A Suggestion for SH5 Super-Modders

[jdkbph]

I think it is apparent now, even to the most strident UBI supporters among us, that if anything decent comes of this game, it will be because of the modders. UBI's approach, from development to release to communications to support has been nothing short of disgraceful... demonstrating an unbelievable arrogance and utter disdain for their customers.

But, as as i've said elsewhere, I'm a bit torn about that... the modders to the rescue I mean. On one hand I really want a good sub sim to play, and I very much appreciate the efforts made by (a relatively few) talented folks willing to put in the time and work to make that happen.

On the other hand it is maddening to think that, because of those modders, UBI will be associated with a quality product to which they have no rightful claim. To make matters worse, some of that undeserved benefit will be in the form of $$$... improved sales numbers.

So I was thinking... you know what would serve UBI right?

When/if the much hoped for super mod - that finally turns this bucket of dreck into a real game - makes it's appearance, it would be great if one of the mods included was an alteration to the title graphics and opening movie sequences. If it were up to me I would completely obliterate any reference to UBI and the name Silent Hunter, and substitute... something. Anything.

When the game loads, it should be plain as plain could be, that the goodness you are about to experience comes, not because of UBI, but in spite of them.

$0.02

JD

[Madox58]

Changeing all that is easy.
And most past mods have done some sort of changes in this area.
One thing that is left in is the Ubi logos and such.

It is thier release after all.
And do you think any sane person/group would want full credit for
what is probably the worst release of a continuous series ever?

(Note to self: Contact Guinness Book of Records!)

[mookiemookie]

Many prolific modders as well as the devs themselves have made mention of the fact that creating this antagonistic "us vs. them" attitude is counter productive and not welcome.

It's a two way street - you mention that a vibrant mod community helps with sales, but what you fail to mention is that without the release of SH5, there'd be nothing for a modder to work on.

[jdkbph]

Yeah, but no SH5 at all may have been the best case scenario for us. Wasn't GWX4 well underway (or at least in the deep planning stages) when they pulled the plug?

Given what we know now, who wouldn't prefer a GWX'ed SH4 over SH5?

JD

[Nordmann]

Given what we know now, who wouldn't prefer a GWX'ed SH4 over SH5?

I don't know about you, but I'd much prefer a GWX'ed SH5! ;)

[kylania]

Yeah, but no SH5 at all may have been the best case scenario for us. Wasn't GWX4 well underway (or at least in the deep planning stages) when they pulled the plug?

Given what we know now, who wouldn't prefer a GWX'ed SH4 over SH5?

JD

SH5 is in every way better than SH4.

[robbo180265]

Many prolific modders as well as the devs themselves have made mention of the fact that creating this antagonistic "us vs. them" attitude is counter productive and not welcome.

It's a two way street - you mention that a vibrant mod community helps with sales, but what you fail to mention is that without the release of SH5, there'd be nothing for a modder to work on.



SH5 is in every way better than SH4.

Agree with both of these posts:up:

[danlisa]

No base version of SH3, SH4 & SH5 = No Supermods.

No UBI release = No Supermods.

Modders cannot produce this content that community members clamor for without the groundwork layed by the devs/studio. Modders and members alike should always recognise that fact

[krashkart]

Here's a suggestion I'm sure many of the super-modders follow: don't read these kinds of threads. :03:

[Madox58]

But, But, But...
We get baited in so well.
:haha:

And PLEASE!
Drop the GWX this and that stuff.
As many have pointed out?
There's a LARGE number of modders here abouts.

All are needed to fix this thing We Loveingly call SH5
(I'd get keelhauled again if I used my name for it)
Some cringe at the GWX thing and may put them off
a group effort.

If there are a large number of different groups?
None talking to each other?
We face an uphill struggle.
And a world of mods that hate each other!
The guy that ends up getting shafted is the average user.

That's the guy We, as Modders, should be looking out for!
Not looking to get our names in headlights for the sake
of 'Who is the best!'

I'm out to watch over the Guy that knows only how to start the
computer and launch the Game.
I could not care less if he knows who I am.
Just so he has the best possible Game experience he can find is my goal.

[jdkbph]

No base version of SH3, SH4 & SH5 = No Supermods.

I think you misunderstand. I considered SH3 and SH4 to be at least at industry standard levels with regard to delivering what was advertised, quality and the overall state of completion. I had no problem with UBI or these devs... until SH5.

JD

[Bilge_Rat]

I think you misunderstand. I considered SH3 and SH4 to be at least at industry standard levels with regard to delivering what was advertised, quality and the overall state of completion. I had no problem with UBI or these devs... until SH5.

JD

And you would be wrong, just go back and play SH3 and SH4 unpatched, stock and then compare.

[robbo180265]

But, But, But...
We get baited in so well.
:haha:

And PLEASE!
Drop the GWX this and that stuff.
As many have pointed out?
There's a LARGE number of modders here abouts.

All are needed to fix this thing We Loveingly call SH5
(I'd get keelhauled again if I used my name for it)
Some cringe at the GWX thing and may put them off
a group effort.

If there are a large number of different groups?
None talking to each other?
We face an uphill struggle.
And a world of mods that hate each other!
The guy that ends up getting shafted is the average user.

That's the guy We, as Modders, should be looking out for!
Not looking to get our names in headlights for the sake
of 'Who is the best!'

I'm out to watch over the Guy that knows only how to start the
computer and launch the Game.
I could not care less if he knows who I am.
Just so he has the best possible Game experience he can find is my goal.

If we ever meet - I have to buy you a pint:up:

[kylania]

If we ever meet - I have to buy you a pint:up:

Or a shot of Jager! :rock:

[Madox58]

You don't want to feed me Jager!
Trust me on that!
:nope:
I get really Ugly!
A Pint I can do but is not needed.
(Although free drinks are my favorite brand! So I'll be sure to post future travel plans to collect said donations.)
By the way?
I'll be in Fredricksburg, VA this weekend.
:haha:

[subsimlee]

No base version of SH3, SH4 & SH5 = No Supermods.

No UBI release = No Supermods.

Modders cannot produce this content that community members clamor for without the groundwork layed by the devs/studio. Modders and members alike should always recognise that fact

Nor would they need to if UBI produced the subsims that we paid for.....

[jdkbph]

And you would be wrong, just go back and play SH3 and SH4 unpatched, stock and then compare.

Why would I do that? Both games, patched (1.3 for SH3 and 1.5 for SH4), is what they delivered. There were patches along the way to those final versions which incrementally improved the games. They supported both for what I would considered a reasonable period of time (again, relative to industry standards). Of course the mods made them much better, but that's got nothing to do with my opinions vis a vis SH5.

This is all very subjective and I don't want to get into a pissing contest with you over this...

But IN MY OPINION, SH5 is not only dramatically inferior in quality - both initial release and after a couple of patches - to both the previous titles, but their attempts to reinvent the wheel in some critical areas (eg, interface) and introduce new elements in others (eg, the arcade-like mission objectives) are abject failures. Even if they had been developed to the point where they worked, I would still find them unwelcome and/or a waste of time.

Add to that the fact that the game is obviously incomplete (ends in 43, one sub type, limited number of unique merchants, pattern running torpedos that don't run patterns, all those missing command functions... more?) and the case is made, as far as I'm concerned.

Note: I didn't even mention DRM.

Anyway, the games shortcomings are well documented. So the the question is, will UBI support this thing until it's fixed?

OK, so I can't predict the future, and I may be jumping the gun here. But I've been buying and playing computer games since the early 80s. I've learned to read the signs... and the signs say this company has checked out on us. I suspect this happened long before SH5 was even released.

IMHO

JD

[robbo180265]

This is all very subjective and I don't want to get into a pissing contest with you over this...

But IN MY OPINION, SH5 is not only dramatically inferior in quality - both initial release and after a couple of patches - to both the previous titles, but their attempts to reinvent the wheel in some critical areas (eg, interface) and introduce new elements in others (eg, the arcade-like mission objectives) are abject failures. Even if they had been developed to the point where they worked, I would still find them unwelcome and/or a waste of time.

Add to that the fact that the game is obviously incomplete (ends in 43, one sub type, limited number of unique merchants, pattern running torpedos that don't run patterns, all those missing command functions... more?) and the case is made, as far as I'm concerned.


JD

Actually quite wise words these matey.

It is all subjective - you've played the game and made your mind up, and so have I

You see it as you describe it - I don't, and neither of us is wrong. I think that's why so many fights break out on these forums , because we all see the game differently.

What I see is a game (that if moddable) could quite easily replace SH3 as my favourite subsim. A game that still needs at least another patch mind you.

Wouldn't life be boring if we all saw things the same way?