
06-18-10, 02:01 PM
:rock::rock::rock::rock:
Yes it is-did you know that Israel was founded by secret nazi organization.
Actually Holocaust never happened it was a nazi cover up just to create Israeli state and let the Jews take over the world.
All this jihad thing its also our creation if It wasn't for Jews, Europeans and Arabs would be eating humus from the same plate joking about Mohamed.
Hey OTH you got another fun thread here.:up:
I'm blaming Bush for this one also. :stare:
Sailor Steve
06-18-10, 02:04 PM
Not too sure about that. However, what I find alarming is that many zionists think that Jewish people should only live in Israel. That Jewish people shouldn't go back to live in Europe etc. Isn't that kind of what the nazis had in mind?
I'm not a zionist. I think people should live wherever they want to. Also I think what the nazis had in mind was that the jews shouldn't live anywhere. At all. Ever.
Weiss Pinguin
06-18-10, 02:07 PM
I'm not a zionist. I think people should live wherever they want to. Also I think what the nazis had in mind was that the jews shouldn't live anywhere. At all. Ever.
Indeed, I was under the impression that the Nazis operated along the lines of 'kill as many Jews as efficiently as possible wherever they are' :hmmm:
But who knows, I could be wrong.
OneToughHerring
06-18-10, 02:08 PM
I'm not a zionist. I think people should live wherever they want to. Also I think what the nazis had in mind was that the jews shouldn't live anywhere. At all. Ever.
Well at one point the nazis did make plans for deporting Jews to Madagasgar I think. Or just to get them out of Europe. Unfortunately even US said no to some Jews who wanted to go there. I think it's sad that the nazis should have succeeded in their goal of getting Jews out of Europe. Plenty of property that was owned by Jews in Poland that has never been returned to it's righful owners.
But I'm not saying the nazis were kind to Jews or that the Jewish genocide a.k.a. Holocaust didn't happen or that it was less then 6 mil Jewish victims etc. People who say that stuff are nazis, I wish there was more Jews in Europe but at the same time I dislike Israel's ways.
AVGWarhawk
06-18-10, 02:28 PM
Plenty of property that was owned by Jews in Poland that has never been returned to it's righful owners.
Damn fine point OTH. :yep:
But I'm not saying the nazis were kind to Jews or that the Jewish genocide a.k.a. Holocaust didn't happen or that it was less then 6 mil Jewish victims etc. People who say that stuff are nazis,
Your mind is trying very hard to find connection between Zionism and Nazism.
I wish there was more Jews in Europe but at the same time I dislike Israel's ways.
Thank you very much but sorry we don't wish to live there because you might get to dislike of our Jewish ways anyway.
Imagine just bunch of Hasidim living next door-all the sudden you might want them to live in Madagascar and then who knows.
Here at list we know who our real enemy is.
http://polandian.home.pl/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/shalom-300x200.jpg
Weiss Pinguin
06-18-10, 02:33 PM
http://polandian.home.pl/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/shalom-300x200.jpg
:rotfl2:
OneToughHerring
06-18-10, 03:06 PM
Your mind is trying very hard to find connection between Zionism and Nazism.
Thank you very much but sorry we don't wish to live there because you might get to dislike of our Jewish ways anyway.
Imagine just bunch of Hasidim living next door-all the sudden you might want them to live in Madagascar and then who knows.
Here at list we know who our real enemy is.
http://polandian.home.pl/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/shalom-300x200.jpg
That guy in the picture is the Jews against zionism - guy, isn't it? I recently watched Religulous, that's where I remember him from.
That guy in the picture is the Jews against zionism - guy, isn't it? I recently watched Religulous, that's where I remember him from.
Yes he is...kind of.
See this OTH-some "propaganda" from someone from within:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2wvqDfitLY&feature=player_embedded
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGFjkfKoECc&feature=related
Still maybe will make you rethink just a little bit.
Dimitrius07
06-18-10, 03:26 PM
This idiot in MH picture is a pure self hater (if i`am not mistaken). He is the one who will shake hands with Iranian Hitler. So my bet goes to animals, they IQ is higher :up:.
Edit: Someone all ready mention what i sad, need to pay more attention.
OneToughHerring
06-18-10, 03:36 PM
Yes he is...kind of.
See this OTH-some "propaganda" from someone from within:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2wvqDfitLY&feature=player_embedded
Stupid muslim who should be watertortured etc.?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGFjkfKoECc&feature=relatd (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gGFjkfKoECc&feature=related)
Still maybe will make you rethink just a little bit.
So you're afraid of a little girl, eh? :)
This idiot in MH picture is a pure self hater (if i`am not mistaken). He is the one who will shake hands with Iranian Hitler. So my bet goes to animals, they IQ is higher :up:.
You dont like דוסים do you :haha:
Just imagine others....
Take it easy you sound really pissed off.
stupid muslim who should be watertortured etc.?
no we made him smoke too much pot.
Jimbuna
06-18-10, 03:53 PM
http://img396.imageshack.us/img396/6942/popcorncowtx0.gif
Dimitrius07
06-18-10, 03:56 PM
You dont like דוסים do you :haha:
Just imagine others....
Take it easy you sound really pissed off.
I never sad a dislike them as a group. Action of a individual doesn`t make it as a whole.
AVGWarhawk
06-18-10, 03:58 PM
What happened to the Helen thread? :06:
Dimitrius07
06-18-10, 04:43 PM
What happened to the Helen thread? :06:
All went down hill long time ago. teh Nazis can`t handle it you know :D
Bilge_Rat
06-18-10, 04:48 PM
I'm not a zionist. I think people should live wherever they want to. Also I think what the nazis had in mind was that the jews shouldn't live anywhere. At all. Ever.
My my, already 7 pages....I nominate Sailor Steve to be my proxy in this thread. I am bored after the last one...:cool:
DarkFish
06-18-10, 06:23 PM
DarkFish is antisemitic?Oh yes sure, didn't you know it yet? I've got 10 portraits of our great Führer in my room, not even to mention all the Nazi flags, I go harass all Jews here every day, burn their synagogues, you name it:yeah:
So says Dimitrius - so it must be true:yep:
DarkFish
06-18-10, 06:33 PM
And that's the thing. People were there before, but according to God the Israelites were supposed to move in, clean house, and settle down. But if you don't believe in God/believe in another god then that's bunk and the Israeli's have no right to that area and so it belongs to the Palestinians.This sums it all up pretty well IMO.
It's all great that your god has told you to do this or that, but there are people who don't believe in your god too. And you have to take those into account too.
If Odin speaks to me and all my fellow Pagans to take over Israel, so we do that and make Israel a Pagan state, destroy your homes and let you all rot in refugee camps, how would you feel about that?
Would you say "Oh but it's Odin himself who told them to, so it's fine. I'll rot here in the desert because that's what Odin wants."?
Dimitrius07
06-18-10, 06:59 PM
Oh yes sure, didn't you know it yet? I've got 10 portraits of our great Führer in my room, not even to mention all the Nazi flags, I go harass all Jews here every day, burn their synagogues, you name it:yeah:
So says Dimitrius - so it must be true:yep:
I don`t know what you doing outside the internet and i don`t care, so the real reason why you think like that lies with in you own posts probably:hmmm:. I personally never sad that to you directly, but if you say so that means a lot:yep:. Thank you for the "explanation" :yeah:
Dimitrius07
06-18-10, 07:05 PM
This sums it all up pretty well IMO.
It's all great that your god has told you to do this or that, but there are people who don't believe in your god too. And you have to take those into account too.
If Odin speaks to me and all my fellow Pagans to take over Israel, so we do that and make Israel a Pagan state, destroy your homes and let you all rot in refugee camps, how would you feel about that?
Would you say "Oh but it's Odin himself who told them to, so it's fine. I'll rot here in the desert because that's what Odin wants."?
BINGO!!! Same old attacks, without any knowledge what so ever :rock:. I guess if you repeat stupidity 100 times someone will swallow it in the end.
edit: amateur... i can smell it)))
Angus,
HT always does this when asked to give some proof for his racist and other ramblings.
Thank you OTH for the laugh of the day. :har:
Punikki nulkki!
LMAO! :rotfl2: :salute:
OneToughHerring
06-19-10, 11:37 AM
Thank you OTH for the laugh of the day. :har:
Yea I don't know what's the matter with him, he never proves his points and then fails to back them up IRL. Go figure.
Yea I don't know what's the matter with him, he never proves his points and then fails to back them up IRL. Go figure.
No no no, I wasn't laughing with you, but more like laughing at you. :haha:
As for the whole IRL thing, I bet you in so much steroids that HT would only need to give you a ball and tell you to find an sharp edge from it, we'd never hear off you again. :rotfl2:
OneToughHerring
06-19-10, 11:43 AM
No no no, I wasn't laughing with you, but more like laughing at you. :haha:
As for the whole IRL thing, I bet you in so much steroids that HT would only need to give you a ball and tell you to find an sharp edge from it, we'd never hear off you again. :rotfl2:
Sure Internet boy, sure. :)
Sure Internet boy, sure. :)
Heh, OTH made a funny. :88)
EDIT: Ow and here be an lesson how to use the internet tough guy argument.
WRONG:
No no no, I wasn't laughing with you, but more like laughing at you. :haha:
As for the whole IRL thing, I bet you in so much steroids that HT would only need to give you a ball and tell you to find an sharp edge from it, we'd never hear off you again. :rotfl2:
Sure Internet boy, sure. :)
CORRECT:
Tuu sanomaan naamaa vasten jos uskallat vitun pelekuri!
http://static.railbirds.com/gallery/2009/08/69063internet_tough_guys.jpg
OneToughHerring
06-19-10, 12:43 PM
Yea...? I fail to follow your logic, if there even is one.
thorn69
06-19-10, 12:46 PM
All went down hill long time ago. teh Nazis can`t handle it you know :D
What Nazis? Again, you insult everyone that has a differing opinion than your own. Don't forget that many of us had grandfathers and fathers that saved your grandfathers and fathers from the ovens and fought against the Nazis! But instead of giving thanks for that you only accuse them of not getting there earlier. Calling people Nazi is about as below the belt as you can get.
Yea...? I fail to follow your logic, if there even is one.
There usually has to be a claim or a threat in ones post for the ITG argument to work. My post didn't have one. :03:
OneToughHerring
06-19-10, 01:04 PM
There usually has to be a claim or a threat in ones post for the ITG argument to work. My post didn't have one. :03:
Well I didn't call you an Internet Tough Guy, I called you an Internet Boy. There's a difference.
Well I didn't call you an Internet Tough Guy, I called you an Internet Boy. There's a difference.
Nitpicking.
Dimitrius07
06-19-10, 01:11 PM
What Nazis? Again, you insult everyone that has a differing opinion than your own. Don't forget that many of us had grandfathers and fathers that saved your grandfathers and fathers from the ovens
Both grandfathers in my family fought Germans, one lost his leg. So what? I can use the same arguments over your comments. I doubt that you will learn anything from that.
Edit: "Ovens")). Jihad fanboys learn things fast this days, shame i can`t tell the same about anything else (.
thorn69
06-19-10, 01:37 PM
Edit: "Ovens")). Jihad fanboys learn things fast this days, shame i can`t tell the same about anything else (.
So now we're all Jihadist fanboys because our opinions differ from your own? Your own absolutism makes you the biggest bigot in the room - especially when you're wrong!
Both grandfathers in my family fought Germans, one lost his leg. So what? I can use the same arguments over your comments. I doubt that you will learn anything from that.
Edit: "Ovens")). Jihad fanboys learn things fast this days, shame i can`t tell the same about anything else (.
Stop this natzi **** already.
Do you try to piss of people here on purpose ?
So now we're all Jihadist fanboys because our opinions differ from your own? Your own absolutism makes you the biggest bigot in the room - especially when you're wrong!
Stop this natzi **** already.
Do you try to piss of people here on purpose ?
It's useless to discuss about it. It always turn like that.
If you dare raising any doubts about Israël, you're necessarily a naz... :nope:
Tchocky
06-19-10, 03:19 PM
It's useless to discuss about it. It always turn like that.
If you dare raising any doubts about Israël, you're necessarily a naz... :nope:Problem is....there are quite a lot of Anti-Semites out there who criticise Israel loudly and vociferously, so Israel isn't wrong when it mentions anti-semitic forces. It's just wrong when it applies that label as a defence mechanism on those who don't deserve it.
Dimitrius07
06-19-10, 03:30 PM
If you dare raising any doubts about Israël, you're necessarily a naz..
Well many use "zionist" word when they have nothing to defend they pathetic lies, so what. I call people naTzis because they act like one :D. It`s fun to see how your attempts to piss me of failed badly :yeah:. Try again with more accounts :yep::rock:. "naTzi" gooooooooooooooootttttttttttt :yeah:
thorn69
06-19-10, 03:30 PM
Perhaps this thread should be locked... It's turned into a tar baby. It's started to get off topic and has just turned into offensive name calling and insults. I just think everybody is frustrated over the whole Israeli/Palestinian issues and nothing can be solved in a forum like this. At least we've learned that Dimitrius07 carries a chip on his shoulder towards anybody that's a non-Jew and doesn't wholeheartedly share his opinions. If most Israelis share his same sentiments then it saddens me that Jews have allowed themselves to become so consumed by the same hatred that damn neared erased their existence off the face of the planet. They will need to learn that not everybody in this world is going to like them for who they are or what they believe in. Regardless, that doesn't give them the right to hate those people right back. This is not math, nor is it rocket science, two negatives do not make a positive in this case. Hatred just breeds more hatred.
. "naTzi" gooooooooooooooootttttttttttt :yeah:
You seen too much Russian ww2 movies me think
......... or german porn:D.
Jimbuna
06-19-10, 03:45 PM
Nitpicking.
Careful!...I've heard he has a knife :o
http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/9652/wizardbehindcurtain.jpg
DarkFish
06-19-10, 03:46 PM
Perhaps this thread should be locked... It's turned into a tar baby. It's started to get off topic and has just turned into offensive name calling and insults. I just think everybody is frustrated over the whole Israeli/Palestinian issues and nothing can be solved in a forum like this. At least we've learned that Dimitrius07 carries a chip on his shoulder towards anybody that's a non-Jew and doesn't wholeheartedly share his opinions. If most Israelis share his same sentiments then it saddens me that Jews have allowed themselves to become so consumed by the same hatred that damn neared erased their existence off the face of the planet. They will need to learn that not everybody in this world is going to like them for who they are or what they believe in. Regardless, that doesn't give them the right to hate those people right back. This is not math, nor is it rocket science, two negatives do not make a positive in this case. Hatred just breeds more hatred.+1:yep:
Lock this thread. For the past few pages it's been almost nothing but insults:nope:
It surprises me that it's impossible to normally discuss some topics here, here at subsim for the devil's sake!
Those people who aren't able to have a good discussion and instead just throw insults all over the place should be very ashamed of themselves:nope:
Dimitrius07
06-19-10, 03:48 PM
You seen too much Russian ww2 movies me think
......... or german porn:D.
Or i saw too much modern nationalists "games" in action. Too bad that here i always have to deal with beginners :down:. Sad that this is all what haters have to offer:cry:, next question.:yeah:
Tribesman
06-19-10, 03:50 PM
MH , you are a star, and I salute you(not as in son of a star stuff) for reasonableness even though we differ on some fundamental basics.
Dimitri on the other hand is typical of the worst enemy the state of Israel can ever have.
Dimitrius07
06-19-10, 03:50 PM
+1:yep:
Lock this thread. For the past few pages it's been almost nothing but insults:nope:
Or you left without arguments and you failed to put my nationality down. What else is new??
Dimitrius07
06-19-10, 03:53 PM
we've learned that Dimitrius07 carries a chip on his shoulder towards anybody that's a non-Jew and doesn't wholeheartedly share his opinions.
See this is a typical twisted lies from a hater who have nothing to say. :yeah: What can you expect from "Oven expert".
Tribesman
06-19-10, 04:11 PM
See this is a typical twisted lies from a hater who have nothing to say, or back it up.
Well you ha\ve bandied around some rather ludicrous accusations of anti- semitism, you have also accused jews who don't share your view as being somehow antisemites.
It does rather suggest that your rants don't make much sense.
Though to take it further since you appear to support extremism that is damaging to the State and that State you say is a Jewish state it does strongly suggest that you are indeed a rather rabid anti-semite.
So Demitri, can you explain to us usual folk exactly how it feels to be a hate filled anti-semite?
So Demitri, can you explain to us usual folk exactly how it feels to be a hate filled anti-semite?
Nah.. he can't.. he got thrown into the brig.. :up:
XabbaRus
06-19-10, 04:16 PM
Thread closed due to going off topic, being pointless and relentless mud slinging.
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