Ducimus -- Again!!!

[I'm goin' down]

Up in Alaska in '42 playing TMO 2.0. Easy prey! A lone freighter doing 4 kts. Using Easy AoB I unleash two torpedoes at 3,600 yds. Both miss the nose of the target. No problem!! I am patient. At 1,500 yds., a second salvo of four torpedoes is unleashed. 4 Direct Hits. All DUDS!!! I turn off silent running so my forward torpedoes, which are now empty, will be loaded by a pissed off crew. Meanwhile, I swing the Barbarinna around for aft shots. Fire all four. Four hits! ALL DUDS!! Jesus (pardon my French)!! My second in command interrupts my screaming epithets to advise that the crew has reloaded one forward torpedo. At 800 yds., I fire it. CONTACT Amidships, immediately followed by a big explosion! Whoppee; Hee Haw!... braying like a jackass. (11 shots, 2 misses, 8 dud torpedoes, and one hit/explosion! That is a percentage so low I don't want to calculate it.)

With the target vulnerable and listing to starboard, the Barbarinna surfaces and attacks with her deck gun. Several hits, but what's this? The Nagara Maru is returning fire, and with extreme accuracy. Almost all crew are down on the deck and inside the boat, and the entire gun crew is dead at their battle stations. Replacements, all injured, scramble topside and man the deck gun. The bulkhead has been breached and we are taking on water in four compartments. The repair crew are all injured. Finally, I pull out of the fight, hoping the Nagara Maru, listing heavily and low in the water, will go down. But it is too late for me...my remaining crew who are all injured... and our boat. We go under before our target does. Game Over!

Ducimus cautioned that his freighters in 2.0 won't roll over without a fight. He wasn't kidding. (And this was my first mission since being released from my cell which I shared with Rockin Robbins, after I had accidentally sunk a US carrier at Midway!) Nice, huh?

2.0 will kick your ass one way or the other.

[Bubblehead1980]

ahh that hasnt happened to me, came close though.Was stalking a lone freighter off philippines at night for night surface attack in 1944 in a Gato.Had 4 mark `18's ready in stern tubes(last fish so could go home after 46 days on patrol) Was just ready to fire at 2100 yards when target unalerted to my presence, made a routine course change.Now I couldnt move fast but managed to get 1200 yards off his track and when ready to fire...BOOOM deck gun from enemy ship opens up, I flank all flank and open fire on them with the aft mounted 40 MM bofors HE shells(did some damage, started small fire near their deck gun and it stopped firing, killed the gun crew I suppose) so then I dove, and used the one remaining Mark 14 to blow a hole in her side, then one she was dead in water, fired two Mark 18's, lit her up but no sinking, i was low on fuel so didnt have time to hunt for other targets, expended last two into her and she went down, had a Ryunn Maru I believe it was.So yea I came close to falling prey to supposed easy lone merchant.Would be great if could give merchants "defensive" depth charges like some Japanese merchants carried.

[rein1705]

:rotfl2:

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[Admiral8Q]

2.0 is released! :o Nice, I'll d/l it and give it a try! :cool:

[McHibbins]

......Would be great if could give merchants "defensive" depth charges like some Japanese merchants carried.

That was tried by the US-Navy I think. Problem was : These vessels weren´t fast enough to get away from the explosion radius. So they were always in danger to damage themselves if using DCs.

[Bubblehead1980]

The Japanese used defensive depth charges, read about it in several books, including Clear the Bridge by Admiral O Kane.They were meant more or less to scare the subs, give them a way to fight back and maybe get lucky, it helped one ship get away from the Tang.

[BillBam]

I turn off silent running so my forward torpedoes, which are now empty, will be loaded by a pissed off crew.

Why are you silent running for a lone merchant?

[Keelbuster]

Why are you silent running for a lone merchant?

In TMO some merchants have hydrophones.

[Dimitrius07]

Up in Alaska in '42 playing TMO 2.0.....bla bla bla


What is your main point, and what is the goal of this thread? Can you explain? :hmmm:. I guess its easy to point our fingers at others and do spell checking when your "sorry" :D self can`t even make a simple point, that is probably something you don`t learn in grammar school. :nope:
Maybe its a public pm with hidden message :shifty:. Talking and admire yourself is a popular thing on the web :yeah:, even when the material don`t belong to you directly :yep:

[rein1705]

He didn't write anything offensive, why the cow?

[Rockin Robbins]

I thought what he wrote was pure good fun!:yeah:

[rein1705]

In fact i do quite enjoy reading stories such as this and posting my own so people can laugh and relate to the encounters. That's one of the reasons i love this forum. :smug:

[JoeCorrado]

I don't mind the concept of freighters being armed, but seriously- the effective range of a deck mounted machine gun was 850 yards... if you surface to engage, and remain beyond that range- you should have nothing to fear unless Duci has done something odd.

Maybe he will comment?


At first, the only machine-gun available was the Lewis gun, and in order to improve the defensive protection of merchant ships it was arranged that those Army Bren gun teams who were acquainted with the Lewis gun should give the necessary instructions to the crews...

As from 9th March, 1940, merchant ships and fishing vessels at sea between the East Coast and the mine barrage were authorized to engage by day and night any aircraft not recognized as friendly approaching them within gun range (850 yards), and aircraft were warned not to approach within 1,500 yards of ships
The Germans used captured British Lewis Guns during World War II under the designation MG 137(e)[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Gun#cite_note-34), whilst the Japanese copied the Lewis design and employed it extensively during World War II;[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Gun#cite_note-Smith43-33) it was designated the Type 92 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_92_machine_gun) and chambered for a 7.7mm rimmed cartridge that was interchangeable with the .303 British round.[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Gun#cite_note-35)[37] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Gun#cite_note-36)

[raymond6751]

What is your main point, and what is the goal of this thread? Can you explain? :hmmm:. I guess its easy to point our fingers at others and do spell checking when your "sorry" :D self can`t even make a simple point, that is probably something you don`t learn in grammar school. :nope:
Maybe its a public pm with hidden message :shifty:. Talking and admire yourself is a popular thing on the web :yeah:, even when the material don`t belong to you directly :yep:

This forum is a place to comment, yes, and to share experiences. This is especially true of mission events like this. I think you owe an apology. It is your post that is out of line. You apparently point your finger a lot. :down:

[flatsixes]

Ha! I know that feeling Goin' Down! It's like Satan's Maru's weps crew is the all-Navy Seal Team and all I've got is a sack of potatoes to throw back at them!

I swear, somewhere Ducimus must be laughing his fanny off.

[I'm goin' down]

What is your main point, and what is the goal of this thread? Can you explain? :hmmm:. I guess its easy to point our fingers at others and do spell checking when your "sorry" :D self can`t even make a simple point, that is probably something you don`t learn in grammar school. :nope:n Maybe its a public pm with hidden message :shifty:. Talking and admire yourself is a popular thing on the web :yeah:, even when the material don`t belong to you directly :yep:

I will gladly explain. The answer ("main point") was set forth in the post by I'm goin' down. It is quoted hereafter for your benefit.

"Ducimus cautioned that his freighters in 2.0 won't roll over without a fight. He wasn't kidding. ....
2.0 will kick your ass one way or the other."As for grammar, may I retort? (I will anyway.) First sentence of your post: the pronoun "that" is incorrect and should be "which," and the verb "Don't" is incorrectly used and should be replaced by "did not" or "didn't." Second sentence: "Maybe its a public pm with hidden message." poses a question but lacks a question mark at the end of the sentence. The word "its" is possessive and should contain an apostrophe (ie., "it's".)

There is a line from the movie "Treasure of Sierra Madre" that is appropriate for this situation. I recount if for your benefit. Tim Holt and Humphrey Bogart, exhausted from hiking in the jungles and mountains of Mexico's Sierra Madre mountains in the search for gold, fall to their knees and grovel in the dirt, thinking that they have found the mother load. (They have stumbled upon "fools gold.") Walter Houston, the "old timer", finds this mistake to be hilarious. He dances an Irish jig in front of them, exclaiming something like this, "Ha. Ha. Ha. If you want to look at a couple of jack asses, look in a mirror. Two finer specimens you will never see! Ha. Ha. Ha."

[Dimitrius07]

This forum is a place to comment, yes, and to share experiences. This is especially true of mission events like this. I think you owe an apology. It is your post that is out of line. You apparently point your finger a lot. :down:

This forum is a place where thread name match with its content, apparently its to hard for you to figure out :timeout:. Just move along, ok :salute:.

[Dimitrius07]

I will gladly explain. The answer ("main point") was set forth in the post by I'm goin' down. It is quoted hereafter for your benefit.

What??? :doh:. Why just not call it "My experience with TMO".Are you drunk or something? You damage your brain cells you know.

[SurfnSea]

Thanks for posting the story IGD. I'm using TMO 1.9 seems it's time to upgrade. And once I do upgrade I'll have to beware of those ships; gotta love the challenge.

[G2B]

Thanks for the FANTASTIC report IGD I must say they are always worth reading. Very informative and sometimes good for a laugh, which is something we all could use these days. Even the Ducimus reference in the title, I knew it had to be TMO.

[G2B]

I would not pay attention to that other person, obviously someone needs a NAP.

[razark]

If you don't like what the thread has to say, ignore it and move on to another thread.

@I'm goin' down:
Thanks for the info. I have yet to get involved in a gun battle with a Maru in 2.0, and after reading this, I'll probably not try it any time soon.

[I'm goin' down]

This forum is a place where thread name match with its content, apparently its to hard for you to figure out :timeout:. Just move along, ok :salute:.

Hey, I can take whatever you want to toss my way. But is highly inappropriate to disparage another forum contributor by responding to their post and telling them indirectly to butt out, and that their comments do not warrant a substantive response. Your response is an insult and reflects the height of arrogance.

Incidentally, you may be unaware of the history of posts to Ducimus re TMO. My post did match the content, as many have posted comments that TMO is an ass kicker and the hardest mega mod out there.

[I'm goin' down]

:D:woot:It's a LOVEFEST!:D:woot:

[I'm goin' down]

Why are you silent running for a lone merchant?

Maybe I am mistaken, but I thought merchants had radar. If they do, then it is for one of two purposes.
1. Locate the enemy, so they can avoid contact.
2. Locate the enemy to engage it.

If I am correct, then silent running is a countermeasure. As I recall, Rockin Robbins' training videos for the O'Kane method applied silent running when settting up for an attack. I might be wrong in my assumption, however, re radar on merchants.

[AVGWarhawk]

This forum is a place where thread name match with its content, apparently its to hard for you to figure out :timeout:. Just move along, ok :salute:.


I see nothing wrong with the post or the tread in general. This is the general forums for SH4. Such post are ok here.

[I'm goin' down]

Exerpted from previous post in this thread:

Quote:
At first, the only machine-gun available was the Lewis gun, and in order to improve the defensive protection of merchant ships it was arranged that those Army Bren gun teams who were acquainted with the Lewis gun should give the necessary instructions to the crews...

As from 9th March, 1940, merchant ships and fishing vessels at sea between the East Coast and the mine barrage were authorized to engage by day and night any aircraft not recognized as friendly approaching them within gun range (850 yards), and aircraft were warned not to approach within 1,500 yards of ships
Quote:
The Germans used captured British Lewis Guns during World War II under the designation MG 137(e)[35] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Gun#cite_note-34), whilst the Japanese copied the Lewis design and employed it extensively during World War II;[34] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Gun#cite_note-Smith43-33) it was designated the Type 92 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_92_machine_gun) and chambered for a 7.7mm rimmed cartridge that was interchangeable with the .303 British round.[36] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Gun#cite_note-35)[37] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_Gun#cite_note-36)

Interesting. I was within 1,000 yds. I did not know about the information in your post.

[rein1705]

:D:woot:It's a LOVEFEST!:D:woot:

:har::woot:WOOT WOOT LOVEFEST AT PORT..... Where are deployment orders when you need them?

[rein1705]

The love boat theam just poped into my head and it wont go away:damn:

[Nisgeis]

Maybe I am mistaken, but I thought merchants had radar. If they do, then it is for one of two purposes.
1. Locate the enemy, so they can avoid contact.
2. Locate the enemy to engage it.

If I am correct, then silent running is a countermeasure. As I recall, Rockin Robbins' training videos for the O'Kane method applied silent running when settting up for an attack. I might be wrong in my assumption, however, re radar on merchants.

Silent running won't do anything to counter radar. It will counter sonar, which some of the merchants (or all?) have.

[Captain Dave]

Ha Ha, fire up the B-52s "Love Shack". Love shack,baybeee.

[flatsixes]

Merchants have SONAR???? Which ones? I'll sink them first, ba$tards.

[G2B]

Actually don't they just have Hydrophones, basically just listening for you instead of using sonar to actively ping you.

[I'm goin' down]

Silent running won't do anything to counter radar. It will counter sonar, which some of the merchants (or all?) have.

Thanks. I stand corrected. I never considered the difference between the two, although it is obvious.

[Nisgeis]

Actually don't they just have Hydrophones, basically just listening for you instead of using sonar to actively ping you.

They have passive sonar, yes. I' m not sure which ones have it - I think it's later merchants that have it.

[G2B]

They have passive sonar, yes. I' m not sure which ones have it - I think it's later merchants that have it.


Got it, Thanks :D

[Ducimus]

Glad to see your having fun I'm goin' down.

I thought it was well known that merchants in TMO went to the chuck norris school of gunnery.

http://www.thegreyeagle.com/calendar/Chuck%20Norris.jpg
They call him, sensei.

I don't mind the concept of freighters being armed, but seriously- the effective range of a deck mounted machine gun was 850 yards... if you surface to engage, and remain beyond that range- you should have nothing to fear unless Duci has done something odd.

Maybe he will comment?

Sure. I wanted them dangerous, starting at around 2000 meters. Ranges don't scale very well to reality in game because you can pretty much decimate a ship at 4,000 meters with little effort. Hell, I've sunken ships at 6,000 meters or greater with a deck gun. (i can be persistant bastard)

Another issue is AA gunnery range as defined in the sim.cfg file. It is a universal figure that effects all guns in the game. To include your AA guns, and the AI's, It's the max range that they will open fire at (or try to) . Limit that and you limit alot for both you, and the AI.

[Dimitrius07]

I see nothing wrong with the post or the tread in general. This is the general forums for SH4. Such post are ok here.

You also see nothing wrong with post where a person attack ww2 heroes, i understand it, also the report function works random. Wonder why :D:woot:. This is why i like forums, you find something new everyday. Just wonder how low can people go :up:

[Ducimus]

This isn't the general topics forum. Just sayin' .....

[Dimitrius07]

So it have no place for a PM threads :yeah:

[Factor]

What is your main point, and what is the goal of this thread? Can you explain? :hmmm:. I guess its easy to point our fingers at others and do spell checking when your "sorry" :D self can`t even make a simple point, that is probably something you don`t learn in grammar school. :nope:
Maybe its a public pm with hidden message :shifty:. Talking and admire yourself is a popular thing on the web :yeah:, even when the material don`t belong to you directly :yep:


Are you always a douche bag? Did your dog get run over this morning? Jeeze dude, Relax a bit, and try, please try, to quit :wah:

[AVGWarhawk]

So it have no place for a PM threads :yeah:


You have a PM.

[McHibbins]

You have a PM.

Which is necessary, I think

[tomoose]

One of the perils of the internet........context.

@ I'mgoingdown: thanks for the OP. I just started using TMO 2.0 and this is good info to know.

As to that other poster........erm.............riiiiight.:yawn:

[Armistead]

So it have no place for a PM threads :yeah:

Has, not have no place....geesh.

[Bubblehead1980]

calm down ladies:har:

[I'm goin' down]

You also see nothing wrong with post where a person attack ww2 heroes, i understand it, also the report function works random. Wonder why :D:woot:. This is why i like forums, you find something new everyday. Just wonder how low can people go :up:

Take two zanex, do not pass go, go directly to the psychiatric ward. The first sentence is a non sequiter in the context of this thread. The second is unrlated to the thread. Third sentence is okay. Fourth sentence, what in the hell are you talking about?

[The inmates are loose and running the asylum.]

[McHibbins]

Take two zanex, do not pass go, go directly to the psychiatric ward. The first sentence is a non sequiter in the context of this thread. The second is unrlated to the thread. Third sentence is okay. Fourth sentence, what in the hell are you talking about?

[The inmates are loose and running the asylum.]


+1 :up:

[rein1705]

what the heck are we talking about anyway?!

[Sailor Steve]

what the heck are we talking about anyway?!
Well, y'see, this one guy made a joking mock attack on this other guy, because guy #1 loves the fact that when he attacked a merchant, said merchant attacked right back, and guy #1 loved that it did that but hated that he got hurt, so he pretended to be angry while actually praising the mod.

Then guy #3 thought that guy #1 really was attacking guy #2, for what guy #3 thought was no good reason, so guy #3 replied with a total tirade rant, basically calling guy #1 out and accusing him of hating the men who actually fought the war.

Even guy #2 saying he wasn't bothered didn't turn down the heat.

But I'm sure you knew that and you were just being sarcastic, so now you can tell me you knew that and were just being sarcastic and I can say "Why didn't you say so in the first place", and we can have a public fight of our own.

Film at eleven.

[Jan Kyster]

Film at eleven.Looking forward to it! Must be a hit! http://i189.photobucket.com/albums/z15/subject_rod/smilies/munching_out.gif

And Thank You for the very nice educational step-by-step guide to this thread! :up:


:har:

[I'm goin' down]

....
Film at eleven.

:har:

I think I will skip it....if you don't mind!

(Somebody actually reads these!)

[I'm goin' down]

Once we are all banned (or most of us, anyway), we are going to be nominated for thread of the year.:D

[rein1705]

Nah i'll pass... :D