Has Ubi abandoned us?

[oscar19681]

Ive seen it happen with the EA,S godfather 2 game (only they didnt even make a single patch but the game was a little better then sh5 out of the box) they cashed in and they never gave any more feedback on the forums ever again. Seems like the same policy Ubi has now. offcourse its a big mistake to buy something arcady like TGF2! But hey i loved the movies! Sad thing is that they still keep the forums up for TGF2 which is flooded with people having all sorts of problems that never ever got fixed by EA . Thank god we have modders and a good community! Though it would be evil to compare EA with Ubi , Ubi sure is hell going down that lane with the speed of light!

[oscar19681]

Keep them votes coming people! Hell! maybe this will even be on a spreadsheet for Ubi converance on monday morning!:har:

[Task Force]

This is probably the end of the road for silent hunter (IMO), they will release anouther patch probably, but subsim will hear about it through members in their forums. I think that ubi/devs are starting to part away from subsim.

[Rockin Robbins]

Yes. No dev team. No more patches. Silence will reign. It's over.

[Ducimus]

Pretty much.

[Buddahaid]

Pretty much.

Pretty sad, but what would you expect when aiming for your feet and hiting both soundly.

[mookiemookie]

It was a fun run while it lasted but the SH franchise sadly ends with not a bang, but a whimper.

[kylania]

I was poking around on the ubi site trying to figure out why my cookies were all screwed up and came across this little gem. Under their "integrated profile" they ask you what your favorite Ubisoft game is:

http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/1232/noshatall.jpg

You'll notice that R.U.S.E., a game that isn't even out yet, is listed. Notice anything that isn't?

Well, since it's a month after the patch and Ubisoft hasn't said anything official the whole time, I guess I'll ask them directly (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/6351005768) and see what (if anything) they have to say.

[FIREWALL]

While I still think it's still a little early to tell where UBI will go with SH5.

I was shocked how many retailers offered refunds.

PC gameing software ? Almost unheard of if, at all.

We should all give a big :up: to the Subsim modders who made game playable.

[Safe-Keeper]

That's incredibly cheap if that's the case. Reminds me of how DICE named their third Battlefield game "Battlefield 2", as if BF Vietnam never existed:-?.

[Sailor Steve]

Every one of the questions is speculation. Any of them may be the correct answer, but there is no way for anyone here to know for sure.

Sorry, but this time I refuse to guess. No poll for me. :dead:

[JScones]

<Pulls out crystal balls...then puts them back again because it's very cold here today...>

...I voted option 7: "NFI - I don't work for Ubisoft (fortunately)".

[HanSolo78]

For me the series and Sh5 has finished!
Even if there will come a final pacth one day... it won´t fix any of these things hat make the game unplayable. instead of that it would contain some small fixes which are not realizable at all like the last patch.
I mean... the last patch took ages and ages and they kept delaying the eta without any good reason... localisation problems... yeah.. sure.
Also the made clear that priorities are now on their new super hit hawx2 and no more resources are left.
It is sooo sad... Sh5 could have become a good sequel of SH3... but in my mind they had no real intention to fullfill subsim cummunities wishes and ideas.
They wanted to release a new small revolution with easy access to the game for causal gamers... and they released a casual game which almost no one satisfies and gave the community a run for their money.
Sometimes it is better to keep old stuff and make a small evolution!
Imagine Sh3 with the graphics of Sh5....

[Sgtmonkeynads]

Not that it matters, but I voted for the last one. Yup, I think its all done for. When the first patch took so long, and fixed nothing that the modders had not already fixed, and skipped things,that I thought were more important than the things that were half way fixed, I knew it was the end.

The only people that could save this franchise don't work for the company, in my opinion.

Did Ubi abandone us ? No they never arrived at the dock in the first place, we left them. Modders have taken something and ran with it, thank God. In time , I see a sub-sim simmular to a certain mega mod for SH3 everyone pretty much considers the Gold standard of sub sims.

[The General]

Imagine Sh3 with the graphics of Sh5....Imagine GWX with the graphics of SH5 :o

[Sgtmonkeynads]

That's what I pray for everytime I come here and look for new mods. The game has come so far in such a short period that I can see an Uber game on the radar, but not the horrizon yet.

And when it does, I hope the Modders put a bow of a ship sticking out of the water in everyport with the letters UBI on it.

[krashkart]

And when it does, I hope the Modders put a bow of a ship sticking out of the water in everyport with the letters UBI on it.

I like that idea. Sad thing is, Ubi might miss the point and instead see it as free advertising. :haha:

[commandosolo2009]

Guys it's over even a 2 years old could tell Ubi is shutting this down for Good. Sadly, were stuck with this.. I wish they hadnt rushed production and let devs finish their work.. I had all my saves online and now, I'm using another computer, cant get them to download and synchronise..

It's BYE BYE for SH series...

[krashkart]

I hope you're wrong about that, commandosolo, but any time I've visited a dead forum for a game I tried to get help with I pretty much knew the company had left it to rot. Haven't been to the Ubi forums at all, except to see kylania's post (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/6351005768), so there's the extent of my knowledge. :-?

[Sonarman]

Where there's life there's hope.... Dan is still a regular visitor here and last posted only a couple of days ago. Sh4 went pretty much the same way after the first patch we heard nothing for a long, long time until the next patch and then the addon. In poor economic times such as these companies will always focus on safe bets, the SH series has given a fair return in the past and the fact that they developed iphone & mobile versions however arcadey shows they at least have some interest in maintaining/expanding the series however misguided the latest incarnations have been.

Hopefully Ubi will now look closely at why SH5 failed and return to the series core strengths. Interestingly every pro review & user review I have read of the iPhone version say the same basic thing reviewers whilst the graphics are good customers want a simulation and not an arcade game even on mobile platforms.

Above and beyond anything else though they need to start listening to and communicating with their customers not just their shareholders.

[krashkart]

Where there's life there's hope.... Dan is still a regular visitor here and last posted only a couple of days ago. Sh4 went pretty much the same way after the first patch we heard nothing for a long, long time until the next patch and then the addon. In poor economic times such as these companies will always focus on safe bets, the SH series has given a fair return in the past and the fact that they developed iphone & mobile versions however arcadey shows they at least have some interest in maintaining/expanding the series however misguided the latest incarnations have been.

Hopefully Ubi will now look closely at why SH5 failed and return to the series core strengths. Interestingly every pro review & user review I have read of the iPhone version say the same basic thing reviewers whilst the graphics are good customers want a simulation and not an arcade game even on mobile platforms.

Above and beyond anything else though they need to start listening to and communicating with their customers not just their shareholders.

Perhaps a larger portion of shareholders should be gamers. Wonder if enough resources could be pooled to form a gamer "lobby" of sorts? I think we'd have a stronger pull that way, rather than venting in useless threads. :hmmm:

[Seeadler]

Above and beyond anything else though they need to start listening to and communicating with their customers not just their shareholders.

I think the shareholders are also not so happy :cool:
http://s1.directupload.net/images/100611/xj9jvhqd.png

[janh]

Hopefully Ubi will now look closely at why SH5 failed and return to the series core strengths. Interestingly every pro review & user review I have read of the iPhone version say the same basic thing reviewers whilst the graphics are good customers want a simulation and not an arcade game even on mobile platforms.

Above and beyond anything else though they need to start listening to and communicating with their customers not just their shareholders.

How many times was that hope expressed in the past, particularly after SHIV release? I bet the decision to end SH franchise -- at least for an extended break -- was made by Ubi management already in autumn/winter 2009. To many indications and contradictions with Ubi's new "frequent release" strategy appeared until now, and the decisions to cut the game content and release it prior to thorough debugging and play testing, lack of communication etc -- this all fits only one scenario...

I think Ubisoft as a company is dedicated to make money, pay dividents and expand its reach. And do so with the least investments to get biggest return on those investment. Any franchise like detailed, realistic simulations of any kind do not exactly match that condition. I think they are simply refocusing on different consumer types and markets, and will leave the simulation market to small specialty companies with better expertise to do such "games" with huge dedication, but small market impacts.

[Brag]

Ignoring yhe wishes and needs of one's hard core customer base has never worked for a company. Ubi has commited a cardinal sin in marketing. I doubt very much they can recover from this fiasco.

GWX plus SH5 graphics without always online requirement could save the SH5 franchise. But does Ubi understand this simple fact?

[krashkart]

Ignoring yhe wishes and needs of one's hard core customer base has never worked for a company. Ubi has commited a cardinal sin in marketing. I doubt very much they can recover from this fiasco.

GWX plus SH5 graphics without always online requirement could save the SH5 franchise. But does Ubi understand this simple fact?


Of course not, they don't speak our language. :-?

[Kptlt Thomsen]

...it's been my experience that they don't speak....period. :D

[SteamWake]

Where there's life there's hope.... Dan is still a regular visitor here and last posted only a couple of days ago.

Dont confuse the nay sayers with factual accounts. ;)

[Noren]

Problem is, if they treat us like this: then why would we ever trust them again? Its not just SH-franchise but all their games.

I just saw a E3-interactive youtube-movie - posted on the SH5-ubiforum- and it made me feel sick, they talked about glamorous fan questions etc. What about us then?

[AVGWarhawk]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Dui8IAY9uqg/SFsQcJouJuI/AAAAAAAACE8/nDiCixJz28Y/s400/Game+Over+Man.jpg

[Barso]

Because of the way we have been treated with SH5 I refuse to buy spinter cell conviction and assassins creed 2 for my xbox 360.
So it works both ways although with the sales of those 2 games I honestly don't think they would give a S**T
I hate the ubisoft CEO as much as I hate that call of duty twat robert dowling and bobby kotick.
With CEO's it's all about pleasing the shareholders and profits.
All SH5 is to them is profit and if the figures don't match resources dedicated to fixing it then it's the end of the line for SH5.
The fact that the game was released in the state it was means it was pushed out early as no more resources were being dedicated to finishing what the devs wanted.
I wish Dan could tell us the true story to SH5 but as he is still on the ubisoft payroll we will never find out unless they cut the devs.

[oscar19681]

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Dui8IAY9uqg/SFsQcJouJuI/AAAAAAAACE8/nDiCixJz28Y/s400/Game+Over+Man.jpg

:har:

[Aufklarer]

The fact that the game was released in the state it was means it was pushed out early as no more resources were being dedicated to finishing what the devs wanted.
I wish Dan could tell us the true story to SH5 but as he is still on the ubisoft payroll we will never find out unless they cut the devs.

SO TRUE...

They UBI board clearly sat down and said "times are hard we are gonna have to pull the plug on the SH series." Developers replied " But sir we are only 50% complete." To which the board in turn replied "Make it playable, make it happen fast and sell the subsim community down the river. Dont worry those mugs will buy it when they see those shiny graphics!"

And thats exactly what happened, we took to bait because we have a passion for the genre, people reading this now will have bought SH5 even though they knew the game wasnt finished. We love subsimming and to hell with it, our modders will save the day. If it wasnt for them i would have stopped playing SH3 years ago.

I cant wait untill a developer actually tells the true story of why UBI have abused the goodwill of the communtiy and alienated them. I for one will no longer support their shoddy company and customer service by buying half finished, mediocre, substandard and wholly unsatisfactory products.

[Hartmann]

I don´t think that is the end of Silent Hunter series as a game but yes as a simulator . the series can continue in a different way, more arcade for consoles marquet.

No realism, no mods, only fast fire and warships in scripted campaigns , forget navigate free in the ocean, only clossed scenarios like PT boats.

The future for subsims remains in the modding of sh4-shV and perhaps some other free games.

ubi gives to us a uncut diamond but could be a hard work convert this to this

:nope:

http://bespokecashmere.files.wordpress.com/2010/01/diamond_rough.jpg

http://www.diamondocean.com/news/images/20071015_114_1.jpg

[Barso]

If they intend for the community to fix it then they need to open the game up and let the modders at it.
But then that will never happen either.
There's a reason pc games have such a long shelf life and that's due to people picking up games later when they have the hardware to run it and modding.
It's a shame that SH5 will end here and now.
Is there a reason why Dan won't claim they are working on patch 1.3?
I know he reads the forums.

[krashkart]

Is there a reason why Dan won't claim they are working on patch 1.3?
I know he reads the forums.


He might not be able to say much of anything without breaching contract with his employer. That's my guess.

[Barso]

What I will never understand is why a dev or publisher would not say that the next patch is being developed.
That would at least give some confidence to the people that bought this game.
I have read that SH 3+4 were treated the same and were just as buggy as SH5 if not worse.
Hopefully we won't have to buy an XPAC to get the last patch.

[Madox58]

I'd tend to doubt there's any plans at this time for another patch.
Maybe down the road given the right circumstances.
I'd say one of the biggest things that could drive a new patch?
Stop begging for a handout,
kick this Pig in the arse and do some real work on fixing what we can.
We can add Units, so lets do that.
The more the better!
We can work the campaign files,
BBW has done alot of work that would amaze you!
But he needs those Units!
So what if Ubi did write off SH5?
They'll only take a second look if WE prove it's needed.
Not by bitching and argueing.
But by createing things as was done for past versions.
Proveing we are a force to be considered!
It would only serve to put money in Ubi's accounts sure.
But that's Ubi's driveing force.
And we all win with a better Game in the long run.

We can leave like rats on a sinking ship.
Or We can,
(as has been done before),
get Ubi's attention.

[robbo180265]

I'd tend to doubt there's any plans at this time for another patch.
Maybe down the road given the right circumstances.
I'd say one of the biggest things that could drive a new patch?
Stop begging for a handout,
kick this Pig in the arse and do some real work on fixing what we can.
We can add Units, so lets do that.
The more the better!
We can work the campaign files,
BBW has done alot of work that would amaze you!
But he needs those Units!
So what if Ubi did write off SH5?
They'll only take a second look if WE prove it's needed.
Not by bitching and argueing.
But by createing things as was done for past versions.
Proveing we are a force to be considered!
It would only serve to put money in Ubi's accounts sure.
But that's Ubi's driveing force.
And we all win with a better Game in the long run.

We can leave like rats on a sinking ship.
Or We can,
(as has been done before),
get Ubi's attention.

Some wise words there matey:up:

[pythos]

This thread and poll, I think is a very grand example of something that is completely un needed.

First off it is yet another "let's bash Ubi" thread. It is negative, and does nothing concerning the improvement of the game.

Comparing Sh5 to God Father 2 is like comparing an old apple to a moldy orange. God Father 2 was an abortion from the day it came out. It was just a vehicle to get some money from first person shooter fans, in answer to Grand Theft auto.

The OP said that GF2 was was better than the stock version of Sh5 is unbelievably wrong. My friend got that game and IT NEVER RAN RIGHT. It crashed as often as SH4 stock.

That being said. The choices of the poll are all much the same except for the one that actually supports the game, which is phrased in a manner that only a blind fool would say.

That being said. I have stated this before. If I was a dev for UBI and saw the treatment handed to me BEFORE the game came out, I would have told the community to eff off.

It is too early to tell what the fate of SH5 is. It is also way to early to tell the fate of the SH series.

A key thing we seem to forget. Sh5 on most of our computers is not what UBI put a lot of work in. How much work did UBI put into making the environment? Well most of that work is thrown out by the environmental mods. That is just one example. Why should a dev put time into putting something together if it is just going to be changed by a modder to something is superior?

I am not a rabid fan boy. I am very much aware of how terrible aspects of the game are, however I don't see the point of continuing to slam UBI with polls and threads like this.

[Barso]

I like you attitude privateer!
I am not a modder but just how moddable is SH5 at the moment with patch 1.2 ?

[krashkart]

*Post of ROCK*

^^ I truncated it a little. :DL

Not sayin' you're ancient, but... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4C2TDUPejc

:rock:

[asanovic7]

dude 41,57%

are we optimistic or what?

:DL

[asanovic7]

i'd tend to doubt there's any plans at this time for another patch.
Maybe down the road given the right circumstances.
I'd say one of the biggest things that could drive a new patch?
Stop begging for a handout,
kick this pig in the arse and do some real work on fixing what we can.
We can add units, so lets do that.
The more the better!
We can work the campaign files,
bbw has done alot of work that would amaze you!
But he needs those units!
So what if ubi did write off sh5?
They'll only take a second look if we prove it's needed.
Not by bitching and argueing.
But by createing things as was done for past versions.
Proveing we are a force to be considered!
It would only serve to put money in ubi's accounts sure.
But that's ubi's driveing force.
And we all win with a better game in the long run.

We can leave like rats on a sinking ship.
Or we can,
(as has been done before),
get ubi's attention.



freedom!!!!

:)

[Madox58]

I like you attitude privateer!
I am not a modder but just how moddable is SH5 at the moment with patch 1.2 ?


I don't use 1.2 yet.
:03:
But the files are as moddable as before!
We just can not use S3D (YET) which many depend on!
(Urfish did a fix for particles, I did a fix for zones and am working on more areas)
So it falls back to hexing things for awhile.
We also need scripters to look at things besides the UI.

It's going to take alot of people in many areas to do some serious work.
I fear threads like this do nothing more then scare them like
stories of The Boogie Man hideing in the closet when they were young.
:nope:

[Barso]

If threads like this are actually scaring modders away then these threads really do
need to stop.
I would love to see this game flourish as it just looks so damn good and it would be great to see it up with the best.

[krashkart]

I don't use 1.2 yet.
:03:
But the files are as moddable as before!
We just can not use S3D (YET) which many depend on!
(Urfish did a fix for particles, I did a fix for zones and am working on more areas)
So it falls back to hexing things for awhile.
We also need scripters to look at things besides the UI.

It's going to take alot of people in many areas to do some serious work.
I fear threads like this do nothing more then scare them like
stories of The Boogie Man hideing in the closet when they were young.
:nope:

Got Text? I can edit it. Hate writing README's that never get read? I'll gladly take that load off. Need an extra finger to tie that bow? I have eight of them right here, which one do you need? (Just make sure to give it back when you're done with it) Y'all know how to PM me. :salute:

[asanovic7]

scary threads!

:timeout: :timeout: :timeout: :timeout:

:88)

[Madox58]

At this point in time?
I contact anyone I believe has the drive, or knowledge, to share for a common goal.

I've contacted RAD Games, I've contacted Dan, I've bothered Neal,
I've looked into money for Independent Development Teams.

I exchange thoughts and ideas with everyone I can think of.
I started a new forum and posted here at SubSim about that.
I send invites to people most would believe I hate!

I have few lines I will not cross to try to drive a positive movement.
I don't suck up to people mind you.
But I respect even those I may have had exchanges with.

Rockin Robins and I have had many exchanges.
We like one another because we RESPECT each other.
And we agreed to disagree.
I value that type approach.

When will the rest of this Community get the simple fact that
we stand together or we fall together?

[Nordmann]

You forgot the 'I don't give a damn' option!

We'll get one eventually, you just have to be patient, the game is still playable in its current state.

[kylania]

This thread and poll, I think is a very grand example of something that is completely un needed.

First off it is yet another "let's bash Ubi" thread. It is negative, and does nothing concerning the improvement of the game.

Normally I'd agree, I mean 7 of the posts on the front page of this forum are little more than "SH5 sucks" trolls, however this post had views for both for and against.

But really, Ubisoft has been totally out of contacts for MONTHS. They deserve this kind of bashing if only for that. They've fully explained DRM time and time again. They haven't explained why there's apparently no support at all for Silent Hunter.

Patch 1.2 was barely mentioned, a month late and we only knew that because we translated the German forums, when it finally came out there's been no response to feedback and the problems still broken in the patch. Basically Ubisoft hasn't said word one to us since the game came out. That's utterly unacceptable.

It's now been another month since the patch came out (the patch isn't even listed on ubisoft.com btw...) and the silence still stands. Sure Dan's posted here or there at SubSim, but NO ONE from Ubisoft has posted on their main official forums and Dan's posts here have been little more than "oh yeah" and "that's neat" type posts, nothing official that he's stated, and I wouldn't expect him to have to. He's here as a friend of the site, not an official Ubisoft rep.

The total lack of communication from Ubisoft is just appalling. I've thrown down the gauntet to them on their forums and got a response from one of their forum managers, the only tenuous contact we have with the company, and she's said she'll try to get an answer to my question of: Yes, there will be at least one more patch or No, Silent Hunter is over and unsupported as of now.

That Yes/No answer is the bare minimum that we customers deserve from Ubisoft and will help determine the direction of modding and the end goal of SH5. If they say Yes, maybe we can get some things like minefields fixed. If they say No, work can begin on trying to add those things to the game and working on a new full war campaign can begin.

Privateer definitely has the right attitude, but without knowing if anything more is coming from Ubisoft we're just left too much in the dark.

[Madox58]

I choose not to wait for another patch.
I'll do what I can now and fix things later if the need arises.
I'll also state here and now,
I'll be looking into other options.
Dll hooks and such.

The saying goes,
If it ain't broken?
Don't fix it.
SH5 does not follow this saying!
It's broken!

If it was a Dog we'd shoot it!

[mookiemookie]

I'd tend to doubt there's any plans at this time for another patch.
Maybe down the road given the right circumstances.
I'd say one of the biggest things that could drive a new patch?
Stop begging for a handout,
kick this Pig in the arse and do some real work on fixing what we can.
We can add Units, so lets do that.
The more the better!
We can work the campaign files,
BBW has done alot of work that would amaze you!
But he needs those Units!
So what if Ubi did write off SH5?
They'll only take a second look if WE prove it's needed.
Not by bitching and argueing.
But by createing things as was done for past versions.
Proveing we are a force to be considered!
It would only serve to put money in Ubi's accounts sure.
But that's Ubi's driveing force.
And we all win with a better Game in the long run.

We can leave like rats on a sinking ship.
Or We can,
(as has been done before),
get Ubi's attention.

Great points. One of the most positive posts I've ever seen the SH5 forum.

[karamazovnew]

We can leave like rats on a sinking ship.
Or We can,
(as has been done before),
get Ubi's attention.

Or both at the same time:

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_SqsTu1kXgNg/SkFSL1iftgI/AAAAAAAAAj4/PtP4scbQxls/s400/jewish_rat1.jpg

http://www.ideachampions.com/weblogs/surprise.jpg

[badaboom]

I'm hoping for another patch,SHV has potential to be a terrific sim,IMHO.

[IanC]

Silent Hunter series, mortally wounded by self-inflicted gunshot wound.

[Madox58]

Silent Hunter series, mortally wounded by self-inflicted gunshot wound.

So it becomes a Zombie.
Oh!
Wait!
That's the OTHER thread.
:haha:

[trotter]

Why even complain about it? We all bought this piece of crap game, we're all suckers. I personally am never buying another UBI game again, for any system. That's my decision- nothing can recoup my poor judgment on the sunk cost of this particular "finished" product. But I sure as hell can decide never to support this company in any future endeavours.

If they are "done" with the sub genre, good riddance. I'll take my modded games and be perfectly fine. Glad UBI got out before they churned out a SH6 which was a complete transition into a "virtual life" game that their poorly trained consumer insights/marketing department seems to believe will be profitable.

[Noren]

No, not everyone bought the game. Quite a few of us hesitated upon hearing of the DRM and lack of general feedback of the progress.
We're just here because we love the francise and what could have been.

[almg]

For me there will have another patch for three reasons:

1/ Silent Hunter V finished in 1943.
2/ There is only the classe VII in this first game.
3/ Ubi Soft knows there is a very important community of gamers all around the world !

Alban

[Fincuan]

For me there will have another patch for three reasons:
1/ Silent Hunter V finished in 1943.
2/ There is only the classe VII in this first game.
3/ Ubi Soft knows there is a very important community of gamers all around the world !
Alban

Optimisism is of course always nice, but realistically thinking you're expecting way too much. 1 and 2 won't happen in a patch. An addon maybe, like the U-boat addon for SH4, but not in a free patch. They are deliberate design choices and not something to be "fixed" via patching. 3, well I wouldn't be so sure about that anymore. By all means they should know, but the actions speak otherwise. Besides the community is pretty small which means not much $$ can be extracted from it compared to communities formed around more popular titles.

[almg]

Yes Fincuan but Subsim is a very important community. And perhaps will Destroyer Command 2 be produced :hmmm: ?

Alban

[Gerald]

Ubi have done SH5,to try to see the light in the tunnel, but the are more focus on Tom Clancy and other action games.One thing is clear SH3+GWX lives for ever and SH4 for backup.

[Moeceefus]

wheres the "thier communication is poor, but it just came out and its way too early to call it abandoned" option? its always so gloomy in here.

[IanC]

So it becomes a Zombie.
Oh!
Wait!
That's the OTHER thread.
:haha:

:haha: oh great, another zombie

[Rockin Robbins]

ANOTHER zombie???!!!! Run and hide!:eek:

[Rockin Robbins]

Rockin Robins and I have had many exchanges.
We like one another because we RESPECT each other.
And we agreed to disagree.
I value that type approach.

When will the rest of this Community get the simple fact that
we stand together or we fall together?

We agreed to disagree on only a few points. An a great many we are of one mind and purpose. I believe the only life SH5 has left is right here and privateer and his group are ground zero. The talent and the ideas are here. If the game lets you, the sky is the limit!

I don't like what Ubi has done with SH5 and I forcefully express my opinions on that. Please don't extend that forcefulness to a feeling that I hate anybody or wish anybody to fail in improving SH5. Nothing could be further from the truth.:up:

[difool2]

Well, since it's a month after the patch and Ubisoft hasn't said anything official the whole time, I guess I'll ask them directly (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/6351005768) and see what (if anything) they have to say.

Hmm a different handle over there hmm... :hmmm:

[Méo]

I don't like what Ubi has done with SH5 and I forcefully express my opinions on that. Please don't extend that forcefulness to a feeling that I hate anybody or wish anybody to fail in improving SH5. Nothing could be further from the truth.:up:

Good to see, I'm gonna read your posts from another point of view now. :up:

[Madox58]

I've had alot of exchanges with RR by e-mail.
I don't always agree with him but came to respect his stance in many areas.

Don't let his posts here at SubSim fool you into thinking he's some sort of trouble maker.
He's a very nice and straight shooting Guy!
:salute:

I learned long ago to think about what he posted before I reacted.

[Sailor Steve]

its always so gloomy in here.
Only if you choose to see it that way. I never have. Some are overly gloomy, some are overly optimistic. In both cases that's their problem, as in both cases they don't have a clue what the real status of anything is.

Nor do I. I'm just saying I enjoy this place and don't let too much optimism or pessimism get to me.

I don't like what Ubi has done with SH5 and I forcefully express my opinions on that. Please don't extend that forcefulness to a feeling that I hate anybody or wish anybody to fail in improving SH5. Nothing could be further from the truth.:up:
Well said. I've refused to buy SH5 for my own reasons but I still support the game, no matter how bad some say it is, and once they'll let me I'll be getting it and doing what I can to help.

[gimpy117]

I'd say 50/50 chance the plug had been pulled... :nope:

[Faamecanic]

Hopefully Ubi will now look closely at why SH5 failed and return to the series core strengths.

They will wha...what..... bwahhahahaha :har: :haha: :har: :rotfl2: :har:

All Ubi has to do is look at the declining sales of SH4 vs. Sh3, and SH5 vs. SH4.... cripes.

Maybe I should be come one of those $100,000 consultant that comes into a multi-million dollar company, spends 3 days walking around and "observing", then tells upper-management what all the lower level management already KNOWS if they were just asked. Then that same consultant laughs all the way to the bank and upper management acts like the have had some kind of earth moving epiphany. This now leads to MONTHS of meetings/kaizen/lean events (whatever the flavor-du-jor is today) so all the employees will be told to do buisness in a completely different way that will be ignored and forgotten in 2 months.

Ahhh...sorry for the rant...not directed at you Sonar... just the one comment you made makes me laugh. IF the REAL reason SH5 sales sucked was a brick and hit Ubi in the head... the would think the sky is falling.

[janh]

I'd say 50/50 chance the plug had been pulled... :nope:

100% it has. Every indication implies that already for a while. The patching progress only tops it off with a cherry. Sad, but there are few good companies left today that are dedicated enough to finish such an (ideally) detailed and complex game. The big publishers have to much responsibility towards their stockholders -- nothing left for customers.

[mookiemookie]

The big publishers have to much responsibility towards their stockholders -- nothing left for customers.

Unfortunately, a lot of companies fail to realize that the better you take care of the customers, the better you'll do for the stockholders.

[Hartmann]

For me there will have another patch for three reasons:

1/ Silent Hunter V finished in 1943.
2/ There is only the classe VII in this first game.
3/ Ubi Soft knows there is a very important community of gamers all around the world !

Alban

ubi probably never finish the game but add some new units and moddify the campaign can be done using mods.

but only in the case that will not have another patch.

I hope that they release a 1.2 offline before shutting down the servers

[Madox58]

100% it has. Every indication implies that already for a while. The patching progress only tops it off with a cherry. Sad, but there are few good companies left today that are dedicated enough to finish such an (ideally) detailed and complex game. The big publishers have to much responsibility towards their stockholders -- nothing left for customers.


I'd tend to think that,
Yes,
there is no on going work at this time for another patch.

The Dev's proved that Units can be imported to higher ups,
and that may have been enuff for them.

'Let the Modders do the work for free.
Once sales go up again?
We'll revisit doing another patch.'

Is the way I see it in my head.
I can also hear them!
But they speak French so I don't know what they are saying!
:haha:

[Rockin Robbins]

One thing for sure. If Ubi abandons the game and cancels the Silent Hunter Series, they will be the losers, not us. We will merely get what we want from someone else.

I remember how despondent I was when Apple abandoned the Apple II line after completely losing the vision and releasing lousy versions toward the end, then not supporting them. Talk about doomsaying! But now I have the computer I always wanted and Apple was not willing to produce. Too bad for them. And my present computer is based on the same open architecture and open code ethic that made the Apple II so great and the lack of makes the Mac so bad.

That's how the subsim drama will play out if Ubi doesn't buy a vowel. And like Apple, Ubi may go on to be very successful in their clueless, anti-customer ways. It's sure worked for Apple!

[scratch81]

I'd tend to think that,
Yes,
there is no on going work at this time for another patch.

The Dev's proved that Units can be imported to higher ups,
and that may have been enuff for them.

'Let the Modders do the work for free.
Once sales go up again?
We'll revisit doing another patch.'

Is the way I see it in my head.
I can also hear them!
But they speak French so I don't know what they are saying!
:haha:

Thank the gods my voices are mute and use sign language, good thing i can't see them, or i'd be in one helluva mess.

[Drifter]

Has Ubisoft abandoned us? Of course they have. They took the money and ran. It appears that was their intention from the start, even before the pathetic release of SH5. But their day of reckoning is coming soon. I don't think they will last much longer as a company. See the thread below:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=171055

[gimpy117]

Its disturbing really. Seems a lot of games with potential are being abandoned by their developers for the sake of money.

I bought 4 games this year, Rise of flight, FSX, Modern warfare 2, and of course Sh5. and 2/4 are unsupported wrecks.

The good:
-FSX had been patched 3 times i think?
-I got rise of flight at patch 1.002 and they are now Up to 1.013 yes that's right 1.013. Thats the customer service you get when a former team of modders makes a company! (although they have a bad habit of making new planes to sell and not fixing Flight models of the old/ free ones)

The bad:
Silent hunter 5...enough said

Modern warfare 2 started out as a good fun title...but slowly...relentless Lag, Hackers, A Pointless over priced map pack, Problems with IW net and a general lack of concern by ANY and ALL of the developers, be it IW ward or activision have made that game a joke.

Is this what PC gamers are relegated to? It seems more and more companies release a game...promise great things and patches, then split after getting their money. :nope:

[krashkart]

If there are enough people running for the store shelves and imparting tremendous bandwidth usage to the Steam servers on release day, the companies will see $$$$, not the gamer wish/fix list afterward. To be fair, some companies are better about this than others.


Don't trust anyone over thirty, either. (especially privateer, Reece, or me :O:)

[Sailor Steve]

Don't trust anyone over thirty, either. (especially privateer, Reece, or me :O:)
What about people over twice thirty?

[krashkart]

What about people over twice thirty?


Especially, especially not people twice over thirty. Bad juju.

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My God. In a few short years nobody will trust me. I will be too old. I mean, young. Erm, old. No, young! *facepalm* This is complicated.

[TDK1044]

In answer to the OP; I don't think Ubisoft abandoned us.....I think they made a very poor business decision and they are now paying the price for it....as are subsimmers everywhere.

If they were to remove the DRM component, at least they would leave the Silent Hunter franchise on a high note. :)

[Takao]

This is the progression for Silent Hunter IV: Wolves of the Pacific

SHIV released March 20, 2007
Free Patch 1: March 22
Free Patch 2: April 17
Free Patch 3: July 12
Free Patch 4: November 26
Add-On: March 28, 2008


As opposed to SHV

release: March 2
Patch 1: March 3
Patch 2: May 11

So if there actually is another patch, we won't see it until July-August.

However, given the lack of feedback for the game by Ubisoft, I think they have unofficially abandoned the game

[Barso]

After watching the ubisoft E3 event yesterday, it became very obvious were ubisofts future lies and sorry but the silent hunter franchise won't be in it.
Am I sorry? No I'm not because after the SH5 treatment I'm glad it stops here.
I would love the GWX team to go back and finish SH4 GWX.

[Hanomag]

I have not bought or even seen anyone play SH5. Normally I support my fav game titles. Like SH3 for example. I still encourage my friends to buy it and then point them over here to Subsim for appropriate modding. :up:

I would really like to play SH5 but the negative feedback is horrific. :nope:

Besides the DRM issue.. is it true that you are limited to certain types of boats? Its not like SH3 where I anxiously await each passing month til I can upgrade to my beloved IXD2?? I am somewhat confused with the gameplay. Maybe its too much rumor control. I am sure I will have to buy it at some point and find out for myself. "Dont worry Neal I'll use the Amazon link." :DL

I can only pray that a phoenix arises from the ashes of SH5...

I am spoiled rotten by GWX and Commander and many other wonderful mods and skins etc, which allowed me to create a "Burger King.. Have it your way.." type of game.

Anyways I would love to help in future endeavors for this game but anything above and beyond gameplay and graphics issues my abilities are somewhat limited. I mean anyone can spot a destroyer with wings. No?

[Bilge_Rat]

Its disturbing really. Seems a lot of games with potential are being abandoned by their developers for the sake of money.

I bought 4 games this year, Rise of flight, FSX, Modern warfare 2, and of course Sh5. and 2/4 are unsupported wrecks.

The good:
-FSX had been patched 3 times i think?
-I got rise of flight at patch 1.002 and they are now Up to 1.013 yes that's right 1.013. Thats the customer service you get when a former team of modders makes a company! (although they have a bad habit of making new planes to sell and not fixing Flight models of the old/ free ones)

The bad:
Silent hunter 5...enough said

Modern warfare 2 started out as a good fun title...but slowly...relentless Lag, Hackers, A Pointless over priced map pack, Problems with IW net and a general lack of concern by ANY and ALL of the developers, be it IW ward or activision have made that game a joke.

Is this what PC gamers are relegated to? It seems more and more companies release a game...promise great things and patches, then split after getting their money. :nope:

The best customer support for a wargame that I have seen comes from Battlefront for their Combat Mission: Shock Force. It was released in 2007, since then they have released 2 addons with another one on the way. They are up to patch 1.21 and unlike many others issue free patches to players who do not buy the addons.

But BFC is run by wargamers who actually care about the games they put out.

[John Channing]

Especially, especially not people twice over thirty. Bad juju.

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My God. In a few short years nobody will trust me. I will be too old. I mean, young. Erm, old. No, young! *facepalm* This is complicated.

Easy to calculate:


0-30: Trustworthy (still too dumb to be dishonest)

31-60: Untrustworthy (usually drunk)

60+ (twice-thirty): Trustworthy (too tired to be dishonest)


JCC
Still can't be trusted, but getting more tired every day.

[flag4]

i was in my local Game the other weekend and it looked like the old days of out-going LP's and in-coming CD's.

less and less space for pc games and the ever expanding console range.

...some where in there is SH5 et al...

i can only guess titles like SH are of not much monitary income for the big boys in suites?

[AVGWarhawk]

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/9308940/2/istockphoto_9308940-finished-stamp.jpg

[Buddahaid]

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thumbview_approve/9308940/2/istockphoto_9308940-finished-stamp.jpg

It certainly is not finished! It's just ended.

[longam]

In answer to the OP; I don't think Ubisoft abandoned us.....I think they made a very poor business decision and they are now paying the price for it....as are subsimmers everywhere.

If they were to remove the DRM component, at least they would leave the Silent Hunter franchise on a high note. :)

How can we not love a company that gives us things like this?

http://www.gamespot.com/promos/princeofpersia-game/flash/

:O:

[krashkart]

Easy to calculate:


0-30: Trustworthy (still too dumb to be dishonest)

31-60: Untrustworthy (usually drunk)

60+ (twice-thirty): Trustworthy (too tired to be dishonest)


JCC
Still can't be trusted, but getting more tired every day.


LOL :up:

[Reece]

i was in my local Game the other weekend and it looked like the old days of out-going LP's and in-coming CD's.

less and less space for pc games and the ever expanding console range.
Definitely! in the last 6 months, I would say mainly due to the online DRM.:hmmm: I used to purchase a couple of games a month but in the last 6 months none!:down: Could also be the game types, too many 2D and gothic type games, simulators are virtually gone and even 3D shoot-em-ups are getting rare.:oops::cry:

[Takao]

Recee and flag4,

It has been that way in the US for a few years now. Wal-mart has a better pc games selection than the local EB Games store.

[Sailor Steve]

Easy to calculate:


0-30: Trustworthy (still too dumb to be dishonest)

31-60: Untrustworthy (usually drunk)

60+ (twice-thirty): Trustworthy (too tired to be dishonest)


JCC
Still can't be trusted, but getting more tired every day.
But you can be trusted. If you know someone is untrustworthy then you know not to trust him.

You can trust in that.




I may be too tired to be dishonest, but you can trust in me to be confusing. Every time. Also confused.

[SteelViking]

But you can be trusted. If you know someone is untrustworthy then you know not to trust him.

You can trust in that.




I may be too tired to be dishonest, but you can trust in me to be confusing. Every time. Also confused.

Ummmmm........Yup.....my brain just stopped working.:doh:

I have to hand it to you, you are good at the art of confusion.

[JU_88]

I'd say keep an eye on this thread over the coming days.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/6351005768/p/2

Topic: "Dear Ubisoft: Yes or No, Is the Silent Hunter series still supported by Ubisoft?"

Response from Ms-Mkleaneasy (Ubi forum manager):

"@ All – I’ve raised the question and my boss is contacting EMEA to see what the situation is although he has warned me with E3 we may not get a prompt response. As frustrating as it is I can only ask you bear with me, and if we’ve still nothing this time next week I’ll make some more noise http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif"

[SteelViking]

I'd say keep an eye on this thread over the coming days.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/6351005768/p/2

Topic: "Dear Ubisoft: Yes or No, Is the Silent Hunter series still supported by Ubisoft?"

Response from Ms-Mkleaneasy (Ubi forum manager):

"@ All – I’ve raised the question and my boss is contacting EMEA to see what the situation is although he has warned me with E3 we may not get a prompt response. As frustrating as it is I can only ask you bear with me, and if we’ve still nothing this time next week I’ll make some more noise http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif"

Thanks for the heads up on this JU_88.

[JScones]

I'd say keep an eye on this thread over the coming days.

http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/6351005768/p/2

Topic: "Dear Ubisoft: Yes or No, Is the Silent Hunter series still supported by Ubisoft?"

Response from Ms-Mkleaneasy (Ubi forum manager):

"@ All – I’ve raised the question and my boss is contacting EMEA to see what the situation is although he has warned me with E3 we may not get a prompt response. As frustrating as it is I can only ask you bear with me, and if we’ve still nothing this time next week I’ll make some more noise http://forums.ubi.com/images/smilies/25.gif"
Why? All that statement implies is that Ubisoft will be too busy pimping their new crap in LA over the next few days to reply to their customers. A convenient, and somewhat lame, excuse (should we believe that all decision making at Ubisoft comes to a halt because of a three day gaming convention? Especially when this is hardly an out-of-the-blue question they've been asked) and no more helpful than the silent treatment they've been giving since release. Now they really do take us for fools. The Germans will filter the information to the rest of us first, as always...

FYI, games list for E3 here... http://e3.gamespot.com/games.html . 726 games and not one Silent Hunter, LOL!

[JU_88]

Why?



Because Hell, that is about the best thing we got right now.
I just thought there might be a small chance that the guy could a least get an official answer as to weather or not they will be another patch for SHV. Which is what everyone here wants to know, right?

Sure, if you don't belive it will amount to anything, (and maybe it wont) then you dont need to follow the thread do you? No one is forcing you.
.....And I dont think anyone is seriously expecting SH6 at E3 are they? :haha:

[Gorshkov]

SH6 on E3? Maybe next year - as a console naval shooter. :rotfl2:

[Iron Budokan]

I think it's probably the end of the series.

[Gorshkov]

The worse is this is a very bad end of Silent Hunter franchise in UBI Soft's colors. :down:

[q800]

simulators are virtually gone and even 3D shoot-em-ups are getting rare.:oops::cry:

I wouldn't say they'gone. Remember that simulators' "lifespan" is far more longer than any other type of game. You've got Lock-on with Flaming Cliffs, FSX with great Accusim addons, Orbiter, Rise of Flight, upcoming BoB:Storm of War, DCS Ka-50(which is like...WOW!) with upcoming A-10 addon, Wing of Prey (shooter but very nice), upcoming Longbow exhumation :) ...some of them, like lock on are quite old, but lots of ppl still don't have rig that can run those sims smoothly (FSX :P). I can see some sort of reborn in simulators. To me it looks like sim's Golden Age. Devs are fascinated with todays possibilities. Sims have never been so sofisticated, polished, detailed and convincing as today. Excluding SH5 of course.

[JU_88]

Simming isnt dead but its no where near as popular as it was a decade ago.
Low demand = low budget.
I disagree that FPS game are becoming rare though, many are still released every year and there are some well established franchises that are here to stay.
Thats said most single player FPS games are dumbed down and no where near as fun as they used to be.
Deus Ex was 10 years ago and IMHO it has yet to be beaten.

[scratch81]

Easy to calculate:


0-30: Trustworthy (still too dumb to be dishonest)

31-60: Untrustworthy (usually drunk)

60+ (twice-thirty): Trustworthy (too tired to be dishonest)


JCC
Still can't be trusted, but getting more tired every day.

oh god, im about to be untrustworthy and usually druink. well, i guess its only half bad. bottoms up :()1:

[Madox58]

Easy to calculate:


0-30: Trustworthy (still too dumb to be dishonest)

31-60: Untrustworthy (usually drunk)

60+ (twice-thirty): Trustworthy (too tired to be dishonest)


Well, I have about 7 1/2 left years to steal your Beer then.
:har: