MSNBC + POTUS = Ignorant

[GoldenRivet]

Saw this on Glenn Beck while getting my oil changed at the dealership

http://media.eyeblast.org/newsbusters/static/2010/04/2010-04-26-MSNBC-Brewer.jpg

their caption speaks volumes.

and Mr. President has to say?

watch for yourself... (pay particular attention to 4:50 - 5:00)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYValHENoVo&feature=related

the man is a [Retracted], and a LIAR!

the law does not say the police have the right to stop any person for any reason ... the law states there has to be a "Lawful contact wherein the individual is already engaged in some illegal act"

most commonly this is going to boil down to speeding tickets, DUI, burglary etc.

Continue to follow him blindly you fools, the march into the abyss continues!!

[SteamWake]

Wow GR even I find this a tad over the top :03:

Dont necessarly disagree but maybe a bit heavy handed.

[August]

Wow GR even I find this a tad over the top :03:

Dont necessarly disagree but maybe a bit heavy handed.

I think it's a sign that the gloves are coming off and battle lines are starting to be drawn. We haven't been this close to a civil war since the last one ended.

[Aramike]

I know what you're trying to say, GR, but it wasn't actually a "crime" to be an illegal immigrant. A crime and an offense are not necessarily the same thing, in legal terms.

That's part of the reason I agree with Arizona's stand - it SHOULD be criminalized.

Edit: Here's a good link explaining the difference. http://adreamdeferred.org/blog/30676-being-illegal-is-not-a-crime

[August]

A crime and an offense are not necessarily the same thing, in legal terms.

An "Offending Immigrant"? :hmmm:

[GoldenRivet]

I think it's a sign that the gloves are coming off and battle lines are starting to be drawn. We haven't been this close to a civil war since the last one ended.

unfortunate.

but true.

The stage is set, and we are one catalyst away from the very hell to which we have been following these idiots for years.




Heavy handed? Perhaps... i retract the moron comment as he is obviously an intelligent person.

but i stand beside the liar remark.:up:

[Aramike]

Oh man, gotta love B.O.'s line at about 2:05, regarding "countries like Europe".

[GoldenRivet]

Oh man, gotta love B.O.'s line at about 2:08, regarding "countries like Europe".

"Countries like Europe"?





he said...





Countries.... Like Europe.






:nope: ugh

[Aramike]

"Countries like Europe"?





he said...





Countries.... Like Europe.






:nope: ughYeah, that's what I meant. :har:

[Torvald Von Mansee]

I think it's a sign that the gloves are coming off and battle lines are starting to be drawn. We haven't been this close to a civil war since the last one ended.

...

Really? How about the '60s? Or the 1890s, when the Robber Barons were using Pinkertons to murder union organizers and break strikes (and the gap between rich and poor was even larger than today's)?

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Oh man, gotta love B.O.'s line at about 2:05, regarding "countries like Europe".

If you want stupid quotes, I'm sure Sarah Palin's stupid quotes outstrip Obama's by QUITE a significant margin.

Obama's slips of the tongue are few and far between as it is, but keep grasping those occasional straws!! :yeah:

[August]

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Really? How about the '60s? Or the 1890s, when the Robber Barons were using Pinkertons to murder union organizers and break strikes (and the gap between rich and poor was even larger than today's)?

I think the cracks in our society run much deeper now than they did in those days.

[Aramike]

If you want stupid quotes, I'm sure Sarah Palin's stupid quotes outstrip Obama's by QUITE a significant margin.

Obama's slips of the tongue are few and far between as it is, but keep grasping those occasional straws!! :yeah:Well when President Palin slips up, remind me to laugh at her too.

And really, do you want anyone here to go thread by thread illustrating the straws you constantly grasp at?

[August]

Well when President Palin slips up, remind me to laugh at her too.

And really, do you want anyone here to go thread by thread illustrating the straws you constantly grasp at?

Yeah, comparing POTUS with a former VP candidate is a pretty weak tactic in all 57 states... :D

[GoldenRivet]

Yeah, comparing POTUS with a former VP candidate is a pretty weak tactic in all 57 states... :D

were going to graduate up to former Mayoral candidates in small towns next :haha:

[SteamWake]

If you want stupid quotes, I'm sure Sarah Palin's stupid quotes outstrip Obama's by QUITE a significant margin.

Obama's slips of the tongue are few and far between as it is, but keep grasping those occasional straws!! :yeah:

Hahaha... :har:

Pulling Palin quotes.. classic..

and 'slips of the tounge' I do admit he is quite competitent with that teleprompter its when he goes of script and slips thats the problem ;)

It's not the first time wont be the last by any politician anywhere anytime. But there is a certain level of... well ... cluelessness.

[Aramike]

It's not the first time wont be the last by any politician anywhere anytime. Come, now - the politicians in the great nation of Europe don't seem to have that problem. :cool:

[tater]

If you want stupid quotes, I'm sure Sarah Palin's stupid quotes outstrip Obama's by QUITE a significant margin.

Obama's slips of the tongue are few and far between as it is, but keep grasping those occasional straws!! :yeah:

Few and far between? Minus a prompter, he's almost as bad as Bush, actually. He makes a different kind of gaffe, but they are gaffes none the less (W's tended to be in usage, Obama gets the facts wrong (other than all the ums))

Um, ah, um, ah...

He's not the great speaker he's made out to be. I'm not being biased, I'll not disagree that W was embarrassing many times.

Obama campaigned in 57 states. He felt bad about the 10,000 tornado deaths in one small town, too (12 died).

A few golden ones courtesy of google:

“The Middle East is obviously an issue that has plagued the region for centuries.”

“On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.”

“I’m always worried about using the word ‘victory,’ because…it invokes this notion of Emperor Hirohito coming down and signing a surrender to MacArthur.” (that should get LOLs in this forum anyway)

On translators in the war:
“We only have a certain number of them, and if they are all in Iraq, then it’s harder for us to use them in Afghanistan.”

[SteamWake]

“On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today

OMG I do so remember that !!! :haha::har:

Classic.. I know its just mis speaking but still.

[Freiwillige]

I actually saw Palin speak the other day in a live interview on Arizona's new law. She had no teleprompter and was actually quit articulate. I was impressed after all I had heard about the lady. And yes she's hot...that helps!

[CaptainHaplo]

“On this Memorial Day, as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.”

Maybe some of them in attendance fell down in the crowd? :rotfl2:

[mookiemookie]

I actually saw Palin speak the other day in a live interview on Arizona's new law. She had no teleprompter and was actually quit articulate. I was impressed after all I had heard about the lady. And yes she's hot...that helps!

Not even a hand-aprompter? :haha:

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4014/4337216550_4fc4343589_o.jpg

[August]

Not even a hand-aprompter? :haha:

Actually it's a pretty austere example of old school speech notes. You know, that organizational aid people have always used when giving speeches?

You should note that's totally different than just reading the whole speech on a teleprompter while pretending to look sincerely at the audience. The former requires intelligence, the latter requires only acting ability.

:salute:

[Aramike]

An "Offending Immigrant"? :hmmm:Oh man, I missed this, but this brings up a good point.

"Illegal" does not mean "criminal". For instance, if one were to be guilty of jaywalking, they would have done something illegal. However, they would not have committed a crime.

"Illegal" simply means something contrary to the law. "Criminal" pertains specifically to that which is an offense against a criminal code, or criminal law.

Again, this is why I support Arizona's law. I believe that being an illegal immigrant should be criminal.

[August]

Oh man, I missed this, but this brings up a good point.

"Illegal" does not mean "criminal". For instance, if one were to be guilty of jaywalking, they would have done something illegal. However, they would not have committed a crime.

"Illegal" simply means something contrary to the law. "Criminal" pertains specifically to that which is an offense against a criminal code, or criminal law.

Again, this is why I support Arizona's law. I believe that being an illegal immigrant should be criminal.

Sounds like splitting hairs but i'm all for cracking down on the problem.

[Aramike]

Sounds like splitting hairs but i'm all for cracking down on the problem.It is, but it makes sense.

A great practical example is on a job application when it asks if one has even been convicted of a crime. Employers probably care about, say, theft, but not about going 45 in a 30.

[GoldenRivet]

It is, but it makes sense.

A great practical example is on a job application when it asks if one has even been convicted of a crime. Employers probably care about, say, theft, but not about going 45 in a 30.

perhaps.

but the last three job applications i have filled out in the previous 6 years have all specifically said

"Please INCLUDE any and all traffic violations, vehicular accidents, OR any motor vehicle infractions of any type which resulted in a conviction."

other requested disclosures were the typical felonies AND misdemeanor offenses.

[August]

It is, but it makes sense.

A great practical example is on a job application when it asks if one has even been convicted of a crime. Employers probably care about, say, theft, but not about going 45 in a 30.


I get your point but that's a bad example because many employers in my field will not hire people with speeding tickets on their record, not if they're going to be driving company vehicles...

[Platapus]

Good to know that no one here has ever misspoke when giving a speech or briefing.

[GoldenRivet]

Good to know that no one here has ever misspoke when giving a speech or briefing.

mess up the speech by misspeaking?

yes

Mess up the speech by getting our facts COMPLETELY BASS ACKWARDS WRONG on subject matter we should be completely familiar with or at least thoroughly briefed on?

ummm.... no






EDIT:

to Obama's credit... he didnt mess up his "facts" because they are facts he is making up.

the man flat out LIED to race bait our nation into further division. Its THE ONLY THING HE IS GOOD AT

[Snestorm]

Oh man, gotta love B.O.'s line at about 2:05, regarding "countries like Europe".

Interesting that he slipped on that point, as Europe's immigration problems mirror USA's.

At 2:07, speaking on population, he says "replenishing ourselves".
The truth would have been "replacing ourselves".

[Aramike]

I get your point but that's a bad example because many employers in my field will not hire people with speeding tickets on their record, not if they're going to be driving company vehicles...Right, but usually there's a seperate section for driving history if its a job related thing.