general observation

[I'm goin' down]

While I was on shore leave for several months SH5 hit the market. Apparently, many SH4 forum members for moved to SH5. The volume of new posts is down and many of the major contributors are not here. I feel like it is only a few new Captains and some of the Old Guard standing between folks back home and the ever expanding Japanese Empire.

Perhaps we can get the last of the surviving crew members from the USS Barb, which blew up a locomotive on the Japanese mainland in '44, to take on a final, daring mission, sail to the SH5 forum, blow up its communication equipment, and bring down the site?

My Boat, the SS Barbarinna (i.e. the "little Barb"), looking for SH4 captains:

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj369/wsm24/TMOdesktop1.jpg

My girlfriend:

http://i553.photobucket.com/albums/jj369/wsm24/georgepetty14-1-1.jpg

[Diopos]

Nah, we're a friendly bunch.

But there is a possibility Ubi will blow up the project on her own!

note to self: don't goet into a DRM discussion again :DL



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[nappy]

Even if SH V was the best game ever created i still wouldnt buy it.

I could say it was because of the draconian DRM scheme, but i wont. :rotfl2:

nappy

[cptroyce]

I'm withh you IGD, I enjoy "bringing the sunset to th rising sun"..and with the UBM and OM addons, one has the option of both theatres of conflict.

I'll probably try SH5 sometime; when the subsim modders make it more enjoyable then it was on release.

Royce

[Rockin Robbins]

If you're looking for SH4 multiplayer partners, that has never been popular, even a couple of years ago. I don't really know why, other than the single player aspect is so good.

I've noticed a whole bunch of new players around here and it's heartening. It looks like the failure of SH5 has caused many looking for a good sub simulator to take a good look at SH4. They won't be disappointed here.

I predict no more patches or updates for SH5. Ubi will not even talk about SH5 in the future. At some point they will, probably without announcement, shut off the servers and all those SH5 DVDs will just be bad drink coasters with a hole in the middle. I think it's dead, Jim. (as Bones would say to Captain Kirk)

However, Silent Hunter 4 stands triumphant, showing that Ubi was capable of producing something much better, but chose not to. SH4 is not without defects, but it plays magnificently!

[Madox58]

If you get just the right grip on the SH5 DVD,
Then flick it just right?
It sails pretty far!

I know a Guy that uses it in that Frisbie Golf thing.

[McHibbins]

If you're looking for SH4 multiplayer partners, that has never been popular, even a couple of years ago. I don't really know why, other than the single player aspect is so good.

I've noticed a whole bunch of new players around here and it's heartening. It looks like the failure of SH5 has caused many looking for a good sub simulator to take a good look at SH4. They won't be disappointed here.

I predict no more patches or updates for SH5. Ubi will not even talk about SH5 in the future. At some point they will, probably without announcement, shut off the servers and all those SH5 DVDs will just be bad drink coasters with a hole in the middle. I think it's dead, Jim. (as Bones would say to Captain Kirk)

However, Silent Hunter 4 stands triumphant, showing that Ubi was capable of producing something much better, but chose not to. SH4 is not without defects, but it plays magnificently!

:yep:

[I'm goin' down]

If you're looking for SH4 multiplayer partners, that has never been popular, even a couple of years ago. I don't really know why, other than the single player aspect is so good.

I've noticed a whole bunch of new players around here and it's heartening. It looks like the failure of SH5 has caused many looking for a good sub simulator to take a good look at SH4. They won't be disappointed here.

I predict no more patches or updates for SH5. Ubi will not even talk about SH5 in the future. At some point they will, probably without announcement, shut off the servers and all those SH5 DVDs will just be bad drink coasters with a hole in the middle. I think it's dead, Jim. (as Bones would say to Captain Kirk)

However, Silent Hunter 4 stands triumphant, showing that Ubi was capable of producing something much better, but chose not to. SH4 is not without defects, but it plays magnificently!

Your post reminds of situations where a new manager takes over a department. Although he may not be suited for the job, the owners of the company may not come to grips with that fact for a long time. Therein lies the rub. Former SH4 Captains may drift back to the forum, but it could be slowly and may take a long time. Plus, those new to the game are only purchasing SH5 in many cases. In the meantime, our forum has lost some great talent. Will it recover its former glory? My head tells me, "No," but my heart holds a slim hope that is could.

Plus, the action in the forum was as good as the game!

[swellfella]

Said I didn't want to get into whole SH5-DRM mix since I'd already boned a copy from ebay way less than market rate (any rate is toomuch, I hear ya); but ah never gave up on SH4...and now four daze of moddin' SH4 all I can say is: wish I knew then what I know now! SH4 (Uboats/mods) is baaad! SH5 can't touch it! Play SH5, for what? SH4 offers all that and more...and no-D-R-friggin' M. Yeah, I said it!:woot:


ps-Know anybody want a slightly used sub sim?

[raymond6751]

Relax. SH4 and yes, SH3 are like a great book. You never toss em. They stay on the shelf and you value them more each time you take em down.

You'll read other books. (play other games) Then you pick up the old fave and revisit like an old friend.

They'll all be back.

[Red Devil]

Even if SH V was the best game ever created i still wouldnt buy it.

I could say it was because of the draconian DRM scheme, but i wont. :rotfl2:

nappy Nor me. As a WW2 researcher by hobby, I know what 'our side' went through, and even by simulation, am never going to sink 'my own'. Staying in the Pacific thanks.

[I'm goin' down]

Said I didn't want to get into whole SH5-DRM mix since I'd already boned a copy from ebay way less than market rate (any rate is toomuch, I hear ya); but ah never gave up on SH4...and now four daze of moddin' SH4 all I can say is: wish I knew then what I know now! SH4 (Uboats/mods) is baaad! SH5 can't touch it! Play SH5, for what? SH4 offers all that and more...and no-D-R-friggin' M. Yeah, I said it!:woot:

ps-Know anybody want a slightly used sub sim?

I started SH4 without a clue about submarine warfare and only took up manual targeting after RR gave me a medal for hiting a target aimed at when in auto targeting mode. I was quite proud of that achievement, if that is what you could call it, until I realized all the guffaws I heard were from battle hardened veterans snickering about an incompetent new captain. Chagrined, I read all the tutorials, studied the videos, and with the advent of the Easy Aob mod, joined the ranks of the few, the proud, the crazy and the addicted (captains, that is!). Then I had the misfortune of getting hooked on TMO1.9. Other than the graphics, what can be better (i.e. more terrible)? And when I saw the screen shots of a boat in SH5 cruising amidst the sunbathers on shore and heading ((i.e., proceeding) directly into into a forest I had seen enough. SH5 has more than just a few kinks to work out. As the French would say, "Oh, la, la, monsieur Cap-e-tan!." Call me old fashioned, but SH5 ain't no Apple I Phone. I like it right here--amongst my brothers -- the few, the proud, the insane, the heroes.

[Red Devil]

until I realized all the guffaws I heard were from battle hardened veterans snickering about the incompetent newcomer. whats so incompetent about that? Shame on you all, its only a game :salute:

[magic452]

Well I'm a Fleetboats man myself so SH4 is my game all the way.
All the good action is in the PTO, invasions, fleet battles, etc.
More places to go and things to do than the ATO.

I'm still doing TMO 1.5, trying to finish a career, so I got 1.9 (or 2.0 hint hint) not to mention RFB. If I get a U boat urge maybe Operation Monsoon.

As far as 5 goes I'll wait. It just isn't a game I am very interested in.
I'll see how the patches, if there are any, and mods take it.
The graphics are great, a full sub is OK but not necessary and all the rest just leaves me flat. The UI, AI and all the other I's just don't make it.

We have seen a number of new captains here and I enjoy seeing them advance from noob to seasoned skipper. Some of them are disappointed SH5 guys and others are like Swellfella, long time member but not a big poster, meeting some new "old" guys now. There have been quit a few since 5 was released.

Magic

[Rockin Robbins]

If you get just the right grip on the SH5 DVD,
Then flick it just right?
It sails pretty far!

I know a Guy that uses it in that Frisbie Golf thing.
http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa293/RockinRobbins13/smileys/him.gifGo to your corner young man! That is just too funny to be allowed on Subsim.:har:

I wouldn't be flicking my SH5 disk like that if I had paid money for the thing. It's not dead quite yet!

[G2B]

Yep seems allot of "new" old captains and quite a few "new" new captains, most just post a couple times looking for help then go out on patrol :salute: Then there are probably quite a few lurkers :shifty: who may never post.

Everyone comes and goes as the R.W. permits, and we all know the R.W. can be a P.I.T.A.

[Sailor Steve]

Even if SH V was the best game ever created i still wouldnt buy it.

I could say it was because of the draconian DRM scheme, but i wont. :rotfl2:

nappy
I'm so glad you didn't.:D

Since this is the SH4 forum I don't think anybody's going to get too worked up about it. I will buy SH5 as soon as it shrugs off its chains. I love submarines, period. I played AOD, and I played SH1. SH2 was fun for multiplayer, but not much else. I play SH3 modded all to (insert netherworld of your choice here). I play SH4 U-boats. I'll play the fleet boats too, if I ever get there. You see, I have this anal fixation about multiple careers all in a nice neat row, so I'll keep playing in the Atlantic until I get to 1941, and since I also have the bad habit of restarting for cool new mods that might not happen in this lifetime.

I too have high hopes for SH5, but until the DRM is gone I won't know if I'll like it or not. I just wish SH4 had the names functions given by SH3 Commander. I have a thing about ship names.:sunny:

[VonGlaus]

Still here, still playing. Just not posting much. No interest in moving on.

[Admiral8Q]

I'm not buying a game that forces you to be online in order to use it.:nope:

Join Captain McConnell!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Khrpy4V0-U4

[McHibbins]

SH5 = SH2 = :/\\chop

[Admiral8Q]

SH5 = SH2 = :/\\chop
Actually SH2 was a blast!:hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

Actually SH2 was a blast!:hmmm:
It had great multiplayer with Destroyer Command, but no Career Mode at all. Twenty-one missions and you're done. Die, and start the mission over. Fail, and start the mission over. That one really was an FPS game.:down:

[I'm goin' down]

I have been trying to find games on UBI multi player site. But I am the only one that shows up. I do not have a mic. Is that a big deal?

[McHibbins]

It had great multiplayer with Destroyer Command, but no Career Mode at all. Twenty-one missions and you're done. Die, and start the mission over. Fail, and start the mission over. That one really was an FPS game.:down:

Steve, SH5 isn´t much better . The campaign, more interesting than SH2´s in the one hand, sucks in the other.

I mean,for example, if it is necessary to sink a aircraftcarrier to go further in the campaign.....:damn:

[peabody]

I have been trying to find games on UBI multi player site. But I am the only one that shows up. I do not have a mic. Is that a big deal?

If you are the only one there, I don't think the lack of a Mic matters much. :D

Peabody

[I'm goin' down]

If you are the only one there, I don't think the lack of a Mic matters much. :D
Peabody


Har Har, and a Hearty Har Har.:hmmm:

(ps. found the mic, but it has an echo..echo..echo when I speak.)

[Red Devil]

Har Har, and a Hearty Har Har.:hmmm:

(ps. found the mic, but it has an echo..echo..echo when I speak.)

adjust your duplex or perspex or whatever its called ;)

[swellfella]

Some of them are...like Swellfella, long time member but not a big poster...Magic

Between playing one of my tens of sub games (from Fast Attack to SHV), viewing one of my slew of flicks (from Crash Dive to BELOW), or plucking a choice morsel from my ample volumes (from Ice Diaries to The Terrible Hours), or adding Renwal's Andrew Jackson to my showcase of model subs, or crossing yet another museum boat off my bucket list (Just embarked from the Nautilus, truly a marvel of human undertaking!), I just don't have the time! Truth is, I find it so fantastical and wondrous I seldom formulate an inquiry before it's satisfied in such a wealth of particulars and obvious respect and warmth for the subject, it leads to yet still more wonder and awe of the seas and submarine lore. What more can I say? :03:

[WarlordATF]

I think i'll be sticking with SH4 also. Theres just too many things i don't like about SH5. The DRM, the UI, Its over-priced IMO and No Fleetboats are just a few of the reasons i'll be playing SH4 for quite awhile.

[Red Devil]

SH4 fans have been well looked after in here over the past 3 years, and a new release does not mean a revitalised sim. Me too staying with SH4.

[Harmsway!]

I plan to pick up SH5 the moment they ditch DRM. Fleet Boats is what I love though so SH4 will be with me for a long time to come.

[Steelkilt]

Maybe UBI will come up with a "Fleet Boats of The Pacific" addon. 5.5

My problem is the DRM. My internet availibility is in the dark ages. I'm retired in Thailand. I use wi-fi from an adjacent apt building here in Bangkok. Building a house in SiSaKet. I'll have good satellite there...SK

[Red Devil]

Waiting for add ons from Ubi? don't hold your breath ;)