Historic Values

[PappyCain]

I am planning to build a website for advanced simulation* similar to an immersion website I created for advanced combat flying and which ran for 12 years. We had a small cadre of pilots and flew many custom missions. Great fun and very immersive.

For now I started a Group or Club to help identify like minded. The site I will build and the core execution will not cross thread the good work done by others. Perhaps it will just be another venue.

Folks interested in playing with legitimate technology limitations, who respect and understand the historic time line, who possess a healthy curiosity of naval and U-boat history, and who respect the era this simulation represents may like a few test patrols and era immersion.


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* Advanced simulation with education tweaks one would learn at a Maritime Academy. Experts welcomed.

[Sailor Steve]

Cool! I'm in. Have you checked out Wolves At War? I've never actually played, but they act as BdU and assign areas and try to follow the war. Every kaleun registers under an historic name or at least a German-sounding one. Now that I'm settled I'm thinking of joining them next time around.

[nemchenk]

Sign me up, PappyCain! :salute:

[PappyCain]

What I would like is to patrol and execute with like minded. I would also like to raise the bar so new folks can learn to appreciate rewards in playing to historic values. Many folks can get tremendous kick of low but realistic tonnage 'earned', enjoy white knuckle escapades and come home alive with their boat intact and with a seasoned crew ... if encouraged to execute to historic values, we all win. Our rules will be stringent but very do-able. I want people to have a great experience and live to tell their tale.

The site will be driven by current events, real newspaper accounts and family life ... you will feel in the 'moment'.

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[RConch]

Interesting, however I am still on dial up.:wah:
If I live long enough to get broadband or cable, hope you are still running.
Good luck!:D:salute:

[PappyCain]

You will be able to patrol offline on the honor system. :salute:

[Kapt Z]

Sounds interesting.....:hmmm:

[ryanglavin]

Does sound interesting pappy.. I'll wait for more information to decide.

[Jimbuna]

I may well be interested...keep us informed http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/pirate.gif

[unterseemann]

I'm with you...Awaiting further informations but i like the idea

[PappyCain]

Sorry. Canceling the project.

[nemchenk]

:yeah:

edit: sorted

[PappyCain]

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[PappyCain]

BTW, am not looking for converts! I'd be happy if folks weaved in and out of patrols as they see fit. It will be fun, not a chore. Pure immersion.

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[madmex]

am in , waiting for the site link :up:

[Kapt Z]

Looks good so far.:up:

Only question is the food stores limit for patrols. I think this is a great idea, but wonder if 40 days is too short. Perhaps not for a type II or VII, but type IXs went on some godawful long patrols. Will the built in extended range of that type be taken into consideration?

[comet61]

Very interesting. The Enigma Flotilla pretty much does the same thing. Have you looked into that aspect of role playing concerning SHIII? They use the Enigma Code machine there also.....:hmmm:

[Brag]

I'm interested :DL

[PappyCain]

Project canceled, sorry!

[PappyCain]

Update, project cancelled.

[firefighter26]

When you go live with this, I will probably give it a look.

I've been playing around with the idea of joining the Enigma Flotilla for the very same reason (adding a role playing element into a historically accurate simulation)

[Laufen zum Ziel]

PappyCain,

When I sent you a PM telling you I agreed with your historic sims posting I also invited you to visit the Enigma Flotilla. You must have liked our Flotilla to copy our idea.

What a suprise I got when I read your new posting where you are starting your own web site. What you plan to do copies Flotilla Enigma
program almost to the letter.

Do you really think the forum can accomodate two twins?:arrgh!:

BDU (LzZ):hmmm:

[PappyCain]

"What you plan to do copies Flotilla Enigma program almost to the letter."

I am sorry but I have not visited your website (yet) since getting your PM today. As a matter of fact I have not visited anyone's yet.

I ran an advanced flight combat sim (immersion) for years and made over a hundred custom designed missions and cinemas. I still have the website and the forums with maybe 160 members in the past who flew them. I bet I put in thousands of man-hours over the 2 decades. I am an immersion buff, and I have 3 high end graphic immersion sites in my portfolio. Yep, since the late 1990s - long before SH3. (We flew USAAF Jugs and P51s against Bf 109 and Me 190 in the Ardennes in MP and single player). I made WWII immersion websites and club programs for Fighter Ace, Jane's WW2 Fighters, Battle of Britain and am working on one for WWI Rise of Flight. All dedicated to advanced combat skills and historic values. My sub site was to be along the lines of the advanced sim and immersion styles I have already created above with all their bells and whistles.

I am not terribly interested in any market share here, it's a hobby and my real life global subsea commercial work keeps me busy in my semi-retirement.

So best wishes and continued success with whatever it is you are doing!


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[firefighter26]

Huh, I never considered that they might conflict.... hopefully this doesn't create a problem for anyone (still undecided what I am going to do....)

[PappyCain]

Well I just save everyone the heartburn. I am canceling my project.

[Hook]

Well I just save everyone the heartburn. I am canceling my project.

Don't do that. You can claim prior art. :)

Just because I won't be joining doesn't mean I don't think it's a great idea. I just prefer to play on my own.

Besides, there's always room for one more group. People can try out one, and if they aren't satisfied with it then they can try out another. Not all things appeal to all people, and there are sometimes politics and personalities involved that cause someone to prefer one group over another. Besides, there will be people playing in both groups.

Don't think of it as competition. Think of it as additional choices.

Hook

[robbo180265]

Well I just save everyone the heartburn. I am canceling my project.

Why not join in with the Flotilla Enigma? They have been established for quite some time now.

You both seem to want the same thing, seems silly to just drop the whole thing and even sillier to split those that do want an RPG element in SH3 between two groups.

[Dragunov]

I couldn't agree more with robbo180265 (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/member.php?u=228355)
Why not join forces?
1+1=3..:hmmm:

And more immersion is always a good thing.
Besides, a real kaleun isn't that easy discouraged, is he? :03:

[Laufen zum Ziel]

I agree with the last few postings. I do not think you should give up on your project.

My post was a little harsh and you did not deserve a response of that type.

My feelings were a little hurt. I have three months of 6-8 hrs per day trying to make Enigma Flotilla work not to mention the cost of the website. Most, if not all, of our Flotilla are in agreement to your type of game play.

You have a lot of good Ideas to make SHIII more Historicaly interesting. I have a lot of band width left on the Flotilla site and would not mind you being co-host on the site and develope your project. I see a lot of creativity potential here.

I would have no problem giving you the password to the Enigma site builder. Each page you develop would have a seperate URL to your project and be under your control. I could also use some help and new ideas in maintaining the Enigma HQ.

Let me know if you would be interested. I think it would be benifical to the forum.

Cheers,

LzZ:salute:

[Herr-Berbunch]

C'mon Pappy, you cannot dangle your carrot before us and then whip it away. On behalf of quite a few members (I'm guessing), please, please, please don't give up... bite off LzZ's hand - after shaking it of course! :hmmm:

[PappyCain]

I tested the arcade style out with all the parameters and am posting my first patrol. It was a dilly. I hit the first convoy on my way to Canada and wiped out 7 escorts and 21 merchants, then several aircraft appeared off Greenland and I took down 12 or 13 allied aircraft, then I hit a fast moving troop ship which I happened to intercept and one well placed eel sank her, 4 more aircraft appeared and I took them out. Then holy schmokes I saw a small convoy off Halifax and snuck in and sank 7 merchants before I had to head south to New England picking off 12-14 single merchants. When I went into NY Harbor I had a field day, we slayed 9 more merchants and a couple of small sailing vessels presumably from the New York Yacht Club Regatta. I love this game as I can blow up anything at will. Oh, a hospital ship was near the Statue of Liberty and I figured what the heck, they are the bad guys so I sank her too. So many explosions my ears hurt. I sank the Staten Island Ferry and a Circle Cruise Line tourist boat at Ellis Island so I hope I do not lose renown I need to 'buy' the new missile pack mod at the renown store! I need to set a course now for the Gulf of Mexico where I can blow up oil tankers. I'll keep you posted. I am now in pursuit of an aircraft carrier and her 7 DD escorts but my deck gun should finish those off no problem as I zip by at 90+ knots. Worse case I will use the secret laser ray gun to finish them off. It worked well on the 9 merchants and 2 sport fishing boats I sank off NJ and Delaware, and those big balloons they really smoke when hit, must of eliminated 22 blimps using my flak gun along the beaches (beaches filled with the screaming kids and terrified mothers mod).

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[Hook]

Good one, Pappy.

If you're not already at war with the USA, this will be a good test to see what happens when your renown passes -32767. It's possible, though unlikely, that it will wrap back around to 32768. Might as well sink a few more hospital ships and some German ships as well to be sure. I'd suggest not docking at a German base any time soon.

:D

Hook

[PappyCain]

Sorry, I should have mentioned it was 1939. I reconfigured the files so I could use the newest U-boat and mods. I thought those ships outside our harbor were fair game as I did not look to see their flags when shooting. I guess I must have sunk several of our ships too. I wondered why they did not shoot back at me. I thought my day-glo boat mesmerized their watch. Since my first post I think I sank that fancy yacht boat Roosevelt likes to use. I caught her in the Potomoc while she was partying.

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"Over 900,000 tons lost on our shipping lanes in one evening!! The Presidential Yacht destroyed. One U-Boat seems to be the scourge of the Atlantic. She appears to be invincible, nothing can touch her and her speed is beyond anything our sea and air power can measure. Our Navy dept. has intercepted a German transmittal. Her Commander is to be rewarded the state of New Hampshire and all of the Canadian Maritimes should Germany win the war this weekend. Oh! the humanity! We understand that this boat has just sunk an additional 400,000 tons off New Orleans in just the last half hour! The German consulate informed our State Department that this is not a game. Known now as Operation Spongebob Squarepants they intend to use every tactical mod available."


"This just in. Apparently the Commander of the U-boat has left the area leaving every tanker in the Gulf of Mexico ablaze. Our man on the scene, Bozo the Clown in Gibraltar reports they saw a boat flash by at hundreds of knots per hour. It was pink in color with polka dots or skulls. Within hours the entire Allied task force in the Med was sunk. It is believed the boat is now headed back to Germany and the war is lost, and all by a single U-boat Commander. When asked to comment on these losses at sea, the usually erudite Winston Churchill responded, 'this sucks', Roosevelt in his Patrician accent responded 'this sucks'. We are not sure what this acronym 'sucks' means yet but it seems to be the 'in' code to describe an unknown issue which is too difficult to comprehend or to research using books. One more profound code word for adroit thinkers to work on! no matter, it appears all convoys and task forces at sea were lost in a matter of hours!!"

[PappyCain]

Our contract came thru today so I am mobilizing the crew (MDU) out to the offshore salvage site. We have a salvage OSV with gas racks, class 2 bells and a medium duty ROV spread. Hopefully after we recon the target, we may go into a film production. Meanwhile I have the angle I need or the hook for the historic values site I have been yammerin about. I have many personal messages from fellas who expressed interest and I promise it will be fun!! It will not mimic anything out there or cross thread anyone's effort to date. We are just gonna enjoy ourselves playing properly to the era! No 'typewriter tough guys' need apply! These weenies have debased this site to the lowest level of discourse hiding behind their false personna i.e. Navy Seal my arse! Wannabee weenies* who need attention. I will have a forum set up where we few can discuss subjects on an adult level. If 3-4 of us can have a decent clubhouse without these weenie keyboard commandos that is fine.


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* http://www.military.com/NewContent/0,13190,Gomulka_101705,00.html


(http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2001/10/15/seal-site.htm)