Deepwater Horizon oil spill

[OneToughHerring]

Since the 'top kill' method didn't work in capping the oil flow I thought it's ok for a thread about the upcoming attempt, I named the thread according to the Wiki-article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_Horizon_oil_spill).

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE6503LX20100601

"On Tuesday, undersea robots will use a diamond-coated saw to cut through the riser pipe atop a giant stack of pipes called the lower marine riser package, or LMRP. Workers will lower a containment dome and place it atop the LMRP to funnel oil to a tanker on the surface."

So a risky new strategy that might backfire.

"The company is also drilling two relief wells that are expected to ultimately plug the ruptured well but will not be completed until August."

So it might be gushing until August. :nope:

[Tchocky]

Last time this happened it took 10 months to stop. Let's just hope it's faster this time.

[Weiss Pinguin]

With hurricane season coming up it could get messy :hmmm:

[Dowly]

Live feed from an underwater camera:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-rov-video

EDIT: Haha, I think the robot operator dropped the diamond saw into the abyss. Looking for it now. :haha:

EDIT2: Found it! Go Wall-E!! :DL

[SteamWake]

In the meantime the federals tactic is to blame blames and threaten with litigation.

So BP is not only under the white house's 'control' they are also in their cross hairs.

It seems to me like BP have been doing everything in their power to try to solve the problem and throwing out 'settelment' money like it was candy but they are the evil hidious corporation villan.

[Weiss Pinguin]

EDIT: Haha, I think the robot operator dropped the diamond saw into the abyss. Looking for it now. :haha:

EDIT2: Found it! Go Wall-E!! :DL
:rotfl2:

[SteamWake]

Live feed from an underwater camera:
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/live-rov-video

EDIT: Haha, I think the robot operator dropped the diamond saw into the abyss. Looking for it now. :haha:

EDIT2: Found it! Go Wall-E!! :DL

Thats pretty awsome I stared at it for a whole minute... heh... Saw some giant yellow crab claw looking thing.

At the top it says "Live broadcast started 21 hours ago" does that mean there is a 21 hour delay?

[Dowly]

Thats pretty awsome I stared at it for a whole minute... heh... Saw some giant yellow crab claw looking thing.

You should've watched earlier, they were cutting the pipes. Don't know what's happening atm tho. :hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

You should've watched earlier, they were cutting the pipes. Don't know what's happening atm tho. :hmmm:


5 o'clock brother...it is Miller Time around those parts. Screw that oil spewing pipe, it is quit'in time. Yeehaa.....

[GoldenRivet]

5 o'clock brother...it is Miller Time around those parts. Screw that oil spewing pipe, it is quit'in time. Yeehaa.....

Time on our flight schedule at a flight school i used to attend which was considered "off duty" is marked

"M.T." for that very reason :haha:

i think i'll adopt that procedure for my own schedule

[nikimcbee]

5 o'clock brother...it is Miller Time around those parts. Screw that oil spewing pipe, it is quit'in time. Yeehaa.....

Union labor?

[em2nought]

Last time this happened it took 10 months to stop. Let's just hope it's faster this time.

and that was in 200 ft of water, watch this for all the similarities http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHmhxpQEGPo&feature=player_embedded#!

[krashkart]

EDIT2: Found it! Go Wall-E!! :DL


You sick, sick bastard. :D:har:

[krashkart]

In the meantime the federals tactic is to blame blames and threaten with litigation.

So BP is not only under the white house's 'control' they are also in their cross hairs.

It seems to me like BP have been doing everything in their power to try to solve the problem and throwing out 'settelment' money like it was candy but they are the evil hidious corporation villan.


Such is the game. I wish D.C. would quit quibbling amongst themselves, at least publicly, and focus on the important material. Instead of telling me how so-and-so screwed up/took too long to respond/whatever; tell me what in Sam Hell they're doing to fix the problem and clean up the Gulf. BP is doing all the grunt work while Washington puts on its usual stage show. In the end the politicians all look like petty imbeciles. And why on God's green Earth do they insist on continuing to breathe? :x

Soz. Stream-of-consciousness thing

[Madox58]

They continue to breath because we all let them.
We, as a Nation, voted this bit of muck into Office.
So, We, as a Nation, deserve the final blame.
BP is a joke, has been a joke, and will continue to be a joke, in all this.
How many pockets are padded by BP, I wonder?
I use to say 'BP' as a 'Ball Park' figure when doing estimates.
I don't do that no more!
As BP is a BAD thing to bring up now days.

[SteamWake]

I dont get all this hatred pointed at BP. It seems to me like they are trying to solve the problem which is more than could be said for members of the goverment whom are trying to affix blame. They (BP) are working hard even while being chastised and threatened with legal actions.

I can almost see BP saying.. okay fine were to blame we will just go out of buisness and let you (the feds) deal with the problem. How much of a financial and public brow beating can they take after all. But the thing is the adminstration dosent have the first clue as to how to deal with such a thing.

I heard today that they are planning to bring in the director of Avatar as a special consultant :doh: Hollywood to the rescue? Please.

Ive heard story after story about communitys that want to help want to do something to help clean up or at least prepare for the worst but federal regulations keep them from doing so.

Lastly I heard that there is another snag... literally.. evidently the saw got stuck while cutting.

[OneToughHerring]

Well James Cameron is a bit of a deep ocean enthousiast. Not sure what he will be able to do there though except shout "I'm king of the world!" or something. :)

In Finland some conscientious objectors have been trained to clean beaches in case of a oil spill. Too bad they can't do anything about the Baltic sea being really polluted.

[SteamWake]

Here in the us there are supposed response teams that do stuff like pick up tar balls, spread hay around to soak up the oil, things like that.

They have been asking to do something yet are turned away.

There is some fears (rightfully so) that some of these pepole may be adversly effected healthwise and end up in lawsuits etc.

Already there has been claims by LA fishermen whom were asked to help with the booms.

The federal goverments course of action?

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100601/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill

That will be sure to help.

[mookiemookie]

the adminstration dosent have the first clue as to how to deal with such a thing.

Apparently neither do the avaricious pieces of s*** at BP.

[SteamWake]

Apparently neither do the avaricious pieces of s*** at BP.

Well at least their doing something.

You know what gets me is we still dont know the actual cause of the event.

[Weiss Pinguin]

Well at least their doing something.

You know what gets me is we still dont know the actual cause of the event.
Well it couldn't have been scantily clad women :hmmm:

[krashkart]

^^ :rotfl2:

I dont get all this hatred pointed at BP. It seems to me like they are trying to solve the problem which is more than could be said for members of the goverment whom are trying to affix blame. They (BP) are working hard even while being chastised and threatened with legal actions.

I can almost see BP saying.. okay fine were to blame we will just go out of buisness and let you (the feds) deal with the problem. How much of a financial and public brow beating can they take after all. But the thing is the adminstration dosent have the first clue as to how to deal with such a thing.

I heard today that they are planning to bring in the director of Avatar as a special consultant :doh: Hollywood to the rescue? Please.

Ive heard story after story about communitys that want to help want to do something to help clean up or at least prepare for the worst but federal regulations keep them from doing so.

Lastly I heard that there is another snag... literally.. evidently the saw got stuck while cutting.

Yeah, I'm not gonna bash on BP while they're getting saw blades stuck in the pipes. They are doing something to remedy the problem. Thought that came to mind this morning when I turned on the news was; "Anything that can go wrong, will go wrong". It's really looking that way at this point. I'll just keep on praying for the best.


Well at least their doing something.

You know what gets me is we still dont know the actual cause of the event.

I doubt anything will come to light until after the leak is plugged.

[Platapus]

Seems to me that BP is taking this very seriously and spending serious bucks in fixing their accident. They seem to be trying anything and everything they can to stop the leak.

I gotta wacky idea. Lets fix the problem first and then we can sit around and play the blame game if that is what is important. But in case anyone forgot, this damn thing is still leaking!

[Ducimus]

>>I dont get all this hatred pointed at BP.

Haven't even read 90% of this thread and i think i can answer that.

- BP is another big oil company.

- Big oil bent the public over and gouged the holy hell out of everyone while simultainously making record profits.

- Now a big oil company royally screws the pooch, and f*cks over local economy (fisherman, oyster farmers, shirmper's etc) and wildlife.

To your average joe, these guys are fat cats who've done nothing but screw people over. So what's not to hate?

[Oberon]

BP do seem to be in headless chicken mode, but at least they're trying. Five odd miles down, deeper than the depth the Titanic is sitting at. Doing anything down there is bloody hard, particularly having to do it with WALL-E.
Hopefully this new approach will work, but I'm sure BP will keep trying until either the US government pushes them aside or the oil stops leaking.
I'm a bit concerned to hear that volunteers are being turned away from helping at clear up sites over fears of health risks and claims resulting from this. Surely with reduced manpower it's going to take longer to clear the mess up when the time comes?
I don't know though, I'm not in the area, so I can't cast judgement...but at least this isn't as big as the mess that was created when the Kuwaiti oil fields were torched.

[Platapus]

The leak is at 5,000 feet, not five miles.

[GoldenRivet]

The messiah has proposed a significant budget cut to the United States Coast Guard - right in the middle of this mess. :doh:

what an a-hole

[em2nought]

Well at least their doing something.

You know what gets me is we still dont know the actual cause of the event.

The gay gunner's mate in number two turret, no wait I know that's supposedly the answer to some question. Hopefully the Navy won't be doing the investigating.

[em2nought]

>>I dont get all this hatred pointed at BP.

Haven't even read 90% of this thread and i think i can answer that.

- BP is another big oil company.

- Big oil bent the public over and gouged the holy hell out of everyone while simultainously making record profits.

- Now a big oil company royally screws the pooch, and f*cks over local economy (fisherman, oyster farmers, shirmper's etc) and wildlife.

To your average joe, these guys are fat cats who've done nothing but screw people over. So what's not to hate?

You missed one, BP is too big to fail. :hmmm:

[krashkart]

The messiah has proposed a significant budget cut to the United States Coast Guard - right in the middle of this mess. :doh:

what an a-hole


What a brilliant strategy. :har:


@Oberon: It stinks to high heaven that volunteers are being turned away, but the powers that be might be concerned about possible lawsuits stemming from injuries and illness. How much experience do these folks have with cleaning up crude oil? Are there enough training resources? Is there enough equipment available, and are there adequate emergency resources on hand in the event that some of them get sick from exposure to the oil? Could be any or all of the above factoring in to prevent a green light. Sucks, but I bet it sucks to be the one who has to turn them away.

--

Most days I might agree that BP is evil. Today, however, I have to put my hopes behind their expertise and just pray that they can get it fixed ASAP. But... here's something that kicks my ass every time I think about it: without our demand for fuel they would have no market, and no reason to drill in the first place. Everything we do that requires transport also requires energy to fuel that transport, and our technologies currently revolve around oil as the prime energy source. How do we change that overnight? We can't. We're stuck with petroleum and its potential hazards until alternative energies become both cheap and mainstream enough that civilization no longer needs oil.

In light of that, I don't think it comes down to "evil oil corporations". I think it comes down to we have no other viable alternative energy sources.

[Oberon]

The leak is at 5,000 feet, not five miles.

:oops: It shows that they teach the metric system in English schools, doesn't it? I thought it was 1000ft to a mile :damn:

You make a good point Krashkart, it's a shame but it is true. It must be the fact that the fate of the Gulf coast is in the hands of BP which rankles many, but they have the resources and hopefully they'll have the ability to stop this.
All we can do is watch and wait.

[Weiss Pinguin]

:oops: It shows that they teach the metric system in English schools, doesn't it? I thought it was 1000ft to a mile :damn:
5,280 feet to a mile, so it's a little less than a mile, if the leak is under 5280 feet, that is ;)

[tater]

Why are they drilling so deep, anyway? Isn't there tons of oil closer inshore where it is safer to drill, and easier to fix problems?

[mookiemookie]

>>I dont get all this hatred pointed at BP.

Haven't even read 90% of this thread and i think i can answer that.

- BP is another big oil company.

- Big oil bent the public over and gouged the holy hell out of everyone while simultainously making record profits.

- Now a big oil company royally screws the pooch, and f*cks over local economy (fisherman, oyster farmers, shirmper's etc) and wildlife.

To your average joe, these guys are fat cats who've done nothing but screw people over. So what's not to hate?

To add a couple more:

a foreign oil company that's f*cked over the local economy and wildlife

a foreign oil company is using the Coast Guard as a corporate PR department, keeping cleanup workers from taking pictures or giving descriptions of the environmental impact of the spill, and bullying journalists.

[SteamWake]

Looks like Cameron got dissed...

"Over the last few weeks I've watched, as we all have, with growing horror and heartache, watching what's happening in the Gulf and thinking those morons don't know what they're doing," Cameron said at the All Things Digital technology conference.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20100603/en_nm/us_oil_spill_cameron

[OneToughHerring]

To add a couple more:

a foreign oil company that's f*cked over the local economy and wildlife

a foreign oil company is using the Coast Guard as a corporate PR department, keeping cleanup workers from taking pictures or giving descriptions of the environmental impact of the spill, and bullying journalists.

Amoco is actually a part of BP, so...foreign?

[mookiemookie]

BP is headquartered in London. That's it, end of story. No need to split hairs.

[SteamWake]

BP is headquartered in London. That's it, end of story. No need to split hairs.

Hahaha.... oh the irony...

[SteamWake]

BP in spite of its apparent incompetence and lack of knowing what the hell they are doing make progress.

The saw is un-stuck and the pipe has been cut. They are currently trying to lower and place a cap...

Woops I meant there running around blaming, naming, disrupting and getting nothing done.

No wait thats the feds...

Oh I'm so conused... :har:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/06/03/bp-successfully-slices-busted-oil-pipe-try-place-new-cap/

[Sailor Steve]

Amoco is actually a part of BP, so...foreign?
BP=British Petroleum.

[OneToughHerring]

BP=British Petroleum.

Not, Beyond Petroleum?

http://www.corpwatch.org/article.php?id=219

Also, Amoco. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amoco)

[AVGWarhawk]

British Petroleum. It is an extreme mess at this time and does not look to get better for quite awhile.

[msxyz]

American or British it means little. It's still one of the seven sisters.

Everyone who thinks megacorporations with the power to deal with entire nations at a peer level are just found in Gibson or Dick books, never realized how powerful and rich oil companies are.

[OneToughHerring]

British Petroleum. It is an extreme mess at this time and does not look to get better for quite awhile.

Well let's say they are 100% British.

Boy, those British nigels sure did a number on you guys, lol. :haha:

[AVGWarhawk]

Well let's say they are 100% British.

Boy, those British nigels sure did a number on you guys, lol. :haha:

What gets my goat is that BP did not ask for help nor did they accept the help when offered. :hmmm: I find that odd and I suspect there might be something they are hiding.

[Weiss Pinguin]

What gets my goat is that BP did not ask for help nor did they accept the help when offered. :hmmm: I find that odd and I suspect there might be something they are hiding.
Well, from what I understand Cameron is a real bear to work with :p2:

[AVGWarhawk]

Well, from what I understand Cameron is a real bear to work with :p2:

Even before Cameron offered up help BP declined help from others.

[SteamWake]

Even before Cameron offered up help BP declined help from others.

Heh I'm pretty sure he was joking. ;)

[AVGWarhawk]

I don't. He wants to make documentary I'm sure. I can see it now...."I'm king of the pump!" And the opening song..."My Pump Will Go On."

[Weiss Pinguin]

I don't. He wants to make documentary I'm sure. I can see it now...."I'm king of the pump!" And the opening song..."My Pump Will Go On."
:rotfl2:

[OneToughHerring]

http://zombie.clue-free.com/tpt/newstuff/NukeOrbit.jpg

[Weiss Pinguin]

http://pix.motivatedphotos.com/2009/5/20/633784372580064945-Gameoverman.jpg

[Wolfehunter]

hmmmm maybe?

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/888884039_umVwa-L.jpg

:D

[CaptainHaplo]

Why are they drilling so deep, anyway? Isn't there tons of oil closer inshore where it is safer to drill, and easier to fix problems?

Tater - they have to dig way out to see because the environmentalists won't allow them to work "offshore" - where its alot shallower and easier to reach. Sure, the same thing could happen - but at 500 feet its alot easier to deal with than at 5000....

In many ways - environmentalists own a share of the blame here - but you will never see em accept it.

[SteamWake]

hmmmm maybe?

http://art.penny-arcade.com/photos/888884039_umVwa-L.jpg

:D


LOL classic !

[AngusJS]

Photos of oil-drenched birds to brighten your day :cry:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/caught_in_the_oil.html

[Blood_splat]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O8NIrw2l9x8&feature=fvhl

[OneToughHerring]

There's also the issue of the people who died and those that survived.

Oil Rig Survivor. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5X5oS26WVw8)

From CNN. (http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/us/2010/06/04/ac.intv.tease.rig.survivors.cnn?hpt=C2)

[em2nought]

Photos of oil-drenched birds to brighten your day :cry:

http://www.boston.com/bigpicture/2010/06/caught_in_the_oil.html

I could have taken that many photos of roadkill on Friday along a 70 mile stretch of US 64. Those birds are lucky not to be four-legged creatures living along a busy road.

[AngusJS]

I could have taken that many photos of roadkill on Friday along a 70 mile stretch of US 64. Those birds are lucky not to be four-legged creatures living along a busy road.I'd imagine most roadkill deaths are relatively quick and painless, and don't involve hours of struggling to move and breathe while covered in oil, before eventually dying.

[XabbaRus]

I'm getting tired of Obama's rhetoric and the increasingly strident language he is using towards BP.

BP maybe overall responsible but it was Transoceans rig and Halliburton's (IIRC) BOP. It's almost as if he has an agenda against BP. Maybe a way to get BP out of the American market?

Although Obama has come across as the liberal new guy who is going to bring change, I think that he is actually an isolationist and I also think that he personally doesn't have much time or respect for the UK really, not in the way previous US presidents have, or at least on the face of it they did.

[OneToughHerring]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,696597,00.html

"Washington and BP -- 'Like a Junkie Controlling His Dealer'" :DL

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,699382,00.html

"Oil Spill's Real Threat Lies Beneath the Surface" :nope:

[krashkart]

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,696597,00.html

"Washington and BP -- 'Like a Junkie Controlling His Dealer'" :DL

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,699382,00.html

"Oil Spill's Real Threat Lies Beneath the Surface" :nope:


On that second link, the news here has made mention of the underwater plumes a number of times over the weeks. Yeah, the Gulf is screwed big time. The fishing/shrimping industry will take years to recover, the oyster beds will be chock full of oil and toxins for decades (them filter feeders, they soak up everything). Dolphins are about ready to bring in a new generation, too -- right in the middle of it all. News ticker this morning read "it could take years to clean up the spill". That's pretty much a given; thanks CBS for telling us what we already know.

What I didn't know until Sunday was that BP's CEO told Sky News that the environmental impact of the leak would be (and I don't remember his exact words, so...) minimal. He's trying to keep the public from slashing his throat, obviously. Would be much better if he came forward and said, "Well, we screwed up and the Gulf of Mexico will be a sticky mess for many, many years to come. Oh, and we welcome locals to help us clean up the mess, but please do be careful; leave the larger masses of oil to the guys in HazMat suits."

:damn:

[OneToughHerring]

"Rig survivors: BP ordered shortcut on day of blast"

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/06/08/oil.rig.warning.signs/index.html

[krashkart]

Transocean is doing everything it can to shift the blame away from itself.

The rig survivors also said it was always understood that you could get fired if you raised safety concerns that might delay drilling. Some co-workers had been fired for speaking out, they said.

"There is no scenario or circumstance under which it will be compromised," the company said in a written statement. "So critical is safety at Transocean that every crew member has stop-work authority, a real-time method by which all work is halted should any employee suspect an unsafe situation or operation."

Quite a conflict there. I better not cast a shadow, it's too soon. What's your take on this article, OTH?

[SteamWake]

It's almost as if he has an agenda against BP. Maybe a way to get BP out of the American market?.

I dont think he will be happy untill BP is driven into bankrupcy.

It's not just an agenda against BP it is at his core belief that capatilisim is a bad thing in general.

In the meantime it appears that some progress has been made by the evil BP. I dont know but it seems like BP is the only one doing anything constructive out there.

GULF SHORES, Ala. (AP) - A top BP executive says the company expects to be capturing virtually all the oil leaking from the Gulf floor by early next week.

Chief operating officer Doug Suttles told The Associated Press on Tuesday in Gulf Shores, Ala., that the flow should decrease "to a relative trickle" by Monday or Tuesday.

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D9G7D7F80&show_article=1

[geetrue]

I dont think he will be happy untill BP is driven into bankrupcy


We should freeze all BP assets and take over BP aka AM/PM

Take a serious slice of all future profits to be shared with all parties the oil spill has effected on the Gulf Coast ... absolve BP if the debt is higher than the profit.

If they go bankrupt filling chapter 11 which would cost them everything anyway. Misewell teat them like the banks we took over.

Can't lose either way

Where is the huge converted oil tanker at that could be scooping up oil?

Should of been ordered 58 days ago.

I would order the US Navy and US Army engineers to take over myself.

Have you seen how thick that stuff is lately?

It's sickning and I live 2,200 miles away :nope:

[XabbaRus]

I don't agree with that at all geetrue. That smacks of vengence.

BP from the word go has accepted responsibility, paid out compensation straight off without complaining. I agree that they should postpone the dividend however screwing BP till they go bankrupt is irresponsible and vengeful.

Where are Transocean and Halliburton? They seem to be pushing all the blame onto BP. The BOP was Halliburtons.

[CaptainHaplo]

Not sure why the BOP is Halliburton's - unless its just because its Halliburton and thus its evil. Document and testimony show that HB made a standard pour, and warned about specific issues. BP ordered the mud to be circulated well less than the standard time required, was the one that applied for the seawater permit, and was the decisionmaker to instigate the seawater exchange. Transocean - as the rig operator - is responsible for the lack of proper function of the blowout preventor.

HB did as it was contracted to do - and warned of concerns it had.
Transocean expressed concern over the directives of BP, but is responsible for the blowout preventor.
BP chose to over-ride warnings from both firms, failed to insure proper mud cycle time to check for gas, applied for the permit and used seawater to substitute for the drilling mude - which was the direct cause of the problem. Had BP listened to the issues and not tried to "rush" - we wouldn't be having this discussion.....

Explain to me why its evil Haliburton that is the one that should be targetted.....

[XabbaRus]

My understanding is that the BOP was Halliburtons and that it did not work. Therefore if that is the case then Halliburton should also shoulder the blame.

Nothing to do with Halliburton being evil just because.

All I see is Transocean and Halliburton running very fast from ANY responsibility at all and lumping it all on BP using the "they told us to" trick.

I don't mind Americans being mad, I sympathise for the 1000's of people who are affected by it. I do mind Obama shooting his mouth off with quite frankly undiplomatic language that I think isn't becoming of the President of the most powerful country on the planet.

[tater]

http://www.ouramazingplanet.com/infographic-tallest-mountain-to-deepest-ocean-trench-0249/

[Weiss Pinguin]

http://www.ouramazingplanet.com/infographic-tallest-mountain-to-deepest-ocean-trench-0249/
Wow :o

[krashkart]

The Wiki entry for Deepwater Horizon says that the rig was owned by Transocean and leased to BP.

Transocean, the rig owner, operated the rig under the Marshalese (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Islands) flag of convenience (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_of_convenience).[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_horizon#cite_note-lease-11) Beginning in 2008, BP Exploration leased the Deepwater Horizon from Transocean Ltd (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transocean).[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_horizon#cite_note-lease-11) In October 2009, the contract was extended until 2013.[5] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_horizon#cite_note-offshore-mag011109-4)[12] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_horizon#cite_note-lease-11) The lease contract was worth $544 million, a rate of $496,800 per day.[13] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_horizon#cite_note-12)http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deepwater_horizon

[mookiemookie]

How BP handles a coffee spill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AAa0gd7ClM
:rotfl2:

[krashkart]

How BP handles a coffee spill: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AAa0gd7ClM
:rotfl2:


Ten thumbs up! :har::har::rock:

[OneToughHerring]

Ten thumbs up! :har::har::rock:

Ten? Do you live near Alamogordo? Or in West Virginia? I kid! :)

But yea, funny stuff. Kevin Costner... :)

Edit. I nominate mookiemookie's vid as The Funniest Video Posted To Subsim Radioroom In 2010.

[tater]

Trinity is way closer to Socorro than Alamagordo. ;)

(If they blew another one up, I think I'd see the cloud from my den window)

[krashkart]

Ten? Do you live near Alamogordo? Or in West Virginia? I kid! :)

:rotfl2:

Actually, I'm an Idaho native, expatriated in Iowa. :smug: "Ten thumbs up", referring to being 'all thumbs'; e.g. "I keep dropping things. I'm all thumbs today". :DL

[Platapus]

I don't agree with that at all geetrue. That smacks of vengence.

BP from the word go has accepted responsibility, paid out compensation straight off without complaining. I agree that they should postpone the dividend however screwing BP till they go bankrupt is irresponsible and vengeful.

Where are Transocean and Halliburton? They seem to be pushing all the blame onto BP. The BOP was Halliburtons.


Yes. That's a good mature attitude to have. :up:

[SteamWake]

We should freeze all BP assets and take over BP aka AM/PM


Never thought I would see the day that Geeter agreed with Rosie O'donnell

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2010/06/08/rosie-odonnell-wants-bps-assets-seized-we-broke-freakin-womb-mother-eart

[Platapus]

http://www.ouramazingplanet.com/infographic-tallest-mountain-to-deepest-ocean-trench-0249/

That is a cool graphic. A good way to put things in perspective. 150 ATM. That's some pressure. :nope:

[CaptainHaplo]

My understanding is that the BOP was Halliburtons and that it did not work. Therefore if that is the case then Halliburton should also shoulder the blame.

Ok thank you for clarifying that Xabba.

This may help to sort out the confusion (emphasis added):

BP chief operating officer Doug Suttles said interviews with Transocean workers on the rig revealed crewmembers tried to activate the BOP from the rig's bridge before the fire forced them to evacuate, but the BOP did not close off the well.
Suttles also revealed that BP remotely-operated vehicles (ROVs) had hit "subsea access points" that should close the BOP, but that they also failed to trigger the mechanism to shut.
"We don't know why the BOP failed to stop the flow," he said. "Ultimately we will recover the BOP, get it to the surface and find out."
"I'm sure Transocean, who actually owned blowout preventer, will be interested to find out why it didn't work," Suttles said.

Source: http://www.upstreamonline.com/live/article213497.ece

By that statement - it would be Transocean who holds the largest responsibility. However, I personally am not willing to let BP off the hook because of it - when they made numerous decisions that created the need for a working BOP in the first place.

[OneToughHerring]

Experts double the size of the oil spill.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10290238.stm

Nice going UK & US. :nope:

[XabbaRus]

when they made numerous decisions that created the need for a working BOP in the first place.

Apologies I thought Halliburton owned it.

As a matter of course whether drilling in shallow or deep water a BOP is required and is common sense.

Yes BP as the project owner is responsible and I won't absolve them, however they are stepping up. Transocean is walking away and letting BP take the flack. The BOP didn't work as it was designed to. It was designed to shear older type pipework. Piping materials have improved, got stronger for an equivalent grade than 20 years ago. That is why the BOP couldn't cut the pipe, that is Transoceans responsibility and they should be chucked under the boot along with BP.

Oh someone sort Pelosi out too.

[krashkart]

Oh someone sort Pelosi out too.

Get Palin to stop railin' about her new neighbor and we'll talk about the Pelosi thing. :DL:O:


Experts double the size of the oil spill.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_...a/10290238.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/world/us_and_canada/10290238.stm)

Nice going UK & US. :nope:

Double again that size, just to be on the safe side. Now, if you break it down to the owners and operators of the systems that failed, you get the ones that should probably shoulder the blame. That leaves Transocean and BP. Make it a little more complicated by tossing in the government, who appear to have been dragging ass since April, and we almost have a complete list of suspects. Where's Frank Drebbin when you need him? :DL

What part did Halliburton play in building the platform/riser/BOP/(anything else I missed) system? I heard something about a concrete pour for the BOP, was that it? :06:




Howdy Haplo. *wave*

[XabbaRus]

I don't know. Looking back I don't think Halliburton have that much to do with it.

It is Transocean and BP who are the biggies.

Seriously though on this side of the Atlantic people are getting fed up with Obama's rhetoric and language and can't help feeling the there is an anti-British sentiment being stirred up and coming out of Obama. Saying that I never thought he cared much for the UK as a partner anyway, or anyone else for that matter.

[CaptainHaplo]

In the final stages of closing the well, a concrete "plug" is poured to seal the well. Farther up, another concrete plug is poured to insure its clamped shut. Haliburton was responsible for the concrete pours. After the first one, they noted some problems in writing to both Transocean and BP because the testing indicated there could be some gas still leaking through. This is why the mud cycle should have run for 8-12 hours minimum (to get the mud at the bottom of the pipe up to be checked for gas absorbtion) and that BP only circulated for 30 minutes - not enough by a mile. Had they done so, they would have known they had a gas leak, and it was unsafe to swap the mud out for seawater (which allowed the gas up the pipe and led to the explosion. Normally the mud isn't swapped until the second plug is in place and tested, but BP did get a permit to only use the one, and ignored the warnings that there was a problem.

[krashkart]

I don't know. Looking back I don't think Halliburton have that much to do with it.

It is Transocean and BP who are the biggies.

Seriously though on this side of the Atlantic people are getting fed up with Obama's rhetoric and language and can't help feeling the there is an anti-British sentiment being stirred up and coming out of Obama. Saying that I never thought he cared much for the UK as a partner anyway, or anyone else for that matter.

I don't blame the UK; I blame Ireland. (J/K) :O: I'm not picking up as much on any anti-whomever sentiment as much as I'm picking up on strong language and a more-relaxed-than-is-confortable approach to a very big and serious problem. I can respect that Obama prefers not to pitch a fit, and I can only imagine what he really thinks about it; but I'm actually seeing (in the news) more action being taken by BP, Bobby Jindahl, and coast residents than is being taken by the feds. The Big O needs to be showing me some real strength in this soon, and something tells me that strength will be coming along with the inquiries. He's meeting with BP Chairman today. Let's see what happens. (Please, Mr. President, hand the man his ass on a silver platter *pray*)

In the final stages of closing the well, a concrete "plug" is poured to seal the well. Farther up, another concrete plug is poured to insure its clamped shut. Haliburton was responsible for the concrete pours. After the first one, they noted some problems in writing to both Transocean and BP because the testing indicated there could be some gas still leaking through. This is why the mud cycle should have run for 8-12 hours minimum (to get the mud at the bottom of the pipe up to be checked for gas absorbtion) and that BP only circulated for 30 minutes - not enough by a mile. Had they done so, they would have known they had a gas leak, and it was unsafe to swap the mud out for seawater (which allowed the gas up the pipe and led to the explosion. Normally the mud isn't swapped until the second plug is in place and tested, but BP did get a permit to only use the one, and ignored the warnings that there was a problem.

Okay, that clears up a lot for me. The well was in the process of being closed up. BP took a poorly calculated shortcut, against documented evidence (the Halliburton reports) that they should proceed with caution, and ended up sinking a Transocean oil rig, which ultimately cost lives and has released several tens-of-millions of gallons of crude oil into the Gulf of Mexico. Did I get that right?




<vehement rant>
*indescribable verbal abuse* :x
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:sunny:

[SteamWake]

Get Palin to stop railin' about her new neighbor and we'll talk about the Pelosi thing. :DL:O:

She has been busy out endorsing (sucessfully I add) candidates.

But what this has to do with the oil spill I'm not sure.

[krashkart]

She has been busy out endorsing (sucessfully I add) candidates.

But what this has to do with the oil spill I'm not sure.


:rotfl2: Yeah, I wondered too. Not sure how Pelosi fits into the picture, either. Just funnin' with the man. :DL

[SteamWake]

It will be very interisting to see where this leads...


BP's directors plan to suspend the oil giant's dividend payment, the BBC has learned.

BBC business editor Robert Peston says that the directors are to meet on Monday to make a formal decision.

However, any formal announcement will not be made until after negotiations with the US president on Wednesday.


http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10291371.stm

[krashkart]

Seriously though on this side of the Atlantic...


Which side, US or Europe? I missed the chance to ask earlier.


It will be very interisting to see where this leads...



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/business/10291371.stm

From the graph it looks like the dividend would be healthy. Krashkart read article now...

[XabbaRus]

I meant on the UK side of the Atlantic.

[krashkart]

Ah, okay. Could you tell me why? I wasn't expecting to have a leader that didn't like the UK. :-?

[CaptainHaplo]

krashkart - the UK isn't socialist enough for O to like you guys.

He likes venuzeula and cuba though - just watch him try to nationalize the petroleum industry over this mess.....

[OneToughHerring]

krashkart - the UK isn't socialist enough for O to like you guys.

He likes venuzeula and cuba though - just watch him try to nationalize the petroleum industry over this mess.....

Jesus loves oil spills.

[krashkart]

^^ You crazy bastard! :har::DL

[OneToughHerring]

Behold, the true Messiah!

http://current.com/entertainment/comedy/92456176_jesus-face-in-oil-spill-video-feed.htm

[antikristuseke]

Behold, the true Messiah!

http://current.com/entertainment/comedy/92456176_jesus-face-in-oil-spill-video-feed.htm

LMFAO!

You have got to be ****ing kidding me. Some people...

[OneToughHerring]

http://www.peachygreen.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/10/3322346983_c20aa11ea1.jpg
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/01556/eagle_1556599c.jpg
http://www.ibrrc.org/images/eagle_wash_Exxon_Valdez_89.jpg

[XabbaRus]

It's the way that Obama is emphasising "British Petroleum". IE making straight out who is to blame and the feeling is he is emphasising the British part, ie it ain't American responsibility at all. BP hasn't been called British Petroleum for years.

There was a US senator on British TV today and he wasn't too happy with the language used by Obama either as it is having the effect of alientating some of us Brits. Also there is speculation here that it serves Obama politically as he can play the big strong man. He just looks stupid.

Geez even Bush didn't shoot his mouth off like Obama is at the moment.

What gets me is that Obama and some of his cronies want BP to not only pay compensation to the families of the oil workers and the people on the the gulf coast who are being affected, but also pay compensation to all the oil workers whose rigs in the gulf have been shut down due to this. Now isn't that just a bit too much that last one?

[SteamWake]

It's the way that Obama is emphasising "British Petroleum". IE making straight out who is to blame and the feeling is he is emphasising the British part, ie it ain't American responsibility at all. BP hasn't been called British Petroleum for years.

There was a US senator on British TV today and he wasn't too happy with the language used by Obama either as it is having the effect of alientating some of us Brits. Also there is speculation here that it serves Obama politically as he can play the big strong man. He just looks stupid.

Geez even Bush didn't shoot his mouth off like Obama is at the moment.

What gets me is that Obama and some of his cronies want BP to not only pay compensation to the families of the oil workers and the people on the the gulf coast who are being affected, but also pay compensation to all the oil workers whose rigs in the gulf have been shut down due to this. Now isn't that just a bit too much that last one?

See my post about where they wont be satisfied until BP is driven out of buisness... after all that wealth needs to be given back to the gov..... er pepole.

[antikristuseke]

Personally I think it is more about shifting as much blame as possible towards a foreign entity rather than something closer to home, but I guess I could allways use a new tinfoil hat.

[XabbaRus]

My point exactly, but there is a further edge to it.

[krashkart]

Whatever the sentiment is being expressed by Washington toward the world, it does not mirror my own view. :03: Maybe that's why I like forums so much. I get to meet a lot of people from all over the world who are, well, people. Just the other day I made friends with a dude in Russia. Not once when I was a kid did I believe that an American and a Russian could ever be friends (see why I hate governments so much?), so to me -- even though times have changed so much -- that's pretty dang special. Any-hways.... *twiddles thumbs* :oops:

[em2nought]

Not once when I was a kid did I believe that an American and a Russian could ever be friends (see why I hate governments so much?)

And here I was as a kid believing that me and big gov't could never be friends, this decade is showing that me and big business can't be friends either. Big anything seems to be a Forrest Gump in all the bad ways and none of the good. :arrgh!:

[mookiemookie]

BP rent a cop cuts off media access to a public beach. The cover-up continues:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZHnStD690U

[Admiral8Q]

Sick bastards...BP:nope:

[mookiemookie]

My favorite part was the "oh sh*t" moment the pissant rent a cop had when the real sheriff showed up and laid into him.

[SteamWake]

BP rent a cop cuts off media access to a public beach. The cover-up continues:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dZHnStD690U

We have seen this kind of behaviour before... now where.. .let me think... ;)

http://www.breitbart.tv/congressman-assaults-student-on-washington-sidewalk/

[OneToughHerring]

http://us.cnn.com/2010/US/06/15/oil.spill.disaster/index.html?hpt=T1

"Oil estimate raised to 35,000-60,000 barrels a day"

:nope:

[krashkart]

http://us.cnn.com/2010/US/06/15/oil.spill.disaster/index.html?hpt=T1

"Oil estimate raised to 35,000-60,000 barrels a day"

:nope:


Ayuh. Those numbers just keep adding up, don't they bud? :-? The President was on TV tonight to reassure us that everything is being done to fix it. Didn't really watch him, though.

Did you happen to see the computer models of the predicted reach of the spill? With any luck nature will give us a better model and the oil won't end up in the middle of the Atlantic. :dead:


http://www2.ucar.edu/news/ocean-currents-likely-to-carry-oil-spill-to-atlantic-coast

http://www2.ucar.edu/sites/default/files/news/images/features/2010/oil_slick_map_0.jpg

[OneToughHerring]

Oh, crap. It's headed for Europe, first Ireland & UK and then the rest. :nope:

They better boom it off into the Mexico Gulf or something, no way the rest of the world will forgive the US if this messes up the entire Atlantic.

[krashkart]

Those are only predictions... although I do certainly share some of that fear. It's bad enough to mess up our own coast but if some of that does end up floating around in the swirlies/mucking up other shores, we'll have to figure out how to tell our grandkids how and why that happened.

I'm just gonna keep these fingers crossed. :yep:

[EDIT]

From the looks of that image, Canada will be safe at least. *bonus*

[OneToughHerring]

Not sure about Canada being safe, that thing is going to linger around. Stuff like that is happening all over all the time, oceans being polluted. Like the 'plastic patch' in the Pacific and other oceans / large bodies of water.

[krashkart]

Oh yes, the plastic. :nope: The tourist traps of the future. :yeah::lol:

[Blood_splat]

Executives don't make good engineers.:doh:

[krashkart]

Unless they've had some years at the job, and are actually good at engineering. I kind of wonder how many people on this detail are pulling their hair out with frustration? I'd be frazzled by now. :ping:

[OneToughHerring]

Louisiana lawmakers propose prayer to stop oil disaster

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/06/20/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1

:stare::nope::haha:

[Tchocky]

Seriously though on this side of the Atlantic people are getting fed up with Obama's rhetoric and language and can't help feeling the there is an anti-British sentiment being stirred up and coming out of Obama. Saying that I never thought he cared much for the UK as a partner anyway, or anyone else for that matter.
Good riddance to the "special relationship".

Seriously. Dave Cameron used the US a punching bag during the election campaign and nobody cared. Good to see people in the US and UK giving less of a toss what the other is doing.

[Morts]

Louisiana lawmakers propose prayer to stop oil disaster

http://edition.cnn.com/2010/US/06/20/gulf.oil.spill/index.html?hpt=T1

:stare::nope::haha:

stupidity at work:damn:

[CaptainHaplo]

Leave it to CNN to botch the story up. Simply put, legistlators put forth the call for a statewide day of prayer - on sunday. Its simply a reminder to all people of faith (and it was a non-demoninational call) to hold to their beliefs and offer prayer for the situation.

Leave it to some here at subsim to ridicule anything having to do with faith.

It should be noted that when most organized religions get together for such activities, they usually also go out and DO in an attempt to help - thus this is also a call to help organize additional help and manpower. How terrible.

:nope:

[Morts]

Leave it to CNN to botch the story up. Simply put, legistlators put forth the call for a statewide day of prayer - on sunday. Its simply a reminder to all people of faith (and it was a non-demoninational call) to hold to their beliefs and offer prayer for the situation.

Leave it to some here at subsim to ridicule anything having to do with faith.

It should be noted that when most organized religions get together for such activities, they usually also go out and DO in an attempt to help - thus this is also a call to help organize additional help and manpower. How terrible.

:nope:
it would help alot more if they would just skip the prayer part and go out and help a bit more instead

[SteamWake]

it would help alot more if they would just skip the prayer part and go out and help a bit more instead

Meh ... alot of folks want to help but are prevented for whatever reason.

I see nothing wrong with saying a prayer.

[CaptainHaplo]

it would help alot more if they would just skip the prayer part and go out and help a bit more instead

That may be the case - but the reality is that for groups to go out and help in an organized fashion, they have to be exactly that - organized. The fact that churches and other groups of faith already have the framework to help make such organization - both manpower and structure - easier to be made use of - is somehow a bad thing?

In some situations, you take what you can get. In this one, so they want to spend an hour saying a prayer before they go do whatever.... as compared to spending 2 hours milling around figuring out the organization of who tells who to go where and do what.

Just because its about people of faith isn't a reason to ridicule it.

And hey - is prayer really going to hurt? After all - some new agers would tell you that a "group consciousness" with a goal can do all kinds of wonders. Same difference.

[Morts]

im just saying, if people are able to go out and help, but pray insted..then they are idiots. if people are unable to go out and help, then choose to pray insted, i couldnt care less.

[XabbaRus]

When did David Cameron use the US as a punch bag?

Look I have never said BP isn't responsible but if you cannot see why people in the UK are getting fed up with Obama and his loud mouthing then you should look back at some further disasters in the past which involved US companies, Bhopal being one.

The special relationship is one that is touted and used quite conveniently when the US government wants UK support on something. Iraq comes to mind with that one.

Also there is an interesting article in a left wing paper here how everyone and his dog is taking advantage of the compensation scheme. eg Strippers trying to claim money cos the fishermen clients can't afford to come and drool over them. If that isn't taking the proverbial I don't know what is.

[STEED]

Is Obama still bashing us Brits? :arrgh!:

[AngusJS]

stupidity at work:damn:
You know you're screwed when you have to start asking the ceiling for help. :DL

[Skybird]

http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1416392020100620


BP Plc estimates that a worst-case scenario rate for the Gulf of Mexico (http://www.reuters.com/subjects/gulf-oil-spill) oil spill could be about 100,000 barrels of oil per day, according to an internal company document released on Sunday by a senior congressional Democrat.

[krashkart]

^^ I pretty much take the numbers reported to us and multiply by two to get a better estimate. We already know it's bad, what we don't know is just how bad it will be a year from now. It ain't over till it's over. :-?

[Skybird]

what we don't know is just how bad it will be a year from now.

Decades. ;)

The parts of Alaska that were hit by the Exxon Valdez disaster still suffer from it, even if the damage may not be visible to the naked eye - ask biologists and sceintists about it.

In the Gulf, we have an oil spill of the ammount of one single Exxon Valdez event every couple of days. Go figure. It would be easier to contain the effects if it would have happened on land, but unfortunately that it happens on the open sea makes it all that much worse.

[OneToughHerring]

Waters of the Gulf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1wZ6XEtSp8
Birds of the Gulf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJd4EM9vKp0

Just so you don't think it's over, or something. :nope:

[Takeda Shingen]

Waters of the Gulf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1wZ6XEtSp8
Birds of the Gulf.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jJd4EM9vKp0

Just so you don't think it's over, or something. :nope:

It leads the news every evening. I don't think anyone believes that it is over.

[krashkart]

I'm still keeping an eye on it. They're monitoring weather activity in the Gulf and preparing for the worst. BP said that their operations around the leak could be halted for a couple of weeks if/when a hurricane develops. No links for ya, only information from what I watched on the television this morning.

Cross your fingers and hope Mother Nature will hold off another month.

[krashkart]

The weather is looking favorable for the time being.

NEW ORLEANS – A tropical depression slamming into parts of Mexico isn't taking aim at the massive Gulf oil spill — for now — though any system can quickly change course and send cleanup efforts grinding to a halt.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100627/ap_on_bi_ge/us_gulf_oil_spill

[krashkart]

The weather isn't going to hold and BP is delaying their efforts to stop the leak. :-?


http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6628050n

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/06/28/eveningnews/main6627942.shtml?tag=currentVideoInfo;videoMetaIn fo

[Platapus]

The weather isn't going to hold and BP is delaying their efforts to stop the leak. :-?



Probably a prudent thing to do until the weather calms down. The last thing we need is another accident.

[krashkart]

Probably a prudent thing to do until the weather calms down. The last thing we need is another accident.

Yeah, I'm not bashing their decision. I was just hoping the storm would go a different direction. So it goes. :)

[SteamWake]

I've been through that area in a tropical storm in a 40'-0" sailboat. It felt like we were in a freakin dinghy. Waves looked as high as our mast (about 55'). Very exciting and not for the faint of heart.

Its all you can do to maintain weather helm. I can just imagine trying to maintain a station in that weather.

[OneToughHerring]

More BP tomfoolery. Covering up the oil on the beaches with dumped sand.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5e0_1278059794

Oil Spill Reaches Florida's White Sandy Beaches

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=514_1278119396

[tater]

Actually, he said the tar layer was like asphalt.

If that is the case, it sounds like covering it is a good idea. It entraps the oil in a sheet of hard material. Later, you could pick it up with a front-loader if you need to, and dump through a screen, collecting the chunks.

No idea if it was intentional or not, but it might be worth looking into, they'll have to think outside the box at some point, that's for sure.

[Platapus]

More BP tomfoolery. Covering up the oil on the beaches with dumped sand.

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=5e0_1278059794

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Looks a little suspect to me. Has anyone seen BP trucking in sand to this area?

It raises some questions

1. Why would BP do this? What do they hope to accomplish by all this expense and logistics? It makes no sense. If they were "successful" their public relations are still in the crapper, if they were discovered, they have much more to lose than they could possibly gain. It does not make sense.

2. Where is this sand coming from? Do we have any reports of BP taking sand from some other beach and trucking it in? There should be a big hole in some beach somewhere.

3. How many truck loads of sand would be necessary to cover this beach? Has anyone seen a convoy of trucks hauling that much sand. I would opine that it would take a lot of trucks and a lot of time.

I remember supporting the 81's Airborne Combat Engineers when they had to raise one of our bombing targets (1 mile diameter) three feet. It took them almost a month and a crap load of equipment. I just don't think BP could clandestinely do this supposed cover up.

4. Has anyone seen BP dumping and spreading the sand on this beach?

In looking at that video, it seems that they are selecting a hypothesis and trying to prove it (without too much evidence).

Are we sure this "covering" is not a natural result of the surges from the tropical storm/hurricane? Evidently is a geologist who claims that this is a natural occurrence.

[url]http://www.pnj.com/article/20100703/NEWS01/7030314/1039/NEWS0601 (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=514_1278119396)

This is the risk of having amateurs try to pretend to be investigative reporters, I guess.

I am not exactly a fan of BP, but I don't think we need to make up stuff to hate them. I would like to see a little more evidence before I can agree that BP is trucking in sand :nope:

[SteamWake]

Jimmy Buffett "It's Bush's fault"...

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/07/06/nasa-official-walks-claim-muslim-outreach-foremost-mission/

Sigh Jimmy go back to wasting away you were more fun then. ;)

By the way all this talk of BP trying to 'cover up' or lessen the appearance is all over the socalist block shortwave broadcasts. There obssesed with it it seems.

[UnderseaLcpl]

You ctrl-v'ed the wrong link, SW. That's the NASA one again.

[Weiss Pinguin]

You ctrl-v'ed the wrong link, SW. That's the NASA one again.
Now they're getting involved with the oil spill too? :nope:

[SteamWake]

You ctrl-v'ed the wrong link, SW. That's the NASA one again.

Durh....

http://www.theboot.com/2010/07/01/jimmy-buffet-show-gulf-shores-alabama/

I think I might need to go waste away a while myself. :haha: