So does this mean the game wont be finished??

[Salvadoreno]

With all the negative results streaming from reviews and consumers im guessing UBI wont finish the rest of the game? I have not purchased yet (waiting for the price to go down...dramatically) but i know that the game supposedly finishes in May 1943.. or 42? Im not sure.. But since Sh5 is a complete bust you think UBI will release 1943-1945?

Now i dont want this to turn into another slamfest on the game, i already know how dissapointed i would be if i bought Sh5 at 59.99... So logically speaking is UBI going to finish it up/add more boats/ just add to the game period? I kno mods could properly crack the code and continue on from 1943, but i would like something a lil official.. or maybe not if its coming from UBI :nope:

[Sailor Steve]

Why should it be? SH3 and SH4 aren't finished, unless you mean in a different sense.

It will probably never be perfect, but given the supposed state of the scripting, it may really be more moddable than anything else. I don't know, but I still have high hopes, for more patches and good modding.

We'll see.




Oh, and right now Amazon.com has it for $27.99.

[Seefer]

I suspect a good indication of how well the developers can get this game into reasonable shape can be gleaned from how good Silent Hunter 4 was after it's 4 patches up to version 1.4 (five patches if you include the expansion pack).

What's the concensus opinion on the quality of SH4 after those patches? I binned the game around the second patch because it was too frustrating :)

Did the developers do a good job with SH4 patch support? How long did it take them to get to patch 1.4? Was the end result worthy of the contents of your wallet? I'm also talking about stock content, not how much modders twisted the thing into shape.

I got SH5 for £19.99 three days ago. At that price I thought I'd give the series one last try after the dismal experience with SH4. That's what happens when you cut corners with game development and release overly buggy products. Not as many people rush out to buy the latest versions on release day or buy expansion packs, so sales are very slow and depleted. And if you continue to push out unreasonably buggy products they eventually avoid your franchise altogether, utlimately killing it off and blaming it on the the fact sales performance was continuously poor, as though it's the customers fault and not theirs.

I really haven't enjoyed a decent subsim since the days of Sonalysts' Sub Command :(

[Salvadoreno]

well im talking about finishing the rest of the game... Isnt there other campaign "clickable missions" that are blacked out until a patch/addon is released? Can somebody post a pic of the campaign map or starting new campaign screen so i can see it again..

To be honest i had fun with sh4 after first and second patch, but pacific wasnt really my style... Once that UBM came out and then the amazing Operation Monsoon mod came out it was definately worth it. Unfortunately my cd scratched so i gotta run out and buy a new one for about 9 bucks lol. It can hold me out for a year or two before Sh5 is in a good state.

[jwilliams]

SH5 1.2 with TheDarkWraths_UI mod is very playable now. Better that SH3 and 4 vanilla. Sure there are a few bugs.... just annoying bugs, nothing that breaks the game. Unlike before patch 1.2.

And with hopefully more patches and alot more mods, this game could be the best SH game ever made.

Campaign beyond 1943..... Its possible that UBI may not release this (if sales are bad) BUT i beleive that modders would be able to mod that in... So it shouldnt be a problem.

[Factor]

To be honest i had fun with sh4 after first and second patch, but pacific wasnt really my style... Once that UBM came out and then the amazing Operation Monsoon mod came out it was definately worth it. Unfortunately my cd scratched so i gotta run out and buy a new one for about 9 bucks lol. It can hold me out for a year or two before Sh5 is in a good state.


You do not need the disk to play SH4. Think that was patched in 1.2

[Salvadoreno]

ya unfortunately for me my old sh4 disk was scratched, bought it on steam, steam corrupts mods, and now i gotta buy it again on disk.. lol..:yeah:

[Sailor Steve]

IWhat's the concensus opinion on the quality of SH4 after those patches? I binned the game around the second patch because it was too frustrating :)
Of course I was sort of joking in my previous post. With the patches there are still things to complain about in SH3 and SH4, but overall both are very enjoyable.

I suspect it will be the same with SH5.

[Takao]

I bought SHIV right after it came out. Played it for a little bit, but shelved it until the Convoy bug was patched. You hit any ship with one torpedo and the whole convoy dropped speed to 1 knot, to me that was game breaking. IIRC, that was not fixed until 1.3 or 1.4. But on the whole, SHIV, after 1.4, I thought to be a good game. I also, recall having to beg, ie. petition, for the 1.4 patch too, that soured me on purchasing anymore Ubisoft games.

SHIII and SHVI were both decent games after the final patch. Now the question remains will SHV make it to 1.4.........

[Seefer]

You do not need the disk to play SH4. Think that was patched in 1.2

Did the patch do that? I assumed the Ubisoft DRM was basically the reason why you don't need to have the DVD inserted? My other two games with this DRM, Splinter Cell: Conviction and Asassin's Creed 2 also didn't need the DVD from day one.

[SabreHawk]

Patch had nothing to do with having the disk in the drive to play, you have never had to have it in to play.

[Sailor Steve]

SH3's DRM was Starforce. It caused trouble with some folks' computers, needed the disc in the drive, and was eventually removed. Cheap versions you buy today don't have it, nor do they need the disc in the drive.

SH4 came with SecureRom. Same story, and after sales died down it was removed and the disc no longer required.

SH5 doesn't require the disc, but does require a permanent internet connection, which some consider to be more insidious than the previous two. We're hoping it will eventually be removed as well.

[orangehat44]

I have the games on steam and dont have any problems running mods.

[Salvadoreno]

I have the games on steam and dont have any problems running mods.


Maybe its my comp?? because when i run the mods i have to push "do not auto update this game" via the steam properties menu of the game. However it always ends up going back to "Always Update" when i start it up... So i eventually get CTDs and everything else even when i reinstall and retry mods..

[kylania]

I think Steam used to overwrite/delete files that it didn't think were supposed to be there, hence the "mods don't work with steam" belief. Now though you can turn off "auto-update" with Steam games, so that shouldn't happen anymore. Then again, it's Steam. :)

[Sailor Steve]

ya unfortunately for me my old sh4 disk was scratched, bought it on steam, steam corrupts mods, and now i gotta buy it again on disk.. lol..:yeah:
Sorry I missed this earlier. Just buy SH4 Gold. It's already patched to 1.5, no disc required, no DRM.

[Salvadoreno]

Sorry I missed this earlier. Just buy SH4 Gold. It's already patched to 1.5, no disc required, no DRM.

Went to frys today, dont carry SH4 anymore :wah:. Looked at Sh5... saw the 59.99 price... Remembered the reviews and complaints and SHELVED it! HAH! I do have will power! lol... Guess ill have to keep looking for SH4 at bestbuy or gamestop or somewhere...

I know about the "auto update" problem with steam.. but for WHATEVER reason.. After i set auto update off, as soon as i run the game and push alt tab, it goes back to "always update".... Dont get it.. I turn it off again but by then i think damage is done... Everthing works fine for a while then fails eventually...

[Sailor Steve]

http://www.amazon.com/Silent-Hunter-Wolves-Pacific-Gold-Pc/dp/B001BBS8B0/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=videogames&qid=1274066194&sr=1-1

8 new from $27.99, 3 used from $20.

Of course they also have SH5 for $24.98, but I won't buy it until the DRM is gone.

Either way, if you do buy from Amazon be sure to use the Subsim store link http://www.subsim.com/store.html. That way Neal gets a piece o' da action!:sunny:

[oscar19681]

Wake up! I dont understand that people refuse to buy the game untill the DRM is gone. Its never gonna be "gone"

[Sailor Steve]

Wake up! I dont understand that people refuse to buy the game untill the DRM is gone. Its never gonna be "gone"
That's extreme. Just because it's there doesn't make it right. And it negatively affects anyone without the proper connection. If everyone had stood up it might be gone now. And if it is never removed, well, I'll continue to stand against bullying no matter what it costs. I've been bullied enough in my life, thank you.

[Reece]

I back you 100% on that Steve!:up:

[gimpy117]

It will probably never be perfect, but given the supposed state of the scripting, it may really be more moddable than anything else.


well yes the script is close to SH3 and 4...so it can be modded like the others.
Unfortunately...without an SDK we know that a few things will never be fixed.

[Sailor Steve]

Unfortunately...without an SDK we know that a few things will never be fixed.
That's as may be, but it's true of SH3 and SH4 as well, and they are getting high praise from the people who are put off by SH5. So SH5 stands a good chance to end up earning the same praise, and even those who don't like it so far say it's the best platform to work with of the three.

[jwilliams]

Wake up! I dont understand that people refuse to buy the game untill the DRM is gone. Its never gonna be "gone"

I'd say there is a high chance the DRM will be gone.... In time.

This type of DRM (OSP) takes up space on thier servers. So when SH5 sales slow to a crawl, then it would make sense for Ubi to patch out the OSP from SH5 to allow space for the newer games.

I'd doubt Ubi would want to pay for servers for a game thats 5 years old and isnt selling (making money to pay for the servers).

It's not a question of IF, but WHEN will the OSP (DRM) be removed from SH5.

[McBeck]

I think Steam used to overwrite/delete files that it didn't think were supposed to be there, hence the "mods don't work with steam" belief. Now though you can turn off "auto-update" with Steam games, so that shouldn't happen anymore. Then again, it's Steam. :)
I have modded a native Steam game - Day of Defeat:Source. That was possible, even with autoupdate running

[magic452]

One thing about removing DRM/OSP form SH5, doing so would it also give the :arrgh!: a good starting point for removing it from all other UBsoft's games.
I assume that they are at least similar if not the same. A patch out would be almost the same for all games. If this is so they can't remove DRM/OSP With a patch.

Magic

[Sardaukar67]

I'd say there is a high chance the DRM will be gone.... In time.

This type of DRM (OSP) takes up space on thier servers. So when SH5 sales slow to a crawl, then it would make sense for Ubi to patch out the OSP from SH5 to allow space for the newer games.

I'd doubt Ubi would want to pay for servers for a game thats 5 years old and isnt selling (making money to pay for the servers).

It's not a question of IF, but WHEN will the OSP (DRM) be removed from SH5.

This is why I am waiting. I probably get SH5 when they remove DRM in patch 1.4-1.5 (or in expansion pack a la UBM for SH4). And I'll be able to get it 9.99 or 19.99 with expansion pack etc.

I am old-fashioned, still having warm feelings towards Aces of Deep DOS-version and those hours spent to fiddle with start-up files to make game work. :know: CAOD still rocks in my memory...did I say WOLFPACKS! :yeah:

So, I am not in hurry to see latest eye-candy. For me, graphics are least important feature, game-play and realism is. I'll get it like I got SH3 with patches and NYGM, SH4 with RFB & RSRD.

I just do not buy stuff to be free alpha-tester (this game apparently was not even in beta-stage when released...IMHO) to see latest "cool images". Nor am I too keen about "Sims in Sub". Why on earth would I get too excited about walking around sub, since it's my office and I am supposed to command it... Thankfully it seems that modders (as usual) are doing great job.

So, maybe in year or two, I'll join the merry U-Booters of SH5. Unfortunate for UBI, but I just do not support crap software in addition to things that are offending my rights and privacy.

[BadSeed]

Day of Defeat:Source.

CLASSIC. Now that was a fun game.

...things that are offending my rights and privacy.

These are the fundamental issues that make this whole episode such a catastrophy. It's not just about a game for me either.

[paul_kingtiger]

I love the SH and Total War series SH5 and Napoleon Total War were the first two games I didn't buy on release day. Release now / patch later is pretty much standard in software these days, but you've got to draw the line somewhere.

Hopefully games publishers will realise that with today's social networking tools word of an unfinished game gets around very quickly. Maybe they will try to get it closer to right, first time.

[raymond6751]

SH5 is no worse than SH3 or 4 were at their beginnings. Considering the wonders accomplished by our modders on those and on SH5 already, I have good vibes.

Remember, all the complaining has been about SH5 not being what we expected. To a new gamer, not familiar with past versions, this might not seem so terrible.

I agree that it should extend past 1943, but it is reflecting history and not a 'what if' concept. Doenitz went defensive in 1943 after realizing he could not replace boats as quickly as they were being lost. That is why the game runs to the historic end of the 'offensive'.

[SabreHawk]

I personally have never had a problem with having to have the disk in the drive to run any game. And I'd just as soon go back to it over all this anti-piracy stuff that has come about.

The disk only wieghs a tiny few grams, so I think my hand and arm can handle that, and all my disks both game and music, and movies are all in the same shape they were when purchased.
I treat them as they should be, no throwing, dropping, keep it in it's case when not used, and handle it by it's edges.

I've never quite understood the problem a lot of folks have with putting a disk in a drive. As if it was just too much trouble or something.

[kylania]

The problems I've always had with disc in drive are:

1) the horrible noise and delay of the drive spinning up every time to run a game that was entirely on my hard drive.
2) the artificial wear and tear on my hardware from having to spin up constantly for a game that was entirely on my hard drive.
3) the fact that at the time seemingly EVERY game required the disc in the drive meaning I was constantly swapping, or forgetting to swap and having to wait for it to realize this, each time I wanted to play a game that was entirely on my hard drive.
4) rootkits and other stupid crap from publishers to make sure they could screw you at any point for a game that was entirely on my hard drive.

[IanC]

The problems I've always had with disc in drive are:

1) the horrible noise and delay of the drive spinning up every time to run a game that was entirely on my hard drive.
2) the artificial wear and tear on my hardware from having to spin up constantly for a game that was entirely on my hard drive.
3) the fact that at the time seemingly EVERY game required the disc in the drive meaning I was constantly swapping, or forgetting to swap and having to wait for it to realize this, each time I wanted to play a game that was entirely on my hard drive.
4) rootkits and other stupid crap from publishers to make sure they could screw you at any point for a game that was entirely on my hard drive.

If I remember correctly, SH3 only read the disk once. Lets face it, a dvd in the drive is no big deal.

[kylania]

If I remember correctly, SH3 only read the disk once. Lets face it, a dvd in the drive is no big deal.

Having to be online is an even lesser deal. *shrug*

[IanC]

Having to be online is an even lesser deal. *shrug*

I seriously beg to differ (so do the other thousands of people who can't play because of their connection). :haha:

[Sailor Steve]

Having to be online is an even lesser deal. *shrug*
Unless you can't get online. Then it's a huge deal.:sunny: