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Follow the link and learn http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/55291/The-Witcher-2-Assassins-Of-Kings-DRM-Policy-Explained :salute:
aergistal
06-11-10, 12:07 PM
Amen!
It is good to see sanity for a change instead of trying to sell a bunch of DRM BS. :salute:
Thats a fantastic read!
Attract customers and care for them should be #1 Priority!
Now all we need to do is to translate it to french and send it to Ubisoft Montreal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubisoft_Montreal), if everyone does this they have to read it. Or we can do it the western europe kind of way: civil action! We could glue it in the thousands at Ubisoft HQ.
Madox58
06-11-10, 02:39 PM
You should have the thread renamed.
There is no Dev Team left from what I gather.
It is good to see sanity for a change instead of trying to sell a bunch of DRM BS. :salute:
lol
he talks about sanity...
Officially there are about 400 employees at Ubisoft Romania. Guess they have other things on their minds than SH5.
Im actually into research right now, it would be nice to get a grip on how many real sub-fans there are out there. Who wants our money?
Perhaps it could be possible to calculate just how many individual active subsimers we have, on a monthly basis etc...
kylania
06-11-10, 05:32 PM
Officially there are about 400 employees at Ubisoft Romania. Guess they have other things on their minds than SH5.
At least some of those are busy designing HAWX2. Supposedly not the same ones that were working on SH5 though.
It's clear that the lead producer for Silent Hunter 5 has moved on from the game completely (http://alexandrugris.blogspot.com/2010/04/insight.html) and Ubisoft's Community Developer has been essentially MIA since the game shipped so there's probably not many left, if any at all, officially working on the product.
krashkart
06-11-10, 05:41 PM
I just read that blog post kylania and I'm re-posting it in this reply. I think it's important for people to know how much it takes from a person to be even a small part of the team. Sure woke me up, that's for sure.
http://alexandrugris.blogspot.com/2010/04/insight.html
Sonarman
06-11-10, 05:52 PM
"Originally Posted by Noren http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1416998#post1416998)
Officially there are about 400 employees at Ubisoft Romania. Guess they have other things on their minds than SH5."
According to Wikipedia Ubi Romania was downsized sometime ago from 400 employees to 50 key specialists. I suspect that this happened shortly after Romania joined the EU and wages were brought more in line with the rest of Europe.
Let's hope Alexandru returns to the world of subsim development at some point, he seems to have the kind of integrity and passion for the genre so lacking in his employer.
I bet that guy could answer some of our questions.
Nice shirt!
Follow the link and learn http://ve3d.ign.com/articles/news/55291/The-Witcher-2-Assassins-Of-Kings-DRM-Policy-Explained :salute:
Very interesting :hmmm: :yep:
lol
he talks about sanity...
Please refrain from personal insults, and stop trolling.
Please refrain from personal insults, and stop trolling.
*sigh
:nope:
Please refrain from personal insults
Btw, where you see that insult, I see irony.
and stop trolling.
I mean WTF !? :06::doh:
I've been disappointed the first day I tried SH5, the next day I got over it (this is only a game after all).
I think this game can become really great if given enough time and support (of course by a lot of modding).
I've made several donations to subsim, and I would even make donations to some modders team if that would be possible (some guys here know I would).
Summer has come and I don't plan to upgrade my computer now, but once I'll make a complete upgrade, I'm gonna give my humble contribution to the modding community.
And you accuse me of trolling??
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...and about you?
This is not an insult, I'm serious, after more than 3 months do you have anything else to say than:
- You don't want to buy SH5. (DRM and all that)
- It's unfinished (and it won't be finished tomorrow, so I don't see the point of keeping repeating it over and over).
- You hate it (and you already said that danger from the deep will be the best subsim, so it's pretty obvious you don't think SH5 has any future).
I repeat, this is not an insult, I'm serious, do you (and some other posters) have anything else to say than that in this forum???
Madox58
06-12-10, 12:32 AM
This constant battle and finger pointing does more harm then good.
:nope:
I'd love to see all those involved in a Bar some nite.
Any bets on how many would walk out?
And how many would be carried out?
:haha:
It's a freaking Game for Gosh sakes!
:o
Don't make me give you all a time out!
:stare:
:har:
This constant battle and finger pointing does more harm then good.
:nope:
I'd love to see all those involved in a Bar some nite.
Any bets on how many would walk out?
And how many would be carried out?
:haha:
It's a freaking Game for Gosh sakes!
:o
Don't make me give you all a time out!
:stare:
:har:
I know it's just a game, and that's the reason why I got over it and I'm now looking forward.
I'm saying it without any animosity, let's be serious for a moment, what's their point ???
He accused me of trolling, but why does he (or they) STILL come to this forum ???
robbo180265
06-12-10, 02:42 AM
I know it's just a game, and that's the reason why I got over it and I'm now looking forward.
I'm saying it without any animosity, let's be serious for a moment, what's their point ???
He accused me of trolling, but why does he (or they) STILL come to this forum ???
I hate to say it matey - but you are alowing yourself to be baited and thus fanning their flames.
Do like I do - add to the ignore list, never be bothered by them again:03:
Reading that blog I'm pretty convinced that the dev team is also sad about SH5 and the fail is because the low budget and interest of the f'ing publisher. That stupid AC was the star all the time and they pumped all their money and effort in that sh1t, leaving all other projects floating.
Wish I could smash their faces because what they did with SH5. If the budget got low, they could simply just delay the project instead of throwing it on the market only with the graphic part finished and asking a full price for it. As a quick example, Bioware delayed with at least 1 year they SWTOR project just to be sure that the final result will be a high quality one, instead of throwing on a market a product that will not completely fulfill the community demands. Not to mention that before the release, there will be serious beta testing and the community feedback will be taken seriously.
We got such a bad luck that SH series is published by such a fail company as Ubi :(
mikeydredd
06-12-10, 05:29 AM
What a shame UbiSoft were not as enlightened as these guys. If they had taken this thinking on board I think we ALL would have been a lot happier.
Let's hope the developers of the next sub sim, if there ever is one, think along these lines.
Dredd:arrgh!:
ahh, how much money are we talking about - if we (the gamers and fans) could fund the development of a game? 100-150k dollars per programmer/designer*10-20*2 years? Plus extras: about 5 millions. Lets say 7,5 to be on the safe side :D
Thats a meager 250 dollars per head, if we can gather 30000 fans.
(enough dreaming now, lets eat and do research...)
Bruce at www.bruceongames.com (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/www.bruceongames.com) (almost inactive now) predicted that, in the future, most developers will be part of big organizations. The pioneering era of small firm developers are over???????????
Do like I do - add to the ignore list, never be bothered by them again:03:
...I almost forgot about it, thanks.
I'm gonna settle this once for all if he ever reply, then I'll probably follow your suggestion.
Don't pop into a thread just to call somebody crazy Meo, that's exactly what you did and it's called trolling.
Reading that blog I'm pretty convinced that the dev team is also sad about SH5 and the fail is because the low budget and interest of the f'ing publisher. That stupid AC was the star all the time and they pumped all their money and effort in that sh1t, leaving all other projects floating.
Wish I could smash their faces because what they did with SH5. If the budget got low, they could simply just delay the project instead of throwing it on the market only with the graphic part finished and asking a full price for it. As a quick example, Bioware delayed with at least 1 year they SWTOR project just to be sure that the final result will be a high quality one, instead of throwing on a market a product that will not completely fulfill the community demands. Not to mention that before the release, there will be serious beta testing and the community feedback will be taken seriously.
We got such a bad luck that SH series is published by such a fail company as Ubi :(
Really, I can't feel their sadness...rather their cheering and drinking champagne. Letting players all over the world enjoy the game...
Remember that Dan from Ubisoft Romania stated that the latter and Ubisoft are the same, and not separable. Hence, the result of their strategy is their responsibility as a whole. This also implies that the team in Romania took part the Ubisoft development decisions that lead to SHV. And those that determine how it is being supported and finished now. Seems like it didn't matter enough to delay the product in this case, to Ubisoft as a whole. So there probably was no "sad and sorry".
After all, this is a business and no favor for a fan community. Business decisions determined what you got, but not wishful thinking. And many predicted this end well before it came. Unfortunately I have to add that. But after SHIV, and the many failures of Ubisoft such as to distill out from mega-mods of SHIII what players truly desired, or their lack of communication, this end seems not surprising in retrospect, and wasn't unpredictable either.
But any promising new start usually occurs out of the ashes of a previous disaster. I for my part am just curious now who else will pick up this genre, since this is definitely their turn now.
But any promising new start usually occurs out of the ashes of a previous disaster. I for my part am just curious now who else will pick up this genre, since this is definitely their turn now.
Yeah I agree with you 100%. There was an old thread about this before... My personal feeling is that we will see another U-boat sim (don't ask me when though :lol:). There's no way Ubisoft is the end-all be-all of subsims.
robbo180265
06-12-10, 10:23 AM
Don't pop into a thread just to call somebody crazy Meo, that's exactly what you did and it's called trolling.
Actually this is trolling
Right now, Saturday 19:30 GMT peak hours for viwsiting a forum. There are 151 people i9n the freshly released, much balihooed SHV forum.
Meanwhile there are 134 in the combined, obsolete SH3 and SH4 Forums.
This indicates a total sales fiasco for Ubi's always online production.
If SH5 was subject to Nielsen ratings It would already be in the trash can of history. Too bad, as the graphics seem gorgeous.
Or to illustrate some more of Brag's trolling I give you this post by Kylania, just click the links for examples of Brag's vitriol for SH5 owners
You truly have nothing positive to say and nothing more to do than troll the SH5 forums, do you?
We get that you hate this game and hate Ubisoft. You don't have to keep proving it. Go back to your SH3 forums and talk about us (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1377640&postcount=10) there without constantly spamming this forum with your hate (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1396723&postcount=1) please. It's been three months now, stop it.
And it goes on and on....
Yes Meo's post in this thread was wrong - but there's a huge history of Brag's trolling in this forum and I rather think it was because of this that Meo posted the way he did;)
Yes Meo's post in this thread was wrong - but there's a huge history of Brag's trolling in this forum and I rather think it was because of this that Meo posted the way he did;)
Out of respect for the OP, I'm not going to continue this and derail his thread. But I'll quickly add that I don't consider Brag's topic trolling. He was stating that the SH5 forum is inactive, and he's right. This place is dead. Speaking of which I think the most active thread going on is the Zombie one. :lol:
Tbh, I'm so sick with these sh3 fanbois who day by day come over to bash sh5, it makes me to HATE sh3 more than I hate Ubi :mad: It's impossible to talk about SH5 and his future without the topic being hijacked by sh3 lovers.
krashkart
06-12-10, 12:37 PM
Tbh, I'm so sick with these sh3 fanbois who day by day come over to bash sh5, it makes me to HATE sh3 more than I hate Ubi :mad: It's impossible to talk about SH5 and his future without the topic being hijacked by sh3 lovers.
SH3 RULES!!! :rock:
You asked for it. :O::DL
ok, this thread started with a superb topic, a link to some wonderful words of wisdom regarding DRM and the future of games. Now, its all negative and off topic.
Please people, behave!
The leading developer just wrote this on his blog:
"
(Added 12 June 2010)
I can hardly think of another industry that is (at least for me) as agile, as inspiring and as challenging as creating games - especially games like SH. My heart (and I am sure it's the same for most of the guys who were in the team) lies with SH, as we still follow closely how the game is doing and looking forward for new adventures on the sea.
"
I especially like the last sentence...how close is closely and how exactly are they looking forward to new adventures on the sea? a new SH6? I dont know if I want to laugh or cry...
Madox58
06-12-10, 01:30 PM
how close is closely
Close enuff to help in many areas when it does not break any
non-disclosure rules they may be under.
I'd say they have to be careful of what and how they post in Blogs.
I don't go to work and slam the Guy writing my pay checks.
Even if I think he's a Richard at times?
I'm careful who I talk to about it.
I'd bet there's some squirrely little French Guy just waiting to chop heads somewhere.
:haha:
Don't pop into a thread just to call somebody crazy Meo, that's exactly what you did and it's called trolling.
So this is only your interpretation.
Someone recently said he was pathetic, but you didn't say a word.
He spends all this time bashing SH5 and how trash it is, but yet devotes so many posts to it. Pathetic.
In short, p*** off. That was 6 days ago, I didn't show the poster cuz there's no point in picking up a fight.
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It is good to see sanity for a change instead of trying to sell a bunch of DRM BS. :salute:
lol
he talks about sanity...
It simply says: ''Dude, before talking of sanity, perhaps you should look on yourself''
Kind of...
So IF (I don't think it has) that really hurt him, well I'm sorry, but maybe it can be useful, maybe.
but there's a huge history of Brag's trolling in this forum and I rather think it was because of this that Meo posted the way he did;)
Finally, someone who understand, thanks !!!
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Tbh, I'm so sick with these sh3 fanbois who day by day come over to bash sh5, it makes me to HATE sh3 more than I hate Ubi :mad: It's impossible to talk about SH5 and his future without the topic being hijacked by sh3 lovers.
I don't support the word ''fanbois'', but...
I've been asking politely, but they didn't reply yet.
So I wonder the reason why they are STILL frequenting this forum.
mookiemookie
06-12-10, 02:14 PM
Someone recently said he was pathetic, but you didn't say a word.
That was 6 days ago, I didn't show the poster cuz there's no point in picking up a fight.
And I still stand behind those words. I've reported Brag's posts as trolling, but apparently the moderators don't share that opinion. I've pretty much given up on this forum exactly for that reason. If they're going to let his kind of antagonistic and "in your face" crap go unchecked, I choose not to be a part of it.
aergistal
06-12-10, 02:17 PM
According to Wikipedia Ubi Romania was downsized sometime ago from 400 employees to 50 key specialists
The key specialists part stinks like dead fish from an appreciable distance. I don't have information from inside Ubisoft Romania but I do have facts from companies larger than Ubi and with higher stakes. It usually works like this: why hire a competent team with high pay demands when it's easier to overwork one "key specialist". So give him a team of juniors who need help washing their hands after they go to the toilet and overwork the senior to make them crap diamonds. All while the management (local and remote) keeps asking for "status updates" and blaming all failures on the senior.
It works like a kiddygarten.
Sometimes good developers manage to salvage the project, sometimes they don't.
As I said I don't know if this is happenning with Ubisoft Romania. But I'm sure it ain't Nirvana Company either.
Just something to think about.
And I still stand behind those words.
That's fine, I was just not sure it was correct to show your nickname.
I choose not to be a part of it.
Probably the best attitude for the future, but I'm still curious to know the reason why they are still here. That would put an end to all this.
Rockin Robbins
06-12-10, 04:29 PM
In our opinion, it is more important to encourage acquisition of original game copies than to punish those who play pirated copies.Wow! One game company gets it. Service to customers is more important than disservice to non-customers! Why is that so difficult to understand?
Every penny a company makes is because somebody thought the service they provided was worth paying for. Not everyone will need their product. Some people will try to steal their product without paying for it. How does seeking revenge against people of no value to them contribute to game company profits? It doesn't because it punishes their paying customers and leaves the offenders unhindered. I understand their desire for revenge. But they are hurting themselves and us who would willingly pay for a great game.
Great to see one game company who completely understands where profits come from and who is willing to operate in a way that maximizes them. Profits come from service, nowhere else.:up:
Madox58
06-12-10, 05:09 PM
The sad part is the Devs probably did not want DRM.
Look at the releases of SH3 now days.
The files have no traces of StarFarce but date back to the original release!
Yet Ubi Offically sanctioned ReLoaded's crack?
WTF Ubi?
I at times plant my head up my arse also.
But I don't do it is such a public way!
SH5 has become such a joke even SkidRow ignores it now?
When Pirates ignore your stuff?
You've messed up in a BIG way!
So, Ubi execs.
Put the drink down and listen for a moment.
The Devs in Romania had thier arses kicked over this.
They know what needs done and can correct this pile of
mis-intended cat scrappings.
You have a bunch of FREE sources that will work with them!
You only stand to make money! (And we know how much that means to you!)
You can bail on us and loose money as we will no longer buy anything that has Ubi in it's name.
If I see a tire that's tagged Ubitread?
I'll pass by.
Infact?
I'll stop buying anything French!
No more French Bread for me!
No more French Dressing on my salads.
No more French kisses to the wife!
(She hates you now!)
And I'll tell everyone it Ubi's fault!
Hell, I'll start a Blog and a twitter thingy just to expound the fact
that Ubi rates right up there with BP!
You both polluted our shores.
But are more then happy to take our money.
You may resume drinking your drink Ubi exec.
Enjoy it while it lasts!
Please people, behave!Why?:hmmm: I love this trolling, the real characters behind a person comes through nicely!:yep: krashkart knows it!:D
BTW, SH3 RULES!!:yeah:
kylania
06-12-10, 08:31 PM
The leading developer just wrote this on his blog:
Got a link for that?
FIREWALL
06-12-10, 08:42 PM
Am I to understand by the links and posts here that UBI has dropped support and any further patches or anything else ?
Got a link for that?
Click on the blog at the start of this thread, its an update right at the bottom.
@Firewall: there is a question on the official forum about future patch yes / no. Admin said he would look into it. Im not getting my hopes up though.
krashkart
06-12-10, 09:42 PM
Why?:hmmm: I love this trolling, the real characters behind a person comes through nicely!:yep: krashkart knows it!:D
BTW, SH3 RULES!!:yeah:
:yawn: Huh? Brains??? :o BRAAAAINS!!!! :D
Note to all haters of SH3-lovin' SH5 haters:
Ne'er mind me and Reece (SH3 lovers), we're not fanbois as much as funbois! :yeah:
:hmmm:
Now that I think of it, "funbois" may not go over well... :-?
:D
kylania
06-12-10, 09:57 PM
Click on the blog at the start of this thread, its an update right at the bottom.
Ahh, I see. To me, reading that it sounds like the team's been disbanded and no longer working on Silent Hunter, but they still love the genre and hope there will be more games for it. I don't see much indicating that anyone is actively working on the game any longer. :-?
mookiemookie
06-12-10, 10:48 PM
Ahh, I see. To me, reading that it sounds like the team's been disbanded and no longer working on Silent Hunter, but they still love the genre and hope there will be more games for it. I don't see much indicating that anyone is actively working on the game any longer. :-?
Ah ah....anyone from Ubisoft that's working on the game any longer.
Hanomag
06-12-10, 10:50 PM
This constant battle and finger pointing does more harm then good.
:nope:
I'd love to see all those involved in a Bar some nite.
Any bets on how many would walk out?
And how many would be carried out?
:haha:
Depends how many paratroops are there... :arrgh!:
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