Silent Hunter 3 vs. Silent Hunter 5 ... who's the best?

[sbarrumba]

I think SH3 is much higher in many aspects .... ignoring the graphic detail of SH3 that undoubtedly does not reach the levels of sh5 one can not see the clear difference related to playability and realism achieved by SH3.
you can not just say that sh5 can match this SH3.
you having to walk 2 km of submarine to reach the gun and then having to make another 2 km to tell the helmsman to turn left? if only these details I think we can rule the winner.

[Arclight]

Not this again. :yawn:

In before trolls. :DL

[jwilliams]

Sure ATM SH3 is better than SH5. But in time SH5 will be the same, only with Better graphics and the ability to walk around your sub.

So in a year or so SH5 will be better than SH3. all the things that SH5 lacks will be added over time.

So imagine SH3 with better graphics, ability to walk everywhere and improved AI..... SH5 will win this battle, i'm sure of it. :yep:

:salute:

[Madox58]

I'll go for SH5 kickin' arse in time.
In before the Trolls myself.
:up:

[Fincuan]

SH4 :yeah:

[Weather-guesser]

Apples and oranges :yawn:

[Ducimus]

SH4 :yeah:

I'll go along with that. SH4 is like two sub sim's rolled into one. :O:

[THE_MASK]

With mods your argument is blown out of the water :har:

[ERPP8]

http://subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=169631

[Ducimus]

With mods your argument is blown out of the water :har:


Ok, i'll take the bait. This depends on what your looking for.

- Fully working functionality but a bit shy on eyecandy? Sh3.

- Partially working functionallity, more choices, some eye candy improvements? Sh4.

- Partially working functionality, fewer choices, and massive eye candy improvements? SH5.

[Madox58]

It's going to turn into a Beer commercial here real quick!

Less filling!
More taste!
:haha:

[Ducimus]

I LOVE miller lite. My favorite beer. It IS less filling and tastes great. Gimme a frosty long neck!

[Madox58]

I'm an old Busch Beer drinker myself.
I change from time to time.
But I really don't like anything Lite.

Here's tipping the Long Neck to ya!
:salute:

[JScones]

I'll go along with that. SH4 is like two sub sim's rolled into one. :O:
:rotfl2:

Wouldn't that make SH5 three sub sims rolled into one? :haha:

[Ducimus]

:rotfl2:

Wouldn't that make SH5 three sub sims rolled into one? :haha:


:hmmm: You know... if one were to look at SH5 strictly from a file/resource point of view, your absolutely correct. :haha:

[Madox58]

From Beer commercial to Gum commercial.
:haha:

We should get some sort of check for this, eh?
:hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

Beefaroni!

Beefaghetti!

Remember that one?


I think SH3 is much higher in many aspects .... ignoring the graphic detail of SH3 that undoubtedly does not reach the levels of sh5 one can not see the clear difference related to playability and realism achieved by SH3.
you can not just say that sh5 can match this SH3.
you having to walk 2 km of submarine to reach the gun and then having to make another 2 km to tell the helmsman to turn left? if only these details I think we can rule the winner.
Have you by chance read any of the threads on this forum? People have been having this argument for two months now. People love different games for different reasons, and some defend those reasons with knives and guns - verbal equivalents, anyway.

Those who are unhappy with SH5 will tell you that SH3 is better. This is subjective. Better to say which you like more.

Those who are fascinated by SH5 and can ignore its current shortcomings will tell you that you don't have to walk 2 km to do anything. And mods are making that better every day.

I'm sorry for saying starting this thread was a bad idea. You may not have known what it's like around here when these things crop up. So far this one has been tame, because everybody's in a joking mood.

Oh, and WELCOME ABOARD!:sunny:

[Madox58]

Give it time Steve.
This thread will go South faster then my trip to Fredericksburg!
That took 9 hours driveing time to get down there.
Want to start a Pool on how fast this thread goes South?
:haha:

[Ducimus]

Truthfully, i like SH5's " having to walk 2 km of submarine to reach the gun". I think it adds a missing tactical element. The tactical picture when conducting an attack change rapidly, and a real captain couldn't appear at the periscope, and then reappear at the hydrophones like a fart in the wind like you can with the press of a hotkey in SH3/SH4. So you have to plan out your own movements, or anticipate where you might need to place yourself. I kinda like that.

[jwilliams]

I use my Crew to fire guns etc. Like a real captain would.

And back to beer.....

I prefer kronenbourg 1664, Unfortently its difficult to find in New Zealand. :wah:

http://www.united-nations-of-beer.com/images/kronenbourg-1664-beer-21137993.jpg

[Moeceefus]

i prefer sh5. i just do and thats ok. you prefer what you prefer, and i prefer what i prefer. its a good thing.

[GoldenRivet]

I think the next sub simulator will blow us all away:up:

a modern day subsim set in any one of three fictional campaigns in various oceans.

[Bleh]

"If Carling did sub sims"

[tonschk]

Without a doubt I preffer :yeah: Silent Hunter 5 :rock:

http://img534.imageshack.us/img534/5643/vvvvvvvvvl.png (http://img534.imageshack.us/i/vvvvvvvvvl.png/)

http://img27.imageshack.us/img27/5388/gggggggc.png (http://img27.imageshack.us/i/gggggggc.png/)
Uploaded with ImageShack.us (http://imageshack.us)

[Jimbuna]

Can I have my next drink stirred and not shaken....

Failing that I'll stick to the old broon dog.

http://img682.imageshack.us/img682/2884/drunkcob.gif

[THE_MASK]

Ok, i'll take the bait. This depends on what your looking for.

- Fully working functionality but a bit shy on eyecandy? Sh3.

- Partially working functionallity, more choices, some eye candy improvements? Sh4.

- Partially working functionality, fewer choices, and massive eye candy improvements? SH5.He is talking about walking 2 klms to get to a station . With TheDarkarkWraiths ui mod , that is blown out of the water .

[longam]

Whats an SH?

Now were did I put my beer.

[scratch81]

Truthfully, i like SH5's " having to walk 2 km of submarine to reach the gun". I think it adds a missing tactical element. The tactical picture when conducting an attack change rapidly, and a real captain couldn't appear at the periscope, and then reappear at the hydrophones like a fart in the wind like you can with the press of a hotkey in SH3/SH4. So you have to plan out your own movements, or anticipate where you might need to place yourself. I kinda like that.

I agree whole heartedly. I also believe between the mods and bug fixes, its deffinately coming together. Now we just need the rest of the bugs ironed out and GWX for SH5, some Becks, and I'll be a happy Kaleun :rock:

edit: woohoo 19 posts since 11/2008 I need to chat here more often

[Sub Marauder]

Why do people start these comparison or opinion threads when the complaints make the choice obvious?

[Arclight]

http://i268.photobucket.com/albums/jj2/EZatHome/3389933437_36703290d5.jpg

[SteelViking]

Well, the thread has the wrong name, but the conversation just made my day.

I am a Sierra Nevada man. Any of their brews are premo stuff.

[Reece]

Without a doubt I prefer :yeah: Silent Hunter III :rock:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h244/Reecehk/AcesMod.jpg

[Jimbuna]

@Reece

What crew uniform mod with the sawfish hat emblem are you using?

[Fincuan]

:haha:

Didn't remember it looks that aged.

[The Enigma]

Silent Hunter 3 vs. Silent Hunter 5 ... who's the best?

No pun intended to all SH V players, but what else do you expect:
SHIII of course. :salute: :03:

[JU_88]

Wait another year and SH5 will crap on SH3. :DL

[Reece]

@Reece

What crew uniform mod with the sawfish hat emblem are you using?
Evan82's Sawfish Emblem
The clothes/uniforms is quite old, I will have to do some research, if you really want them I will find out more, or I can just copy all uniform/helmet mods to a JSGME ready file and upload it!:yep:

[Jimbuna]

Evan82's Sawfish Emblem
The clothes/uniforms is quite old, I will have to do some research, if you really want them I will find out more, or I can just copy all uniform/helmet mods to a JSGME ready file and upload it!:yep:

That would be mighty decent of ya http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[Reece]

That would be mighty decent of ya http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif
Gonna take awhile, 45 meg for the lot, divided into 3 mods:
evan82's Sawfish Emblem
Fubars & Others Clothes
Fubars Bearded Crew
No clashes, just enable any or all!
Will let you know when it's up!:yep:

[AVGWarhawk]

I like SH5 better than SH3. For the graphics only. In due time I would hope more would become of SH5 as SH3 witnessed.


I like Schaefer Beer. The one beer to have when you only have $1.10.



http://image3.examiner.com/images/blog/wysiwyg/image/Schaeffer_Beer.jpg

[edu]

Silent Hunter III was, finally, an awesome game. The game that makes you love subsim games, the game that makes subsimmers. Silent hunter V is in the other side. It´s the game that makes you look for other games.
SH V is the silly pretty girl. Silent hunter III was the smart,kindy, beautifull girl you loves forever.

Nothing more to say.:yawn:

[mookiemookie]

There's no comparison at this point in time. It's apples and oranges. Can't be done. Anyone that tries is making a mistake.

[ZeInfidel]

Witch VW Golf is better?1982 MkII or 2010 MkV:hmmm:

[Safe-Keeper]

Although I love certain aspects of 5, such as the walking bit, graphics, and of course the enormous potential, there is one thing III did much better than 4 and 5 -- atmosphere. The colour scheme of the menu system, the music throughout, the UI, it all just came together to form this great feeling of being in the German Kriegsmarine during the dark and stormy years of World War II.

[Sailor Steve]

Wait another year and SH5 will crap on SH3. :DL
I certainly hope so.

Witch VW Golf is better?1982 MkII or 2010 MkV:hmmm:
Which is better? 1982 MkII that has been hotrodded and pimped to the max, or 2010 MkV that was delivered unfinished and has to wait for your local mechanic to fix it so it will run properly?

There's no comparison at this point in time. It's apples and oranges. Can't be done. Anyone that tries is making a mistake.
Best post on the subject I've seen.:rock:

[SteelViking]

I really agree with those who say that a comparison cannot be made. We are talking about 2 very different animals here. It is true that SHIII IS THE SUBSIM, when someone thinks about subsimming what comes to mind? SHIII. Give it a year though, with the shear number of modders not to mention the talent things can only get better.:yeah:

[Fincuan]

Bah, if SH3 and 5 are called "apples and oranges" there's really nothing left to compare here. Maybe two identical copies of DW or something, but anything more than that always results in someone not liking his/her favourite game being compared to something and comes up with "apples and oranges".

[danizzz]

Gonna take awhile, 45 meg for the lot, divided into 3 mods:
evan82's Sawfish Emblem
Fubars & Others Clothes
Fubars Bearded Crew
No clashes, just enable any or all!
Will let you know when it's up!:yep:

I like the interior of the bridge....what's the name of the mod? TY

[Arclight]

Bah, if SH3 and 5 are called "apples and oranges" there's really nothing left to compare here. Maybe two identical copies of DW or something, but anything more than that always results in someone not liking his/her favourite game being compared to something and comes up with "apples and oranges".
So you think it's fair to compare a game that's been modded for 5 years, to one that hasn't even been out 5 months?

[kylania]

http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h244/Reecehk/AcesMod.jpg

^^ Five years of mods versus stock (not talking about the UI, just the graphics and models):

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8317/twistyperiscopethingies.jpg

[Fincuan]

So you think it's fair to compare a game that's been modded for 5 years, to one that hasn't even been out 5 months?

Absolutely. If I'm going to get either game now, or just want to debate which game is better now, it matters what their current status is, not what it will be in five years.

edit: For the record SH5 has the same five years of development behind it, just by developers that get paid for their work.

[Arclight]

Yeah... fair enough. :hmmm:

But it changes the question though; which is better right now? I suspect the answer to that will shift with time (for some, maybe).


If someone asks "which is better, period?", I really think they should be on equal ground.

[AVGWarhawk]

Witch VW Golf is better?1982 MkII or 2010 MkV:hmmm:


The one that is running!

[MattDizzle]

Sh5 wins all day. Wish it had more variety in shipping for Sh3 is just too ugly and limited for my tastes.

[danizzz]

Why you say SH3 is limited? (apart the graphic)

[mookiemookie]

If someone asks "which is better, period?", I really think they should be on equal ground.

Exactly the point. The mod community is still trying to get their hands around a lot of things with SH5. Heck, you can't even compare SH3 at two and a half months old with SH3 today. The supermods have made it a different game. The only fair question would be which is better - SH3 in May 2005 vs SH5 in May 2010.

To ask which is better now is a dumb question. One's had 5 years of aftermarket work done on it, one's had two months. Which one do you THINK is going to be better?

[MattDizzle]

The new one is better, i really want some pacific action but cant even play Sh4 without ripping my eyeballs out to stop the visual pain.

[danizzz]

Without a doubt I prefer :yeah: Silent Hunter III :rock:
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h244/Reecehk/AcesMod.jpg

Does somebody know the name of this bridge mod?

TY

[SteelViking]

Exactly the point. The mod community is still trying to get their hands around a lot of things with SH5. Heck, you can't even compare SH3 at two and a half months old with SH3 today. The supermods have made it a different game. The only fair question would be which is better - SH3 in May 2005 vs SH5 in May 2005.

To ask which is better now is a dumb question. One's had 5 years of aftermarket work done on it, one's had two months. Which one do you THINK is going to be better?

I think you meant SH5 in may 2010, but this is exactly my point of view. I got on board the SH series when SHIII came out, and I remember how painful it was to play at first. (oddly enough I did not discover subsim.com until recently :hmmm:)

[Jimbuna]

Gonna take awhile, 45 meg for the lot, divided into 3 mods:
evan82's Sawfish Emblem
Fubars & Others Clothes
Fubars Bearded Crew
No clashes, just enable any or all!
Will let you know when it's up!:yep:

Rgr that http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[Fincuan]

The only fair question would be which is better - SH3 in May 2005 vs SH5 in May 2005.?

Why would anyone be interested in that? Maybe if one wants a theoretical discussion on the merits of each game you could go there, but I'm much more interested in how things are in practice. If I were buying a submarine game right now and wanted to know which game comes out on top I couldn't care less what was the status of either game was in 2005. Similarily the knowledge that it'll possibly be fixed in the distant future would do very little to help with the problems experienced at present time.

Also the post you quoted in my name wasn't mine.

[SteelViking]

Why would anyone be interested in that? Maybe if one wants a theoretical discussion on the merits of each game you could go there, but I'm much more interested in how things are in practice. If I were buying a submarine game right now and wanted to know which game comes out on top I couldn't care less what was the status of either game was in 2005. Similarily the knowledge that it'll possibly be fixed in the distant future would do very little to help with the problems experienced at present time.

Also the post you quoted in my name wasn't mine.

I think I see what you are getting at Fincuan. You think that by saying one cannot compare SHIII to SH5(or stating what might happen in the future i.e. mods) is downplaying the current problems with SH5, and as a result, possibly misleading people into thinking that SH5 is better than it is. I can understand that.

[mookiemookie]

Why would anyone be interested in that? Maybe if one wants a theoretical discussion on the merits of each game you could go there, but I'm much more interested in how things are in practice. If I were buying a submarine game right now and wanted to know which game comes out on top I couldn't care less what was the status of either game was in 2005. Similarily the knowledge that it'll possibly be fixed in the distant future would do very little to help with the problems experienced at present time.

Also the post you quoted in my name wasn't mine.

Corrected the quote thingy. Thanks.

And I see what you're getting at, but that's not how I interpreted the question that the OP asked. As well.

[Sailor Steve]

The new one is better, i really want some pacific action but cant even play Sh4 without ripping my eyeballs out to stop the visual pain.
That's a bit extreme. SH4 looks as much better than SH3 as SH5 does compared to SH4. I still play both 3 and 4, and undoubtedly will after I can finally play 5. If you really wanted some Pacific action that wouldn't stop you. Have you tried SH1? After that SH4 will look like a dream come true. Of course looks aren't everything, and anyone who thinks they are is missing out on much better gameplay.

I still ocassionally pull out AOD, and you can't get much more primitive than that.

[Jimbuna]

As I said in another thread the other day......when SH5 has had as much work and time spent on it as has SH3, I expect it to be far superior.

There are already some extremely talented people working on SH5.

One problem they face is the uncertainty of how many more if any patches will be released in the future.

Until then it is too risky to pour in vast quantities of time and resources on a mod of any magnitude because it is impossible to know what peoples best efforts may unintentionally break in the game.

[AVGWarhawk]

I would go with what Jim said. :up:

[JU_88]

Yeah, people forget what Sh3 was like in May 2005, it too was probably around patch 1.02 -and as for mods? virtually stuff all avaliable at that time. Not to mention everyone screaming about starforce.
For the same period SH5 has 10 times what Sh3 had.
Sh5 is barely two months old and new unit imports & campaign scripting are already on the cards. it took amost year before that happened to SH3.
At this time it IS ridiculous to compare the two on anything other than their 'out of the box' condition.

[MattDizzle]

Thats my main defence of the DRM. do you guys REMEMBER starforce? jeeesus that **** was horrible.

[Arclight]

This one is pretty horible too, but at least it never broke my Win install or virusscanner. :-?

[Sailor Steve]

On the other hand, Starforce never bothered me at all (which is a bit like all the SH5ers saying OSP doesn't affect their playing). At least I could play the earlier games, and still can, which is more than I can do with SH5.:cry:

[nikimcbee]

I'll go along with that. SH4 is like two sub sim's rolled into one. :O:

+2:D

Don't have sh5 yet, so no opinion

[Jimbuna]

On the other hand, Starforce never bothered me at all (which is a bit like all the SH5ers saying OSP doesn't affect their playing). At least I could play the earlier games, and still can, which is more than I can do with SH5.:cry:

Starforce never bothered me either :nope:

[scratch81]

Starforce gave me all sorts of technical issues, and stopped playing SH3 till i got the direct download a few years later, then found you guys, and gwx, and didn't stop playing for a long while. :rock: DRM doesn't bother me as I'm used to "Permanant internet" from playing eq1, eq2, SWG, and Lotro over the years. yall want to talk buggy unfinished games? you should have been on star wars galaxies around the time of the combat upgrade they did in.. 2005 i think it were. that was beyond a fiasco, an out right clusterf**k is what it was.

But I digress. Yes SH5 is still quirky at times, but the mods have fixed nearly all the issues i had. I do hope for more patches to fix the issues i haven't seen yet, and more mods to add even more immersion, even a GWX flavored supermod is something to hope for. SH5 gets so much better everyday, and its the wonderfully creative folks here at subsim, and others out there that love this series so much that they volunteer to help build this thing beyond our wildest dreams. Hats off to you guys.

[Reece]

Video of Aces latest mod: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5byWnRFOJDM

I like the interior of the bridge....what's the name of the mod? TY
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=168825

@ Jim, have uploaded and sent PM.

[Arclight]

Video of Aces latest mod: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5byWnRFOJDM Now that is beyond incredible. :up:

I could watch the coffee in the cup all day, untill a target pops up. :yep:

[danizzz]

Video of Aces latest mod: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5byWnRFOJDM


http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=168825

@ Jim, have uploaded and sent PM.

Thank you! great mod!

[JScones]

edit: For the record SH5 has the same five years of development behind it, just by developers that get paid for their work.
Yes, people keep forgetting this. The devs haven't lived on the moon for the last five years only to pop back a few months ago and start SH5 from scratch; they've "evolved" SH3 into SH4 and "evolved" SH4 into SH5.

In essence, modders have evolved SH3 into GWX, WAC, LSH etc; the devs have evolved SH3 into SH5. Comparisons between SH3/GWX today and SH5 today are fair - the devs have had the exact same amount of time that the modders have had to improve upon SH3, but they've had the added benefit of the source code, learnings from modders, and payment as incentive.

I guess the fairer comparison is: "which one has evolved more over the last five years?" Well, in some ways I'd argue SH5 has regressed (less boats, less years, less features, less ships, more bugs). Of course, its big selling point is the "OMG amazing immersive graphics", which I think only the most ardent SH5 hater would say are worse than SH3.

Now, while there's still new mods coming out for SH3, it's pretty much reached, IMHO, the pinnacle of its life, whereas SH5 is nowhere near it (or so I would hope). In a years' time if one still says that SH3/GWX (for example) is better than SH5, then we have some serious problems. SH3 was primarily revolution, SH5 is primarily evolution (with arguably a half-a*sed attempt at revolution); people should not forget the difference this makes to modding.

[Reece]

Another update to Aces Mod: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31p9zIUTV_I

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Fincuan http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/smartdark/viewpost.gif (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?p=1401988#post1401988)
edit: For the record SH5 has the same five years of development behind it, just by developers that get paid for their work.

Now that is beyond incredible. :up:

I could watch the coffee in the cup all day, untill a target pops up. :yep:
Just so the record is straight, and for giving credit where credit is due, the coffee in the cup is from Full Open The Conning Tower Hatch by lucagaeta, and you also see flakmonkey's FM New Interiors Mod in the video.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=159772
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=162631

[robbo180265]

Another update to Aces Mod: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=31p9zIUTV_I

I am so downloading that mod when I finish here:rock:

[Faamecanic]

Sure ATM SH3 is better than SH5. But in time SH5 will be the same, only with Better graphics and the ability to walk around your sub.

So in a year or so SH5 will be better than SH3. all the things that SH5 lacks will be added over time.

So imagine SH3 with better graphics, ability to walk everywhere and improved AI..... SH5 will win this battle, i'm sure of it. :yep:

:salute:

QFT (and Im to lazy to type the same answer) :up: :yep:

[Faamecanic]

Yes, people keep forgetting this. The devs haven't lived on the moon for the last five years only to pop back a few months ago and start SH5 from scratch; they've "evolved" SH3 into SH4 and "evolved" SH4 into SH5.

In essence, modders have evolved SH3 into GWX, WAC, LSH etc; the devs have evolved SH3 into SH5. Comparisons between SH3/GWX today and SH5 today are fair - the devs have had the exact same amount of time that the modders have had to improve upon SH3, but they've had the added benefit of the source code, learnings from modders, and payment as incentive.

I guess the fairer comparison is: "which one has evolved more over the last five years?" Well, in some ways I'd argue SH5 has regressed (less boats, less years, less features, less ships, more bugs). Of course, its big selling point is the "OMG amazing immersive graphics", which I think only the most ardent SH5 hater would say are worse than SH3.

Now, while there's still new mods coming out for SH3, it's pretty much reached, IMHO, the pinnacle of its life, whereas SH5 is nowhere near it (or so I would hope). In a years' time if one still says that SH3/GWX (for example) is better than SH5, then we have some serious problems. SH3 was primarily revolution, SH5 is primarily evolution (with arguably a half-a*sed attempt at revolution); people should not forget the difference this makes to modding.

Im feeling man-love for JS right now :haha: :yep:

Agree with all but your last statement.

The fact that FIVE years later (5 years?) a GWX modded SH3 can even hold a candle to a NEW SH5, given the devs had MONEY, TIME, and the source code (and STILL left bugs in SH5 that were in SH3!!!) says there is a serious problem.

[flakmonkey]

The new one is better, i really want some pacific action but cant even play Sh4 without ripping my eyeballs out to stop the visual pain.

SH4 aint that bad, just the environmental stuff lets it down, sunsets look rubbish and cartoony like a simpsons sunset. I guess thats why ubi ditched the aweful procedural clouds for shV in favour of static textured (combined with 3d clouds)

[tonschk]

Now, while there's still new mods coming out for SH3, it's pretty much reached, IMHO, the pinnacle of its life, whereas SH5 is nowhere near it .

The modders already are permanently and continuously abandoning SH3 in favor of :yeah: Silent Hunter 5

.

[Jimbuna]

The modders already are permanently and continuously abandoning SH3 in favor of :yeah: Silent Hunter 5

.

My understanding is different....there is a growing list of modders working on both :hmmm:

[Reece]

My understanding is different....there is a growing list of modders working on both :hmmm:That is right Jim, there are many flocking to SH3, a lot that have given up with SH5 (for now)!!:yep:
And the mods keep coming!!:up:

[Sailor Steve]

SH4 aint that bad, just the environmental stuff lets it down, sunsets look rubbish and cartoony like a simpsons sunset. I guess thats why ubi ditched the aweful procedural clouds for shV in favour of static textured (combined with 3d clouds)
I'm playing Operation Monsun in the Atlantic. I don't know what environment mod that is using, but I've seen some absolutely glorius sunsets.

[Ducimus]

Only major gripe i have with SH4 enviormentals is the "ghost crew" effect when you you have all enviormental effects and volumentric fog enabled. Shoddy codinig on that one as i understand it, and not something fixable by mod.

Only way to get around it is to only enable volumentric fog. And Not enviormental effects. What you end up losing is the extra "heavy" misty fog effects that sort of float above the water, and cloud shadows, but retain the transparent water.

[mookiemookie]

Only major gripe i have with SH4 enviormentals is the "ghost crew" effect when you you have all enviormental effects and volumentric fog enabled. Shoddy codinig on that one as i understand it, and not something fixable by mod.

Only way to get around it is to only enable volumentric fog. And Not enviormental effects. What you end up losing is the extra "heavy" misty fog effects that sort of float above the water, and cloud shadows, but retain the transparent water.

I remember bitching about this when it came out and Mihai told me that it was something they couldn't fix. :-?

[Sailor Steve]

The other way to get around it is just ignore the transparent crew.:D

On the other hand my rig is so shabby I can't run it at all unless I have all graphics effects turned off. That may change in a couple of days though...:sunny:

[kiwi_2005]

I would say SH4 is better went back to SH4 and this time round actually enjoying it, although nothing SH3 can't do already but if i want to go try out the Atlantic in SH4 i can with Operation Monsoon, sick of that then go pacific sick of that then load up a Typhoon class nuclear sub, or cruise around in the Yamato or Montana wiping whole convoys in my path :DL Or maybe play out the soviet campaign, etc., There's far more options for me with SH4.

[Reece]

The biggest gripe in SH4 to me was the U-boat buoyancy, the boat almost flies and in rough weather the crew appearing/disappearing is really annoying!!:x:doh:

[tonschk]

.... SH5 will win this battle, i'm sure of it. :yep:

:salute:


This is UNSTOPPABLE , Silent Hunter 5 will win this battle :rock:


.

[JScones]

Im feeling man-love for JS right now :haha: :yep:

Agree with all but your last statement.

The fact that FIVE years later (5 years?) a GWX modded SH3 can even hold a candle to a NEW SH5, given the devs had MONEY, TIME, and the source code (and STILL left bugs in SH5 that were in SH3!!!) says there is a serious problem.
You know, I thought this exact thing a few hours after I posted. You are spot on. :up:

All those saying that it is "unfair to compare" the two, are, in fact, correct. But not for the reasons they'd like to believe. It's unfair to compare not because the modders have had five years to tweak SH3 (while the devs lived in a vacuum, presumably), but because Ubisoft has had a) the source code, b) at least 80 fulltime staff working on SH5 (and as DanFans will have us believe, a standard day is at minimum 12 hours - no full-time employed modder could spend this time each day on the game long term) and c) all the learnings, bug reports and so on from modders and other players (combined with a, they had the chance to fix things modders couldn't). So yes, Ubisoft has had an unfair advantage. Did they exploit it...

[Faamecanic]

Did they exploit it...


That answer is what we have in SH5..... :nope: :nope: disappointment.

[Sailor Steve]

This is UNSTOPABLE , Silent Hunter 5 will win this battle :rock:
I'm hoping it will. In fact I'm sure it will.


But not today.




On the other hand, while I'm waiting for my new graphics card to arrive I booted up Aces Of The Deep. After fourteen years this old classic is still fun! :sunny::D:rock:

[Subnuts]

95 posts later, people who prefer SH5 to SH3 still can't think up a better reason than "because it's prettier!" Is U-571 a better movie than Das Boot because it has better special effects? Is Jane's Warship Recognition Guide better than Combat Fleets of the World because it's in color? :nope:

[nemo7]

The modders already are permanently and continuously abandoning SH3 in favor of :yeah: Silent Hunter 5

.

I'm not quite sure about that; on the contrary, I believe that SH5 is, for now, abandoned... Have a look in SHIII Mods workshop mate.:yep:

[kylania]

95 posts later, people who prefer SH5 to SH3 still can't think up a better reason than "because it's prettier!"

That's because they are busy playing the wonderfully modded SH5 game rather than trolling the forums of a game they don't even play, like the SH3 crowd is doing.

[janh]

95 posts later, people who prefer SH5 to SH3 still can't think up a better reason than "because it's prettier!" Is U-571 a better movie than Das Boot because it has better special effects? Is Jane's Warship Recognition Guide better than Combat Fleets of the World because it's in color? :nope:

I assume you don't really want to hear the obvious answer.... But you are right on the mark. The times that I switched to a new game (and usually had to buy a new computer as well) for a new graphics engine are long over. I don't expect hyper-photorealism -- it is still a game. So it needs to have features and content that make it fun, maybe even teach me a thing or two about history, technics etc, and an AI that gives my brain something to agonize about.

For SHV, that still would be the wolfpacks, which were the last major detail missing in SHIII to really recreate a historical WW2 in the Atlantic. Other than that, I would rather invest my $$ into something new, other than "another very similar" submarine simulation.

[TwistedFemur]

I LOVE miller lite. My favorite beer. It IS less filling and tastes great. Gimme a frosty long neck!


Bud Ice Premium Lager:rock:

[TwistedFemur]

The modders already are permanently and continuously abandoning SH3 in favor of :yeah: Silent Hunter 5

.


Can you support that statement with verifiable facts?:06:

[Kapitanleutnant]

Can you support that statement with verifiable facts?:06:
Of course he can't. tonschk's posts are like little squirts of **** dribbling down your monitor. It's best to ignore them.

I has a question - in SH5, do radar and sonar contacts still propgate through landmasses? I'm trying to figure out what measurable improvements have been made in the game engine since 2005, but am having difficulty finding any.

[SteelViking]

That's because they are busy playing the wonderfully modded SH5 game rather than trolling the forums of a game they don't even play, like the SH3 crowd is doing.

:haha: Oh, the truth is funny sometimes.

If people would just give SH5 the chance they would see things differently. When I first got SH5, I was furious, in fact, I uninstalled it and shelved it for about a 2 weeks. So many things were broken, and WERE WORSE than SHIII or SHIV. But, guess what folks. The modders have been busting their butts. Plus, two patches have come out. And now, if you have the right mods, SH5 is awesome in my opinion, and not just how it looks. Seriously, get SH5, try these mods, actually play it for a while, and then see how much you want to cut it down. Otherwise, I wish people would stop talking negatively about something that they have no idea about.
Soup time:
AilBubbles 1.0 Micro
AilImpurity 1.2
Azs_Caustic_Mod
MightyFine Crew Mod 1.2.1 Stock faces
Conus' Graphic Mod R7Comp
Window_Lights_Redone_V1
Wamphyri's Plane Mod
U-Boat Killer
Terrain_harbour_flags_Mod_v1_1
Nauticalwolf's Interior Mod V1.0
Old Style Explosions V1.1
sobers hatch mod
SteelVikingsAtlanticWaterv2
Enhanced FunelSmoke_by HanSolo78
Dooms Decks for VIIABC41 1.4
Capthelms Audio
NewUIs_TDC_2_5_0_Twisty_periscope_thingies
sobers multi color mod
BRF 1.3 lite
Sub_Exhaust_1_0_2_byTheDarkWraith
reaper7's Sky Mod
Environment MOD_2.1exp
sobers base wave mechanics for SH5 v3
Reaper7 HiRes Mod

[Moeceefus]

95 posts later, people who prefer SH5 to SH3 still can't think up a better reason than "because it's prettier!" Is U-571 a better movie than Das Boot because it has better special effects? Is Jane's Warship Recognition Guide better than Combat Fleets of the World because it's in color? :nope:


whats a better reason one should play sh3 as opposed to sh5? is the game play really that dramatically different? honestly? im hoping those who have actually played both will answer.

[Kapitanleutnant]

whats a better reason one should play sh3 as opposed to sh5? is the game play really that dramatically different? honestly?
Half the war is missing. Every uboat type except the VIIs are missing. SH3 is dramatically different and dramatically better than SH5 in this respect.

Also; no magic soup.

[Moeceefus]

Half the war is missing. Every uboat type except the VIIs are missing. SH3 is dramatically different and dramatically better than SH5 in this respect.

Also; no magic soup.


wow, those are game breaking differences i guess... 2 years of the war are missing and historically, they were not very good years for submariners.

[Faamecanic]

whats a better reason one should play sh3 as opposed to sh5? is the game play really that dramatically different? honestly? im hoping those who have actually played both will answer.


Again no offense intended to all our modders here....

Try playing SH 3 with GWX loaded, start off in say 1943....

Tell me if the first convoy you hit:

1) you either die before you even get to a convoy because the AI is that good, and your using vanilla tactics

2) if you DO live... tell me your not pooping your pants during the 3-4 hours you spend trying to evade the ticked of DD's....


Sorry...as pretty as SH5 is.... it cant hold a candle to the AI in GWX. And AI has Z E R O to do with grahpic improvements.... the scripting is about the same in SH5 as SH3.... but yet the devs, with the source code and money, still made the AI as dumb as a box of rocks.

[Moeceefus]

Again no offense intended to all our modders here....

Try playing SH 3 with GWX loaded, start off in say 1943....

Tell me if the first convoy you hit:

1) you either die before you even get to a convoy because the AI is that good, and your using vanilla tactics

2) if you DO live... tell me your not pooping your pants during the 3-4 hours you spend trying to evade the ticked of DD's....


Sorry...as pretty as SH5 is.... it cant hold a candle to the AI in GWX. And AI has Z E R O to do with grahpic improvements.... the scripting is about the same in SH5 as SH3.... but yet the devs, with the source code and money, still made the AI as dumb as a box of rocks.



lets at least compare them both stock to be fair, or give sh5 time to catch up in the mod department. it wont take as long as sh3 took to be good i bet

[robbo180265]

whats a better reason one should play sh3 as opposed to sh5? is the game play really that dramatically different? honestly? I'm hoping those who have actually played both will answer.

I play both and at the moment I prefer SH3 plus these mods

GWX - Alternate Loadscreen - Full Circle
GWX - Alternative Flotillas
GWX - Axis Mediterranean Aircraft Skins
GWX - Captain America's Officer Icons
GWX - Enhanced Damage Effects
GWX - Integrated Orders
GWX - Late War Sensors Snorkel Antennas
GWX - Main movie - 'Das Boot'
GWX - No Medals on Crew
GWX - Open Hatch Mod
GWX - VIIC41 Player Sub
Flags_enlighten
LifeBoats&Debris_v4
Radio Deutschland
FlatSunFix for M.E.P v3
GWX - Merged Campaign
M.E.P v3
MEP v3 VisualSensors for gwx3
WBNN Mission Orders Lite
WB's Decks Awash
SKIN - IXBC - Bismark
Real Depth Charge
Torpedo damage Final ver2.0
Pascal_Port_People
Thomsen's Sound Pack V3.2cg
Splash Screens Package VII
RadioMessage - MorseCodeOnly
Ice Age

I find the GWX experience second to none - SH5 is a good game but:

until there is a better variety of targets, until the campaign is changed to something a bit more realistic, until there are more types of U Boat available, Until you can play to '45...

Then SH3 + mods will win for me.

I should add that as long as there is interest in SH5 , and the mods keep coming for it, I expect that in a year or two my opinion will change.

But for now - that's my take on this whole thread.

What does it really matter anyway - as long as you are enjoying the game that you are playing , who cares what anyone else thinks?

[robbo180265]

wow, those are game breaking differences i guess... 2 years of the war are missing and historically, they were not very good years for submariners.

No you're right they are not at all gamebreaking , trouble is - those last two years of the war are in my opinion the best part.

The part where you are struggling just to stay alive , where you have to try to sink ships and evade. I was under for 6 hours the other night trying to evade destroyers.

In Sh5 it's all I can do to get the bloody things to chase me lol.

Apples and pears, horses and courses - what I like, you may not , why worry?

[Moeceefus]

What does it really matter anyway - as long as you are enjoying the game that you are playing , who cares what anyone else thinks?


indeed :salute:

[nemo7]

Again no offense intended to all our modders here....

Try playing SH 3 with GWX loaded, start off in say 1943....

Tell me if the first convoy you hit:

1) you either die before you even get to a convoy because the AI is that good, and your using vanilla tactics

2) if you DO live... tell me your not pooping your pants during the 3-4 hours you spend trying to evade the ticked of DD's....


Sorry...as pretty as SH5 is.... it cant hold a candle to the AI in GWX. And AI has Z E R O to do with grahpic improvements.... the scripting is about the same in SH5 as SH3.... but yet the devs, with the source code and money, still made the AI as dumb as a box of rocks.

+1:up: Plus excellent U-boat boyancy and dynamic campaign. SH3 is the most dark and gritty U-boat sim ever made. By far...

[rik007]

After I have been modding the SH-5 environment-files for a while I cannot stand watching this banding-issue and the strange mist+sun any longer. The problem is in the shaders and cannot be corrected from outside the game.

I see people saying that SH-5 will eventually overtake SH-3 and I can only hope that that will happen as I bought SH-5 in blind trust in Ubi.

But I can be wrong but I have the impression that Ubi isnot working on another patch. There are no signs or threats which indicates otherwise so we could well be at the end of the road.

[Ducimus]

The biggest gripe in SH4 to me was the U-boat buoyancy, the boat almost flies and in rough weather the crew appearing/disappearing is really annoying!!:x:doh:

I'm pretty sure that was fixed.

That's because they are busy playing the wonderfully modded SH5 game rather than trolling the forums of a game they don't even play, like the SH3 crowd is doing.

That analogy can be used on MANY games, but it is also false to some degree. If everyone was too busy playing SH5 rather then trolling/posting on forums, then you wouldn't be making that post at all, would ya?

Another thing is, a lot of people tend to be active in a forum of a game their really into when they can't be at home to play it. That is evident in just about any game forum. So no, not everyone is too busy playing their game to troll the forums.

[SteelViking]

After I have been modding the SH-5 environment-files for a while I cannot stand watching this banding-issue and the strange mist+sun any longer. The problem is in the shaders and cannot be corrected from outside the game.

I see people saying that SH-5 will eventually overtake SH-3 and I can only hope that that will happen as I bought SH-5 in blind trust in Ubi.

But I can be wrong but I have the impression that Ubi isnot working on another patch. There are no signs or threats which indicates otherwise so we could well be at the end of the road.

reaper7 has supplied a replacement sky texture in the downloads section, it really does a good job removing the banding. It does not remove the banding from the moon or sun though. Have you given that a try? Also, once W_clear gets his environmental mod totally straightened out, the mist/sun/a lot of other things in the environment will look much better. Hope this helps.

I'm pretty sure that was fixed.



That analogy can be used on MANY games, but it is also false to some degree. If everyone was too busy playing SH5 rather then trolling/posting on forums, then you wouldn't be making that post at all, would ya?

Another thing is, a lot of people tend to be active in a forum of a game their really into when they can't be at home to play it. That is evident in just about any game forum. So no, not everyone is too busy playing their game to troll the forums.

Aye, Ducimus, you have a good point there. But, I still agree with the message that kylania was trying to convey.

[Faamecanic]

lets at least compare them both stock to be fair, or give sh5 time to catch up in the mod department. it wont take as long as sh3 took to be good i bet

But that is hardly fair, as discussed in another thread (or was it this one).

SH5 has had the benefit of TIME. TIME the Devs should have used outside a vacuum to see what made GWX such a huge hit.

Instead when SH 5 STILL has SH 3 bugs in it...I think it perfectly fair to compare the two.

[AS]

Those guys who praise SH3 now seem to have forgotten how crappy it used to be when it was released. Most people around here (me, too) spent a lot of time on SH3 bashing. So I guess SH5 just keeps in line with all former releases (not to mention SH2...).
We shouldn´t blame Ubisoft for all those unfinished games. It´s not crap, it´s TRADITION!:smug:

Cheers, AS

[robbo180265]

But that is hardly fair, as discussed in another thread (or was it this one).

SH5 has had the benefit of TIME. TIME the Devs should have used outside a vacuum to see what made GWX such a huge hit.

Instead when SH 5 STILL has SH 3 bugs in it...I think it perfectly fair to compare the two.

I think that's a little unfair tbh - You assume that the devs were just sitting around twiddling their thumbs till UBI announced another in the SH series, up until then I would imagine the devs would have worked on other releases.

I would assume that once UBI decided on SH5 , that the devs were employed on it for whatever time UBI alowed in the contract and I doubt that was 5 years.

[jwilliams]

whats a better reason one should play sh3 as opposed to sh5? is the game play really that dramatically different? honestly? im hoping those who have actually played both will answer.

The game play is very similar... After all SH5 is SH3 with better eye candy. :yep:

Before patch 1.2 Sh5 had bugs that made the game unplayable. BUT now the game braking bugs arnt there ( patch and mods fixed the game).

I play the game exactly the same as i played SH3.

SH5 just lacks things like :-

More ships
last 2years of war
and extra u-boats


All of which will prob be added in...... in time.

ummmmm, help me out...
What else is SH5 lacking? :06:

And if you say AI. theres mods that make the AI hard as... check my sig

[tonschk]

Those guys who praise SH3 now seem to have forgotten how crappy it used to be when it was released. Most people around here (me, too) spent a lot of time on SH3 bashing. So I guess SH5 just keeps in line with all former releases (not to mention SH2...).
We shouldn´t blame Ubisoft for all those unfinished games. It´s not crap, it´s TRADITION!:smug:

Cheers, AS


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[SteelViking]

Now, I may be a defender of SH5, but I disagree with you on this one tonschk. The early games will never be over. There are many who talk about firing up some real old subsims, and that they still love em. And, I am sure that SHIII and SHIV will continue to be modded for a long time to come, though it may be less and less over time.

I myself started with SHIII soon after it came out and I have seen its bad side, but it was my first subsim ever. I know that there is no way I could ever think of SHIII as dead. Just because you think that SH5 should or will become the number one subsim(as I do), does not mean the others have to left in the dust.

[Sailor Steve]

We all agree it's beautiful. Can you say what else it has to offer? When do I get my Type II? When will it have more than 80 different merchant classes? Maybe the future does belong to SH5. I certainly hope so. But for the present they won't even let some of us play it.

Oh, and those .png pictures eat up a lot of bandwidth and take forever to load.

[jwilliams]

The early games will never be over. There are many who talk about firing up some real old subsims, and that they still love em.


I have "Silent Service II" on my HD, have to use Dosbox to run it. This was the first Subsim that i ever played. I still fire it up every now and then, for nostalgia. :yep:

[Sailor Steve]

Earlier today I was playing Aces Of The Deep.:sunny:

[SteelViking]

I have "Silent Service II" on my HD, have to use Dosbox to run it. This was the first Subsim that i ever played. I still fire it up every now and then, for nostalgia. :yep:

Earlier today I was playing Aces Of The Deep.:sunny:

That's what I am talking about, I see no reason why those of us who want to play the older games would not be able to. They are still fun. But, some people seem to think that SH5 is some sort of subsim eating monster out to get everyone. It's not like SH5 will stop UBI from supporting their earlier games, they already did that without it.

[Reece]

The Silent Hunter 3 :down: Game is OVER , Now The Future Belong to :rock: Silent Hunter 5 :rock:

The Silent Hunter 5 :down: Game is OVER and broken, Now The Future will always Belong to :rock: Silent Hunter 3 :rock: Silent Hunter III Works from 39 to 45, good AI, many ships, and no Online DRM!! etc etc.:yeah::rock:

[THE_MASK]

We wont stop modding till SH5 is better than SH3 so there . It might take a while but it will happen .

[JScones]

I think that's a little unfair tbh - You assume that the devs were just sitting around twiddling their thumbs till UBI announced another in the SH series, up until then I would imagine the devs would have worked on other releases.

I would assume that once UBI decided on SH5 , that the devs were employed on it for whatever time UBI alowed in the contract and I doubt that was 5 years.
That's the point - they haven't been twiddling their thumbs. Don't forget, they worked on four patches for SH3, then started work on SH4, five patches and an add-on later they started on SH5, and have since added two patches to that. They've been pretty much at it non-stop since SH3 was released, if not then definitely since April 2006 (if we grant that some, such as Dan, may have been involved in "Blazing Angels" development between the last SH3 patch and SH4 development starting around then).

[flakmonkey]

The Silent Hunter 3 :down: Game is OVER , Now The Future Belong to :rock: Silent Hunter 5 :rock:




Im not convinced... at the moment theres nothing that sh5 does that sh3 doesnt (cept the gfx of course) and there are a whole bunch of things that sh3 can do that shv doesnt, like a full dynamic campaign etc.

The only thing i can think of that shV has that sh3 doesnt is the crew interaction/rpg stuff, which would be brilliant if it wasnt so limited in what they say, you can only have the same conversation so many times!

+Shv kind of went downhill for me after a saw a German flagged liberty ship!

[Faamecanic]

I'm pretty sure that was fixed.





O-rly? By a mod? I stopped playing sH4 because even after the Uboat PAID patch... there was still very little pitch and roll, and the boat still came out of the water.

Again..not to beat a dead horse.... I remember the first time playing GWX I almost felt sea-sick!

If FREE modders could figure out how to make a sub behave realistically...then why couldnt the DEVS to it in 5 years of development, money, and the source code.

[Faamecanic]

I think that's a little unfair tbh - You assume that the devs were just sitting around twiddling their thumbs till UBI announced another in the SH series, up until then I would imagine the devs would have worked on other releases.

I would assume that once UBI decided on SH5 , that the devs were employed on it for whatever time UBI alowed in the contract and I doubt that was 5 years.

Robbo.... we all know they were not just sitting around doing nothing. But the appearances of SH3 bugs in SH5 make one THINK "WTF were the devs doing?"

You know as they say ....appearences are everything.

[kylania]

Robbo.... we all know they were not just sitting around doing nothing. But the appearances of SH3 bugs in SH5 make one THINK "WTF were the devs doing?"

You know as they say ....appearences are everything.

They were in SH4, so I expected them in SH5. :O:

[Moeceefus]

We wont stop modding till SH5 is better than SH3 so there . It might take a while but it will happen .


three cheers for you good sir, and many thanks :salute:

[Faamecanic]

They were in SH4, so I expected them in SH5. :O:


LOL.... how true. Why should I expect anything different in SH5 when UBI and devs proved they were quite capable of bringing in all the bugs from SH3 to SH4, PLUS introducing new ones.

I was just full of wishful thinking that they would have realized..."Hey.. modders fixed this with both sH3 and 4... I wonder what they did..." Silly me :har:

With that said.... I will be watching the mod forums. Please turn this Turd into a beautiful princess that I know she can be :)

[kiwi_2005]

The Silent Hunter 3 :down: Game is OVER , Now The Future Belong to :rock: Silent Hunter 5 :rock:
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Gotta admit SH5 does look terrific. SH3 nor SH4 graphics will never better what SH5 can give us in the gfx. Yeah i know good graphics does not always make a good game, but its a damn beauty.

[Bilge_Rat]

there are a whole bunch of things that sh3 can do that shv doesnt, like a full dynamic campaign etc.



SH5 also has a dynamic campaign, same engine as in SH3, although with many underlying improvements.

I presume you meant that the SH5 campaign ends in 43.

Although I never really understood why this was such a big issue, after may 43, U-Boats are just targets waiting to be killed.

[robbo180265]

SH5 also has a dynamic campaign, same engine as in SH3, although with many underlying improvements.

I presume you meant that the SH5 campaign ends in 43.

Although I never really understood why this was such a big issue, after may 43, U-Boats are just targets waiting to be killed.

I guess from my point of view - it gives you easy mode only.

I actually prefer going out from '43 onwards and not knowing if you'll make it back, makes it all the sweeter if you do:03:

But as I said earlier - just because I like it doesn't mean everyone does or should.

[kylania]

There's nothing stopping a campaign from running the whole war. The devs just didn't fill that part out. Players have the Mission Editor and can expand the campaign if they want.

So saying that SH5 sucks because it doesn't have the whole war is really just being short sighted. When people talk about the end war in SH3, they sure aren't talking about the stock campaign. They are talking about a reworked modded campaign. The exact same thing you'll see with SH5.

[Sailor Steve]

^ ^ ^ ^ ^

As I said when people first complained about it. Any of the SH3 supermods, as wall as RSRDC for SH4, have completely reworked the campaign from the ground up. There is pretty much nothing left of the stock campaigns in SH3 or SH4 in any version anybody is playing. There is no reason SH5's won't be even better once people figure out how to adapt it to their desires. Actually I also said some time ago that that may be the reason SH5's campaign is unfinished. The devs knew that no matter how much work they put into it, it would be dumped at the first chance.

As for there only being one class of u-boat, I imagine there is a huge amount of work to put everything in that has been put into this one boat. More can be added, and I hope they will.

The real complaints about SH5 are the ones about the bugs that never got fixed from one generation to the next. I'm hoping that this will all be ironed out before they're done with it. We can only wait and see.

Currently people are still playing SH3 and SH4 because those games are more complete, and SH5 still needs a lot of work. As I've also said before, there is every chance that when SH5 has had the time that the others have it really will put them to shame. Right now it won't let me play in a Type II, or play in the Pacific. So for now the older games are not "better", but they are more desirable for anyone who wants to play within that context.

People should learn how to state their preferences and their opinions without condemnatory remarks such as "It sucks" and "It rules". SH5 doesn't rule yet, nor does it truly suck. People who are enjoying it are doing so because it fills their idea of what a subsim should be. Those who aren't play the older versions because for now those fill their idea of what a subsim should be.

It is possible to discuss and even disagree without shouting and screaming about how you're right and anybody who doesn't agree is an idiot.

[SteelViking]

Nice post Sailor Stevet! I pretty much agree with you on all accounts.:salute:

[Jimbuna]

People should learn how to state their preferences and their opinions without condemnatory remarks such as "It sucks" and "It rules". SH5 doesn't rule yet, nor does it truly suck. People who are enjoying it are doing so because it fills their idea of what a subsim should be. Those who aren't play the older versions because for now those fill their idea of what a subsim should be.

It is possible to discuss and even disagree without shouting and screaming about how you're right and anybody who doesn't agree is an idiot.

Best post I've read on the subject in a good while http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[JScones]

people should learn how to state their preferences and their opinions without condemnatory remarks such as "it sucks" and "it rules". Sh5 doesn't rule yet, nor does it truly suck. People who are enjoying it are doing so because it fills their idea of what a subsim should be. Those who aren't play the older versions because for now those fill their idea of what a subsim should be.

It is possible to discuss and even disagree without shouting and screaming about how you're right and anybody who doesn't agree is an idiot.
You're wrong, SH5 SUX RULERS!




:D

[ReallyDedPoet]

:zzz::yep:

[robbo180265]

Excellent post Steve - sums up my thoughts on the whole thing too:rock:

[Sailor Steve]

You're wrong, SH5 SUX RULERS!




:D
Of course I'm wrong. I'm always wrong.

I was a huge fan of detective Dietrich, played by Steve Landesberg, back on the old Barney Miller TV show. Whenever a difference of opinion came up he would launch into a brilliant explanation that couldn't be refuted. Then right when he had everybody hooked, he'd say "Of course I could be wrong." The expressions on the others' faces was priceles.:rotfl2:

[Jimbuna]

Of course I'm wrong. I'm always wrong.

I was a huge fan of detective Dietrich, played by Steve Landesberg, back on the old Barney Miller TV show. Whenever a difference of opinion came up he would launch into a brilliant explanation that couldn't be refuted. Then right when he had everybody hooked, he'd say "Of course I could be wrong." The expressions on the others' faces was priceles.:rotfl2:


Well in this particular instance I reckon your right.

I'm off to buy some popcorn because.....Of course I could be wrong :DL

[SteelViking]

You're wrong, SH5 SUX RULERS!




:D

:har: I love frequenting the same thread as you JScones, it makes my life happier.:up:

[AVGWarhawk]

I like tater-tots. :88)

[IanC]

Well y'all bring up great points, but I just have one thing to say...
The most bestest subsim is clearly :yeah: Silent Hunter 5 :yeah: *Insert an even bigger pointless screenshot that takes forever to load*

[Ubootsmann96]

After playing previous series I can say sh5 is rather partially Usim, although some aspects are expanded in comparison with sh3. Graphics is alright but i don't agree it's breathtaking. There are still apple shapes. Some effects are not satisfying (explosions). Big plus for U-boots details, sea... but there is not really that much to do is it?? i would say as for that year improvements should be greater. The most disappointing is interface. It makes it very hard to play for old seawolfs and not that easy for new players. Some say that sh5 with mods will be much greater than sh3. Doubt... if yes respectful for modders cause its damn heavy work.
Last words: again we can be "grateful" for commercialism (egz. mafia->mafia2, morrowind->oblivion->skyrim; the same with Lothar-Guenther Buchheim
"Das Boot 2") and Ubi for laying down.. what is enough: renown, and candy graphics and people say: hurrey... is it truely that hard to make better game the same time.. i would buy game for twice a price instead of that.. since I would have played it for 5 years than 5 months like persent sh5... :Kaleun_Los:

[usmcfr]

I have to say that after playing SH3, SH4 and SH5, I prefered SH3. SH4 was pretty good as well and I enjoyed the trip to the Pacific. When I got SH5 I thought it had some nice graphics, but dear god the problems with gameplay and the bugs were frustrating. I have to say that I thought SH5 was pretty unfinished and I have had that feeling throughout the campaign. After battling through the campaign and sinking 2.3 million tones of shipping, Black Pitt just put me at my wits end, that and the campaigns in the med. However given plenty of modding, SH5 is probably the winning game. Its just a shame that it takes lots of modding to get it to a point that is acceptable to subsim fans. Thank god for Subsim and the modding community with it.

[DelphiUniverse]

I have to say that after playing SH3, SH4 and SH5, I prefered SH3. SH4 was pretty good as well and I enjoyed the trip to the Pacific. When I got SH5 I thought it had some nice graphics, but dear god the problems with gameplay and the bugs were frustrating. I have to say that I thought SH5 was pretty unfinished and I have had that feeling throughout the campaign. After battling through the campaign and sinking 2.3 million tones of shipping, Black Pitt just put me at my wits end, that and the campaigns in the med. However given plenty of modding, SH5 is probably the winning game. Its just a shame that it takes lots of modding to get it to a point that is acceptable to subsim fans. Thank god for Subsim and the modding community with it.

I would still prefer the mod community to be modding a complete "bugfree" game rather than modding an incomplete buggy game. :yawn:

Unfortunately the only way to solve this is Open Source.

[Bothersome]

Personally, I think the biggest problem with the game is the people. Too many think that finishing the campaign is the enjoyment.

I think just playing the game at whatever stage you happen to be in is the enjoyment. The reward is in knowing that you can work the problem with the given tools. You don't have to have radar to have fun. Just have fun.

Another thing I think is the problem with the people is that they think they must have their old interface. The only thing that's needed is a good interface. The stock interface is lacking in regard. For instance, how do you set standard propulsion from the stock interface? You could do it in SH3 and SH4 by clicking on the battery charge icon. But there is no equivelant in SH5 without a mod.

So we need a simple but effective interface that allows us to get to the things we need. We don't need fancy, just simple and effective.

But too many people think they must have the kitchen sink and every gadget to be happy.

I guess my point is, "more doesn't bring happiness."

[nikimcbee]

SH3 as a whole is better. SH5 wins the eye candy award.

[TheDarkWraith]

SH3 as a whole is better. SH5 wins the eye candy award.

I have to disagree. With mods SH5 wins hands down :yep:. I have since shelved SH3 as it's just a disappointment to play with it's poor graphics and not having the things SH5 has (real nav, ship's journal, better AI (from IRAI), OHII, dynamic environment, etc.). Plus the modding ability of SH5 far exceeds anything that SH3 can give (allbeit it takes a little more skill to mod SH5 than the other SH series).

[Hinrich Schwab]

I have to disagree. With mods SH5 wins hands down :yep:.
Your UI and AI mods are the only reasons I have not shelved SH5 and written it off as a bad investment.

I have since shelved SH3 as it's just a disappointment to play with it's poor graphics and not having the things SH5 has (real nav, ship's journal, better AI (from IRAI), OHII, dynamic environment, etc.). Plus the modding ability of SH5 far exceeds anything that SH3 can give (allbeit it takes a little more skill to mod SH5 than the other SH series).I wouldn't go as far as to say SH3 had bad graphics, just dated. SH5's polygon flicker for all of the gauge labels is a particular annoyance for me. I still play the other Silent Hunter games. I recently got SH2 and for all of its flaws, I like it. I think the big issue is the ultimate subsim. It has been said that 5 has this potential and I agree. 3 and 4 each has its own place and the mods do much to stretch them out. I think once 5 has its full mega mod, it will really make the decision for most people. I still have sharp criticisms for 5, but that is because of its state upon release and its lack of support from Ubisoft. I know 2, 3, and 4 also started out rocky, but I wasn't around for that. Quite frankly, I think it really boils down to preference. I can sit down and get consistent kills with any of them with realism set at at least 80% on all of them and that is all that matters to me. I am just now comfortable enough to begin schooling myself on manual targeting so I can boost the realism up to 100%.

[Bilge_Rat]

SH3, SH4, SH5 are all good sub simulations. Which one is your favorite is really a matter of personal preference. I spend most of my time with SH4 lately, but agree that SH5 is the one that has the most long term potential.

[Dogfish40]

Of course I'm wrong. I'm always wrong.

I was a huge fan of detective Dietrich, played by Steve Landesberg, back on the old Barney Miller TV show. Whenever a difference of opinion came up he would launch into a brilliant explanation that couldn't be refuted. Then right when he had everybody hooked, he'd say "Of course I could be wrong." The expressions on the others' faces was priceles.:rotfl2:

Like the time they confiscated some guys college project (an Atomic bomb) which they all were trying to figure out if it was one indeed, and after a bunch of to and fro, Dietrich walks in and without a beat says "Hey, where'd ya get the Atom Bomb??" .
Just they way he said it,...OK, Ya had to be there...
Yeah, With the current Mods like IRAI and Dyn Env, I can get depth charged till my ears explode in SH5, and my crew reacts to all this. So as far as Immersion or whatever goes, this one is getting better by the month. Every week someone has improved this or that and that's part of the fun of it. I still love my Fleet boat and trolling about the Pacific too in SH4. It's all good!!
Kudo's to all the Modders!! :up:
D40

[Ubootsmann96]

SH5 also has a dynamic campaign, same engine as in SH3, although with many underlying improvements.

I presume you meant that the SH5 campaign ends in 43.

Although I never really understood why this was such a big issue, after may 43, U-Boats are just targets waiting to be killed.

I've read Uboot's history quite thoroughly, despite of losses, there were more U-boats even after 43 (less seaworthy than built but still), main thing was Ubootwaffe had late and minor meaning improvements whereas, Allies had aircrafts and fleet ->Uboatkillers focusing nearly only on Uboats (apart of wargame who catches SUPERBATTLESHIP OF GERMANY). The thing was there wasn't enough number of experienced crews, no Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine support, and the most important: LACK OF HITLER'S BLESSING.

Anyway that would be interesting playing after 1943 making history and brave almost suicide attacks or just face risk of being sunk just to sink at least one cargo ship... That is what has not been done by Ubisoft what may be done by modders... I thought thread is about comparing clean Silent Hunter 3 and Silent Hunter Five..
Any way what so damn wrong with AI of SH3 when playing above 80 prc realism and what so damn dynamic in SH5 campaign????

Nobody says it loud: we are being cheated and disrespected
I colud say the same about sh3 lets allow to do graphics as in sh5 and interior additions and bla bla bla.... Its not all about: compared should be both stock games. SH3 was brilliant... SH5 is not. Ubisoft should support modders at all cost cause they alone are poor :P

[Bilge_Rat]

I've read Uboot's history quite thoroughly, despite of losses, there were more U-boats even after 43 (less seaworthy than built but still), main thing was Ubootwaffe had late and minor meaning improvements whereas, Allies had aircrafts and fleet ->Uboatkillers focusing nearly only on Uboats (apart of wargame who catches SUPERBATTLESHIP OF GERMANY). The thing was there wasn't enough number of experienced crews, no Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine support, and the most important: LACK OF HITLER'S BLESSING.

Anyway that would be interesting playing after 1943 making history and brave almost suicide attacks or just face risk of being sunk just to sink at least one cargo ship... That is what has not been done by Ubisoft what may be done by modders... I thought thread is about comparing clean Silent Hunter 3 and Silent Hunter Five..
Any way what so damn wrong with AI of SH3 when playing above 80 prc realism and what so damn dynamic in SH5 campaign????

Nobody says it loud: we are being cheated and disrespected
I colud say the same about sh3 lets allow to do graphics as in sh5 and interior additions and bla bla bla.... Its not all about: compared should be both stock games. SH3 was brilliant... SH5 is not. Ubisoft should support modders at all cost cause they alone are poor :P

Ubootsmann96, first, welcome to Subsim.

Second, the post you quoted was made almost 2 years ago. Since then, the "Open Horizon" campaign I and II have been released which extends the SH5 campaign out to may 1945.

Third, no one really cares about these SH3 v SH4 v SH5 arguments anymore, they all had problems out of the box.

[Wuss]

by the time the modders have finished with either of them,just how much of the original game is actualy left. :timeout:
IMO though that wont count for much,its the mod community that have made SH3 the game it is today and undoubtedly will do the same for SH5,UBI should be paying you guys wages :salute:

[Sailor Steve]

I have to disagree. With mods SH5 wins hands down :yep:. I have since shelved SH3 as it's just a disappointment to play with it's poor graphics and not having the things SH5 has (real nav, ship's journal, better AI (from IRAI), OHII, dynamic environment, etc.). Plus the modding ability of SH5 far exceeds anything that SH3 can give (allbeit it takes a little more skill to mod SH5 than the other SH series).
I will probably agree with you the day I sink a 500-ton coastal tanker with my Type II, then sail through the Brunsbuttel gates and past the rotating railroad bridge on my way home. :sunny:

[TheDarkWraith]

I will probably agree with you the day I sink a 500-ton coastal tanker with my Type II, then sail through the Brunsbuttel gates and past the rotating railroad bridge on my way home. :sunny:

In time. The GR2 Editor/Viewer is slowly progressing to the point of adding new meshes :DL

[Ubootsmann96]

Thx for greets, sorry for being unprepared nice to know about those new mods, I just wanted to share my thoughts...(is there any modfor changing interface of SH5) I'm waiting for SH6 :P. Anyhow for all of You mates: cheers! I gonna be listening The Tipperary Song now and drink Uboot special cocktail. :Kaleun_Sick: uuuuuueeee

[Jimbuna]

I have to disagree. With mods SH5 wins hands down :yep:. I have since shelved SH3 as it's just a disappointment to play with it's poor graphics and not having the things SH5 has (real nav, ship's journal, better AI (from IRAI), OHII, dynamic environment, etc.). Plus the modding ability of SH5 far exceeds anything that SH3 can give (allbeit it takes a little more skill to mod SH5 than the other SH series).

How arrogant...nothing new there though.

Some in this modding community have a longer CV and committment yet don't resort to sniping when the opportunity arises :nope:

[TheDarkWraith]

How arrogant...nothing new there though.

Some in this modding community have a longer CV and committment yet don't resort to sniping when the opportunity arises :nope:

How was that an arrogant statement? I said I disagree and said why. I didn't think it would come across as you are taking it :hmmm:

[Sailor Steve]

In time. The GR2 Editor/Viewer is slowly progressing to the point of adding new meshes :DL
Awesome. I'm looking forward to it.

[Hinrich Schwab]

In time. The GR2 Editor/Viewer is slowly progressing to the point of adding new meshes :DL

I am assuming this will lead to fun things like a playable Type XXI?:)

[Jimbuna]

How was that an arrogant statement? I said I disagree and said why. I didn't think it would come across as you are taking it :hmmm:

*Taking off moderator cap*

You know full well about previous moderating history and some of the very talented people involved (I don't feel the need to name them because their achievements and services to this community are legend).

"Skill" was in abundance by a great many people in days gone by and is not a commodity that should be measured unilaterally and dismissed or denigrated in what can be interpreted as a bold outspoken statement.

My advice to you which I'm confident you will ignore is...stop the snidey remarks because this community does not gain any benefit from them.

Let your work speak for itself without resorting to repeated negativity toward others and their well respected achievements.

The past is the past....let it go, move on.

[Takeda Shingen]

What the hell is this thing necro'd for? Nothing good ever comes of this topic. Let's move on.

The Management

[mikaelanderlund]

*Taking off moderator cap*

You know full well about previous moderating history and some of the very talented people involved (I don't feel the need to name them because their achievements and services to this community are legend).

"Skill" was in abundance by a great many people in days gone by and is not a commodity that should be measured unilaterally and dismissed or denigrated in what can be interpreted as a bold outspoken statement.

My advice to you which I'm confident you will ignore is...stop the snidey remarks because this community does not gain any benefit from them.

Let your work speak for itself without resorting to repeated negativity toward others and their well respected achievements.

The past is the past....let it go, move on.

Old man, please move on:yep:

:salute:

[Harmsway!]

Okay I'm done lurking the forums for awhile. Time to take a break and talk to the wife.

[ttriarsi5689]

Having logged considerable time on both games and enjoying them both for their own charms, I almost feel like they have different aims in regards to what they are trying to simulate to the player. Silent Hunter III, with GWX for me, comes across as trying to be a more complete sim, and what I mean is its aim is to give the user the opportunity to run the ENTIRE u-boat down literally turning the dials and such, and SH5 is more of giving the orders as the captain. I think Ubi was trying make Silent Hunter 5 be more of a SUBMARINE CAPTAIN simulation, not total SUBSIM like SH3. They have their strong points, and I would not be playing SH5 today if it weren't for the brilliance put into SH3.

[Sailor Steve]

NECRO ALERT! NECRO ALERT!

I was responding to yet another "Which is best?" thread and I stumbled upon this.

Wait another year and SH5 will crap on SH3. :DL
Well, it's been two years and I'm still waiting. :sunny:

Sorry, Tak. I just had to.

[Trevally.]

What the hell is this thing necro'd for? Nothing good ever comes of this topic. Let's move on.

The Management

:agree:

[STEED]

Let's move on.

The Management

London I say...Why you ask? Last chance for a sun tan this weekend. :sunny:

[Jimbuna]

NECRO ALERT! NECRO ALERT!

I was responding to yet another "Which is best?" thread and I stumbled upon this.


Well, it's been two years and I'm still waiting. :sunny:

Sorry, Tak. I just had to.

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/9940/oldmummyhead.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/29/oldmummyhead.jpg/)

:O:

[Kaluen Miechiel]

I've been playing sh3 for quite awhile but I haven't been in the Forum for awhile either. Some of you might remember me. But, back to the question. I play a vanilla game of sh3. I've ben waiting for for the bugs to be worked out of sh5 and I'd like to know just what is the better game, sh3 or sh5. I rather disliked sh4 but I am interseted in sh5. What's up ?

[Sailor Steve]

If you play vanilla SH3 then you are missing out on everything good. Vanilla has nothing to offer. Nothing.

If you want an answer to your question, go back and read this entire thread.

The read this one.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=181798

And this one.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=191523

And this one.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=164880

And this one.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=190142

And this one.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=190995

And this one.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=189825

And this one.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=190140

And this one.
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=186063

Then you'll get close to an answer, which is that it all depends on what you want. If you want spectacular graphics, the ability to walk around the whole u-boat, true real navigation, then SH5 is a good deal. If you want to drive a Type II or Type IX, have a free-roaming campaign that lets you sink more than one hundred different types of merchant ships then stick with SH3.

SH5 is great, but still lacks some major campaign functions that may or may not ever get there. Once I have a decent computer I'll play both. No, I'll play all three, plus SH1 and Aces Of The Deep.

Everything you hear or read will be opinion. There is no fact, no "this one is better". SH5 is cheap. Spend the five bucks and decide for yourself.

Oh, and get some mods for that SH3. You have no idea what you're missing. :sunny:

[Webster]

always thought questions like these were just crazy (but understandable it would be asked)


its like comparing angry birds to mrs. pacman, these gamnes are completely different and only share the same subject matter is all.


then to compare a fully modded game to one thats not is completely unfare as well, but even if a thread was created to to answer the specific question of explaining the differences in the games it wouldnt stop these questions of which is better.

only you know what you like so no matter any answer you see here YOU will need to try them both and the fact that either game can be had for roughly $5-$10 then how can it be a situation where you cant afford to just buy both and try them both and if you find you dont like one then give it away to the neighbors kid or something.

the reason this bugs me is its like asking someone which woman you would like better, only you can decide what you like and no two people think alike so unless these games are both still selling for over $50 each then get both and enjoy both. plus, unlike with women, you wont get in trouble for doing both :03:

[Halface]

best would be to take the best from SH# and SH 5 and make a SH6

[GT182]

best would be to take the best from SH# and SH 5 and make a SH6

Seeing the game engines are different that would be one tough undertaking. The modder are working on it thru mods. A lot of progress has been made but more needs to be done. One big step would be an actual Type IX. And I understand that is being worked on too. Tho the Sort of IX Boat mod takes up some of the slack for now.

[Fish In The Water]

One big step would be an actual Type IX. And I understand that is being worked on too. Tho the Sort of IX Boat mod takes up some of the slack for now.

Personally, I prefer the VII, but that being said, I still shake my head at the thought of Ubi releasing SH5 with a single type. Still stunning after all this time. :stare:

[GT182]

Fish, I have to agree with you on UBI having only the Type VII in SH5. That was El Cheapo UBI all the way.

[Sailor Steve]

And I have to disagree that it was el cheapo. One of the demands players made was to be able to walk through the entire sub. That required full interior layouts and full crew animations. To do that for the Type IX would have taken another year. That would have strained the budget and the expectations of both the shareholders and the fans. The players had a choice: The same thing as earlier games or being able to walk through the entire boat, but only one type. You said you wanted to walk through the whole boat. You got what you asked for.

I disagreed with that, and I disagreed with the campaign system. There are plenty of things to complaign about in SH5. Only one type of u-boat isn't one of them.

[Fish In The Water]

One of the demands players made was to be able to walk through the entire sub. That required full interior layouts and full crew animations. To do that for the Type IX would have taken another year.

Pardon me, but I think you're exaggerating. IIRC, SH5 was announced in mid August of 09 and released in very early March 2010. The point being, it took far less than a year to complete the type VII layouts, so there's no reason to assume the type IX would have taken considerably longer.

You said you wanted to walk through the whole boat. You got what you asked for.Well, truth is , I didn't ask for it. :D

But point taken that the collective entity known as the 'community' called for it. Funny thing though, consensus doesn't always produce the best results. Case in point, democracy. :O:

Sometimes it's best to have actual experts lead the way rather than be guided by the howl of the mob. :D

Now that I've got my tongue out-of-my-cheek, I will say the lack of full interiors was a major shortcoming/issue with SH3, so to see it addressed (at long last) was more than a welcome relief.

There are plenty of things to complaign about in SH5. Only one type of u-boat isn't one of them.I still think it's a valid complaint. Valid largely on the basis that SH5 purports to be a historical sim, (a.k.a. The Battle of the Atlantic). Last time I checked, the Germans deployed more than a single type of boat in the campaign. This being the case, I would no more expect SH5 to contain a single unit than I would IL-2 (Cliffs of Dover) to have only Ju-87 Stukas.

If IL-2 had released in such a state, even the most casual observer would have considered it a joke. So whilst thou art a nice guy :03:, I think you're being far too kind to Ubi in this instance.

[Sonarman]

Pardon me, but I think you're exaggerating. IIRC, SH5 was announced in mid August of 09 and released in very early March 2010. The point being, it took far less than a year to complete the type VII layouts, so there's no reason to assume the type IX would have taken considerably longer.



There is a big difference in when a game is announced and when a project is started. Look at SH Online it may have been announced in April this year but judging by the screenshots it was already substantially complete and has still not been released. Dan Dimitrescu lead developer of SHV indicated that planning for SHO was in fact started just after the SH5 release date way back in spring 2010.

[Sailor Steve]

Well, truth is , I didn't ask for it. :D
Nor did I. In fact, I said at the time I thought it was a waste of time as it would be cool to do it a few times, and then it would become part of the background.

But point taken that the collective entity known as the 'community' called for it. Funny thing though, consensus doesn't always produce the best results. Case in point, democracy. :O:
I remember the noise made in its favor, especially on Ubisoft's own boards.

Now that I've got my tongue out-of-my-cheek, I will say the lack of full interiors was a major shortcoming/issue with SH3, so to see it addressed (at long last) was more than a welcome relief.
Again I disagree. SH1 had no 3D interiors at all, and yet it still stands out as having features lost on the later versions. But then I still play Aces Of The Deep, so what do I know?

I still think it's a valid complaint. Valid largely on the basis that SH5 purports to be a historical sim, (a.k.a. The Battle of the Atlantic). Last time I checked, the Germans deployed more than a single type of boat in the campaign. This being the case, I would no more expect SH5 to contain a single unit than I would IL-2 (Cliffs of Dover) to have only Ju-87 Stukas.
And I agree. In fact that's one of the reasons I say SH3 is still superior. Every time someone praises SH5 for its graphics and say SH3 is awful for that reason, I just mention my latest patrol in my Type II. I still say that the choice was between having all types of u-boats and being able to walk all the way through one.

There is a big difference in when a game is announced and when a project is started. Look at SH Online it may have been announced in April this year but judging by the screenshots it was already substantially complete and has still not been released. Dan Dimitrescu lead developer of SHV indicated that planning for SHO was in fact started just after the SH5 release date way back in spring 2010.
At the Houston SubSim meeting in 2008 Dan had a question-and-answer session, asking us what we'd like to see in a "possible future subsim". SH5 was under construction even then.

[Targor Avelany]

and very clearly on the above examples it can be seem, again and again, that it is all a matter or personal preference... :sunny:
Personally, I love walking around the boat. I rarely teleport. I like the eye-candy of the SH5. I extremely love Real Navigation - though that is more of a TDW win than Ubi's. It now feels un-natural to just plot the course, I enjoy (hm... not sure if mazocistical tendencies are good in this case :o) having to find land in the fog, or trying to understand where exactly you are by the shape of the land... Or being completely lost. I'm pretty sure you can't really do that in SH3..

On another hand - lack of boats, crew management, morale engine, and no-career mode in comparison to SH3 is just... ugh. :shifty:

The only real difference that I see, tbh, is the availability for modding.
SH3 pretty much modded out. People created tremendous and amazing mods for SH3, making it absolutely astonishing game.

But there is not much improvement can be done now.

well, where SH5 has a LOT to still work on.


As a side note, to my knowledge, Cybermath and silentmichael were working on Type II playable; I bet many people are working on properly cloning a playable unit (I know I'm trying to)...

We'll live, we'll see...

[Sailor Steve]

and very clearly on the above examples it can be seem, again and again, that it is all a matter or personal preference... :sunny:
Yes indeed, and despite my seeming negativity I have said many times in the past that SH5 shows more potential than any of them. Once I have a computer that will properly run it I intend to play them all, and for different reasons. I've also said that once SH5 has the options that SH3 has, the older game will go on the shelf forever. That looks like it's going to take awhile, though...

[Fish In The Water]

There is a big difference in when a game is announced and when a project is started. Look at SH Online it may have been announced in April this year but judging by the screenshots it was already substantially complete and has still not been released. Dan Dimitrescu lead developer of SHV indicated that planning for SHO was in fact started just after the SH5 release date way back in spring 2010.


At the Houston SubSim meeting in 2008 Dan had a question-and-answer session, asking us what we'd like to see in a "possible future subsim". SH5 was under construction even then.

Quite right, but what I'm saying is there's a big difference between what would be classified as pre-production work and full blown development.

Pre-production is normally carried out by a small team over an extended period, whereas full development has a far more condensed timeline with a much higher priority in terms of manpower and resources. This being the case, it's difficult to pinpoint the actual correlation between the two, except to say 'pre' is likely only a fraction in terms of the overall project. :sunny:

[josep]

:up: for me SH5 is the 1

[Fifi]

Idem! :salute:

[Cybermat47]

And I agree. In fact that's one of the reasons I say SH3 is still superior. Every time someone praises SH5 for its graphics and say SH3 is awful for that reason, I just mention my latest patrol in my Type II.

They should remake SHIII without changing the engine, but gupive it SH5 graphics :D

They ptprobably won't, though :wah:

[Fish In The Water]

They should remake SHIII without changing the engine, but gupive it SH5 graphics :D

They ptprobably won't, though :wah:

III was a gem, no argument there. It had that special intangible feel to it. Great job in capturing the 'depressive U-boat' environment. A true classic. :up:

[reignofdeath]

III was a gem, no argument there. It had that special intangible feel to it. Great job in capturing the 'depressive U-boat' environment. A true classic. :up:

I liked the way I had it modded. If it had SH5 or even SH4 graphics Hell Id be content. The graphics how they are are fine though.

[Fish In The Water]

I liked the way I had it modded.

I think that's part of what made it so special. The fact that so many people were 'captured' by it, led to a very deep collection of mods that made it everything it could be.

People mod what they love, and SH3 got lots of love! :woot:

[Faamecanic]

I liked the way I had it modded. If it had SH5 or even SH4 graphics Hell Id be content. The graphics how they are are fine though.


As of today I STILL go back to my SH3 with GWX, and some audio files from my grammaphone. And those are the only mods I need to make SH3 a joy to play even years later.

SH5, while full of eye-candy, is too buggy and with the mod soup you have to install (without a supermod to collate all the great mods to ensure compatibility) it just isnt worth my time or trouble. I have YET to complete a campaign in SH5 without loosing a save file, or it bugging my campaign out to the point of havinig to start over. And its not because I die.

SH3 I have finished 2 GWX campaigns (by being VERY careful in the later years) and made it past 1943 on several others before meeting my demise.