How is Silent Hunter V ?

[vodkaphile]

I loved SHIII, SHIV was pretty good in my book but I like u-boats better.

So, how does it compare? I wasn't even aware it was out so soon, will have to pick it up ASAP.

[robbo180265]

Check out a few of the reviews on the game - I recommend the SimHQ one and of course Neal's.

In my opinion its a great game and you may get it quite cheap now too , but don't go buying it expecting it to be as good as a heavily modded SH3 or 4.

You only have one sub at the mo - the type 7 and also the game only goes to '43. You will also need a permanant online connection to play it because of the protection.

It's pretty much what you'd expect from a Silent hunter game out of the box - arcady, a few bugs and of course we are waiting to see if there will be any other patches.

You should be able to get it cheap enough for it to be worth the risk.

[Capt.Warner]

I love the game with the mods I have.:DL
The game is very good.

[Brag]

The constantly online requirement is aa deal breaker for me.

[Safe-Keeper]

Depends on how much time you're willing to spend installing mods to fix it.

With mods, it's tons of fun, although still fairly arcadeish at heart.

[Zedi]

Skip the annoying "I will not buy it because drm, sh3 rox" comments and go for it. Since patch 1.2 is really enjoyable and playable. There are still few minor bugs and glitches, but nothing serious and which can't be covered with mods. Right now I would rate it 8/10, before patch was 4.5/10 or lower. And btw, I own the game and play it without mods.

[mookiemookie]

Depends on how much time you're willing to spend installing mods to fix it.

With mods, it's tons of fun, although still fairly arcadeish at heart.

I'd echo this sentiment. Strides are being made to rework the shipping and the campaign, so this is looking like it will be addressed at some point.

[FIREWALL]

Skip the annoying "I will not buy it because drm, sh3 rox" comments and go for it. Since patch 1.2 is really enjoyable and playable. There are still few minor bugs and glitches, but nothing serious and which can't be covered with mods. Right now I would rate it 8/10, before patch was 4.5/10 or lower. And btw, I own the game and play it without mods.


Takeing the day off from Ubisoft to post here ? :roll:

[Zedi]

Takeing the day off from Ubisoft to post here ? :roll:

:mad::damn:

[MataDirtyHarry]

My answer regarding this is a single word: unplayable. Besides my answer, the game speaks for itself ...

[robbo180265]

My answer regarding this is a single word: unplayable. Besides my answer, the game speaks for itself ...

Do we own the same game? I hardly think it unplayable, is it possible that something else is causing your problems - drivers maybe ? your rig?

Why not publish your specs and we'll see if we can get that game you own working for you matey.

[Westbroek]

Clearly, there's a broad range of opinions. The best course of action at this point is to just find out for yourself. With the mods, it's well beyond playable and is pretty enjoyable. There's always mods coming out to further the experience so if you're ready to treat it like a hobby, not as one-time play through expecting the whole world in one go round, it'll be right up your alley. If you want a console like experience where you play it once through otb then shelf it... it's probably not your thing.

[Méo]

:mad::damn:

Don't be mad.

It is strictly forbidden to have different opinion about this game.

If you dare, whether you're someone who works for Ubi, ...or simply a fanboy.

[Placoderm]

Takeing the day off from Ubisoft to post here ? :roll:


^^ LOL!! I was thinking the same thing as I read that post...

It is becoming more and more obvious that Ubisoft has several people planted here to try to boost up the game, and it does not take much to figure out who they are...



The reality is that the 1.2 patch screwed up nearly as much as it tried to fix, and that after the patch it is still, at best, at 5/10 game.

--We still play with barely a handful of ship types as targets, and of those few many are historically incorrect placeholders (I.E. Liberty ships in 1939).
--We still have a fairly generic sub interior to represent several classes of Type VII submarines. Although it is beautifully detailed, it is only representative of one class, and as such was as halfheartedly done as the rest of the game.
--We still have no fear of mines, nets, or most any aircraft.
--We still have enemy AI that is both blind and completely unreactive to events around it.
--We still cannot import ships (a feature that was promised to us as a delaying tactic and an excuse for the patch being delayed for over a month)
--We can dive to exactly 50 meters depth and enjoy complete immunity from enemy detection.
--We still have targets that explode and sink so predictably as to only only be of interest to a 9 year old with attention deficit issues. Thanks to the patch, we no longer have enemy sailors casually walking the decks of burning infernos as they sink....instead they now wait until it is sitting on the bottom of the ocean to do so. Great work Ubisoft...
--We still have to suffer the tip-tap-tip-tap of our invisible avatars feet racing down the submarines corridors as though he were a meth addict...even if we are walking slowly or stepping through bulkheads.
--We still have to rely on the work of many talented modders to deliver what should have been included off the shelf, from the begining. Without several basic mods, the game is essentially unplayable even after the patch regardless of what Mag is trying to sell you in his above post.
--We still have basically empty friendly ports, with no band to greet us and only token friendly shipping to try to avoid whenever possible. Of that shipping that is present, most will sink themselves if given enough time. Yes, they ARE that dumb.
--We still have essentially barren enemy ports, so any hope of bringing excitement to the game by trying an unscheduled raid on Scapa or Southhampton or New York will be met with a big giant "WTF mate?". New York was apparently cleared of all life by mutant zombies in 1938, and Scapa Flow is just as easily (and probably more sucessuflly) attacked from the surface...or just a few inches under said surface.
--We still have dozens more issues that I could write, but I think I have made my point. SH5 ver 1.2 is such a teeny tiny improvement over the stock game that Ubisoft should be embarrassed to even call it 1.2. It is more like ver. 1.15.4 , at best.


So in answer to the original posters question: "How is Silent Hunter V? (after the latest patch?)"

SH5 is beautiful (it truly is), but that does not a good game make. It is still buggy, unfinished, and an ongoing insult by Ubisoft to it's paying customers. It is pretty (I already said that), but so is cotton candy until you eat it...and then when you do you just feel unfulfilled and sick to your stomach at the same time. Yeah, that is what SH5 is still like to this day: Pretty...and sickening, all at the same time.



:salute:

[capt-jones]

:salute:it is getting better all the time,:03: so save up your money you tight old skin-flints or you will miss the boat:yep:

[kylania]

^^ LOL!! I was thinking the same thing as I read that post...

It is becoming more and more obvious that Ubisoft has several people planted here to try to boost up the game, and it does not take much to figure out who they are...

You honesty think Ubisoft has "audience plants" but doesn't even have an official community spokesman or any form of official communication about the game? :hmmm::o

That's ridiculous.

[robbo180265]

I'd say you've got the good the bad and the ugly rolled into one convenient thread here:03:

:har:

[robbo180265]

You honesty think Ubisoft has "audience plants" but doesn't even have an official community spokesman or any form of official communication about the game? :hmmm::o

That's ridiculous.

Nope - just another round of name calling , that's all.

[Lundo]

It is playable, you just have to running back and forth every time there is a special order for a specifick person. And some of the SH3 orders are missing.
You can't skip recharging Batteri to get more speed.
The beloved gramofon is gone.
There are some label on different equipment that makes no sence.

But if you get startet it is very difficult to stop again.:damn:

[mookiemookie]

It is becoming more and more obvious that Ubisoft has several people planted here to try to boost up the game, and it does not take much to figure out who they are...

Where's my check, Ubi? Being a shill costs money. Throw some shekels my way!

Good lord, this forum goes more into the crapper every day.

[kylania]

It is playable, you just have to running back and forth every time there is a special order for a specifick person. And some of the SH3 orders are missing.
You can't skip recharging Batteri to get more speed.
The beloved gramofon is gone.
There are some label on different equipment that makes no sence.

But if you get startet it is very difficult to stop again.:damn:

All of those problems have been fixed with mods. Check them out (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/forumdisplay.php?f=249). :)

[ReallyDedPoet]

Good lord, this forum goes more into the crapper every day.

Only if you let it mookie :yep: , don't.

Also, there are threads that are crap, acheive crapper status :), but SUBSIM in the end will still be here when the dust settles.

I'll continue to have fun with 5 despite all of this.

[Placoderm]

You honesty think Ubisoft has "audience plants" but doesn't even have an official community spokesman or any form of official communication about the game? :hmmm::o

That's ridiculous.

Yes, absolutely. "Audience plants" require no official backing on what they state. Official spokespersons and communications require accountability...whereas cheerleaders do not. In legalese mumbo jumbo it is called "Plausible Deniability", and is a common tactic to insert positive opinion where none or very little exists. My background is in Corporate Marketing. My company did it when we dropped the ball, and Ubisoft has shown by their actions over and over again that they are not above the same tactics. Do I have proof? Nope. Do I need proof? Nope. It is simply my opinion...but right or wrong I am not alone in thinking such cheerleading is taking place.

:yawn:

[M4XDmG]

:DL This thread exploded fast! And yes, SH5 is good. Very good.

Edit:
So what if there is "audience plants". I bet there is. But I like the game because I did find it entertaining, not because somebody else said it's good. Actually I bought this game even when almost all comments and reviews I checked forehand said Don't Buy, It Is Rubbish!

[Brag]

Yes, absolutely. "Audience plants" require no official backing on what they state. Official spokespersons and communications require accountability...whereas cheerleaders do not. In legalese mumbo jumbo it is called "Plausible Deniability", and is a common tactic to insert positive opinion where none or very little exists. My background is in Corporate Marketing. My company did it when we dropped the ball, and Ubisoft has shown by their actions over and over again that they are not above the same tactics. Do I have proof? Nope. Do I need proof? Nope. It is simply my opinion...but right or wrong I am not alone in thinking such cheerleading is taking place.

:yawn:

The plants are easily recognized as they use same key words in their Rah-rah posts. I wonder when they have time to play the game they so much enjoy as they are here posting all the time :haha::haha::haha::haha::haha:

[mookiemookie]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_7Se7iswAanA/StgHrYvHygI/AAAAAAAAJgo/LXkB_a9y64o/s400/tinfoil_hat.jpg

[TwistedFemur]

fanboy.

Thats fanBOI

[robbo180265]

Thats fanBOI

:har: Yeah get it right you lot lol !

(please tell me that they're not serious about the whole poster plants thing)

[Nisgeis]

It is still buggy, unfinished, and an ongoing insult by Ubisoft to it's paying customers.

The people who seem to feel the most insulted by it are the ones who didn't pay for it.

[robbo180265]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/consp.jpg

:har::har::har:

[Placoderm]

Edit:
So what if there is "audience plants"(?).

So what if there is? "So what" is exactly right. There is nothing wrong with it, and it is an accepted and low-cost marketing strategy. I was simply replying to Kylania's denial that they exist...which I know from first-hand experience that they do.

Originally I was just referring to Firewalls post, which I thought was hilarious as well as possibly insightful.

I do find it interesting that not one person has disputed the bulk of my prior post that was in response to the OP's original question. I listed several things that the OP should be aware of, and was specific about why I considered Mags post about the game now being an "8/10" to be spurious at best...but instead of disputing what I wrote, some folks preferred to attack the messinger rather than the message. That, itself, should be of interest to anyone asking "How is Silent Hunter 5"...since even the hardiest of fans cannot dispute the still glaring holes in the current state of the game, -although they will repeat over and over how good the game looks and how cool it is to walk around inside the sub and how modders will fix everyting...eventually. None of those things address the shoddy condition of the games original and current flaws as it is delivered by the publisher.

Of even greater interest is the older thread about "Has Silent Hunter 5 kept your interest"...in which the vast majority stated that it was really really cool and fun to play...for about 2 weeks. Repeat: Two weeks. That was the average, with some more and some less. If nothing else, that should show that awesome graphics and a walk-thru interior are not enough to keep a game alive.

But instead, certain people want to focus on the half tongue-in-cheek statements by myself and Firewall. Interestingly, that is another political/corporate/marketing tactic...it's called "Diversion". Look it up.


:yawn:

[Méo]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/consp.jpg



:har: :88)


Thats fanBOI
Ok..:88)

[oscar19681]

uhm apart from the bugs you mean? Well apart from the bugs it pretty good actually?

[mookiemookie]

I listed several things that the OP should be aware of, and was specific about why I considered Mags post about the game now being an "8/10" to be spurious at best...but instead of disputing what I wrote, some folks preferred to attack the messinger rather than the message.

What I found ridiculous is how people like you jump all over anyone who happens to have a different opinion than yours and actually enjoys the game. Maybe in his mind it truly is an 8/10. What's wrong with that? Different strokes for different folks and whatnot. Why do you assume that makes him an Ubisoft plant?

I'm still laughing over that...a company who has botched the marketing of this game every step of the way and couldnt even be bothered to spell check the website for the game is the same company that has got some super secret army of sophisticated black ops COINTELPRO moles posting positive information about SH5. :har:

[Méo]

I wonder when they have time to play the game they so much enjoy as they are here posting all the time

It's very simple, I'm waiting to get a new rig and waiting until it gets more finished.

Btw, your ''they are here posting all the time'' ...it makes more sense spending time to discuss about something you're interested rather than something you're not. :hmmm:

Maybe in his mind it truly is an 8/10. What's wrong with that? Different strokes for different folks and whatnot. Why do you assume that makes him an Ubisoft plant?

Or maybe he's just a very young man and that's no reason to insult him, they just don't get it.

[robbo180265]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/dramaim.png

I really can't do this anymore - keep thinking of the Monty Python argument sketch. Damn you Steve and the others! :har:

[Sailor Steve]

I don't think Magnum is in the same class as Trenken or MattDizzle. He has posted in the regular threads and did say that before the patch he only gave it a 4.5. Disagree all you like, but that seems like a fair judgement to me.

Skip the annoying "I will not buy it because drm, sh3 rox" comments and go for it.
I agree. This was a thread asking what users of SH5 thought of it, not whether those who don't have it were going to buy it, or why. I'm one of the ones who won't buy it while it has that DRM, and even I think it's getting annoying.

On the other hand, some of us can't "go for it" because we can't run it. My status has changed recently, but the many who still can't play it have a legitimate beef, but that's not for threads like this one.

[MataDirtyHarry]

Do we own the same game? I hardly think it unplayable, is it possible that something else is causing your problems - drivers maybe ? your rig?

Why not publish your specs and we'll see if we can get that game you own working for you matey.
Oh boy ... When I've wrote my reply to the OP's post, I was almost 100% percent sure that at least one of UBI fanbois around here will have something to say about what's I've said. You know, if it wouldn't be sad, it would be really funny ...:D In fact, it is, anyway. UBI planted people or fanbois taking the bait.

[robbo180265]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/Ohmygoddrama.jpg

[Placoderm]

What I found ridiculous is how people like you jump all over anyone who happens to have a different opinion than yours and actually enjoys the game.

How did I "jump all over him"?

I posted obvious flaws in the current game that have still not been addressed by you or anyone else in this thread. In the first sentence of my post I agreed with Firewalls comical statement, and that was all. In my second sentence I did not specifiy anyone by name, so any assumption of my intent is strictly your own.

If anything, you and Kyalania have jumped all over me for sharing MY opinion...including that (admittedly funny) picutre of the guy with the tin-foil hat.

Perhaps it is the pot who is calling the kettle black?


Maybe in his mind it truly is an 8/10. What's wrong with that?

Maybe it is an 8/10 in his mind. Nothing is wrong with that, and I never said it was. I simply stated in clear terms why I felt that it was not an 8/10 in MY opinion.

Again, instead of attacking the message, you prefer to target the messinger. Interesting, that.



Why do you assume that makes him an Ubisoft plant?

You apparently missed the irony of Firewalls post. I thought it was funny. I did not call out anyone by name. Again, the assumption is yours alone. Sorry, I cannot control that.

I'm still laughing over that...a company who has botched the marketing of this game every step of the way and couldnt even be bothered to spell check the website for the game...

On this we can agree!! (See, I knew we could find common ground!) :yeah:



...is the same company that has got some super secret army of sophisticated black ops COINTELPRO moles posting positive information about SH5. :har:

No. Not at all. There is no conspiracy. There is no plot, and there are no "sophisticated black ops COINTELPRO moles". What I said it that it is a common corporate tactic to use any means necessary to promote its products and diffuse bad press and opinion. I am sure that Ives is not hurredly tapping away at his keyboard under a false username...but I would not put it past any marketing department or it's job-fearful employees to do so as a means to promote its poorly-selling product. In the same sense, I would not put it past any production or development personell to do so in an attempt to defeat dissent and keep their fragile jobs. I know this from first-hand experience...WE did it ourselves to boost market (client) perception when we knew darn well that we screwed up. End of story.


I am not calling anyone out by name. Firewall made a funny comment. I commented ONE sentence about that comment. I then returned to the topic of the discussion, you know, "What is Silent Hunter 5 like now", and moved on.

Lets stay on topic and forget about all the "woe is me", " I am a victim of anyone with a different opinion" crapola, lest we start quote-mining all the statements from both sides of the issue.

Even SimHQ cannot recommend this game as it stands, and that is what the OP was wanting to know.



:yawn:

[Placoderm]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/Ohmygoddrama.jpg

LOL! That is priceless! :D

:haha:

[robbo180265]

LOL! That is priceless! :D

:haha:

A pleasure :O:

Edit to add: I can't be assed to go over the same arguments any more. Expect funny pics instead:shucks:

[JScones]

^^
http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2010/04/129152070011537922.jpg

@OP: Buy it. Then when you come here to post that it suxxors, you don't need to spend one page proving that you own it, which, apparently, is a pre-requisite for having an opinion on the game (although you don't need to own it if you plan on saying that it's the best game eva).:yeah:

[robbo180265]

^^^

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w181/robbo180265/1180428736673-1.jpg

:har:

[Zedi]

I had hard time to hold it back, but wtf.. I had enough. Call me an employee after I was on the edge of being jailed using "inappropriate" words and a lots of hate against Ubi, fighting with the "patience, this game will deliver and bla-bla" posts? And now when I state that SH5 finally become playable I'm called a mofo ubi emploee? :damn: I mean, wtf .. if I'm a hater I have to stay hater no matter what?!

Really, I'm so sick of those who ninja every thread with "drm sux, sh3 rox". Soon as a new member register here to ask opinions before he buy the game, his thread will become a flame, an argument clinic. For how long?

Go buy the God damn game and play it, then come back and discuss what you like or dislike in the game. Don't just stand around the corner waiting to bash every f'ing thread about SH5. Post your opinion and let the man decide. And if you disagree with some1 else, say something more than calling him a ubi employee. But ofc, 80% of the haters can't say more than "I will not buy it until this ***ing drm will not be removed" just because they don't own and play the game. So who cares?! I don't. Go find the Ubi HQ, set up your tent there and let them know how much ur against this drm crap. Maybe they will care more than me/us.

And back to topic.. I said SH5 is more than enjoyable now because for me the biggest problem was the completely retarded AI. I can live with only 4 type merchant ships, with 1 type of u-boot and all that ***, but not with a retarded AI. And the AI was improved since patch, true story. Who is not able to see that ... is not playing the game, or maybe he use some mods that overwrite the stock settings. I played the f'ing game all day long on Sunday and had a great time fighting the AI. I plan to post more screen shots in the dedicated thread later on, but here is one that impressed me very much. Is a brit u-boat sinking after I had a short dogfight with him. I wanted to sail over him for taking a nice screenie, but for my huge surprise with his last energy left he tried to ram me from under water.. and he almost got me:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4614889382_10c1c7bf51_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3405/4614284951_da99917981_o.jpg

Bottom line, the AI is improved very much. Ofc, there are bugs and glitches left, but nothing that makes the game unplayable anymore or is not covered by mods. Hopefully future patches will fix the rest..

[robbo180265]

I don't think Magnum is in the same class as Trenken or MattDizzle. He has posted in the regular threads and did say that before the patch he only gave it a 4.5. Disagree all you like, but that seems like a fair judgement to me.


I agree. This was a thread asking what users of SH5 thought of it, not whether those who don't have it were going to buy it, or why. I'm one of the ones who won't buy it while it has that DRM, and even I think it's getting annoying.

On the other hand, some of us can't "go for it" because we can't run it. My status has changed recently, but the many who still can't play it have a legitimate beef, but that's not for threads like this one.


Wisest words in this whole thread IMO.

[Moeceefus]

well worth it imo. very playable as is. with mods, even better. its the direction we're moving in and whether people like it or not, it will be surpassing 3 + 4 in every way given a little time and modder love. its time to move on. pong was the best at one point in time, but at some point it was time to advance :up:

[Sonarman]

I'd give it a 60% on release and a 75% now, most of the largest issues have been tackled by the dev team and modders. Particular credit must be given to theDarkWraith who has single handedly managed to fix both the hydrophone notepad and the stadimeter as well as giving us back the SH3 & SH4 +TDC interfaces that we know so well and also the "jump to station" feature missing from SH5. I have been off work for a couple of weeks and been watching his mod grow and he has been here fixing and changing things almost all day, every day for that time. This community & indeed Ubisoft are very much in his debt for his tremendous work.

As it stands SH5 has much better ports than previous incarnations, much better graphics, a new realistic ship identification system and is the most open in terms of scripting of the series. But it still feels a little empty without the huge amount of shipping and other features added to the previous games. Hopefully with the latest tweaks the devs have done to the model import our modders will now be able to populate the world with SH3/SH4 ships. It is a great shame that we only got one type of U-Boat and that the war ends in 43. I am still hoping for an addon to fix these things but the poor sales of the game may have put paid to that and it may as is becoming the norm be up to our gallant modders to complete the experience.

To my mind Ubisoft's greatest failure with SH5 beyond the DRM has been to the new players that they were trying so desperately to attract, they made the mistake of putting a too simplistic tutorial in the campaign itself which meant new players could not go back to repeat actions and try different ways of doing things, they inflicted the new rudderless (literally & figuratively) UI on the game then they gave us a manual that hardly explains anything with useless tiny screenshots.

[Sailor Steve]

@ Magnum: Well said.:sunny:

[Bilge_Rat]

I had hard time to hold it back, but wtf.. I had enough. Call me an employee after I was on the edge of being jailed using "inappropriate" words and a lots of hate against Ubi, fighting with the "patience, this game will deliver and bla-bla" posts? And now when I state that SH5 finally become playable I'm called a mofo ubi emploee? :damn: I mean, wtf .. if I'm a hater I have to stay hater no matter what?!

Really, I'm so sick of those who ninja every thread with "drm sux, sh3 rox". Soon as a new member register here to ask opinions before he buy the game, his thread will become a flame, an argument clinic. For how long?

Go buy the God damn game and play it, then come back and discuss what you like or dislike in the game. Don't just stand around the corner waiting to bash every f'ing thread about SH5. Post your opinion and let the man decide. And if you disagree with some1 else, say something more than calling him a ubi employee. But ofc, 80% of the haters can't say more than "I will not buy it until this ***ing drm will not be removed" just because they don't own and play the game. So who cares?! I don't. Go find the Ubi HQ, set up your tent there and let them know how much ur against this drm crap. Maybe they will care more than me/us.

And back to topic.. I said SH5 is more than enjoyable now because for me the biggest problem was the completely retarded AI. I can live with only 4 type merchant ships, with 1 type of u-boot and all that ***, but not with a retarded AI. And the AI was improved since patch, true story. Who is not able to see that ... is not playing the game, or maybe he use some mods that overwrite the stock settings. I played the f'ing game all day long on Sunday and had a great time fighting the AI. I plan to post more screen shots in the dedicated thread later on, but here is one that impressed me very much. Is a brit u-boat sinking after I had a short dogfight with him. I wanted to sail over him for taking a nice screenie, but for my huge surprise with his last energy left he tried to ram me from under water.. and he almost got me:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4025/4614889382_10c1c7bf51_o.jpg
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3405/4614284951_da99917981_o.jpg

Bottom line, the AI is improved very much. Ofc, there are bugs and glitches left, but nothing that makes the game unplayable anymore or is not covered by mods. Hopefully future patches will fix the rest..

very well said Magnum, enjoy the game. Nice screenies too. :up:

[Méo]

@ Magnum

+1

----

Btw, have you seen the new Iron Man 2 ??


If not, DON'T EVER SPEND YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY TO SEE THAT PIECE OF ******* SH!T !!! :damn::damn::damn:




On a side note: I didn't watch it, I just saw some anonymous guys on the internet who said it was bad. ;)

...and I don't even know if those guys watched it either, but does it really matter? :O:

[Sailor Steve]

:rotfl2:

I started a thread in General Topics, where it belongs. And I really liked it.:O:

[MataDirtyHarry]

@ Magnum

+1

----

Btw, have you seen the new Iron Man 2 ??


If not, DON'T EVER SPEND YOUR HARD EARNED MONEY TO SEE THAT PIECE OF ******* SH!T !!! :damn::damn::damn:





On a side note: I didn't watch it, I just saw some anonymous guys on the internet who said it was bad. ;)

...and I don't even know if those guys watched it either, but does it really matter? :O:

What else can be said about a person who is talking about Iron Man 2 ... Not much. In fact, enjoying SH5 is from the same league with watching movies like Iron Man 2.

[robbo180265]

What else can be said about a person who is talking about Iron Man 2 ... Not much. In fact, enjoying SH5 is from the same league with watching movies like Iron Man 2.


troll [verb] to disrupt the boards, post up offensive/argumentative stuff with no other point than to make a fuss/create mayhem/quarrel/get the thread binned; [noun] (1) person engaged in trolling; (2) accusation levelled at someone with a different view, akin to saying "You have beaten me in an argument, and i'm taking my ball home" (arch ernism)

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[MataDirtyHarry]

troll [verb] to disrupt the boards, post up offensive/argumentative stuff with no other point than to make a fuss/create mayhem/quarrel/get the thread binned; [noun] (1) person engaged in trolling; (2) accusation levelled at someone with a different view, akin to saying "You have beaten me in an argument, and i'm taking my ball home" (arch ernism)

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Thank you, you've really manage to enlight me in your wisdom.

[Méo]

:rotfl2:

I started a thread in General Topics, where it belongs. And I really liked it.:O:

Lol, what a coincidence!

I was just trying to :O::O::O:

[robbo180265]

Lol, what a coincidence!

I was just trying to :O::O::O:

Great minds eh? :rotfl2:

[vodkaphile]

:salute:it is getting better all the time,:03: so save up your money you tight old skin-flints or you will miss the boat:yep:

Sims and RTS games are like wine mostly, sometimes the longer you wait the better they become.

I preordered SH3 and I bought SH4 the day it was released.

I have just been out of gaming for the most part for a while now, a while at least for me (4-5mo).

The issue to me is less of the money and more of supporting unfinished, buggy, arcade games that are called sims when they are fed to the sim-hungry masses.:damn:

Don't get me wrong, I will buy the game and I want the series to continue yet at the same time I see great flaws in the series and hate to continually support a company that is raping a good game.

Without the community, SH3 or 4 wouldn't have been half of what they were and we shouldn't have to fix a product ourselves.

This isn't a rant about Ubisoft, well maybe it is in some regards, but it is really just a general rant about the state of PC games and the fact that companies think they can just release anything these days and fix it later.

It is a rant in the fact that Aces of the Deep is still probably a better SIM than SH3. Before you start, no I won't go back to AotD nor do I care to, improvements have been made and if I have to sacrifice some /realism/ for some eye candy and playability fine but where does it end?

Anyway, sorry about the big rant -

Yes the always online thing does seem very irritating as well, what if my connection dies or what not? Some times I play single player games because I'm out of town without constant internet access... what happens then?

[vodkaphile]

Bottom line, the AI is improved very much. Ofc, there are bugs and glitches left, but nothing that makes the game unplayable anymore or is not covered by mods. Hopefully future patches will fix the rest..

Nice screenshots and good to hear that the AI is improved. Bad AI were some of my biggest complaints in 3/4. AI is also generally hard to mod.

Question though, how well does sub vs sub combat work?

[Drifter]

Skip the annoying "I will not buy it because drm, sh3 rox" comments and go for it. Since patch 1.2 is really enjoyable and playable. There are still few minor bugs and glitches, but nothing serious and which can't be covered with mods. Right now I would rate it 8/10, before patch was 4.5/10 or lower. And btw, I own the game and play it without mods.

I laugh my a** off when I read statements like the one above. You really do sound like a paid mouthpiece for Ubisoft. :har:


There are still few minor bugs and glitches, but nothing serious and which can't be covered with modsA totally false statement. There are still plenty of serious things currently missing or broken in SH5 that are hard-coded and CANNOT BE FIXED OR ADDED BY MODDERS. Everyone had better pray that Ubi releases another patch or two addressing these hard-coded problems or SH5 is sunk.

And btw, I own the game but have shelved it until if and when it gets some proper patches. :shifty:

[kylania]

A totally false statement. There are still plenty of things currently broken in SH5 that are hard-coded and CANNOT BE FIXED BY MODDERS. Everyone had better pray that Ubi releases another patch or two addressing these hard-coded problems or SH5 is sunk. :shifty:

Rather than hysterical yelling, mind listing a few specific things that you feel can't be fixed?

I'm pretty sure the broken standimeter and no timestamp on map contacts were examples of entirely hard coded issues yet both of those have been fixed by a modder already.

[Drifter]

Rather than hysterical yelling, mind listing a few specific things that you feel can't be fixed?

I'm pretty sure the broken standimeter and no timestamp on map contacts were examples of entirely hard coded issues yet both of those have been fixed by a modder already.

Many of these hard-coded problems have already been listed elsewhere, but I will go ahead and list a few more important ones here again: Inability to import new ship models, missing mines and sub nets, magnetic detonators not working properly, etc. For anyone interested in realism, these are serious problems in my opinion. My 'hysterical yelling' as you put it was due to the blatant false statement made by Magnum. I am sick to death of people blindly attacking SH5, especially those who don't even have the game. But I am also sick to death of certain people who continue to jump in and blindly defend Ubisoft. :damn:

I feel I am somewhat qualified to know what can and cannot be changed due to hard-coding, as I have extensively picked apart the files pretty well while modding SH5. :doh:

[kylania]

Inability to import new ship models, missing mines and sub nets , magnetic detonators not working properly , etc.

Ships can be imported as of 1.2, mostly. Mag detonators were supposed to be fixed in 1.2, but yeah, I don't think they actually were. :down: Mines/Sub Nets are extremely vital to fix, indeed. :yep: Of all the oversights Ubi pulled this is one of the worst.

[Drifter]

But I　have no problem at all with those who are enjoying the game as it is now. I　am happy for them. But I personally am waiting to see if Ubisoft releases a proper patch before I jump back into modding and playing SH5 again.

[Drifter]

Ships can be imported as of 1.2, mostly. Mag detonators were supposed to be fixed in 1.2, but yeah, I don't think they actually were. :down: Mines/Sub Nets are extremely vital to fix, indeed. :yep: Of all the oversights Ubi pulled this is one of the worst.

I didn't know that about importing ships in v1.2. Good to know. :arrgh!:

[Placoderm]

Ships can be imported as of 1.2, mostly.

Really? I have not seen any mods to that effect yet, nor have I seen a way to do so in looking at the files.

Please share if there is something we are overlooking, as the lack of targets is one of the most commonly heard complaints.

What exactly does "mostly" mean? Are you saying that ships can be imported, but something is missing...like textures? If so, that is no different than what we were facing when the game was first released. Again, please clarify, as a ship mod would be worth the effort to add...if possible.


:cool:

[kylania]

Post #127 and below:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=166641&page=9

[Placoderm]

Post #127 and below:

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=166641&page=9

Thanks for the link Kylania! :yeah:

Unfortunately, in reading the thread (especially the posts #127 to 130) it still appears that there are still no working ship models that can be imported. The models that have been tried by modders have no reflections, no damage from deck guns, and other issues. It appears that in truth we are really no closer to importing ships sucessfully than we were prior to patch 1.2, and that is unfortunate.

If we are any closer to importing ship models, it is due to the diligent work of the modders and not due to the patch for the most part.

:zzz:

[Zedi]

Nice screenshots and good to hear that the AI is improved. Bad AI were some of my biggest complaints in 3/4. AI is also generally hard to mod.

Question though, how well does sub vs sub combat work?

Is based on luck. If the enemy sub spot you first, he will dive to 50m and start evasive maneuvers on max speed. The dogfight I had with the enemy sub was very short, I spotted him first so I had time to dive right before he spotted me so I launched a blind salvo in his direction. One of the fish hit his stern when he did a hard turn and he was still in the dive process, was a pure luck. Of course, is a waste of ammo to engage into a dogfight, but I had only 3 torps left and I was heading back to base for repairs anyway.

I'm not sure about the AI subs and how are they scripted, enemy or not. I posted a short report in the screenshots section where I covered an encounter with "Thomsen" and I followed him for hours just to see what he do. When we spotted a heavy task force, he started to dive and avoided the task force without any intention to attack it. It is possible he did this because:
1. he has no more amo (he was heading to Trodheim)
2. he knew that the enemy ship are sailing with 33 knots, so is no point for an atack (cheater).

After the task force passed, but was still in the line of sight, he surfaced and continued his journey.. but for a short time. The battleship is damn precise, even from great distance. Bottom line, engaging another enemy sub is a waste of time, he will always evade and never fight back or attack.


Drifter, I don't know wtf r u talking about, but if ur problem with SH5 is that are missing nets, mines, ships &sh1t, then yeah.. you should stick to sh3 and stop hanging around. These are for me minor things, fine tunning, not major bugs. The killer issue was the retarded AI who refused to fight back!!

Before the patch, all the gameplay was based on sink ship/refit. That's it, nothing else. Sailing in the middle of the convoy at max speed and unloading all my ammo had no reaction on the escorts. Not even 1 was curious about wtf is happening and why all those merchants in the middle act weird and burn. So I had to stop playing, was a waste of time. Also got my butt red when I opened a topic about a month ago and I was complaining that the game is BORING and unplayable.

Also, before the patch I was playing on 100% realism, had plenty of time to set up my target sailing in the middle of a convoy, nobody bothered me. Now I had to go with 88% just because attacking inside a convoy is my favorite style and is not much time to gather all the data without map contacts on. Now even merchants try to ram you if u get spotted.

So the game is finally playable and I f'ing fail to understand how the fk I become a f'ing employee when I report these things here?!? :mad: Yeah, the game is more an arcade than a real sim, but get TDW hardcore UI with all dials &stuff and try it at 100% realism, Report back if ur still alive after the first enemy convoy encounter.:dead: Or better not, stick with the ancient sh3 and play with the nets and mines.

[L.T]

"Magnum
I'm not sure about the AI subs and how are they scripted, enemy or not. I posted a short report in the screenshots section where I covered an encounter with "Thomsen" and I followed him for hours just to see what he do. When we spotted a heavy task force, he started to dive and avoided the task force without any intention to attack it. It is possible he did this because:
1. he has no more amo (he was heading to Trodheim)
2. he knew that the enemy ship are sailing with 33 knots, so is no point for an atack (cheater).

After the task force passed, but was still in the line of sight, he surfaced and continued his journey.. but for a short time. The battleship is damn precise, even from great distance. Bottom line, engaging another enemy sub is a waste of time, he will always evade and never fight back or attack."

Im not sure about all this.

I was cruising along singing merry songs looking at sea birds you know just relaxing. Around 10m infront of me passed a white trail.....I thoght what the heck was that, looked to my left and saw another one that passed me even closer.....I looked around in panic to se if there was a DD or something...But couldnt se anything....Down to periscope depth...diving down i noticed a shadow through the attack periscope and rthere he was a Brit T type sub at periscope depth.....I used my attack periscope just under the surface to follow him around.....after my initial miss he dove down to around 50 m and a 2½ hour mouse and cat chase startet...Suddently he whent to perscope depth and stopped.

I manouvered around to get a side shot, but the second my torp got within maby around 100m(damn hard to tell by attack scope underwater) he moved full speed ahead. I maneged to get behind him and fired a torp right up hes kebab...he surfaced when hit and it actualy took me when more torp to sink him....when he got hit with the second one he sank like a rock....

In all the hours i have logged in SH5 this was and is stil the most exiting thing i have tryed out.......a real Sub fight fought under water where both realy tryed to outmanouver the other....

Using the scope might be a go or no go, i did cause sonar dude lost contact all the time and since the scope worked well i used it (play externals of)

If i ever get a report about enemy subs i will be more carefull than if i was in scapaflow on surface at broad daylight...

AI subs if they spot you first (i think) will engage you with torpedoes and fight with you....

L.T

[Zedi]

Nice one L.T, really nice. Next time I will encounter a brit sub, I will let him spot me and I will not dive. I'm really curious if she will attack or just try to evade. Having a cat/mouse dogfight with another aggressive sub is awesome! And hit ur target when she is 50m deep.. that's another story :DL

[Placoderm]

...Bottom line, engaging another enemy sub is a waste of time, he will always evade and never fight back or attack.

...These are for me minor things, fine tunning, not major bugs. The killer issue was the retarded AI who refused to fight back!!

:hmmm: Hmmmm....no contradiction there...:hmmm:

:D


Drifter, I don't know wtf r u talking about, but if ur problem with SH5 is that are missing nets, mines, ships &sh1t, then yeah.. you should stick to sh3 and stop hanging around.

:o Now that is not very nice...

...remember what a certain someone said earlier in this thread about allowing everyone's opinion, and about those nasty people who jump on others just because theirs is different?


These are for me minor things, fine tunning, not major bugs.

What is "minor" to one person could very well be a "deal breaker" to another. Whether or not AI has been improved (I have seen little, if any difference myself) is only part of the equation. Nets and mines were important tactical and strategic considerations to submariners...and ships (read:targets) were kind of important as well, and are legitimate concerns that are at least as valid as the AI itself when considering the current state of the game (read:simulation).



Before the patch, all the gameplay was based on sink ship/refit. That's it, nothing else... ...I opened a topic about a month ago and I was complaining that the game is BORING and unplayable.

...And after you have mastered the new AI and realize that you just sank the same ship for the 32nd time, how long will it take you before you again complain "that the game is BORING and unplayable"? At that point will you consider the nets, mines, ships & whatnot a bit more important? I would bet so.



:mad: Yeah, the game is more an arcade than a real sim,...

THAT is the part that was absent from your original comment to which Firewall replied. Now the universe is again complete!!


LOL!
:yeah:

[Placoderm]

"Magnum
I'm not sure about the AI subs and how are they scripted, enemy or not. I posted a short report in the screenshots section where I covered an encounter with "Thomsen" and I followed him for hours just to see what he do. When we spotted a heavy task force, he started to dive and avoided the task force without any intention to attack it. It is possible he did this because:
1. he has no more amo (he was heading to Trodheim)
2. he knew that the enemy ship are sailing with 33 knots, so is no point for an atack (cheater).

After the task force passed, but was still in the line of sight, he surfaced and continued his journey.. but for a short time. The battleship is damn precise, even from great distance. Bottom line, engaging another enemy sub is a waste of time, he will always evade and never fight back or attack."

Im not sure about all this.

I was cruising along singing merry songs looking at sea birds you know just relaxing. Around 10m infront of me passed a white trail.....I thoght what the heck was that, looked to my left and saw another one that passed me even closer.....I looked around in panic to se if there was a DD or something...But couldnt se anything....Down to periscope depth...diving down i noticed a shadow through the attack periscope and rthere he was a Brit T type sub at periscope depth.....I used my attack periscope just under the surface to follow him around.....after my initial miss he dove down to around 50 m and a 2½ hour mouse and cat chase startet...Suddently he whent to perscope depth and stopped.

I manouvered around to get a side shot, but the second my torp got within maby around 100m(damn hard to tell by attack scope underwater) he moved full speed ahead. I maneged to get behind him and fired a torp right up hes kebab...he surfaced when hit and it actualy took me when more torp to sink him....when he got hit with the second one he sank like a rock....

In all the hours i have logged in SH5 this was and is stil the most exiting thing i have tryed out.......a real Sub fight fought under water where both realy tryed to outmanouver the other....

Using the scope might be a go or no go, i did cause sonar dude lost contact all the time and since the scope worked well i used it (play externals of)

If i ever get a report about enemy subs i will be more carefull than if i was in scapaflow on surface at broad daylight...

AI subs if they spot you first (i think) will engage you with torpedoes and fight with you....

L.T

Now THAT DOES sound awesome!! I have never seen anything like that, but just hearing about it was cool. (maybe there IS hope...)

Thank you for sharing!

:salute:

[Drifter]

Now THAT DOES sound awesome!! I have never seen anything like that, but just hearing about it was cool. (maybe there IS hope...)

Thank you for sharing!

:salute:

I can believe what L.T. said. I have extensively looked at the AI scripts, which are quite comprehensive. Whether they work correctly or not with the rest of the code is another story. Anyways, the sub AI script does cover just about everything, including sub-to-sub combat. :yep:

[TBear]

I can believe what L.T. said. I have extensively looked at the AI scripts, which are quite comprehensive. Whether they work correctly or not is another story. Anyways, the sub AI script does cover just about everything, including sub-to-sub combat. :yep:

Im just happy that someone can confirm this so i dont look like a wannaby subber who make things up...:har:...That was my biggest concern posting that...would anyone belive......:timeout:

[TBear]

BTW im also L.T my craptop is L.T and TBear is the stationary.....forgot my log in with TBear and made L.T....if this is a prob lemme know...

even i am confused :rotfl2:

[Zedi]

omg Placoderm, did I said that SH5 is perfect? Did I rate it at 10/10?! All I'm saying is that finally SH5 become playable! Right before patch was a total disaster, an epic fail, u name it.

Now again, lets say it together in slow motion: p l a y a b l e.
Not perfect, not bug free, but playable. If this is still not clear, I can translate it in other 8 or 10 languages or even draw it down.

I still have my hate on Ubi because they sold me a beta release for the price of a finished game :mad: Also for not being able to communicate with us, they are just focusing on that f'ing AC2 and they don't care about what we have to say here. I'm not like "tschonk" (sorry, can't remember the right spelling) guy who has nothing to say than "thank you ubi, what a great game" then post a huge screen shot about nothing.

Also, let's turn back a bit to that ancient SH3 and compare it with SH5. How much time passed until SH3 become a really good sim? From my understanding, GWX was launched about 1 year later after the SH3 release, right? I'm asking because I had quit playing sh3 after 6-8 months after release. Sadly, this is the trend in SH series.. launch a bugged game, then patch it and let the moders fix it and make it shine as the community want. SH5 has a bigger potential to become the best in the series and this is what the moders say. I only feel it.

Anyway, I still hope and pray that there will be no other further SH under Ubi logo. This company is a joke, bunch of amateurs and I really hope that some other company will take over this job and bring us a polished and finished game, that will not hit the market before is not properly tested and will be build on the community wish list and expectation.

[Drifter]

I can now give a lot of credit to Kylania and Magnum because they have been deservedly both critical and praiseworthy in their recent posts about SH5. Fair and balanced. :up:

But how do I still feel about Ubisoft and their shady business practices? :down:

[JU_88]

Its the prettiest SH game yet - thats for sure.
Its not great but its not bad either, give it a year or so and it will somthing special Im sure.
As for all those who love/hate it - They are neither right or wrong. :DL
its just down to their own personal expectations.

So weather or not you will like it, depends on what you are expecting.

Sounds like i need to retest the AI subs post 1.2 :)

[Zedi]

One more thing guys. Just take a look in the moding forum, is incredible how active is and how much passion and effort is put in the mods there. Is really impressive. We waste time here with endless "I hate/love SH5" crap, but in the meantime there is some serious work going on there to make SH5 a great game/sim. And very soon I think we will see some uber mods shaping out.

I have to admit that TDW is incredible with his energy, he is working like a mad to bring the community something that one day soon may shape into a super mod. I don't use his mod now just because it looks pretty ugly and messy, so I better wait until he will finish the coding part and find time to touch up the visual part. But, for those who wanna feel the sim part of the SH5, his mods is a must have. Really impressive work.. this guy should be on Ubi paylist for his incredible work and effort. Wish I could do some scripting too and jump into moding to give a hand those guys..

If the game suck or not, is and maybe will an endless debate. But the community is just brilliant and that's a true story.

[kylania]

it looks pretty ugly and messy

:o:06:

http://img218.imageshack.us/img218/168/almostthesame.jpg

[Placoderm]

omg Placoderm, did I said that SH5 is perfect?

No, of course not, Magnum. I never said that you did. Even if you had, you are still entitled to your opinion, as are all of us.

You seem very defensive. Take a deep breath and chill buddy. We are all on the same side here. I cannot speak for Firewall, but only for myself when I say that I am sorry if you felt targeted. Remember that opinions are like rectums...everyone has one, and they all tend to stink at one time or another. :O:

Now again, lets say it together in slow motion: p l a y a b l e.

Playablle. P L A Y A B L E. (whew,...see? that was not so bad!)


...If this is still not clear, I can translate it in other 8 or 10 languages...

Not necessary, mate. Got it handled...

Prayable = Chinese
plyiboo = Australian
Si Se Pueda = Mexican
Plyabowl = British
Prieaboo = Japanese
Allah Ackbar! = Middle Eastern
Playabeer, eh? = Canadian
click click nikki unga = Swahili
We Surrender! = French
Vee Das Play Now = German
Plaay-a-Bull doood! = Californian


:yeah:

Anyway, I still hope and pray that there will be no other further SH under Ubi logo. This company is a joke, bunch of amateurs and I really hope that some other company will take over this job and bring us a polished and finished game, that will not hit the market before is not properly tested and will be build on the community wish list and expectation.

Well said, and I agree. Someday, somebody will pick up the ball. Until then, SH5 is not horrible, does not suxxorz, and does show great promise. (and you can tell Mr. Guillimont that I said so, too!) LOL!...J/K



:salute:

[IanC]

Only with SH5 is the word 'playable' some kind of compliment. :roll:

[Zedi]

:o:06:



First of all I wanna apologies for the offtopic and the huge screenshot but I will post it here before I will jump to TDW thread. Here is "a work in progress" about how the SH5 stock UI should look like if they were added the dials.. or better to say, how I imagine TDW UI.

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4011/4619647814_4f0fdb6dd2_o.jpg

Notice, this is not a UI based on my personal taste but rather is an extended stock UI using strictly the SH5 CI. I tried to imagine how the devs would implement the dials and all that goodies we find now in TDW work.

Is a work in progress because even if is not scripting, is a lot of work to figure out the right positions of the interface elements, for example I still have to work on the recon manual. I already have the solution, but it require a lot of time and that's not what I have right now.

[Placoderm]

^^ :yeah:

That is acutally pretty freakin awesome looking, Magnum! You put a lot of work into that! Good Job :yeah: !



:salute:

[Nordmann]

That's really something else Magnum! So, when are you starting work on it? ;)

[L.T]

made my post new topic...sorry