SH5 Civil War

[Chicolatino]

Is it only my impression or is this forum on the verge of a "civil war" with more than two factions after the release of SH5? Unless that there's no slaves to be freed here ... Or maybe there are, but they don't know they're slaves and don't know who their masters are as well.

[SteamWake]

Yes its only your opinion.

There have been disagreements and diferences of opinion as long as there has been a forum.

Nice try though. ;)

[SabreHawk]

Yes its only your opinion.

There have been disagreements and diferences of opinion as long as there has been a forum.

Nice try though. ;)

Arrr, this be true.

But differnces in opinion are good, it means we are all thinking.
For any two people that are always in agreement then only one is doing the thinking.

[orangehat44]

A thread like this wont help anything either. The entire front page of SH5 forum is full of negative threads, that begs everyone to chime in. Yes we are all upset to some degree or another about the state of the game and how ubi has treated us as a customer and community. Tempers flare. But if everyone makes a thread to gripe about each individual thing its only going to fuel the fire. If we keep our gripes regulated to a master thread like we did with the patch when the whole 1.2 patch debauchery started the forum can return to a state where there is actual helpful threads on the front page especially for people who are new and looking for help.

I discovered this forum when SH5 was first released, which was also when I discovered the Silent hunter series in general, I use to play sims but took a long hiatus, my last sim being Janes' USAF GOld I believe. If I stumbled across this forum as a new player in this state, I probably would have imediatly returned the game and never dove into the SH series.

Yes the point of a forum is open discussion but the overall mission of this forum is to promote Sub simulations, aid new players, discuss tactics and what not. We're the community, we shouldnt be at each others throats.

I am by no means saying Im happy with the state of the game. I havent loaded it since march 10th I think. And Ive been happy play Sh3 with GWX and SH3 commander, and I also have 2 installs of sh4 to play both OM and TMO (RFB was too much of a learning curve for me, need to learn the nuances of the boats before I can give that one another go). We have been wronged pretty badly by UBI. with their lack of communication with their english audience, and blatent lack of effort to address any problems.

But what we dont need is infighting, or any provocation of infighting, in the "To UBI" thread we already have some modders arguing, hopefully they have resloved that and can come to terms I love the work of all the modding parties. If they could come together and work towards a common goal rather than bicker this game can probably be saved.

Just my thoughts and sorry for longwinded ness.

[Bilge_Rat]

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9489/southridesagain.jpg




I'm on her side. :salute:

[Cowboy_Joe]

A thread like this wont help anything either. The entire front page of SH5 forum is full of negative threads, that begs everyone to chime in. Yes we are all upset to some degree or another about the state of the game and how ubi has treated us as a customer and community. Tempers flare. But if everyone makes a thread to gripe about each individual thing its only going to fuel the fire. If we keep our gripes regulated to a master thread like we did with the patch when the whole 1.2 patch debauchery started the forum can return to a state where there is actual helpful threads on the front page especially for people who are new and looking for help.

I discovered this forum when SH5 was first released, which was also when I discovered the Silent hunter series in general, I use to play sims but took a long hiatus, my last sim being Janes' USAF GOld I believe. If I stumbled across this forum as a new player in this state, I probably would have imediatly returned the game and never dove into the SH series.

Yes the point of a forum is open discussion but the overall mission of this forum is to promote Sub simulations, aid new players, discuss tactics and what not. We're the community, we shouldnt be at each others throats.

I am by no means saying Im happy with the state of the game. I havent loaded it since march 10th I think. And Ive been happy play Sh3 with GWX and SH3 commander, and I also have 2 installs of sh4 to play both OM and TMO (RFB was too much of a learning curve for me, need to learn the nuances of the boats before I can give that one another go). We have been wronged pretty badly by UBI. with their lack of communication with their english audience, and blatent lack of effort to address any problems.

But what we dont need is infighting, or any provocation of infighting, in the "To UBI" thread we already have some modders arguing, hopefully they have resloved that and can come to terms I love the work of all the modding parties. If they could come together and work towards a common goal rather than bicker this game can probably be saved.

Just my thoughts and sorry for longwinded ness.

+1 ! I totally agree with you! We don't need this kind of attitude here, especially thinking that this game is AWSOME!!! The greatest subsim ever with astonish graphics and AI as well. So, **** off Chicolatino, go away, we don't need you, we are very happy with the game, so there's no civil war.

[ReallyDedPoet]

There have been disagreements and differences of opinion as long as there has been a forum.



:sign_yeah:The community is just to big and diverse for there not to be.

The mood around here is very similar to when SH4 was released and I am sure SH3, and people got over themselves eventually.

[Sailor Steve]

+1 ! I totally agree with you! We don't need this kind of attitude here, especially thinking that this game is AWSOME!!! The greatest subsim ever with astonish graphics and AI as well. So, **** off Chicolatino, go away, we don't need you, we are very happy with the game, so there's no civil war.
It seems to me you missed the whole point, which is that both sides are right and entitled to their opinion. Your last line was just as bad as his.



For any two people that are always in agreement then only one is doing the thinking.
Love that line!

[Cowboy_Joe]

It seems to me you missed the whole point, which is that both sides are right and entitled to their opinion. Your last line was just as bad as his.
Then maybe you should play Aces Of The Deep Or Silent Service, oldboy! And give the ones that love SH5 a break. I've never seen a better made subsim before, I really can't understand those damn whiners lurking around here.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9489/southridesagain.jpg
:salute:


That would make a good bit of nose art on a bomber.:up:

Cowboy_Joe, you are not gonna last long here attackin' Sailor Steve like that. He's one of the nicer guys here at Subsim. He's also been here longer than most of us... Just my suggestion since you are new here, but you might think a bit more before posting. Keep in mind, it isn't what you say... but how you say it. :shucks:

[IanC]

Then maybe you should play Aces Of The Deep Or Silent Service, oldboy! And give the ones that love SH5 a break. I've never seen a better made subsim before, I really can't understand those damn whiners lurking around here.

Very immature post.

[McBeck]

Then maybe you should play Aces Of The Deep Or Silent Service, oldboy! And give the ones that love SH5 a break. I've never seen a better made subsim before, I really can't understand those damn whiners lurking around here.
Please refrain from that language and namecalling

[robbo180265]

Then maybe you should play Aces Of The Deep Or Silent Service, oldboy! And give the ones that love SH5 a break. I've never seen a better made subsim before, I really can't understand those damn whiners lurking around here.

:down:

[Iron Budokan]

Yes, people are passionate. No, it hasn't developed into anything like a Civil War. I'm sure if we all got together we'd have a beer and happily chillax in each others' company, despite the blistering arguments we have about SH5. :03:

[robbo180265]

Yes, people are passionate. No, it hasn't developed into anything like a Civil War. I'm sure if we all got together we'd have a beer and happily chillax in each others' company, despite the blistering arguments we have about SH5. :03:

I agree with you - sometimes tempers flare , but it's more like old friends arguing than any kind of war.:sunny:

[mookiemookie]

Then maybe you should play Aces Of The Deep Or Silent Service, oldboy! And give the ones that love SH5 a break. I've never seen a better made subsim before, I really can't understand those damn whiners lurking around here.

I'm surprised you all can't spot a gimmick account when you see one.

[Sailor Steve]

Then maybe you should play Aces Of The Deep Or Silent Service, oldboy! And give the ones that love SH5 a break. I've never seen a better made subsim before, I really can't understand those damn whiners lurking around here.
Again you miss the point, which isn't about what games are good or bad. The point is that Chicolatino's very first post was about what he saw as a war brewing, and others disagreed. Your very first post was to attack him and tell him to "**** off!" and then tell him he wasn't wanted here.

He has a right to express his opinion, as do you. The difference is he didn't attack somebody for expressing an opinion, and neither did I. You did, and that's what's wrong with pretty much every post you've made so far.

I won't tell you to leave, because that would be just as wrong, and also because I don't want you to leave. But you need to learn about propriety and proper discussion and debate.

And WELCOME ABOARD, both of you!:sunny:

[orangehat44]

+1 ! I totally agree with you! We don't need this kind of attitude here, especially thinking that this game is AWSOME!!! The greatest subsim ever with astonish graphics and AI as well. So, **** off Chicolatino, go away, we don't need you, we are very happy with the game, so there's no civil war.

You missed my point abit there, I said I was very not happy with the game thats why its been shelved. I was merely trying to state we dont have and dont need a civil war. And the forum doenst need to be full of negative or bickering threads. If a new person was looking for help they wouldnt find it on the front page of the forum, minus the stickies, and their posts would be quickly pushed to the bottom of the pile of threads of people arguing basically the same thing. Everyone dissapointed with SH5 is basically disapointed about the same things. no need for 15 threads. It should be regulated to a master thread like the 1.2 patch thread. Im happy you agreed with me but did ya read my whole post. I wasnt mearly trying to bash chicolatino for suggesting the civil war and by no means was trying to get rid of him

[orangehat44]

Aye Aye Steve! We should be able to discuss as a bunch of mature adults. This isnt a FPS multiplayer forum where everyone is a "newb" for their suggestions. I use to play navyfield and though their forums could be helpful they were often very negative. Especially if some one asked a question that had already been answered

any new play asking a question was responded to with :

READ THE STICKIES! USE THE SEARCH FUNCTION! Most new players were just hopin for a quick answer and get yelled at and told to dig thru tons of posts to find their answer rather than play the game and learn. I dont want that here and this forum has been a very helpful and positive place in my 3 months here now.

[robbo180265]

You missed my point abit there, I said I was very not happy with the game thats why its been shelved. I was merely trying to state we dont have and dont need a civil war. And the forum doenst need to be full of negative or bickering threads. If a new person was looking for help they wouldnt find it on the front page of the forum, minus the stickies, and their posts would be quickly pushed to the bottom of the pile of threads of people arguing basically the same thing. Everyone dissapointed with SH5 is basically disapointed about the same things. no need for 15 threads. It should be regulated to a master thread like the 1.2 patch thread. Im happy you agreed with me but did ya read my whole post. I wasnt mearly trying to bash chicolatino for suggesting the civil war and by no means was trying to get rid of him

I dont think he missed your point -I just think Mookiemookie is right.:03:

[Moeceefus]

this thread is yet another of many primed for arguement

[Kpt. Lehmann]

I'm surprised you all can't spot a gimmick account when you see one.

I'm sure that more than one of us thought about that... but what can we really do about it other than to report it?

I'm sure that Cowboy_Joe's account wont last long here regardless. He's just another troll and so far ALL of his posts reflect that.

I'd pay good money to find out who it belongs to though. I've got one or two thoughts on that. :|\\

[Nisgeis]

Oh dear, I thought this was a thread about a mod idea. I'm disappointed now.

[robbo180265]

this thread is yet another of many primed for arguement


I disagree (see what I did there?)

[Moeceefus]

I disagree (see what I did there?)


lol, very good sir :haha:

[Chicolatino]

He has a right to express his opinion, as do you. The difference is he didn't attack somebody for expressing an opinion, and neither did I. You did, and that's what's wrong with pretty much every post you've made so far.


And WELCOME ABOARD,!:sunny:
That's OK, Steve, I am not mad about that, we all have the right to have an opinion, but it matters the way we are saying what we have in mind as well. Thank you for your welcome!

[scrapser]

This thread reminds me of the Monty Python skit where the guy goes to a shop that sells arguments.

[Kpt. Lehmann]

This thread reminds me of the Monty Python skit where the guy goes to a shop that sells arguments.

No it doesn't! :stare:

:rotfl2:

[TDK1044]

In response to the OP; what you're seeing here isn't Civil War, it's people who care about subsims debating the wisdom of the journey that Ubisoft chose to take the Silent Hunter franchise on.

If you want to see Civil War, go and check out the GWX/Ducimus posts in the early days of SHIII. :) Now that was showbusiness! :DL

[609_Avatar]

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9489/southridesagain.jpg




I'm on her side. :salute:

I'm with you! Looking at that pic I feel something rising down South but I don't think that's what is meant... (Did I just type that out loud?!? :oops: ) ;)

[Bilge_Rat]

In response to the OP; what you're seeing here isn't Civil War, it's people who care about subsims debating the wisdom of the journey that Ubisoft chose to take the Silent Hunter franchise on.

If you want to see Civil War, go and check out the GWX/Ducimus posts in the early days of SHIII. :) Now that was showbusiness! :DL


ah yes, those were days, way before most of the young whippersnappers around here even knew how to type on a keyboard. ol' Duci even did brig' time over that.

Things were so heated there is even a rumour that posters almost got up from their computer keyboards to actually argue with each other face-to-face instead of just posting harsh words on a forum. :arrgh!:

[Takeda Shingen]

I agree completely with the statement that this is nothing. If you want to see fireworks, you should have seen this forum during three occasions:

1. The aforementioned modder battle royale.
2. The 2003 invasion of Iraq.
3. The 2008 US presidential election cycle.

Without question the three ugliest things I've seen on SubSim.

[AVGWarhawk]

God I love this place. :D

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Awww! C'mon AVG! Give us a big ole' kiss will ya!?!

:D

:/\\k: SMOOCHEH SMOOCHEH!!!

[scrapser]

No it doesn't! :stare:

:rotfl2:

But...but...the sign on the door says, "Arguments"!!!

LOL

[scrapser]

http://img695.imageshack.us/img695/9489/southridesagain.jpg




I'm on her side. :salute:

You stay there...I'll be right behind...her (did I just say that?).

[McBeck]

Back on track with the good ol' Subsim spirit!!! :up:

Cheers (In homebrewed beer) *hick* :D

BTW....is this Drunk'n'moderating??

[Sailor Steve]

Yes! Have one on me!

Better yet, have one on ^her^

[Placoderm]

This thread reminds me of the Monty Python skit where the guy goes to a shop that sells arguments.

No it doesn't! :stare:

:rotfl2:

Yes it does...:stare:

[Placoderm]

But...but...the sign on the door says, "Arguments"!!!

LOL

no it doesn't...:stare:

[robbo180265]

Is this the 10 minute argument or the full half hour?

[Zedi]

This thread reminds me of the Monty Python skit where the guy goes to a shop that sells arguments.

Ow.. now that's a hardcore one. The mighty argument clinic skit. The pure british black and hardcore humor. Remind me "the parrot" sketch and I will retire my u-boat for good :haha: Monty Python forever, fan of the ministry of the silly walk!

[scratch81]

this thread is yet another of many primed for arguement

I disagree with that statement

[Sailor Steve]

I disagree with that statement
An argument's not the same as contradiction. An argument is a collective series of statements to establish a definite proposition.

[krashkart]

An argument's not the same as contradiction. An argument is a collective series of statements to establish a definite proposition.

Now see, that's where you're wrong, Steve. And I'll tell ya why... just as soon as I ... find that dang... back scratching device *grimace*... that... I got... fer my... birthday *scratch scratch sccccrrraaatch*

Ahhhh. Now that's the stuff. :smug:

[Sailor Steve]

Now see, that's where you're wrong, Steve. And I'll tell ya why... just as soon as I ... find that dang... back scratching device *grimace*... that... I got... fer my... birthday *scratch scratch sccccrrraaatch*

Now that's the stuff. :smug:
EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!! Wrong!

Somebody please quote the correct answer!:D

[ETR3(SS)]

An argument's not the same as contradiction. An argument is a collective series of statements to establish a definite proposition.No it isn't. :D

[krashkart]

No it isn't. :D

Of course it is. What was the question? I forgot. :-?

[Sailor Steve]

No it isn't. :D
Yes. It. IS!:stare:




For KrashKart:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kQFKtI6gn9Y

[Moeceefus]

An argument's not the same as contradiction. An argument is a collective series of statements to establish a definite proposition.


i've always thought of arguements as little more than differences of opinions

[Sailor Steve]

Well, if we're going to be serious again, these days an argument is defined as disagreement or contention, but originally it meant the logic or reasoning of a stated position. Legal dictionaries define it as "the reasoning given for or against a matter under discussion".

But of course my statement was a quote from the Monty Python sketch, and was meant to add to the train of fun. With a couple of exceptions I seem to have failed.:cry::D

[Nordmann]

With a couple of exceptions I seem to have failed.:cry::D

No you haven't! :know:

[Sailor Steve]

No you haven't! :know:
:rotfl2:

Thank you! That just cheered me right up.:sunny:

[Kpt. Lehmann]

Is this the right room for an argument?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

[Sailor Steve]

Is this the right room for an argument?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1392961&postcount=49
:O:

[Jimbuna]

i've always thought of arguements as little more than differences of opinions

Well, you know what they say...."opinions are like ar$eholes....everybody has one but some smell more than others" :know:

[krashkart]

Is this the right room for an argument?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=teMlv3ripSM

No, the room for argument is next door... thatta ways! *point* :stare::D

Sailor Steve, I beg to differ that you were indeed a sailor, even though your avatar and TGYC patch clearly invalidate my argument. :hmph:

Furthermore:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyQvjKqXA0Y


:DL

[Sailor Steve]

Sailor Steve, I beg to differ that you were indeed a sailor, even though your avatar and TGYC patch clearly invalidate my argument. :hmph:
Beg all you want.:rotfl2: I was a sailor. Yes, I was! I WAS TOO!

At least that's the way I remember it.

I think...

[krashkart]

Beg all you want.:rotfl2: I was a sailor. Yes, I was! I WAS TOO!

At least that's the way I remember it.

I think...

Well that throws my whole argument out the door... or does it? :hmmm:

Ever have an argument with the color Green?? It's almost impossible to win. :yep:

[thorn69]

Who ever said the Civil war was about slavery? Stupid liberal educational system these days! Errr! :nope:

The Civil War was about States rights! The South wanted to secede from the Union due to unfair taxation imposed on them by President Lincoln. The Southern land owners were wealthy and the North wanted to sink their teeth into that wealth. When the South refused and seceded from the Union, Lincoln declared war on the South and used violence and intimidation as a means to get what he wanted.

Black slavery happened EVERYWHERE at that time (Both in the North and in the South). But Lincoln, in a desperate effort for popularity when Union morale was at an all-time-low, and in hopes of creating behind enemy lines sabotage in the South, freed Black slaves ONLY in the South. He still had them mending his trousers, cleaning his home, and running him a bath up North however.

After the war ended, the North felt the need to come up with other excuses for why they attacked, raped, pillaged, and burned down the cities in the South. Because let's face it, it's pretty hard to justify straight up mas murder as a noble deed! So they exaggerated up stories about slave mistreatment in the South to put a complete spin on why the war started. Today, our liberal educational system teaches us that President Lincoln was a great man and that the Civil war was about slavery and that the big bad Southern white man had an ass whupping coming to him! LOL! :rotfl2:

Just think of how history books would have been written if the South had won. We'd be better taught about the evils of dictatorships and tyrannical rule instead. We definitely wouldn't have a current President that felt that a person's good fortune and wealth should be robbed from them by the government and given over to someone else who is less fortunate and/or too lazy to work. Anyways, that's just my $0.02.

[Takeda Shingen]

Who ever said the Civil war was about slavery? Stupid liberal educational system these days! Errr! :nope:

The Civil War was about States rights! The South wanted to secede from the Union due to unfair taxation imposed on them by President Lincoln. The Southern land owners were wealthy and the North wanted to sink their teeth into that wealth. When the South refused and seceded from the Union, Lincoln declared war on the South and used violence and intimidation as a means to get what he wanted.

Black slavery happened EVERYWHERE at that time (Both in the North and in the South). But Lincoln, in a desperate effort for popularity when Union morale was at an all-time-low, and in hopes of creating behind enemy lines sabotage in the South, freed Black slaves ONLY in the South. He still had them mending his trousers, cleaning his home, and running him a bath up North however.

After the war ended, the North felt the need to come up with other excuses for why they attacked, raped, pillaged, and burned down the cities in the South. Because let's face it, it's pretty hard to justify straight up mas murder as a noble deed! So they exaggerated up stories about slave mistreatment in the South to put a complete spin on why the war started. Today, our liberal educational system teaches us that President Lincoln was a great man and that the Civil war was about slavery and that the big bad Southern white man had an ass whupping coming to him! LOL! :rotfl2:

Just think of how history books would have been written if the South had won. We'd be better taught about the evils of dictatorships and tyrannical rule instead. We definitely wouldn't have a current President that felt that a person's good fortune and wealth should be robbed from them by the government and given over to someone else who is less fortunate and/or too lazy to work. Anyways, that's just my $0.02.

Take it to GT. This thread is about mod squabbles, DRM, bugs and SH5.

The Management

[Jimbuna]

I had one of those rows with my wife tonight.

You know the kind I mean.

The type of argument that leaves you editing Wikipedia to prove your point. :doh:

[Seefer]

Very immature post.

Agreed.

It's also a good example of the lame Ad Hominim response to criticisms of this game (or whining as he calls it). Instead of attacking the person, tackle the crticisms of the person you think is 'whining' and why you think his points are wrong.

If his points are valid, you calling him a whiner is going to get you labeled as weak-minded, easily-pleased fanboy :)

Also seems I should have multi-quoted this post to include the post you were replying too :)

[Subnuts]

Who ever said the Civil war was about slavery? Stupid liberal educational system these days! Errr! :nope:


You may be interested in knowing that the United States isn't the only country in history to have a civil war.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_civil_wars

Or is ours the only one that matters? :hmmm:

Sorry for the OT reply to the OT post, but I felt the need to address this.

[Sailor Steve]

Who ever said the Civil war was about slavery? Stupid liberal educational system these days! Errr! :nope:.

Take it to GT. This thread is about mod squabbles, DRM, bugs and SH5.

The Management
:yep: What Tak said.

And we just recently had that discussion there. If you're not just trolling and really want to discuss it, meet me here:
http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=167597

[krashkart]

Weren't we arguing about Monty Python not long ago? No, no, it wasn't that... *ponder* Ah, yes. *gestalt* It must have been whether Steve's hair is real or not. :D


*scroll scroll* *clicky clicky*


Nope. :shifty:

[Sailor Steve]

I can only quote Meg Ryan from Joe Versus The Volcano:

"I have no response for that."

[jwilliams]

The type of argument that leaves you editing Wikipedia to prove your point. :doh:

ROFLMAO :har: