Deus Ex: Human Revolution

[Spike88]

Having given up on Deus Ex 1 and never trying #2, I can't say I'm a fan of the game(although I would like to replay 1 and try 2, I wonder if they work on Windows 7). But after watching this trailer:
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/e3-2010-deus-ex/100909
I have to say I have an eye out for this game. If anything It'd make a good movie. :haha:

[Ducimus]

There was a deus ex 2?

[Spike88]

Deus Ex Invisible Wars.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invisible_War

[kiwi_2005]

There was a deus ex 2?

It ain't Deus Ex but its still a good game...

People though will still say Deus ex is the greatest game of all time. It was great but wasn't that great! After playing it again a few months back i thought it was quite crap to be honest. Didn't even bother to finish it.

Here's hoping Deus ex 3 will be "the greatest game of all time"! :)

[Dowly]

There was a deus ex 2?

Don't bother with it. It was pretty horrible compared to DE1. :nope:

[mookiemookie]

I'm actually playing through DE1 at the moment. And it is indeed, if not the greatest, one of the greatest games of all time.

Soooo can't wait for 3. Hope they don't screw it up.

[Ducimus]

Sounds like i didn't miss much with DE2.

edit:
Wow, DE1 is showing its age:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khQ4owaUURo

I haven't played that in YEARS, but its odd how i remember thinking the graphics were top notch. Watching that vid, all the sounds i remember from the back ground music to the charging of the cattleprod to the drop of a crate. I guess i played it ALOT back in the day. lol

[mookiemookie]

Happy 10th anniversary Deus Ex!

[Arclight]

Your First Look at Deus Ex Gameplay (http://kotaku.com/5612092/your-first-look-at-deus-ex-gameplay)

Sweet. :yeah:

Think I spotted from FPS drops, but judging from the bit of gameplay it's the 360 version. :hmmm:

[HunterICX]

Sweet stuff indeed:yep:

HunterICX

[Spike88]

Your First Look at Deus Ex Gameplay (http://kotaku.com/5612092/your-first-look-at-deus-ex-gameplay)

Sweet. :yeah:

Think I spotted from FPS drops, but judging from the bit of gameplay it's the 360 version. :hmmm:

Damnit Archlight. I had found this footage on gametrailers, and was meaning to post it, but ended up forgetting and posting in the Mafia 2 topic. But you beat me to it. :haha:


Although Here is the HD footage.
http://www.gametrailers.com/video/gc-10-deus-ex/702812

I for one did not notice any frame rate dips.

I wonder if the Triangle in the name means the ps3 version will be better than the 360 version. :hmmm: Too many developers make ****ty ports of games for the Ps3. Like Mafia 2 which for some reason is missing 3d grass in the ps3 version. It's not that the ps3 can't handle it, just look at Uncharted 2, MGS4, and God Of war 3. Anyways I'll end this rant.

[Arclight]

Well, I'd say together we're doing a reasonable job of keeping this lot informed. And we use different sources, so you get a more complete picture. :yep:


Maybe it's dropped frames in the video instead of FPS drops, maybe to keep video in sync with audio. :hmmm:


I hear ya on PS3... as far as I'm concerned, it's the more capable of the 2 (360 vs ps3). But it's more difficult to develop for, and Xbox is prety close to PC. In the end it's easier to make it for 360, do a relatively easy port to PC and then a more costly one to PS3. As a result, the PC version suffers in the performance (unoptimized) and the PS3 is missing stuff that would take too much effort to port, sometimes worse performance as well. Not always the case, but seems the general trend.

[Spike88]

Well, I'd say together we're doing a reasonable job of keeping this lot informed. And we use different sources, so you get a more complete picture. :yep:


Maybe it's dropped frames in the video instead of FPS drops, maybe to keep video in sync with audio. :hmmm:


I hear ya on PS3... as far as I'm concerned, it's the more capable of the 2 (360 vs ps3). But it's more difficult to develop for, and Xbox is prety close to PC. In the end it's easier to make it for 360, do a relatively easy port to PC and then a more costly one to PS3. As a result, the PC version suffers in the performance (unoptimized) and the PS3 is missing stuff that would take too much effort to port, sometimes worse performance as well. Not always the case, but seems the general trend.


Which is annoying when developers say(especially 2k on Mafia 2) that they put just as much work into each one. I am just glad that more developers are starting to use the Ps3 for their main development(thanks to Sony releasing better tools to work with)


As a side note, one of the most irritating things about the 360 is the fact that Halo:Reach is the most anticipated game of 2010. I saw a comment on a Mafia 2 article in which someone said that Mafia 2 will be generic mainstream crap, and people shouldn't buy it or they'll encourage developers to make more. The very next line said that people should buy Halo:Reach instead. :har: I almost died from the irony.

[Wolfehunter]

Cool vid. Always was a fan of Deus.. :salute:

[Arclight]

I saw a comment on a Mafia 2 article in which someone said that Mafia 2 will be generic mainstream crap, and people shouldn't buy it or they'll encourage developers to make more. The very next line said that people should buy Halo:Reach instead. :har: I almost died from the irony.
Yeah, it seems the gene pool is shrinking. :hmmm:

It's more like a gene kiddy pool nowadays. :DL

[Arclight]

Now we're talking:

This Amazing Deus Ex Trailer Will Need Some Popcorn (http://kotaku.com/5710958/this-amazing-deus-ex-trailer-will-need-some-popcorn)

Impressive. Looks good, solid. Inspired and creative, which seems to be rare these days.

I know it's a comment that attracts hate, but: I hope they didn't limit the PC version to a controller. Seems like a game that would benefit from the greater control a keyboard offers.

I'm tired of shooters that won't even let you lean around a corner, to just state an example.

[mookiemookie]

It looks combat-centric. I hope that's not how the actual game turns out. I really liked minimizing casualties in DE1.

[d@rk51d3]

The only thing I didn't like about DE1, was that you were forced, after a point, to follow your brothers footsteps (so to speak).............. But I wanna keep hunting the NSF, and my traitor brother.:x

[Wolfehunter]

From what I see and hear its another console shooter game... My guess they've already ruined a PC game... :nope:

[onelifecrisis]

I'm quite interested in this.

I bought the original Deus Ex because everyone raved about it, but once I started playing it I found it to be much too similar to System Shock 2 which, at the time, I'd only just completed. Same engine, same user interface, even the same RPG elements IIRC (only with different names). So I put Deus Ex down and never picked it up again.

But this new one looks like it has potential, and it's a prequel which hopefully will mean that no knowledge of the original story will be needed. I'll be keeping an eye on it. :yep:

It looks combat-centric. I hope that's not how the actual game turns out. I really liked minimizing casualties in DE1.

From Wikipedia:
[In DE:HR] using social skills, social augmentations, and stealth a player is able to play through the whole game killing only the bosses.

:)


I know it's a comment that attracts hate, but: I hope they didn't limit the PC version to a controller. Seems like a game that would benefit from the greater control a keyboard offers.

I'm tired of shooters that won't even let you lean around a corner, to just state an example.

It's a first-person game which switches to third-person when you go into cover, so I'm sure it'll use a mouse. As for leaning, I expect that will be built into the cover system, though you never know...

[Arclight]

Some impressions of the game: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/02/03/deus-ex-human-revolution-impressions/

Check the bottom of the article for some other relevant links.

[Arclight]

Repeat of what's been posted on RPS, something new at the top showing a bit of gameplay with hacking: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/tag/deus-ex-human-revolution/

[Spike88]

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/sarif-exterior-deus-ex/711971

[stabiz]

Looks totally lame. Generic and very consolish.

[Dowly]

Looks totally lame. Generic and very consolish.

This. :-?

[Spike88]

I hope you can turn off the horrible yellow glow. And I still haven't finished watching the trailer. Fiance's internet is being slow. It probably doesn't help that I'm watching Shin Chan on netflix.

[Arclight]

Yeah... losing interest as well. Too bright, moves too flashy, silly highlights.

Still have some hopes that the gameplay will actually be decent, along with a strong plot.

[Spike88]

After watching the video I'm still interested if the yellow glow can be turned off. If anything I'll judge it by reviews. Or a demo, wink wink nudge nudge square enix.

One thing that stood out about the demo was the ladies annoying voice. She sounds like she's talking to little kids.

Also "Let's do a better job of hiding the body". And then they put the body right behind a see through door >_>.


After the flop that was Final Fantasy 13(or was it 14? I've lost count), and little success with their other games, Square Enix really needs to make a hit with this one. Although that may be the problem in of itself, they're playing it safe to try and bring in more sales, which in turn will just drive away potential sales.

Edit: Also, hopefully overtime you can turn off the button prompts.

Edit2: Actually, now that I think about it, I think i read in Game informer that you can choose how much, or how little hud you have in the options.

[Spike88]

http://www.gametrailers.com/video/three-ways-deus-ex/712112
New trailer

[Arclight]

Ya that one rekindled some interest... I mean, if it has a strong story driving it and gives the freedom to go full-stealth, might just make it interesting.

Just not interesting enough for full price purchase. :hmmm:

[Spike88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmeqbB2cGfA

Older trailer.

[Spike88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SfPFM1_qPco
Awesome bit of advertisement.

[Platapus]

Don't bother with it. It was pretty horrible compared to DE1. :nope:

Very true. I really liked DE1 and thought it was one of the better FPS games out there. DE2 stynks.

I hope DE3 goes back to DE1 type of game. I had a lot of fun with DE1

[Arclight]

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/04/19/deaugmented-deus-ex-3-highlighting-optional/

The shimmery outline around key items and interactive objects in Deus Ex: Human Revolution caused a fair bit of consternation amongst Deus Ex fans the other month. Sure, it’s useful, but a big glowy yellow highlight around half the stuff in the world isn’t ideal for immersion, is it? It’s the old ‘loot glint’ argument all over again… Fortunately, the devs at Eidos Montreal appear to have listened to community feedback – you can now turn the bally thing off if you’re so inclined. Below: see what it looks like without glow-o-vision.

[mookiemookie]

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/04/19/deaugmented-deus-ex-3-highlighting-optional/

It's refreshing when a game company listens to their customers. :sunny:

[Arclight]

They seem quite sincere in their desire to deliver a proper Deus Ex. :yep:

[Spike88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WTwqe07VBoo&feature=grec_index

25 minutes of Deus Ex. It's older footage, but it shows the Hive.

[mookiemookie]

PC Specs don't look too demanding: (http://geek.pikimal.com/2011/05/03/deus-ex-human-revolution-pc-system-specs-detailed/)

Minimum Requirements:

OS: Windows XP, Windows Vista or Windows 7 with DirectX 9.0c
PROCESSOR: 2 GHz dual core
RAM: 1 GB RAM (Windows XP) / 2 GB (Windows Vista and Windows 7)
GRAPHICS: NVIDIA GeForce 8000 series or ATI Radeon HD 2000 series or better
REQUIRED DISC SPACE: 8.5 GB

Recommended Requirements:

OS: Windows 7
PROCESSOR: AMD Phenom II X4 or Intel Core 2 Quad or better
RAM: 2 GB
GRAPHICS: AMD Radeon HD 5850
REQUIRED DISC SPACE: 8.5 GB

[JU_88]

Pre-ordered, even if its slighly like the first game thats good enough for me :)

[onelifecrisis]

Urgh, I really don't like "live action" videogame trailers (I assume you guys have seen the one I'm talking about). Not sure why. But the game still looks like it might be good.

[Platapus]

I hope it is better than that trailer. I could only last about 5 minutes.

I got burned on DE2 so I think I will wait for some more reviews to come out.

Hope it is as good as the first one.

[mookiemookie]

The E3 trailer is out. Looks pretty awesome. I'll probably be suckered into preordering it. :shucks:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fF7rzl9N0-s&feature=player_embedded

[Spike88]

10 hours of the game have been leaked unto the internet. Apparently square enix and eidios are encouraning those who have played the leak to share any positivie reviews of it online. Which begs the question of whether or not this leak was accidental. Either way fans are going crazy for it, and the torrent is out there. Im not actually sure where discussing the torrent fits in subsim rules though, on one hand square and edios want people to try it(why not just release a demo?) on the other it's shareware.

[mookiemookie]

Ominous:

http://geek.pikimal.com/2011/06/13/crashing-deus-ex-human-revolution-in-a-hands-on-preview/

[Spike88]

Ominous:

http://geek.pikimal.com/2011/06/13/crashing-deus-ex-human-revolution-in-a-hands-on-preview/

When I got my hands on the title I have to say it's pretty good. The video of him dieing twice for stupid stuff his fault, not the games. And that level is rather linear, but the subsequent levels are a lot broader

Hell the Detroit area you are allowed to explore after the first mission of the game is reminiscent of the Hong Kong area from DE1. There are doors and apartments to enter that have nothing to do with the story, other than being a room to enter. There is one part where you have to disable a device in gang territory, there are 3 whole paths to choose from to get from point A to point B, and 2-3 methods of taking each path. I didn't even realize two of the paths were there until I stumbled upon them by accident.

A lot of the people who've tried the 10 hour preview demo have come away with good impressions.

My only complaint with the game is that the combat is rather hard(which isn't necessarily a bad thing) and that there is a forced boss battle(which I died on 5-6 times before finally being able to beat.

Hopefully Eidos releases a demo that shows off the Detroit area, along with the warehouse area shortly afterwords as this part of the game is what will get the most positive reviews.

[Arclight]

I must say I find it hard to take the complaints of someone who kills himself by jumping off a roof and running straight at 2 enemies seriously. :hmmm:

Guess we'll see what's what when the thing is released.

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http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/06/14/square-enix-talk-deus-ex-human-revolution/

[Arclight]

Yet another trailer: http://www.vg247.com/2011/08/08/new-deus-ex-human-revolution-trailer-released/

[Arclight]

Deus Ex: Human Revolution Is Region Locked (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/17/deus-ex-human-revolution-is-region-locked/)

Awww... well, no biggie I guess. Not going to have any effect on whether or not I'll buy it at any rate. :hmmm:

* Aaand a backtrack: DXHR No Longer Region Locked In Europe (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/18/dxhr-no-longer-region-locked-in-europe/)

Yay!

[Arclight]

Seems they didn't screw it up; Wot I Think: Deus Ex Human Revolution (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/22/70336/)

Excellent.

[mookiemookie]

Anybody playing this? How is it? Currently on vacation and away from my computer.

[Spike88]

Anybody playing this? How is it? Currently on vacation and away from my computer.

I have the PS3 version, but have yet to play it.

[Spike88]

Believe I spent about 6 hours on the game today and got to about the point that the "Beta/demo/leak" ends when I decided I'd much rather be a stealth/hacker than an assault role and have decided to restart the game. I can't really say it bums me that much to have to replay those 6 hours. :hmmm:

[FIREWALL]

Well I know now who I get my Reviews from. :D

As of lately I'm having trouble using my left hand to operate WASD and mapping Keypad and having mouse in left in even worse for using mouse Action.

That's why I'm going slow in SH5. :DL That's why the questions in SH5 and spend a lot of time Reading things there. And finding things maybe I can adapt and use. :yep:

I only have Crysis WarHead, Hitman, and Company of Hero's "Black Ops" ???

As my hobby is Sims, Subs, Flying and Raceing Only.

This is why I want to keep this Genre Small. :yep:

[Spike88]

I have three minor complaints.

First: Level design
The levels are fantastic, many different ways to get through them, areas you'll miss if you don't pay attention, etc. But some areas seemed poorly planned, noticably the apartments in Detroit. It feels odd that the only entrance into some apartments is through the fire escape, no ground entrances whatsoever. It just ruins the atmosphere, atleast blocked entrances would make more sense. Also one of the subwuest requires you to talk to a security guard of an apartment building, inside said building is only one apartment, belonging to another side quest participant. Atleast doors you can't enter would be nice.

Second and Third pertain to combat and stealth which are intermixed.

First of all combat is hard. Really hard, this is no Call of Duty. Gunfights are fun, but you'll realize quite quickly that you're outgunned. The only way you stand a chance is to take headshots, change your cover often or outright avoid gun battles. This isnt a bad thing but it feels like it's trying to force you into stealth. For a game about playing your way it seems like it forces down your throat that stealth is the best option. Stealth gives you the most xp and if you mix in hacking, the most background story. Now these aren't major problems and they don't ruin the game at all. So if you liked the first game I recommend this one.

[Arclight]

It's called tactics, and yes I'm pretty sure that's forced on you. ;)

[Spike88]

It's called tactics, and yes I'm pretty sure that's forced on you. ;)

Except for the fact you get more XP for not being detected and for not setting of an alarm.

[Arclight]

Hardly forcing your hand. But yes, more difficult so higher reward.

[Drewcifer]

Bottom line is this game is good. Maybe not Great, not ground breaking. But its a damn good game. I completely enjoy it, story, gameplay, etc. Its like a fallout/Mass Effect/Metal Gear hybrid, bastard child.

Its def up there with top games of the year... but I think we all know the best game of the year will probably end up being Skyrim.... since well duh.

That being said the only other title that will scratch this itch will the new Batman which I think will be better then Deus Ex... but that doesn't mean Deus Ex isn't probably in the top five of the year- at least console wise.

[Arclight]

Fine game indeed.

Any way to sell of store equipment? They dumped all kinds of crap on me at the start of first mission and inventory filled up not long after. Need to get rid of some stuff but just dumping it on the ground somewhere seems weird. :hmmm:

[seaniam81]

Deus Ex is good, very good. It wont blow your mind like the first one. It's way better then the second one. And I'm enjoying the story, and am doing a hybrid stealth/shoot them all approach. Lots of fun :yeah:

[Spike88]

Fine game indeed.

Any way to sell of store equipment? They dumped all kinds of crap on me at the start of first mission and inventory filled up not long after. Need to get rid of some stuff but just dumping it on the ground somewhere seems weird. :hmmm:


There is a weapons dealer in the gas station in Detroit, he will buy and sell to you. Minor economy system too, if you sell him a lot of the same thing, he'll pay less for it as you keep selling, not sure if this affects his selling prices though.

I restarted my character as a stealth hacker, and do have to admit it's more exhilarating. 0 kills to far, although I'll probably kill someone at some point.

[Drewcifer]

Yeah the gas station guy is the only store i've found so far... its hard to make it to the next quest sometimes too when you keep running into 'blue' sidequests... lol I get sidetracked bad in this game

[Spike88]

Yeah the gas station guy is the only store i've found so far... its hard to make it to the next quest sometimes too when you keep running into 'blue' sidequests... lol I get sidetracked bad in this game

If you save all the hostages in the factory level you'll get a side quest to meet the Manager and her husband in Detroit. Follow the side quest and you'll get a second dealer who sells at a reduced price. Also offers the silencer.

Anyone use the Icarus system yet? I think it's pretty awesome, although I don't think I can afford it on my stealth character.

[Arclight]

Ha, I got those hostages killed by just wandering around the office too long. :oops:

[Drewcifer]

If you save all the hostages in the factory level you'll get a side quest to meet the Manager and her husband in Detroit. Follow the side quest and you'll get a second dealer who sells at a reduced price. Also offers the silencer.

Anyone use the Icarus system yet? I think it's pretty awesome, although I don't think I can afford it on my stealth character.

Yeah I restarted my character, the first one I was just site seeing in the office looking for items and stuff and the hostages got killed. In my second character I went straight to the factory and got there before the hostages were killed so maybe I'll get this sidequest..

I really like this game and its different branches.. you can miss stuff so easily

[mookiemookie]

I'm really loving this game. There's a lot of echoes of the first one. Who else noticed Bob Page's voice in the intro? Also, the restroom humor is back. Ever notice that nine times out of ten, if you use a vent to sneak in to a building you end up in the women's restroom? And Pritchard chastises you if you go into the womens room in Sarif Industries.

My only nitpick is that in the cutscenes, the characters heads shimmy and shake around. They look like they have Parkinsons. I know they did it so that they would look natural, but they kind of overdid it.

[seaniam81]

I was doing some exploring and found another weapons dealer. It might be the same guy from the side quest the manager gives but I dont know because I was too slow and the bomb went off.

Anyways how to find the guy. He is in the apartment building right across from the basketball court you find the thugs in. You have to climb the fire escape, and go into the building threw a window. I think he is on the second floor from the top, but I might be wrong about that. I entered the building from the top window and then got lost, and then ran into the body guard.

[Arclight]

Ooh, rocker launcher, neat. Too bad I can't really take it along. :hmmm:

[Drewcifer]

theres alot of great weapons... but you can only use a couple.. stealth stun gun, tranq rifle, crossbow... whatever but in the end you can only really afford to take maybe two weapons along... or so I feel.

Because as you do missions you get a ton of stuff and fill up the inventory.

Haven't found that weapons dealer but I'll look for him.

[Arclight]

Oh hello Barret... wish I had that rocket launcher right about now. Best lethal thing I have to shoot him with is an upgraded pistol. :haha:

I'm in trouble, aren't I? :hmmm:

[mookiemookie]

Oh hello Barret... wish I had that rocket launcher right about now. Best lethal thing I have to shoot him with is an upgraded pistol. :haha:

I'm in trouble, aren't I? :hmmm:

I went left instead of right and was lucky enough that he kind of stayed where he was at instead of trying to run me down. It was plink and plunk from behind cover until he was dead. Every time I went to the right, he trudged right on over and made hamburger out of me.

All I had was a combat rifle that I used until it ran out of ammo and I finished him off with about 4 or 5 upgraded pistol shots.

[Arclight]

Picked up a few EMP grenades and a stash of frag mines. Think I'll try to get him mostly with that, pop in headshots when the EMP grenades hit him. That stun gun is supposed to be usefull against electronics as well, might have some impact on an aug. :hmmm:

Or just backtrack to a previous save and pick up something better. That's what I really love about this one: lots of options and choices. :yep:

[Spike88]

I was doing some exploring and found another weapons dealer. It might be the same guy from the side quest the manager gives but I dont know because I was too slow and the bomb went off.

Anyways how to find the guy. He is in the apartment building right across from the basketball court you find the thugs in. You have to climb the fire escape, and go into the building threw a window. I think he is on the second floor from the top, but I might be wrong about that. I entered the building from the top window and then got lost, and then ran into the body guard.

Yeah that's the second dealer, gives you discounts if you saved Thorpe. I'm surprised you guys got the hostages killed, in all 3 of my playthroughs of that level I always get to them on time. Even on the assault approach.

Ooh, rocker launcher, neat. Too bad I can't really take it along. :hmmm:

No jacking off with the Rocket launcher.

Speaking of hidden weapons there is a Sniper rifle on top of the gas station, although I leave it up to you to find out how to get there.

Picked up a few EMP grenades and a stash of frag mines. Think I'll try to get him mostly with that, pop in headshots when the EMP grenades hit him. That stun gun is supposed to be usefull against electronics as well, might have some impact on an aug. :hmmm:

Or just backtrack to a previous save and pick up something better. That's what I really love about this one: lots of options and choices. :yep:


I used 2 emps, and 2 concussion grenades to take him out. I think the P.E.Ps may also be a good tactic as the ammo for it seems to be scattered around the place. Stun him and get as many headshots as possible before he regains his composure and attacks with grenades/machine gun.

Just got to Heng-sha and man, is it huge.

[Arclight]

Yep, thar we go. Hit him with 3 EMPs, emptying as much ammo as possible before having to relocate. He lost track of me after that, with me behind a pillar on one side and him stumbling around the other side of the hall. So I emptied some more ammo on him, and when he started coming my way I tossed a frag mine at his feet. That finished him nicely. :yep:

Pretty much emptied the pistol though, bit more then a mag left, down from a full box.

[Drewcifer]

I showed up with no lethal weapons... used the stun gun, and all the barrels of gas, and explosives... plus the machine pistol from the room on the left. lol.

[Spike88]

If you look on top of the containers in the room you fought barret in, you'll find a credit chip worth 800.

[Egan]

Can't seem to find a straight answer anywhere to this one: Is it Steamworks only or is there a stand alone version available?

[Drewcifer]

Couldn't tell you I downloaded my version off from steam. But Like the Total War Series... and I believe now Bethseda is doing it with Skyrim... even if you buy the boxed version its a 'steam' game.

[seaniam81]

I'm loving my upgraded 10mm pistol. I just might keep it with me the whole game. I've got a damage mod, silencer and laser sight. It's awesome! And thanks for the tip where the sniper rifle is. I've been looking all over since whats her name told me about it. The tip was well worth the 1k I spent.

[Egan]

Couldn't tell you I downloaded my version off from steam. But Like the Total War Series... and I believe now Bethseda is doing it with Skyrim... even if you buy the boxed version its a 'steam' game.

Yeah, that and everything else, seems like. Cheers anyway.

[Drewcifer]

I'm going non-lethal so I miss out on some of the fun weapons this time around... next time I'll check out that upgraded pistol. The sniper rifle I got.. just because spike tempted me to find it, I love how you can get up to that roof in a few clever ways... really makes the game that much more replayable and fun.

[JU_88]

Ive loving this game - just as loved DE1 11 years ago, Im just up to fighting barret.

One thing bugging me, in all my travels I have yet to encounter a silencer weapons upgrade, I desperately want one for my 9mm pistol. Ive upgraded it in just about every other way possible.
Never did find that weapons dealer in Detroit niether :(, (the one mentioned by the guy in the downtown apartments after you saved his wife in the first mission)
Could not find him anywhere...

Ha, I got those hostages killed by just wandering around the office too long. :oops:

Almost happened to me too, i shot at the device in a panic, and hey it worked :)

[seaniam81]

Ok in Detroit the weapons dealers are in the gas station by the LIMB Clinic. And a guy in the apartment building across from the basket ball courts. You'll know you found the right building because you can only enter via windows on the fire escape.

[Drewcifer]

Yeah there is three people standing by a fire barrel complaining about cops, if you click on one of them he says "You know what pisses me off I got all this heat from the cops and there is a illegal weapons dealer living in this building!" or some such remark close it, go up the fire escape and in the window.

On a sidenote are the Stun Gun, the Peps and the Tranq Rifle the only non-lethal weapons in the game? I mean I'm going completely nonlethal so I want to make sure I have all my toys.

[JU_88]

Didn't like the tranq rifle, traded it in for credits so I buy some praxis.
Problem I'm having is that hostiles are usually in groups or pairs, so it is not possible to make non leathal attacks without raising the alarm. You either evade them completely or masacre them all.
E.g Detroit police station, I did not touch a soul, in contrast fir derelict row I killed everyone.
Agree there should be more non- lethal weapons, was is this 'peps' by the way?

[Arclight]

It's a non-lethal rifle. Haven't tried it, but think it's supposed to stun and knock down targets. Kind of like a non-lethal revolver with the explosive rounds. There's one in the Detroit precinct armory, and a few scattered through locations once the story progresses.

Got an inventory full of stuff but I barely use any of it. Taking someone out is done with takedowns. If there's 2 close to each other, I stun one and do a takedown on the other. Consoles are simply hacked, got over 30 of both viral types. At least 3 of each grenade made into mines. I'm consuming powerbars and painkillers just to make room in the inventory. etc

Had 1 "firefight" in the game, with the 4 bangers in the convention center. Even then I only used 2 stun rounds and did 2 takedowns.

[Tribesman]

@Egan

Can't seem to find a straight answer anywhere to this one: Is it Steamworks only or is there a stand alone version available?

Try HMV, it appears cheaper than Steam too.
Amazon is even cheaper but depending on source you might get stung for delivery whereas HMV is free delivery(if there isn't one round the corner in every town)

[NeonSamurai]

Probably still requires steam though.

[Arclight]

Oh sorry; it does. Got the disc, benelux normal edition comes with the extra content of the augmented edition. Still requires Steam.

[Tribesman]

Ah, I thought he meant as a disc not a download.

[Arclight]

Well it's still good advice though. If the disc offers perks or is cheaper, why not go with that?


btw, anyone else figured out that you can capture the "admin" during a hack and get all the stuff from data stores without actually having to capture them? Not always possible, but often quite handy when you can. :know:

[Spike88]

P.E.P.s is a single shot burst weapon, stuns everyone in the blast radius, great for groups.

As for the silencer, the second gun dealer sells it.

[Spike88]

Well it's still good advice though. If the disc offers perks or is cheaper, why not go with that?


btw, anyone else figured out that you can capture the "admin" during a hack and get all the stuff from data stores without actually having to capture them? Not always possible, but often quite handy when you can. :know:

Didnt know you got all the stores, but I did realize I could do it in Heng-sha.

[Dowly]

Would've liked to have more interaction with the world around you, like you
can only carry certain objects instead of everything you see. Makes some of
the "puzzles" too easy this way, f.e. a corridor with mines in it.. hmm.. I should
probably use those conviently placed barrels here. :O:

Also, way too much hacking for my taste, what happened to lockpicking? :06:
DE1 saw the need for it and that takes place in 2052, HR's story is taking
place in 2027 (IIRC). One would think it'd be the other way around.

That's about all the things that bug me in it. Everything else is solid DE, looks
good, runs well, controls are easy, the augs are nice and varied and of course,
not just one way to do things.

9/10 from me. :yep:

[Egan]

Ah, I thought he meant as a disc not a download.

Nah, I'm cool with downloads. It's Steamworks I have a problem with. Nevermind, I'll save the thirty quid and use it to make my own Deus Ex game out of plasticine men. Squishy blue arms for augmentations, anyone?

[Arclight]

... , f.e. a corridor with mines in it.. hmm.. I should
probably use those conviently placed barrels here. :O:
Or, you know, grab them and sell them off. :lol:

Seriously, I've got so much credits I haven't got the fogiest what to spend them on. Not done with it yet, but I bet I'm not going to run out at any rate. Would actually have liked it if there was more need to really decide what and what not to buy.

Lockpicking... good idea, but they just replaced all the locks with electronic ones. Guess it boils down to the same thing, apart from not having lockpicking-related tools and augments. It's a bit artificial, but I like that there's so much to hack. Definetly keeps the explorers busy.

[Dowly]

BTW, is it possible to kill "bosses" with non-lethal weapons? Stopped trying
after a few deaths against Barrett and whipped out the sniper rifle. :hmmm:

Oh and there's 2 credit chips in the room, in both alcoves, 700 & 800. :up:

[Arclight]

Dunno, haven't tried. :hmmm:

Do know it doesn't matter though: killing them doesn't count towards getting through the game without kills.


Actually:

Despite only using stuns, EMPs and tranqs on him, I was still treated to a cutscene of a man covered in bullet wounds and blood, gasping his last words as he died.
http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/08/22/review-deus-ex-human-revolution/

That would be why I haven't even tried.

[Dowly]

Yeah, figured it wouldn't matter. Just asking as I am mostly just carrying non-lethal
weapons with me.

[Arclight]

Carrying a pistol specifically for these guys. And now a revolver... I'm just a sucker for exploding rounds.

[Drewcifer]

Didn't like the tranq rifle, traded it in for credits so I buy some praxis.
Problem I'm having is that hostiles are usually in groups or pairs, so it is not possible to make non leathal attacks without raising the alarm. You either evade them completely or masacre them all.
E.g Detroit police station, I did not touch a soul, in contrast fir derelict row I killed everyone.
Agree there should be more non- lethal weapons, was is this 'peps' by the way?

Um The tranq is an instant man down with a head shot... not sure what else you expected out of it?

I don't partake on a single Op without my stun, my Tranq, and my peps... each one has a crucial role in the stealth/non-lethal build.

Groups of break up 90% of the time... if your going for a stealth non-lethal build you have to have patience simple as that. Now SOMETIMES the group can't be avoided... ie: having to storm a tiny apartment with two in the bedroom three in the living room. In that case Conccusion grenade, Take down, Stun Gun, Take Down. Wall for cover, Energy bar, Door opens two guys come out of bedroom, Take Down, Stun Gun.

Feel free to rinse and repeat..

Besides with the RPG elements of the game you can boost your problem areas quickly enough... if your having trouble with multiple hostiles... level up the multi takedowns.

[seaniam81]

Did everybody get their Combat Rifle?

[Arclight]

Ha? Found 2 in the apartment, sold 'm off. :lol:
Groups of break up 90% of the time... if your going for a stealth non-lethal build you have to have patience simple as that. Now SOMETIMES the group can't be avoided... ie: having to storm a tiny apartment with two in the bedroom three in the living room. In that case Conccusion grenade, Take down, Stun Gun, Take Down. Wall for cover, Energy bar, Door opens two guys come out of bedroom, Take Down, Stun Gun.
Or just use a gas grenade, apartment cleared in 1 throw. I've never come across a situation that can't be either bypassed or solved with a dual-takedown/takedown+stun yet though. Never used the PEPS either, tranq rifle only past halfway point of the game. Purely single takedowns and stun-gunning before that.


Fully upgraded pistol is nuts, chops them bosses down to size rather quickly.

* oh right, mystery code bits went up last night: http://www.vg247.com/2011/08/30/deus-ex-human-revolution-offers-coded-puzzle/

[Dowly]

I've switched to takedowns & evasion completely (and a bit of cloak when
absolutely needed). Can't hit crap with the tranq rifle, gonna sell it the next
time I see a merchant. :hmmm:

[mookiemookie]

To hell with the second boss (not the robots). I got so damn frustrated last night.

Boss fights in this game suck. I love everything else about it though.

[Dowly]

As if the game couldn't get any more badass, I just went 90% through a
level carrying a turret set to target enemies.

*BEEP BEEP BEEP BABABABABABABABABAB*

"Hasta la vista, baby"

:rotfl2:

[JU_88]

Would've liked to have more interaction with the world around you, like you
can only carry certain objects instead of everything you see. Makes some of
the "puzzles" too easy this way, f.e. a corridor with mines in it.. hmm.. I should
probably use those conviently placed barrels here. :O:

Also, way too much hacking for my taste, what happened to lockpicking? :06:
DE1 saw the need for it and that takes place in 2052, HR's story is taking
place in 2027 (IIRC). One would think it'd be the other way around.

That's about all the things that bug me in it. Everything else is solid DE, looks
good, runs well, controls are easy, the augs are nice and varied and of course,
not just one way to do things.

9/10 from me. :yep:

Totally agree with you Dowly,
Very true about lock picking - and yes i cant thow as much stuff around as I could in DE1 :( - for me that is probably the single biggest let down of DEHE, it seems to have lost DE's sense of humour. there were some moments in DE 1 that had me in stiches, like chatting to a guy in the Underworld Taven while inexplicably standing on his table holding a pot plant.
Or in the Lobby of UNATCO, rapidly switching the light on and off like child to annoy the two men in black. "Cease this activity" they would shout :)

I don't like that I cant play the Prankster with Adam Jenson to the same extent that I could with JC Denton. Winding up the NPCs to test their patience to the limit was one of the things that made the Deus Ex sandbox world a joy to play with.

Other minor gripes, I agree with that masses that the boss fights are outdated and stupid, but they only take up 0.001% of the game, so its not a big deal.
Lasty,. It would be real nice to get the occassional pay cheque from Sarif industries by way of credits (im starting to think I work for free for them)
And plus it would save me robbing every person, building and storage facility in sight.
ive totally cleaned out the city hubs of everything that isnt attached to the ground.
Deus Ex: Pikey Revolution anyone?

[JU_88]

BTW, is it possible to kill "bosses" with non-lethal weapons? Stopped trying
after a few deaths against Barrett and whipped out the sniper rifle. :hmmm:

Oh and there's 2 credit chips in the room, in both alcoves, 700 & 800. :up:

At begining of the FEMA compound there is a Rocket launcher in a hidden room to the left of the elevator, (accessed though a vent)
I used this to blow away Barrett, then flogged it to the arms dealer back in Detroit for a whopping 2k. And since I already owned one, I also sold him the sniper rifle that sits ont he roof of his fine establishment for a further 1500. (just made sure I dropped my orginal one first, so I didnt pick up the second rifle as 'Ammo only')
Anyway, 3500k .....Result :up: went straight over to LIMB to get me some praxis.

[Dowly]

there were some moments in DE 1 that had me in stiches, like chatting to a guy in the Underworld Taven while inexplicably standing on his table holding a pot plant.
Or in the Lobby of UNATCO, rapidly switching the light on and off like child to annoy the two men in black. "Cease this activity" they would shout :)

Haha, I remember doing all kinds of stuff like that just because I could. :haha:

Which reminds me: Deus Ex: The Recut :O:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vxi7JRJrod4

[JU_88]

Ha yeah that re-cut is awesome, :woot:
But without doubt my Finest Deus Ex comedy moment - without the 'spawn mass' cheat
Happened in Unatco HQ, I think I threw a chair at Shanon (the theiving cow who gets upset at JC for entering the ladies toilet)
In retaliation she came at me a with a prod, but a Unatco Trooper got in the way at the last minute so she prodded him in error. :woot:

Immediately every Soldier in the building came running to our location, (about a dozen of them) where they proceeded to crowd around shanon in a circle all stabbing at her with their combat knives!
The best part? Shannon was a story essential character so she could not be killed!
So basically she is there getting stabbed over and over by ten guys for eternity... those that could not reach her were patiently queing up to wait for their turn :rotfl2:
It was like that hysterical woman scene in the 70's disaster spoof 'Airplane'

[Dowly]

LMAO! :rotfl2:

[Drewcifer]

Ha? Found 2 in the apartment, sold 'm off. :lol:

Or just use a gas grenade, apartment cleared in 1 throw. I've never come across a situation that can't be either bypassed or solved with a dual-takedown/takedown+stun yet though. Never used the PEPS either, tranq rifle only past halfway point of the game. Purely single takedowns and stun-gunning before that.


Fully upgraded pistol is nuts, chops them bosses down to size rather quickly.

* oh right, mystery code bits went up last night: http://www.vg247.com/2011/08/30/deus-ex-human-revolution-offers-coded-puzzle/

Problem is you don't get your hands on gas grenades til the second hub, so essentially the takedown and stun gun will be your friend!

[Dowly]

Finally got to the 2nd boss, what a bitch. :DL

Got the hang of it after 2 tries, she was alot like Vamp in Metal Gear Solid... err.. 2? :hmmm:



*DONT READ IF YOU DONT WANT TO KNOW HOW I BEAT HER*






I wasn't packing any heavy weaponry, stun gun, 10mm and the revolver, but
I just kept to the center of the room and dodged her special attacks using the
smaller walls (bordering the center of the room). After she ran to recharge,
I followed and shot her with the stun gun, which paralyzed her for 2-3 seconds.
Well enough time to land some hits. After awhile, one of the big panels (forgot
what they were already, the ones that look fancy and electric. :O:) starts
to glow red and makea humming noise. You just have to lure her to make
a special attack near the panel and it electrifies the floor and kills her.
Of course, you'll be damaged too, so make sure you have enough HP. Think
I went from 100 to 35-45. Oh and don't try takedowns on her, you lose.





***ENDE***

[Drewcifer]

Unless you get the dermal armor upgrade against electricity.. then you just stand there while she cooks over an open fire. :up:

[Arclight]

Eh? I just stood in the center and moved back when she lunged for a Typhoon strike. Pump a few shots in her while she stands there. Did that a few times and she died. Don't think you need anything fancy for any of them, I really simply just shoot them and they die. :hmmm:

[Dowly]

Seems like the playerbase cracked the ARG, #1 post has all the steps they took to get to the end. Fancy thinking from EIDOS. :O:
http://forums.eidosgames.com/showthread.php?t=120594

[Arclight]

Or, more substantially: http://www.vg247.com/2011/08/31/source-deus-ex-human-revolution-puzzle-points-to-new-dlc/

[JU_88]

Finally got to the 2nd boss, what a bitch. :DL

Got the hang of it after 2 tries, she was alot like Vamp in Metal Gear Solid... err.. 2? :hmmm:

I got lucky on my second attempt, Shot her with PEP during one of her charging attacks, and she never recovered from the stun, she got stuck (bug i guess) - so i casually emptied 2 clips from my combat rifle into her head and that was that.
Great! I thought, now I can get on with the proper game :yeah:
(Boss fights are not my thing)

[danlisa]

Can't hit crap with the tranq rifle, gonna sell it the next
time I see a merchant. :hmmm:

Can't remember where I found it but there a weapon upgrade for the Tranq rifle which gives you aiming cross hairs to ensure 100% hits. ;) Activation Icon appears above Primary & Secondary weapons slots on the main UI.

Might have bought it from the dealer in Detroit (apartment bloke).

Loving the game though.

Edit - Oh and the Bosses are the only AI you HAVE to kill. Also, if you're playing a No Kill playthrough, be warned that sometime a Tranq will kill an AI. Apparently this 'simulates' heart conditions in AI players. LOL! Bug more like. Just check the bodies for Zzzz or a Skull.

[Dowly]

Can't remember where I found it but there a weapon upgrade for the Tranq rifle which gives you aiming cross hairs to ensure 100% hits. ;) Activation Icon appears above Primary & Secondary weapons slots on the main UI.

Might have bought it from the dealer in Detroit (apartment bloke).

Yup, found it from somewhere, leading targeting system or something like that.
Still, takedowns & Stun is far more effective imho. :yep:


http://i1183.photobucket.com/albums/x462/Dowly/hadntseenhim.jpg
Nevermind me, just passing through!

[Gato76]

Just finished,game of the year 4 me :rock:The boss fights r not that hard if u have the typhoon aug :D

[Drewcifer]

The boss fights aren't that hard without Typhoon either, Barret Stun gun explosive barrel. He never touched me. Mantis Dermal Armor, I just stood by the power generator let her hit me and she died. (electricity can't hurt you with the dermal upgrade.)

[Gato76]

The boss fights aren't that hard without Typhoon either, Barret Stun gun explosive barrel. He never touched me. Mantis Dermal Armor, I just stood by the power generator let her hit me and she died. (electricity can't hurt you with the dermal upgrade.)
I play the whole game without the armor augmentation,and Barret was a royal PITA,took me a long time to win that fight,i was surprise how easy the second boss fight was when using the typhoon

[Dowly]

For the nostalgia's sake, this week Yahtzee took a look back to Deus Ex 1:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/4093-Deus-Ex


And from TotalBiscuit/Cynical Brit comes an hour long review of DEHR (may contain spoilers, haven't watched it yet);
WTF is Deus Ex: Human Revolution
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7BpLv4GSm8k

EDIT: ^ No main story spoilers.

[Drewcifer]

I play the whole game without the armor augmentation,and Barret was a royal PITA,took me a long time to win that fight,i was surprise how easy the second boss fight was when using the typhoon

Barret has so much cover though... and all he does is toss nades, and use his gun. The fastest way to kill him. Opening of the fight I hit him with stun gun, ran picked up gas tank threw it at him, turned grabbed explosive barrel threw it at him. Ran to other side of area. Hid behind cover waited for him to go into his nade tossing act.. waited till he got close, hit him with stun and repeated the barrel trick.

He never touched, never even threw a nade NEAR me. He had no idea where I was and just wandered around lost until that second explosive barrel hit him and ended his life.

[Dowly]

Just finished it, great game. :up:






***SPOILER WARNING***





I chose the blow the station ending, does the other ending answer more
questions? Like the side mission where you meet the old woman who adopted
you (or something like that). It seemed like a pretty big thing, yet I never
heard from her again. :06:




***END OF SPOILER***

[Arclight]

Blew it up as well, let them figure it out on their own.

[JU_88]

The endings have been getting abit of flak for being too vague and not really providing enough closure for HR's big storyline. (basically the endings are on par with those of the first Deus Ex.... a bit crap)
Another little gripe for them note down along with Boss fights I guess.

Aparently Human revolution has sold more copied in two days, than DE2: Invisible war did in its entire life time. (but that game had stuff all marketing) lol
Its fair to say that it has been a very successful 'franchise reboot' for Eidos @ Square Enix, there is bound to be a sequel or two after this, weather they can continue match or better Human Revolutions depth and quality remains to be seen.

**SPOILER-ISH Alert!

@Dowly, I chose to send the word out and not blow up the compound.
To answer your question, No - the ending was all about the effects on Mankind in general, nothing specific about what happens to Adam or anyone else in the game.

**END SPOILER-ISH Alert!

[Dowly]

@JU88 rgr that

So, basicly what I read in a review is true: You can kill every single killable
character and be as douche as you want and it doesn't matter. There's only 1
choice that really affects anything in the game. That kinda sucks. :-?


Oh BTW JU88, if you're planning to go back to Deus Ex, the "New Vision" mod was
just released for it.
http://www.moddb.com/mods/deus-ex-new-vision

:up:

EDIT: Adam Jensen speed drawing by Zooc (contains info on Jensen's background, so SPOILER WARNING):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=81dkULYE0dM

He got some pretty good drawing vids on his channel, so check them out too.

[mookiemookie]

Just finished it as well. Did everyone stay for the little easter egg after the credits?

[Arclight]

Of course, always let the credits run through the first time. :yep:

Used to be fairly common. Nowadays a lot of games just let the credits loop indefinetly. :-?

[Dowly]

Yahtzee:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/4137-Deus-Ex-Human-Revolution

[JU_88]

Yahtzee:
http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/zero-punctuation/4137-Deus-Ex-Human-Revolution

He is spot on as usual :up:
I must try some vending machine hurling when I get bored of SFIV AE.

[Spike88]

http://www.gametrailers.com/news/deus-ex-hr-getting-missing/3837

[mookiemookie]

http://i.imgur.com/s6noX.jpg

[Spike88]

http://i.imgur.com/s6noX.jpg

:haha: I did.

[Arclight]

Screenies and a trailer: On A Boat: Deus Ex DLC Screens & Trailer (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/09/08/on-a-boat-deus-ex-dlc-screens-trailer/)

Not that I don't feel like I got my money's worth already, but this should be free to owners of the game.

Get on boat -> wake up 6 months later, now DLC to plug that hole... Should have been in there.

[Falkirion]

This is why I enjoyed Arkham Asylum, I didn't have to pay for the DLC darn it. Rocksteady gave me a great game, and then gave me free content the way it should be.

Not that I mind paying for add ons. I'm missing 2 add ons from Mass effect 2 but I forked out for Kasumi and I'm glad I did. That was a very enjoyable extra

[NeonSamurai]

I have to say I am getting rather fed up with the concept of DLC, and how the industry is using this to nickle and dime us as much as possible.

For one thing, most of this content is already either done (or cut out of) the final game before it even ships. In some cases it is so blatant that they did this, were you get a half complete game that you then have to buy the rest of the little bits jut to get a finished game.

Frankly I agree with Yahtzee about cutting their hands off and ransoming the hands back to them.

[Spike88]

I have to say I am getting rather fed up with the concept of DLC, and how the industry is using this to nickle and dime us as much as possible.

For one thing, most of this content is already either done (or cut out of) the final game before it even ships. In some cases it is so blatant that they did this, were you get a half complete game that you then have to buy the rest of the little bits jut to get a finished game.

Frankly I agree with Yahtzee about cutting their hands off and ransoming the hands back to them.


I can see this being true with DLC that just adds more weapons and maps, especially when it's mentioned before actual release.

But I saw someones comment on this very DLC that brought up an interesting point.

In the beginning when a game is being developed the whole team is working on it. As it gets closer to release only the testers are working on it to try catch any bugs, this leaves the story writers and modelers with plenty of time on their hands. The heads in corporate see this as the perfect time to create DLC that wasn't originally scheduled. Sure it could be free, but not much is free anymore.

Yeah some games are ridiculous in the fact that they cut portions out just to include it as DLC, but some games legitimately have a reason(time constraints, money constraints, etc) to cut stuff and then turn it into DLC.

I'm more likely to buy DLC like this than Horse armor or 15$ map packs.

[JU_88]

I have to say I am getting rather fed up with the concept of DLC, and how the industry is using this to nickle and dime us as much as possible.

For one thing, most of this content is already either done (or cut out of) the final game before it even ships. In some cases it is so blatant that they did this, were you get a half complete game that you then have to buy the rest of the little bits jut to get a finished game.

Frankly I agree with Yahtzee about cutting their hands off and ransoming the hands back to them.


Well I dont agree entirely and i think even the mighty Yahtzee contradicted him self on this one. I'm not saying I like DLC, but rather - it is a necessary evil for the games industry today.

As Yahzee highlighted in his Deus ex HR review, games development is NOT like it was 10 years ago, the production costs have sored beyond belief and people now expect four times the level of detail in terms of visuals & physics alone (or shiney pixels as Yahtzee puts it)

But heres the kicker, games still sell at about the same price they did 10 years ago and sell in similar numbers too! (Funny how this fact always tends to get overlooked by grumpy gamers)
Now when you consider all that, something has got to give, in this case games become shorter or have less content & depth.
That, unfortunatley is what often gets compromised, because shiney graphics make good first impressions, but those other gameplay aspects can only be discovered mutch later after someone has already purchased the game.
And when that happens the harcore gaming crowd are up in arms - naturally.

So yes while some DLC is just overpriced fluff. in many other cases DLC is often the only viable option to complete an ambitious game like Deux EX: HR and truley give the fans everything they want.

Alot of gamers seem to be stuck with this old fashioned mentality of "well back in 2000 i could get the 98% perfect game/sim or whatever right out of the box, why should i pay extra for them to 'finish' the game?"
The Short answer is; we are not in 2000 anymore, things have changed.
And it raises the question; are those 10 year old expections really still valid in 2011, when the price of games has remained static?.

Maybe we just want our cake and eat it! Because the way I see it, its either the DLC route or a significant price hike in games overall, now the beauty of the former is that it is not manditory, You don't HAVE to pay for it if you don't want to.

My only REAL complaint with DLC, is that it is often a tad overpriced for what you get! And yes, I do agree it is a bit rum, if the content was completed during the intial development period- then cut out or 'locked'.
The concept of DLC is good! but it does need some balancing out over what DLC is and isnt acceptable for the price tag. Some kind of regulation is needed, thats all.

[NeonSamurai]

Well I dont agree entirely and i think even the mighty Yahtzee contradicted him self on this one. I'm not saying I like DLC, but rather - it is a necessary evil for the games industry today.

As Yahzee highlighted in his Deus ex HR review, games development is NOT like it was 10 years ago, the production costs have sored beyond belief and people now expect four times the level of detail in terms of visuals & physics alone (or shiney pixels as Yahtzee puts it)

But heres the kicker, games still sell at about the same price they did 10 years ago and sell in similar numbers too! (Funny how this fact always tends to get overlooked by grumpy gamers)
Now when you consider all that, something has got to give, in this case games become shorter or have less content & depth.
That, unfortunatley is what often gets compromised, because shiney graphics make good first impressions, but those other gameplay aspects can only be discovered mutch later after someone has already purchased the game.
And when that happens the harcore gaming crowd are up in arms - naturally.

So yes while some DLC is just overpriced fluff. in many other cases DLC is often the only viable option to complete an ambitious game like Deux EX: HR and truley give the fans everything they want.

Alot of gamers seem to be stuck with this old fashioned mentality of "well back in 2000 i could get the 98% perfect game/sim or whatever right out of the box, why should i pay extra for them to 'finish' the game?"
The Short answer is; we are not in 2000 anymore, things have changed.
And it raises the question; are those 10 year old expections really still valid in 2011, when the price of games has remained static?.

Maybe we just want our cake and eat it! Because the way I see it, its either the DLC route or a significant price hike in games overall, now the beauty of the former is that it is not manditory, You don't HAVE to pay for it if you don't want to.

My only REAL complaint with DLC, is that it is often a tad overpriced for what you get! And yes, I do agree it is a bit rum, if the content was completed during the intial development period- then cut out or 'locked'.
The concept of DLC is good! but it does need some balancing out over what DLC is and isnt acceptable for the price tag. Some kind of regulation is needed, thats all.

He did cover though how development teams get around that problem. Games are significantly less complex, deep, and long. Also although graphics are more fancy, it has not increased the workload as much as you seem to suggest. There is lots of technology used that can help generate the stuff needed and speed up the process.

Furthermore a lot of publishers/developers are making a lot more money by offering the games online for sale, as they don't have to pay all the publishing/printing costs, and all the associated costs of selling a game in a box (shipping, handling, storage, shelf space, store costs, duties, etc.).

So frankly I think your core argument is flawed. As for DLC I think most of it is overpriced compared to the content you get with the game, and I think it is especially insidious when they trim off content that was finished, just to ransom it to you piece by piece. Plus, during the time period between gold and release, they should not be working on DLC, they should be working on the patch(es) that are going to fix all the massive bugs that most games ship with.

[JU_88]

He did cover though how development teams get around that problem. Games are significantly less complex, deep, and long. Also although graphics are more fancy, it has not increased the workload as much as you seem to suggest. There is lots of technology used that can help generate the stuff needed and speed up the process.

Assuming you are correct, how do you explain that the average development cost of a game has jumped from $1-3m in 2000 to $28m for 2011? (excluding marketing costs) yet the game is still in the region of $50 and is 30% shorter/unfinished?
By the way we should also remember that the average time period of a games development cycle hasn't increased either.

I think you may have misenterprited Yahtzee on this, while games are perhaps less complex from a gameplay standpoint (as he said), They are with out doubt a hell of ALOT more complex from technical one.
I dread to think how many more lines of code DX:HR needed over DX1.
And More code = more bugs, sounds familiar no?

Also as 3d artist myself, can I ask you, do you know how long it takes to create the detailed environments of modern games?
The difference time it take to build, rig, animate and texture a Deus Ex 1 character and a Deus EX HR character is not a small one.
And I can assure you there is no way to 'magically' generate all these extra details either, the principles of 3d modelling hasn't changed dramatically over the last decade, you still have to hand craft 3d models, the same you would hand craft a sculpture from clay. 'Time' is always the 3d artists worst enemy :D
And of course 3d Assets are just the tip of the iceberg....

Furthermore a lot of publishers/developers are making a lot more money by offering the games online for sale, as they don't have to pay all the publishing/printing costs, and all the associated costs of selling a game in a box (shipping, handling, storage, shelf space, store costs, duties, etc.).

That is true, developers do retain a much larger percentage of the profit from each sale thanks to digital sales. (I admit i didnt consider this before)
Publishers still take a huge slice though -unless its developed by the same company.

[mookiemookie]

I realized something. Just like Deus Ex, the entirety of Human Revolution takes place at night.

[JU_88]

I realized something. Just like Deus Ex, the entirety of Human Revolution takes place at night.

Yup Invisible war did too! - then again no one brings it up when discussing Deus Ex, (perhaps it should have been called 'invisible game')
Maybe in the Human Revolution DLC we will find out who perminatly blocked out the sun.

[Stealhead]

I just started playing Human Revolution the other day so far I like this game alot
and it runs pretty well on my lower end machine.I thought it was going to really put a work load on my GPU but it has not I do not have to increase my fan speed up very much to keep it cool. Compare that to any of the STALKER games and I have to run the fan at high speeds just to keep it cool enough.

My only dislike so far is how everything is highlighted in yellow like doors and air ducts that sort of bugs me it makes things to easy to find.

[Arclight]

Can turn that off, check the gameplay options iirc.

[mookiemookie]

They've added advertising to the loading screens. :damn:

http://i1-news.softpedia-static.com/images/news2/Deus-Ex-Human-Revolution-Now-Displays-Star-Wars-Blu-Ray-Ads-While-Loading-2.jpg

"I never asked for this..."

[mookiemookie]

Someone's released a mod that removes the "black and gold" filter for the visuals. Looks very pretty!

http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/09/22/deus-ex-human-revolution-mod-augments-visuals-lighting-improved-fist-chisels-shinier/

[Arclight]

Strip half the atmosphere along with it. :hmmm:

[onelifecrisis]

SPOILERS

Okay, what the **** happened to the third act? Did they run out of money? Did they outsource it? Did the writers all die in a tragic skydiving trip? What the hell?

The first two thirds of the game build up this whole anticipation of Adam re-uniting with Megan, finding out about his DNA being used, finding out who the conspirators are and what their goal is and what Sarif knows and doesn't know, and how Darrow and Taggart and that TYM CEO are involved...

...and then Act 3 turns up and all of that goes out the window. Adam doesn't bat an eyelid when he learns that his DNA has been used, Megan says a dozen words then sends him off to Panchyplace and jumps in a chopper, to which Adam just says "we still need to talk" (they never do). Adam then briefly sees TYM CEO girl before jumping into a rocket that appears to have been designed just for the purpose of getting one person to the antarctic very quickly. Once there he finds Darrow has gone mad and he has to fight his way through zombies to get to... TYM CEO girl!? I guess she had a rocket too? She plugs herself into a machine so that she can do... something... Jensen kills the machine and her, then meets... Eliza!? WTF? Then you make a completely inconsequential choice and the game ends.

WHAT. THE. ****?

So what was the conspiracy? What were the illuminati trying to do? Was Darrow one of them? Did he go rogue? Was TYM girl in on it? Was Megan? That last one was a joke... I think.

It's annoying when a story gets you interested then ****s on your face.

Edit:
And about Eliza...
Was she built by the illuminati? If so, why did she help Jensen? And why did she then make up news about Sarif Industries which caused riots? She did make that up, right? Or did the illuminati order her to broadcast that stuff? And either way, what the hell was the point?

[mookiemookie]

So what was the conspiracy? What were the illuminati trying to do? Was Darrow one of them? Did he go rogue? Was TYM girl in on it? Was Megan? That last one was a joke... I think.This should help:

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2011/9/28/deugraphic5.jpg

I saw Eliza as an Illuminati prototype to Helios/Icarus

[onelifecrisis]

This should help:

http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2011/9/28/deugraphic5.jpg

I saw Eliza as an Illuminati prototype to Helios/Icarus

Cool, thanks. But...

Sarif's refusal to cooperate triggers the beginnings of the conspiracy, meant to end with TYM taking control of Sarif Industries.

Which sorta makes sense, but then...

The Illuminati also attack the very idea of augmentation through Picus TV.

But TYM is an augmentation company. They're kinda shooting themselves in the foot aren't they?

[onelifecrisis]

And while I'm still sort of in rant mode...

Is it just me or are the endings all crap? Your options are:
1) Convince the world to go back to walking around wearing just a fig leaf (dumb).
2) Convince the world that Taggart is an arse (I'm really not sure what this is meant to achieve).
3) Commit suicide so nobody finds out anything and the Illuminati carry on with business as usual. Yeah, really.

I gather there is a fourth option if you can be bothered to find Taggart at the end, but I didn't, and somehow I have the strong feeling that I'm not missing much.

Why wasn't this an option?

5) Tell Eliza to tell the world that she's been bull****ting them for years.

[Arclight]

Hands On: DXHR: The Missing Link (http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/10/14/hands-on-dxhr-the-missing-link/)

I am not sure I want to say much more, because I’ll just end up walking all over this fragment of game. So two observations to close: there’s an attempt to address the boss battle issue toward the end of this, with the player able to use a number of routes to overcome the challenge. It’s not perfect, but it is better. Lastly, I think you’ll get through this in about four hours, and it’s certainly not a vital addition to the tale of Adam Jensen. I couldn’t help enjoying it, of course, because it’s more DXHR.

So, as in Deus Ex, so in life, choose where to spend the points you earned…

Weighs in at $15,-. Bit much for what it offers imho.

[kiwi_2005]

Late starter in this game just bought it the other day and really enjoying playing it, probably the best rpg shooter Ive played in a long time.

Only issue I had was the nvidia drivers were 285.62. Game would give me an error after the first play through introduction when you die and then ctd with my video card is not good enough to play the game! not exact words but that's what it meant, so I update to 196.10 drivers and the game runs smooth with no errors.

Great game!