Nikimcbee's solution to the N Korea crisis

[nikimcbee]

I was discussing the subject with a korean engineer that I work with. Here is my idea. We need to inflict maximum damage on N Korea, so they will know not to mess with the West anymore.
Since they have no economy or anything valuable to bomb, what do we attack?

We'll here's where the mcbee plan comes in.:hmmm:

1. Cut off KJI netflix account.
2. scramble KJI's satelite TV connection.
3. Bomb KJI's DVD bunker.
4. Bomb the factory that makes the paris hilton sunglasses and HRC commie pantsuits.

That should bring him to his knees. Deprive him what is most important.:up:
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Sure, there will be the local trolls (subsim) here that will scream:
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But, if you want to make an omlette, you gotta break some eggs.

[TLAM Strike]

I propose the "TLAM Plan":

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[Weiss Pinguin]

It's the only way to be sure.

[GoldenRivet]

Fu*kin A

[TarJak]

I thought this was The McBee Solution:
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[nikimcbee]

I thought this was The McBee Solution:
http://images.teamsugar.com/files/upl1/10/104166/41_2008/peeing-dog.xlarge.jpg

That's part 2. We feed the mcbees Rocky and Boudreaux some broccoli, generic soft dogfood, then launch them into the North! No creature can survive the Boston gas!:stare:

[Admiral8Q]

Don't forget to put some TNT along the border...
http://www.geekologie.com/2007/12/10/tnt-bomb-clock.jpg

[Zachstar]

You also have to make sure you bomb his porn collection.

Jokes aside tho. If NK makes good on its threat and starts lobbing artillery. KJI will die in his dream of hell on earth. Sad thing is millions would likely go with him. NK artillery could kill hundreds of thousands of people if its not countered fast enough and you can bet your ass they will send human waves of people who have been taught from birth to revere him as some sort of super person or god. Millions....

I just hope this joke will be funny next month.

[Admiral8Q]

If NK makes good on its threat and starts lobbing artillery. KJI will die in his dream of hell on earth. Sad thing is millions would likely go with him. NK artillery could kill hundreds of thousands of people if its not countered fast enough and you can bet your ass they will send human waves of people who have been taught from birth to revere him as some sort of super person or god. Millions....

That's what Canadian snipers are for. Take out the leader.:yep:

[raymond6751]

Instead of dropping explosives, from high altitudes, drop food and propaganda to his starving millions. Let them take care of him.

Put a really big price on his head.

Stop paying N. Korea to be nice. All of that money is going into his military anyway. (or his private Swiss bank account)

Sow food crop seeds from the air across the land, to grow food that doesn't have to be government controlled.

Sow counterfeit N. Korean money everywhere in the countryside, by air, to undermine his currency.

[Admiral8Q]

Instead of dropping explosives, from high altitudes, drop food and propaganda to his starving millions. Let them take care of him.

Put a really big price on his head.

Stop paying N. Korea to be nice. All of that money is going into his military anyway. (or his private Swiss bank account)

Sow food crop seeds from the air across the land, to grow food that doesn't have to be government controlled.

Sow counterfeit N. Korean money everywhere in the countryside, by air, to undermine his currency.
Wow, you really have it down pat! You should be a Canadian General!!! :cool::03:

[TLAM Strike]

Wow, you really have it down pat! You should be a Canadian General!!! :cool::03:

Sorry but this is why Canada never won a war...
(^Kidding, I'm a fan of my neighbors to the north but there are problems with your ideas...)


Instead of dropping explosives, from high altitudes, drop food and propaganda to his starving millions. Let them take care of him. I'm sure the million troops + police will let them keep that.

"That food is confiscated in the name of the Dear Leader!" *Whack*

Listening to South Korean radio is a crime in the North, I imagine the punishment for reading propaganda leaflets would be quite draconian...

Put a really big price on his head. How did that work out with Osama Bin Laden?

Stop paying N. Korea to be nice. All of that money is going into his military anyway. (or his private Swiss bank account) Only one here that makes sense... :up:

Sow food crop seeds from the air across the land, to grow food that doesn't have to be government controlled. Again troops with guns who can tell you where to live. Plus the North is mostly mountains so there is little farmland and its hard to sow seeds without someone on the ground unless you are sowing weeds.

Sow counterfeit N. Korean money everywhere in the countryside, by air, to undermine his currency. The NK Won is already worthless. it takes 142 NKW to equal 1 USD. Some stores in the DPRK don't accept their own currency they only accept the USD or Japanese Yen. Most of the DPRK's manufacturing capabilities are geared to military production and the DPRK can't export weapons (legally) so getting foreign currency is hard, their only real export is ore- which is not hard to get elsewhere.

[Jimbuna]

I'm simply hoping all the NK offensive capability hardware is plotted accurately and on a target map/list with adequate means allocated to take it out quickly and effectively if and when the shooting starts.

[nikimcbee]

You also have to make sure you bomb his porn collection.

Jokes aside tho. If NK makes good on its threat and starts lobbing artillery. KJI will die in his dream of hell on earth. Sad thing is millions would likely go with him. NK artillery could kill hundreds of thousands of people if its not countered fast enough and you can bet your ass they will send human waves of people who have been taught from birth to revere him as some sort of super person or god. Millions....

I just hope this joke will be funny next month.

Yeah, joking aside, if this actually turns into a fight, I wonder if there would be any foreign intervention like the last time (see China, Russia). I hope SK has a good counter battery fireplan

[TLAM Strike]

I hope SK has a good counter battery fireplan

Lets see the ROK and USFK has access to US recce sats, dones, GPS and laser range finding for plotting counter battery fire.

The DPRK has access to Google Earth on the Dear Leaders laptop and a pair of Zeiss binocs.

I would go with the south. I bet every tube the ROK and USFK has along the the DMZ has all the critical DPRK targets line up and ready to go at a moments notice. :ping:

[nikimcbee]

The NK army will only last as long as they have food. Once they run out, its game over. And how are their food supplies now?:hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

The NK army will only last as long as they have food. Once they run out, its game over. And how are their food supplies now?:hmmm:

Unless they get through the DMZ and the SK aren't able to clear out the food cupboards in a timely fashion :hmmm:

[TLAM Strike]

The NK army will only last as long as they have food. Once they run out, its game over. And how are their food supplies now?:hmmm:
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[Ducimus]

Ahh, Korea. A subject that will always be near and dear to my heart since i've been been across the pond to "visit" that bastard country twice.

I have the best idea EVER, to resolve our problems there.
Withdraw all our troops and let those racist little bastards solve their own problems. yes i said racist. Most Koreans have what one might call, "excessive pride". Point blank, they are a proud and stupid people.

Anyone not pure blood is looked down upon. "Ameriasians" may as well be living in the US circa 1960. American troops, are in many parts of the country resented, and trod upon. Yes i know, novel concept, "Gasp! OMG we're not loved?!"

They know enough english to tell you, "NO GI here, you GO!", "GI Go home" and a few others. We are considered "dirty" apparently. Any bar or resturant Americans happen to visit, the locals no longer will go there. Which gives owners plenty of reason to deny service. Being told to leave a resturant because i was an american is a memory that will always last.

Korea is called, "The land of the morning calm". To those of us who served there, we called it, "the land of the not quite right". I could talk about Korea for hours, but my bottom line is,

"F*ck em!, Let them sort their own problems."

If the ROK and DPRK resumed full scale war, i wouldn't shead a single tear so long as we're not involved. Their country, their problem. Screw em.

[Zachstar]

So you were there 40 years ago and still dislike the people Do you have any idea how they have changed into a high tech society and how access to info changes any people?

Regardless we have a treaty with them. We are legally bound to support them with military in the event of an hostile act by NK.

Also if the line is broken and NK tanks get across and south. The fighting would leave untold millions dead and the economy in ruins. That would mean markets around the world would go to near depression levels within weeks.

[Ducimus]

So you were there 40 years ago and still dislike the people Do you have any idea how they have changed into a high tech society and how access to info changes any people?

I was there in 94, 95, and 99. I said i served there, i didn't say i was there in the korean war in the 1950's. Lots of people have served there since an annual tour is still, "360 days and a wake up".

But yeah, ive seen Korea and it's changes. They've been trying to become a 1st world nation in one generation. Korea is the happy land of the escavator. THey use it for EVERYTHING. Right along with pumper trucks. They slop that runny soup everywhere, and then they wonder why their malls and bridges fall down. I remember seeing one adashi measuring the elevation of a pile with a freaking ruler.


Regardless we have a treaty with them. We are legally bound to support them with military in the event of an hostile act by NK.

Seems to me there people don't want us there, and they made sure we knew it. Treaty? What - freaking - ever.


Also if the line is broken and NK tanks get across and south. The fighting would leave untold millions dead and the economy in ruins. That would mean markets around the world would go to near depression levels within weeks.

Would suck to be them wouldn't it? What was it they told me and my buddies,... oh yes... "GI GO HOME!". Sure, no problem. As if your typical GI wanted to be there anyway. One buddy of mine had some punk adashi body slam into his shoulder when he was just walking down the street minding his own buisness and got a "welcome to korea" to go along with the forceful slam. Kinda lets one know how they REALLY feel about us.

Again, Screw em. I don't care of that entire penninsula goes up on flame. Infact, id rather enjoy hearing them beg for us to return.

No im not bitter.. not at all. :shifty:

[Zachstar]

So your anger at yalls treatment means you dont care when untold numbers of innocent people go into deep poverty when the markets crash when SK's economy implodes... I see

[Platapus]

Lots of people have served there since an annual tour is still, "360 days and a wake up".

Been there got the cheap t-shirts. :nope:

It is still my belief that this is a South Korean issue and that South Korea needs to solve it in a way that supports South Korean agendas.

Just because the United States has a defensive pact with South Korea does not mean that the US military is the tool of the South Korean government.

If the war escalates and South Korea seems to be losing, only then should American forces be commuted.

A defensive agreement does not mean that the US is the first to fight nor does it mean that the US solves a South Korean problem. We will help South Korea solve their problems... that means that the South Koreans do the heavy liftin.

To be brutally honest, and this is only my opinion, the two times I was over in Korea, I did not see anything that would be worth American lives. :nope:

I am, admittedly, pretty picky over what we sacrifice American lives for. :yep:

The United States spent a lot of tax dollars equipping and training the South Korean military forces. How about the South Korean's start taking care of their own defense for a change before we put any more American lives at risk.

Frankly, if it were up to me, I would pull all American forces out of South Korea. Just because they want a 60 year old war going on, does not mean that we have to stay there. :nope:

[Zachstar]

Even if we were to break treaty and leave it would take years. You cant close a base overnight and also classified material would have to be carefully taken out. You cant do that in a panic.

[Platapus]

Even if we were to break treaty and leave it would take years. You cant close a base overnight and also classified material would have to be carefully taken out. You cant do that in a panic.


Good point, but it should not take the US 57 years and counting to package up the classified and unass the area. :D

[Zachstar]

Regardless we are there and we will have to fight. I just hope china would invade if NK opens fire. NK needs a change and even being a offshoot of china beats it being in its current situation. Atleast the people can get an education and do something other than worshiping KJI.

[TLAM Strike]

Just because the United States has a defensive pact with South Korea does not mean that the US military is the tool of the South Korean government. Have you seen these dudes play Starcraft? The little Asian buggers can organize forces, and devise strategy with near mystical abilities that far surpass any white man. :DL

[Ducimus]

Been there got the cheap t-shirts. :nope:


Your sir, have just earned my respect.


Just because the United States has a defensive pact with South Korea does not mean that the US military is the tool of the South Korean government.


Wholeheartedly agreed.


To be brutally honest, and this is only my opinion, the two times I was over in Korea, I did not see anything that would be worth American lives. :nope:


Apparently this is an opinion we both share. Glad to see im not completely out in the deep end.


I am, admittedly, pretty picky over what we sacrifice American lives for. :yep:

Adashi, Agashi, Odgema, and Haroboji ain't worth it to me. Not the way i saw them treat us, and i saw ALOT of time away from "americanized areas" due to my job. Some have never seen us before, most hate our guts. Taegu is a good example. Not a place to be if your a GI.


The United States spent a lot of tax dollars equipping and training the South Korean military forces.

I don't think many people realize just how many tax dollars are being sunk into that pennensula. Nevermind the KATUSA's, there's all the army camps, two US Air bases, and WRM assets in warehouses. (Found an old 1950-1960, straight six stake bed truck in one of em. 3 on the column shifting, with less then 600 miles on it believe it or not)


Frankly, if it were up to me, I would pull all American forces out of South Korea. Just because they want a 60 year old war going on, does not mean that we have to stay there. :nope:

Whole heartedly agreed. When i was nieve, I went there thinking we were doing good. I left there royally embittered, but alot wiser.

Even if we were to break treaty and leave it would take years. You cant close a base overnight and also classified material would have to be carefully taken out. You cant do that in a panic.

My unit could do a phase 3 mobility upload in 48 hours or less. That's when your unbolting the shop machinery and loading it on flatbeds.

[Platapus]

Adashi, Agashi, and Haroboji ain't worth it to me. Not the way i saw them treat us, and i saw ALOT of time away from "americanized areas" due to my job. Some have never seen us before, most hate our guts. Taegu is a good example. Not a place to be if your a GI.

I can only relate to my observations in 1988 and 1995 when I was there. It was mostly the young people who hated us. There were plenty of old Koreans who appreciated us. But in the 22 years since I was first there, I am sure many many of the old-timers died off leaving only the younglings who have never experienced Korea without an American umbrella.

It is sorta like a spoiled teenager bitching about his parents while relying on them for his very survival. :nope:

[Ducimus]

You were there in 95? Where abouts?

[Platapus]

You were there in 95? Where abouts?

In 95 I was only there TDY. My full one year "vacation" was in 88-89. I was stationed at Osan but often worked at CP-T and Seoul.

I loved the food, and the shopping, before the Olympics was nice. Like the USA, I met a lot of different types of people - the good, the bad, and the ugly.. Most of the time, if you treated them with respect, they would treat you with respect. But I honestly did not believe in the mission over there. Often I thought our job was to keep the South Koreans for invading the North.

In 95, I was up in Seoul. It was up there that I experienced something that would have been unheard of in the 1980's -- A shopkeeper was rude to us. Some of my friends said that the Olympics sure changed South Korea, and not for the better.

To me an American GI's life is pretty valuable. It is not a resource to be squandered.

Sorry for the rants, but as an old rusty GI, American GI's getting killed is a touchy topic with me.

[Ducimus]

My first time there, was in 94/95 as i said earlier. It was an "oh schitt" time, as we REALLY thought we were going to war soon at the time. (but that happens alot, ) My home station was at Osan, but i was rarely there. I was all over the penninsula. Camp Humprhies, Suwon, Kwang Ju, Taegu, Chong Ju, and a couple other places im probably forgetting.

The food was ok I thought, but some of the resturants outside of Osan were umm.. not very hygenic. (theres a story attached to that statement). I never did try Gaegoki. No thanks.

>>Often I thought our job was to keep the South Koreans for invading the North.

I've heard that ALOT. I sometimes wondered if it was true.

>>It was up there that I experienced something that would have been unheard of in the 1980's -- A shopkeeper was rude to us

I got used to rude, but some things were a bit beyond rude. Thats what i remember the most.

>>Some of my friends said that the Olympics sure changed South Korea, and not for the better

I heard that too from the old timers. Thats when they got "excessively proud" . Something changed in their national phychi (sp) with that event.

>>Sorry for the rants,

I have ranted about this far more then you have.

[CaptainHaplo]

Please - no talking about 95.... That was not a good year. Though my time in Korea was very short - I had to stay less than 12 hours.

I will say this - I would MUCH rather have stayed in Eilot than have had to take that flight to Osan. I still wonder if I ever recovered all the a$$ that got chewed there.

[Platapus]

I have ranted about this far more then you have.

Good to run in to other people who have done tours there.

As we used to say about Korea. If you have not been there STFU. :har::har::har:

[Ducimus]

Yeah, Korea is one of those places that one wouldn't understand unless they had been there.

I've been there twice, so i guess i have my license to b*tch. You know whats crazy? I never did take a mid tour leave. I got so used to living one day at a time, home became a distant memory. I had a choice, go on another TDY and build reventments, or take mid tour. I asked myself, "Why go home? There's no one waiting for me." So, i went to Kwang Ju for 41.50 a day per diem instead. :woot:

edit: Man, i made so much in per diem its sick. (I was basicly TDY most of the time) Give you two guesses where all the per diem ended up at.

[Ducimus]

Weeee.... business as usual in the Land of the not quite right.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/05/25/north-korea-ship-retaliation.html
http://i.telegraph.co.uk/telegraph/multimedia/archive/00789/fencing_460_080812__789751c.jpg

I just developed a theory, like 2 seconds ago. That theory is that the brinkmanship on the Korean peninsula, is on, roughly, a 5 to 7 year or so rotational cycle.

[scudhawk]

Maybe you will change your mind if you know that someone in that country playing SH4 with TMO, like me. :)

Joking aside, there are only few Koreans who deny the necessity of USFK, and over 80% of population think that station of US Forces is essential for peace in this region. In fact, many of us appreciate military assistence of US, including myself.

I feel sorry about your unhappy experiences about South Korea, but there are many more Koreans who like US - at least, don't dislike US - then those who dislike US. Minorities often use extreme measures to show thier opinion, so it may seems like that they are representing major public, but they are not, as KKK doesn't represent the majority of US citizen.

Our tree of prosperity is standing on the sacrifices of soldiers of foriegn and domestic, who risked and still risking thier lives to save freedom and liberty of this small country. It is shameful that some people ignore that fact, but most of us remember and appreciate it.

I just want you to know that.

[CaptainHaplo]

Nice one there Scudhawk. :yeah:

Oh - and welcome aboard! :arrgh!:

[Task Force]

welcome scudhawk

yep, there is good and bad in all, or in this case, some that do, and some that dont like the us.

[STEED]

Old Doug would say..."Told you so, we should have wiped those damn commies off the earth when we had the chance." :hmmm:

[Jimbuna]

You take care....keep out of the line of fire, should it materialise.

[Bubblehead1980]

Instead of dropping explosives, from high altitudes, drop food and propaganda to his starving millions. Let them take care of him.

Put a really big price on his head.

Stop paying N. Korea to be nice. All of that money is going into his military anyway. (or his private Swiss bank account)

Sow food crop seeds from the air across the land, to grow food that doesn't have to be government controlled.

Sow counterfeit N. Korean money everywhere in the countryside, by air, to undermine his currency.


good plan, thing is all the Liberals would complain and the POS known as the UN , with countries like Russia and China would prob :cry: Oh I forgot France.

Who the hell gave china veto power? they should be slapped.Was it Nixon? :damn:

[Platapus]

Who the hell gave china veto power? they should be slapped.Was it Nixon? :damn:

The same group of people who made the mistake of giving the US a veto.

The only way the nuclear powers (US, China, USSR, France, and UK) would agree to the charter of the UN is if they had special perks.

In the UN, all member states are equal, it is just that those with the nukes are more equal that the others.

Article 27 paragraph 3 of the UN Charter has been a travesty since the incorporation of the United Nations. Fat chance any of the nuke-five will ever agree to change paragraph 3 though, so we are stuck with it.

I can understand the nuke-five being permanent members of the SC, but that veto rule makes the SC an undemocratic oligarchy, and with the history of the misuse (abuse?) of Article 39, an oligarchy is not in the best interest of the member states.

[TLAM Strike]

Who the hell gave china veto power? they should be slapped.Was it Nixon? :damn:
The permanent members of the security council were the major members of the Allies in WWII. When the Nationalist were chased off the mainland on to Taiwan the members of the UN voted to make the PRC the "Recognized" China in the UN.

[Jimbuna]

The same group of people who made the mistake of giving the US a veto.

The only way the nuclear powers (US, China, USSR, France, and UK) would agree to the charter of the UN is if they had special perks.

In the UN, all member states are equal, it is just that those with the nukes are more equal that the others.

Article 27 paragraph 3 of the UN Charter has been a travesty since the incorporation of the United Nations. Fat chance any of the nuke-five will ever agree to change paragraph 3 though, so we are stuck with it.

I can understand the nuke-five being permanent members of the SC, but that veto rule makes the SC an undemocratic oligarchy, and with the history of the misuse (abuse?) of Article 39, an oligarchy is not in the best interest of the member states.

Spot on sir :salute:

[August]

I feel sorry about your unhappy experiences about South Korea, but there are many more Koreans who like US - at least, don't dislike US - then those who dislike US. Minorities often use extreme measures to show thier opinion, so it may seems like that they are representing major public, but they are not, as KKK doesn't represent the majority of US citizen.

You aren't alone either. This pretty much describes the German peoples feelings toward the foreign troops stationed there during the 1970's and 80's.