Wear the American Flag and get sent home...

[AVGWarhawk]

on Cinco De Mayo day...


The boys said the administrators called their T-shirts "incendiary" that would lead to fights on campus.



http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Students-Wearing-American-Flag-Shirts-Sent-Home-92945969.html


:doh: Going to hell in a hand basket....

[GoldenRivet]

Going to hell in a hand basket....

You sir, are mistaken.








We're already there.

the progressive movement, the PC bull****, all of it.

Conservatives -be they left or right - have been divided and have slept through the past 40 years of politics in America and this is the direct cost.

[Dowly]

Haha, that's fudged up. :DL

[HunterICX]

Can't do much today without stepping on others toes nowadays :yawn:

HunterICX

[Weiss Pinguin]

Can't do much today without stepping on others toes nowadays :yawn:

HunterICX
I take offense to that :shifty:

[GoldenRivet]

the jacked up thing is.

these Mexican kids can hang the mexican flag over the US flag... and hang the US flag upside down without anyone being allowed to have a problem with it.

[les green01]

personaly i always worn a American flag to school when i went and still wear it whereever i go too many of mine friends and my dad has fought for this country and relatives to give me this right and no chicken crap person going stop me from wearing it or showing my pride in my country

[AVGWarhawk]

personaly i always worn a American flag to school when i went and still wear it whereever i go too many of mine friends and my dad has fought for this country and relatives to give me this right and no chicken crap person going stop me from wearing it or showing my pride in my country


:salute:

[AVGWarhawk]

I take offense to that :shifty:

I take offense to the offense....:stare:

:har:

[TLAM Strike]

I take offense to the offense....:stare:

:har:

I'm offended that people are offended at stuff that is offensive...

:D

[AVGWarhawk]

I'm offended that people are offended at stuff that is offensive...

:D

Offense of the offense noted.

[mookiemookie]

"I think they should apologize cause it is a Mexican Heritage Day," Annicia Nunez, a Live Oak High student, said. "We don't deserve to be get disrespected like that. We wouldn't do that on Fourth of July."

Disrespected? Disrespect would be wearing a French flag on Cinco de Mayo, you idiot.

[conus00]

Unbelievable, just that, unbelievable... :nope:

[UnderseaLcpl]

Well, well, well. If we have so much respect for Cinco de Mayo why are the children in school in the first place? It's an affront to the school's hispanic population. Shouldn't their holidays be given the same accord as the 4th of July, which is a no-school day in year-round schools? What a travesty! :roll:

I think I'll go to a few Texas high schools and protest the wearing of T-shirts bearing the flag of our former Mexican oppressors. Such flags hurt my feelings. For that matter, I think I'll also sue anyone wearing a T-shirt or otherwise displaying the Union Jack on Independence Day. I have a way better case than this school does for both actions, since Mexico never fought for independence against the US, and neither did Britain.

Words that are considered appropriate on this forum do not serve to express my opinion on this matter, but I have a solution. Look! It's like Mad-Libs! Isn't that fun?:DL

Mexican pride can ________________! This is the US of by-God A, not
(verbspletive nounjectspletive noun)
some third-rate _________________________________________!!!!!
(nounjectspletive nounverb adjective adverbjectspletive noun)
All these PC _____________ mother____________ can__________!
(mostly expletives) (all expletives) (*)
___________________________ing,___________________ _____!
(progessspletive verb assemblage) (like Hiroshima or Nagasaki, but an expletive)





*English language inadequate to express vitriol. Please see: Two girls, One cup



For those of you who celebrate Cinco De Mayo, I hope you had a wonderful holiday, and some wonderful Menudo (I can't get enough of that. I think it really is a good dish, and Mexicans should be proud of it). Mexico has a rich and interesting heritage, and it should be celebrated. But the moment you or anyone else tells me what I may or may not express within my First-Amendment rights, you will either get a good nounjectspletive telling-off, or a first-hand understanding of the Second Amendment, as interpreted by me.:D

[AVGWarhawk]

Well said sir! :yeah:

[Torvald Von Mansee]

the jacked up thing is.

these Mexican kids can hang the mexican flag over the US flag... and hang the US flag upside down without anyone being allowed to have a problem with it.

If no one had a problem with it, how do you know about it?

[August]

Personally I think Mexicans should go back to Mexico but if they want to be Americans then they can stay.

[antikristuseke]

This is just ****ing ridiculous.

[GoldenRivet]

If no one had a problem with it, how do you know about it?

ok... prehaps "nobody had a problem with it" was the wrong term to use...

how about ... nobody did a GD thing about it?

that work?

It offended me, but i didnt go running to the ACLU or the nearest law firm crying like a lil prick about it.

probably should have eh? since thats what we're reduced to?

[CCIP]

Actually, I propose that we ban the wearing of shirts in general, especially by girls - as an accommodation to all those single guys who never get to see any boobs, except on the internet :woot:

What, makes as much sense AND accommodates a much more inclusive minority :salute:

[KL-alfman]

Unbelievable, just that, unbelievable... :nope:


I'm stunned how far they dare to go.
they should be more than happy to are allowed to live in the U.S.A.

[GoldenRivet]

you're on the right track.

Personally i think that all Public schools should have uniforms.

I went to a private school, we were required to wear uniforms.

we b*tched about it for about a week and then it sort of went by the wayside.

on the positive not... nobodys clothes were any more or less offensive or provocative / revealing than anyone else's.

[tater]

I know what my kids are wearing next may 5, now, lol.

If we had the german equivalent (I have a german surname), they'd need to celebrate most days of May and June, lol.

[AVGWarhawk]

you're on the right track.

Personally i think that all Public schools should have uniforms.

I went to a private school, we were required to wear uniforms.

we b*tched about it for about a week and then it sort of went by the wayside.

on the positive not... nobodys clothes were any more or less offensive or provocative / revealing than anyone else's.


Charter schools in Baltimore are now uniformed schools. I like uniforms because there is never any question in my house as to what to wear for school on any given day and it saves me a bundle every year because I do not need to buy the latest trends in clothing/shoes. I think we have had this discussion before and I was basically called an ass for liking uniforms for schools. :hmmm:

[August]

I was basically called an ass for liking uniforms for schools. :hmmm:

I didn't because I agree with you.

[mookiemookie]

I didn't because I agree with you.

Same goes for me.

[AVGWarhawk]

Hmmmm...perhaps it was something else them. Gray matter getting old. :oops:

[conus00]

I'm stunned how far they dare to go.
they should be more than happy to are allowed to live in the U.S.A.

Yep, like me. I'm too old to go to school but I can't even imagine what would happen if (hypothetically) I went to school wearing Czech flag t-shirt on October 28th and was making big fuss about Americans wearing their colors. :nope:
But Mexicans are given so many liberties that it blows my mind.
If you are so proud to be Mexican that you are offended about Americans wearing THEIR colors in THEIR country on YOUR holiday the pack the f--- up and go back to Mexico.
Either assimilate or get out!
(The same goes for Indians and Somalis)

[GoldenRivet]

i should clarify though...

I was only in private school for a little under 2 years. Upon leaving the 8th grade private school i went to a public high school.

talk about culture shock. :haha:

It was quite an eye opener in more ways than one.

in the private school you had basically 4 or 5 pairs of shirts and slacks. and thats it.

in the public school, you never knew what you were going to see.

I once wore a T-shirt to school i got in trouble for... it had a golf ball logo on the front left breast.

on the back a golf tee, broken and laying on a torn patch of green grass with dirt with the caption "Par Sucks" :shifty:

the kid in another class routinely wore a shirt which had a rooster and a cat staring each other down as if about to fight.

the cat was calling the rooster a "chicken" and the rooster was calling the cat a "pussy".

he never got into any trouble with it that im aware of.

and you always had the way way way too short skirts, problem is these were only worn by two types of women.

either it was the unattainable senior super model in the making, cheer leading team captain - though this was rare

or it was (more commonly) the 350 lb girl from the movie "precious (http://www.randomhouse.com/vintage/screen/books/art/precious/precious1.jpg)" wearing the mini-skirts

none of the cute, "attainable" girls ever wore that sort of thing unfortunately. :shifty:

you had the bikers, the gangsters, the rednecks the goths, the preps and it was all really sad.

in the uniformed school, i noticed that 1. Cliques were way less likely to exist (though they did) but they were less distinguishable 2. nobody got in trouble for their clothes, 3. nobody got made fun of for their clothing choices - because you say something mean about someones uniform choice, it was inevitable that you would be wearing the exact damned thing you made fun of on Thursday :doh:

[GoldenRivet]

I can't even imagine what would happen if I (hypothetically) I went to school wearing Czech flag t-shirt on October 28th

unfortunately i think that most of your 16-17-18 year old crowd wouldnt even get it... or be able to identify the flag at all for that matter.

to quote one of my 17 year old students directly "You go to school to socialize and get girls, and make friends... not to learn stuff!"

[UnderseaLcpl]

Personally i think that all Public schools should have uniforms.


No. No uniforms in public educational institutions with mandatory attendance requirements. If private schools want uniforms, that's fine, but none in public schools. That's coercion, and it is immoral. Public schools do enough of that BS already, which is why our educational system sucks.

Maybe uniforms are a good choice and maybe they aren't, but until the public school system is on equal competitive footing with the private school system, there should be no mandate for uniforms. Let the public schools compete. Take away their fiat funding and let parents decide what to do with it. Use a voucher system, or something similar. If schools that use uniforms perform better, we'll end up with a glut of schools with every kind of uniform imaginable. If uniforms are ultimately viewed as detrimental, there will still be schools that use uniforms for people to choose.

[tater]

I've always been against vouchers, but I can see your point WRT mandatory attendance vs uniforms I suppose.

[AVGWarhawk]

No. No uniforms in public educational institutions with mandatory attendance requirements. If private schools want uniforms, that's fine, but none in public schools. That's coercion, and it is immoral. Public schools do enough of that BS already, which is why our educational system sucks.

Maybe uniforms are a good choice and maybe they aren't, but until the public school system is on equal competitive footing with the private school system, there should be no mandate for uniforms. Let the public schools compete. Take away their fiat funding and let parents decide what to do with it. Use a voucher system, or something similar. If schools that use uniforms perform better, we'll end up with a glut of schools with every kind of uniform imaginable. If uniforms are ultimately viewed as detrimental, there will still be schools that use uniforms for people to choose.


Ah yes...here it is...the uniform argument I was thinking of. :hmmm: To be sure...check out the public charter schools that are uniformed schools and do complete on the same level as private schools.

http://www.mycsp.org/index.php

[tater]

Except that the parents of kids in private school have to pay for the public schools AND private school.

I think the big issue with schools is NOT the school, it's the kids/parents. Charter schools, private schools, etc, select for involved parents and families that care about education. That's why private schools are better, not because the teachers are better, or the facilities. ALl the parents are willing to pony up thousands of dollars a year, so they clearly place significant value on education.

Valuing education, and not paying the money works just as well, IMO—unless the school has a critical mass of kids who don't value education.

[GoldenRivet]

until the public school system is on equal competitive footing with the private school system

This would never happen i should think.

If thats the way we will play it, i think that any family with kids in private school should be exempt from a certain percentage of taxes that support public education.

the thing about public education is that anyone from any walk of life has access to it...

the problem with that is... probably something like 1 in 20 actually want to be there.

[AVGWarhawk]

Except that the parents of kids in private school have to pay for the public schools AND private school.


True and I do.

[nikimcbee]

Actually, I propose that we ban the wearing of shirts in general, especially by girls - as an accommodation to all those single guys who never get to see any boobs, except on the internet :woot:

What, makes as much sense AND accommodates a much more inclusive minority :salute:

I want to add an amendment to this idea, it only applies to hot chicks.:D

[SteamWake]

Hah.. heard somewhere today that one of the boys sent home, his father is Mexican :har:

[tater]

True and I do.

Me too :)

[Platapus]

The principal acted outside his authority. I am glad that the school district came out and stated that they are not in agreement with what this individual did. I suspect that there will be some disciplinary action taken against this individual. A review of California Government Code Sections 430-439 show no justification for the actions of this individual.

I feel that it is important to recognize that this was the act of an individual and not the California school system, nor the government of California.

What this individual did was wrong.

[Aramike]

Did anyone catch that the name of the administrator who sent these kids home was Miguel Rodriguez?

Draw your own conclusions - I'm just sayin'.

[SteamWake]

Did anyone catch that the name of the administrator who sent these kids home was Miguel Rodriguez?

Draw your own conclusions - I'm just sayin'.

That actually sounds like a Cuban name. :|\\

[Platapus]

Concerning School uniforms..

This issue comes up pretty much every year here in Virginia. A few years ago we were discussing this with The Frau's daughter, who at the time was in High School.

The daughter was adamantly against school uniforms on the basis that it interferes with her freedom of expression.

I pointed out that she already wears a school uniform. She wears exactly what her peer group wears down to the brand and colour. There is no freedom of choice, there is herd mentality where ever has to wear the "trendy" stuff or be considered an outsider.

There are two advantages of school uniforms.

1. Expense. It will be cheaper and parents of modest means won't be pressured to spend more than they can afford so that little Sally can be "accepted"

2. If everyone wears the same uniform, the only way a student can express themselves is by developing a personality. Enabling a system where kids are socially evaluated on their personality instead of their father's credit limit is a good thing.

Of course I want to see the teachers in school uniforms too as we have some VERY HOT teachers in Virginia. :yep:

[Platapus]

Did anyone catch that the name of the administrator who sent these kids home was Miguel Rodriguez?

Draw your own conclusions - I'm just sayin'.


Why don't you help us out here. State your conclusions. Why just throw something out there and post "just sayin"?

Clearly you are trying to lead the reader into making some inference. Own up to it and just state your agenda. :yep:

[tater]

Saying it is not bad, IMO. A hispanic with an agenda wanted to send a message that somehow the US flag was offensive on a day celebrated by people of Mexican descent—who are presumably also Americans since they are in an American school. It's clearly an agenda, or he'd have been equally offended by the flag flying in front of the school (and possibly in every classroom).

Would he have booted the kids on St. Patrick's Day for the same shirts?

Bastille Day?

What's the German version of defeating the French in a battle again? May 10 through June 25th?

The guy was totally out of line. If it was ME picking up my kid, I'd have gone into his office, and told him to retract it, or there'd be TV cameras here (and my lawyer). I'd do the same if some teacher started teaching magic in science class, too, BTW.

[Aramike]

Why don't you help us out here. State your conclusions. Why just throw something out there and post "just sayin"?

Clearly you are trying to lead the reader into making some inference. Own up to it and just state your agenda. :yep:How much more do I have to say to own up to what anyone can clearly infer?

Tater seemed to be able to pick it up pretty easily. As did pretty much anyone else that read it. You, my friend, were misguidedly attempting to demonize, despite the fact that the point had little to protest.

Here, just in case it wasn't clear: a hispanic administrator protested an AMERICAN student's apparel, in the US, on May 5th. A reasonable conclusion could be that his motivations were at least in part racially motivated.

Not sure what you mean by "agenda", however, as drawing a conclusion is hardly indicative of such a thing.

[mookiemookie]

Guys, I think we're blowing a stupid decision made by a high school principal way out of proportion. :yawn:

[Onkel Neal]

No. No uniforms in public educational institutions with mandatory attendance requirements.

Yes, uniforms in public schools. I have kids, so I outrank you. :O:

[tater]

Guys, I think we're blowing a stupid decision made by a high school principal way out of proportion. :yawn:

You'd say the same if it was some fundamentalist Christian principal who sent home kids with religious shirts from some other religion—but allowed Christian shirts?

I think not.

I can tell you one thing, I might be of a different political stripe from you, but I never have a double standard. I'd be all over a fundie doing that. I frankly see no reason for a public school to make any notice of a Mexican holiday (not even widely celebrated in mexico as I understand it, at least officially) at all. There is no reason to encourage it any more than Bastille Day. American kids—even if their families came from Mexico—are not Mexican, they are American. I don't even know what the analogous German and Swedish holidays are (if any), and that's MY background. I also don't care. My grandmother was born in Sweden, but I'm no more Swedish than my friend Pablo (ancestors in NM for many hundreds of years on the Spanish side, and Zuni for thousands of years on the other). Why? We were both born to American parents, we share far more cultural affinity than either of us do with someone from Europe.

Right now I see too many la raza "reconquista" types pushing
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_iGggGfFOpZw/Sf-XVYlSXrI/AAAAAAAAB5Q/hnF1ZJ_xqYY/s400/sinko-de-mayo.jpg
to care for it much.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Yes, uniforms in public schools. I have kids, so I outrank you. :O:

Then I don't want to pay for public schools.:DL

[Aramike]

Yes, uniforms in public schools. I have kids, so I outrank you. :O:Then I don't want to pay for public schools.:DL I have to agree with Neal on this one. Perhaps its the public's job to pay for educating our youth - but it is NOT the public's job to provide a forum for students to express themselves freely.

[Aramike]

Guys, I think we're blowing a stupid decision made by a high school principal way out of proportion. :yawn:Out of proportion how? It's a point of interest, worthy of discussion. Nothing more, certainly nothing less. :cool:

[antikristuseke]

I have to agree with Neal on this one. Perhaps its the public's job to pay for educating our youth - but it is NOT the public's job to provide a forum for students to express themselves freely.

And the public is not paying for their free expression, the kids parents are. Last I heard public schools did not buy clothes for the children.

[CaptainHaplo]

There are two sides on the school uniform issue - but I have to come down on the side of pro - and here is why.

Schools are supposed to be safe, secure facilities where your child is focused on learning. While that is a pipe dream, school uniforms do enhance the safety of the children - as it keeps kids from being killed over a pair of shoes someone else wants. It reduces bullying because there is one less thing to target another person over (and dress is a BIG contributor to bullying), and assists in keeping the social strata less clear to the kids, meaning they are able to socialize in a more healthy (cross-levels) way. Uniforms help ease divides along racial/ethnic lines, while teaching children that their appearance is important.

And the public is not paying for their free expression, the kids parents are. Last I heard public schools did not buy clothes for the children. A taxpayer doesn't pay for the uniforms, so whether or not a school has a uniform code or not doesn't matter when it comes to the monetary costs. However, without a uniform code, the taxpayer IS paying for a forum where a student can "express" themselves - at the cost of causing issues and disruption to the rest of the students. Is the purpose of the school to allow kids to "express themselves", or is it there to educate them? Requiring them uniforms is no more a breach of their "freedom of speech" than it is for there to be a requirement to remove a hat or cap when inside a courtroom. No one is limiting their right to speak as they choose (within the confines of not being disruptive). Freedom of expression... so if a kid wants to wear a thong to school, a sock over his privates and one on each ear in mockery of an elephant, we should allow it - because its freedom of expression? How about the senior who wants to wear a toga to school, since he saw some college kids do it at a party? I could go on and on. Uniforms make sense.

Kids don't like them - I realize that. But then again... they don't like homework - maybe they shouldn't have that either. Heck, they don't like school, using the whole "freedom of expression" arguement, we are limiting their freedom to express they want to be lazy bums by making them get up and actually catch the bus, or go to class. :doh: How far do you want to take that arguement?

[Skybird]

I am no great flag-swinger myself and have difficulties to understand the feelings some people associate with displaying national symbols. But even I can understand that this story is absurd, and describes a story that is wrong and in this way should not have happened.

Absurd, really. Mexican holiday or not, they still are celebrating it in and inside AMERICA, aren't they. Or did America temporarily seized to exist on that day...?

[SteamWake]

Okay its now offical everything is back asswards...


Local School Suspends Student for Removing MEXICAN Flag


http://www.ktrh.com/pages/michaelberry.html

[mookiemookie]

words
Whoa whoa whoa...I agree with you on this issue. Ok? :DL I just think that reading too much into a stupid decision made by some overly-PC high school principal is just taking it a bit too far.

Out of proportion how? It's a point of interest, worthy of discussion. Nothing more, certainly nothing less. :cool:

:salute:

[AVGWarhawk]

I just think that reading too much into a stupid decision made by some overly-PC high school principal is just taking it a bit too far.



Perhaps we are Mookie but this is a demonstration of where the country is headed. Soon just taking a breath will offend someone. When does one say enough? :hmmm:

[AVGWarhawk]

And so it continues...when is to little to late?


Now, the school district is sending a message to parents about the heated issue, assuring them that students will not be suspended, and that students are allowed to wear patriotic clothing.




On Thursday, about 200 Mexican-American students walked out of class in protest of the flag clothing incident. (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Students-Wearing-American-Flag-Shirts-Sent-Home-92945969.html) Members of the group waved the Mexican flag and said they were marching for respect and unity. They also demanded the school suspend the boys who wore the U.S. (http://www.nbcbayarea.com/topics?topic=United+States) flag-adorned clothing.


They demaned to have the boys suspended? WTH?

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/School-District-American-Flag-Clothing-Incident-Extremely-Unfortunate-93065324.html

[HunterICX]

The Americans in that district should all march onto the school wearing the US colours and remind them in which country they live in.

HunterICX

[UnderseaLcpl]

I have to agree with Neal on this one. Perhaps its the public's job to pay for educating our youth - but it is NOT the public's job to provide a forum for students to express themselves freely.

Education shouldn't be the public's job, period. If it were a real job, they'd have been fired a long time ago. Of course, I don't see the American public making the leap of faith into completely privatized education anytime soon, even if poorer families were eligible for subsidies to help pay for it, though I do think as private a system as possible would be best.

If I had a kid, and I had an actual choice of schools (not "pay for these schools, and then pay for the one you choose as well") I'd probably send him or her to a uniformed school, assuming I could find one with a snappy uniform and a good rep for a reasonable price; and I would, too, because schools would be like supermarkets. They'd be all over the place in every variety you can imagine.

Whether or not uniforms are a good thing is not the issue. The issue is that if my child is forced to attend a particular school with a particular curriculum and student/staff populace, then I will not tolerate uniforms, or any other enforced choices. Uniforms? No. School lunch only? No. Mandatory extracurriculars or electives? No. Mandatory non-academic activies? No. Forced busing? No. No No no no no no no no!

Obviously, my hypothetical child would have to be home schooled, since I wouldn't send them to a parochial school, but even home-schooled children tend to do a lot better than publicly-educated children, or even privately-schooled children, and all for around 16% of the cost of public school spending per pupil. The only thing that sucks about it is that they don't get to learn amongst peers in a social environment. That's an easy fix if you're a good home-teacher. You could always persuade neighbors or friends or family to let you home-school their children along with your own.... oh wait, no you can't, because you'd need a license and a degree and all the required minutiae and licensed staff and approval from everybody under the sun. By the time you get done with that, you'd be running a private school that no one has the money to pay tuition for.

The public school system has been consolidating its grip on education and taxpayer dollars for decades now, and it has only ever gotten worse. Who here assumes that uniforms will magically change that? This is the straw that fixed the camel's back? This is the level of control needed? The one that has been missing all these years? <"wanking" motion>:roll:

They always say that if only they had this or that the system would work, and it never does. Not in public schooling, not in public housing, not in public healthcare, not in public anything. Even in the GD military nothing ever seems to work and it costs bazillions!

<sigh> I better stop myself now, before this turns into another Great Wall of English, but I encourage everyone to look at the bigger picture, here. Uniforms will not fix anything, and incidents like this PC flag rage will only happen more often as time goes on. That's what happens when you try to cram all the squares and triangles and octagons and whatnot into the hole made for the circle.

[August]

Hey if one of my students wears the American flag next may 5th can I get the rest of the day off in protest too?

[Aramike]

And the public is not paying for their free expression, the kids parents are. Last I heard public schools did not buy clothes for the children.I didn't say that.

I said "a forum" for their expression.

[tater]

Whoa whoa whoa...I agree with you on this issue. Ok? :DL I just think that reading too much into a stupid decision made by some overly-PC high school principal is just taking it a bit too far.



:salute:

No, I get that, but the news, and the left in general would lose their minds if, for example, kids were sent home for having mexican flags on, or, say, some sort of traditional african costume, pick something popularly PC. Seriously, imagine hispanic kids with mexico shirts on being sent home by some redneck principal.

The guy would be out of a job before lunch.

[Stealth Hunter]

No, I get that, but the news, and the left in general would lose their minds if, for example, kids were sent home for having mexican flags on, or, say, some sort of traditional african costume, pick something popularly PC. Seriously, imagine hispanic kids with mexico shirts on being sent home by some redneck principal.

The guy would be out of a job before lunch.

Yet this didn't happen. Nothing happened like this. So it's really pointless to bring this up. Really, can't we stick to the real story for once here people? Honestly, the label attachments to people just to make it easy and simple to distinguish who's on who's side is getting old. Really old. "The left", "the right", nobody ever lives up to these terms. Drop it already. Jebus.

[AVGWarhawk]

No, I get that, but the news, and the left in general would lose their minds if, for example, kids were sent home for having mexican flags on, or, say, some sort of traditional african costume, pick something popularly PC. Seriously, imagine hispanic kids with mexico shirts on being sent home by some redneck principal.

The guy would be out of a job before lunch.

:yep:

Please not the assistant principals last name. :hmmm:

[Stealth Hunter]

:yep:

Please not the assistant principals last name. :hmmm:

Even so, that name does not necessarily mean they're of Mexican heritage. It's common throughout all Spanish-speaking nations. And the principal's name is Nicholas L. Boden... lol. AND very few of the faculty are Hispanic. Check out their website on the faculty pages. They have pictures too.

http://liveoakhs.ca.campusgrid.net/home
http://liveoakhs.ca.campusgrid.net/home/Alumni

[CaptainHaplo]

Who cares whether or not they have a majority of hispanics running the school - the person who approached the boys was the assistant principle - and the school district itself has said he has acted inappropriately. I don't care if his name was Smith Jones or some other "english" generic name - he acted wrongly by making the wearing of American flags an issue - per his own bosses. The point is had it been any other flag other than the American one - and he would have been on "administrative leave" within hours - but because it wasn't any other flag - nothing will happen - unless the matter continues to escalate.

[Stealth Hunter]

Who cares whether or not they have a majority of hispanics running the school -

AVG and a couple others apparently. Because they brought up the issue of names.

the person who approached the boys was the assistant principle -

And the person who is above but in the same department as the assistant principle is the principle... just thought I'd through his name out there for the ones who were bringing the names issue up.

and the school district itself has said he has acted inappropriately.

Then we're pretty much all in agreement on this. Two of the kids were apparently Hispanic too lol.

http://www.mercurynews.com/breaking-news/ci_15039368?nclick_check=1

I don't care if his name was Smith Jones or some other "english" generic name - he acted wrongly by making the wearing of American flags an issue - per his own bosses.

No, you don't. I don't really either. But others here do. And I wasn't even talking to you to begin with.

The point is had it been any other flag other than the American one - and he would have been on "administrative leave" within hours - but because it wasn't any other flag - nothing will happen - unless the matter continues to escalate.

"Had it been". But it wasn't. This is speculation as to what would have happened. No matter what you're speculating on, what, exactly, are you, or anybody else for that matter, attempting to accomplish? The point is that there is no point to this kind of jibber-jabber. Because it's just speculation. Dwell on what did happen for this kind of discussion topic- not what "would of happened" or "had it been".

[tater]

Yet this didn't happen. Nothing happened like this. So it's really pointless to bring this up. Really, can't we stick to the real story for once here people? Honestly, the label attachments to people just to make it easy and simple to distinguish who's on who's side is getting old. Really old. "The left", "the right", nobody ever lives up to these terms. Drop it already. Jebus.

No, because if it did happen, anyone doing it WOULD INSTANTLY LOSE THEIR JOB. Everyone knows this to be true, and guess what, they like having a job, so they don't do it.

You know this to be true.

Lesse, radio personalities who are controversial or "shocking" as their SOP get sh*tcanned for uttering anything remotely racial even in a clear joking context.

Kids have put up Mexican flags in schools. Other kids took the flags down. Did the kids who put up the flags get in trouble? No. The kids who took the flags DOWN—again, put up without permission—got suspended. That is 100% the standard, and we all know it.

[CaptainHaplo]

No matter what you're speculating on, what, exactly, are you, or anybody else for that matter, attempting to accomplish? The point is that there is no point to this kind of jibber-jabber. Because it's just speculation. Dwell on what did happen for this kind of discussion topic- not what "would of happened" or "had it been".

Its called pointing out a double standard - which should not exist, but does. Pointing out things that are wrong is usually how they eventually get fixed.

The thing here is that this issue is NOT over, but in fact is escalating. Hispanic students marching and demanding these kids be suspended? Doesn't sound like its did down, does it.... The agitating portion of the hispanic population better smarten up quick - this is America, not Mexico - and they are very close to creating a pushback that they have no clue of the severity of.

[les green01]

to me this is like burning the flag or waving a sign at a funural of a soldier that got kill,you dont love this country then it simple leave and don't let the door hit you on the way out,i know im going take some heat for this but i don't care not anymore i don't anymore way i feel life sucks then you die.

[STEED]

There has been news items here over the years about the Union Flag or the St Georges Flag about upsetting certain members of sociality, makes me sick it dose. :nope:

[nikimcbee]

There has been news items here over the years about the Union Flag or the St Georges Flag about upsetting certain members of sociality, makes me sick it dose. :nope:

Who gets upset over that?

[STEED]

Who gets upset over that?

I think the highest percentage goes to the curtain twitches who think there sticking up for the Muslims but in fact are causing more problems than they think.

Bloody do-gooder's

[Sailor Steve]

to me this is like burning the flag or waving a sign at a funural of a soldier that got kill,you dont love this country then it simple leave and don't let the door hit you on the way out,i know im going take some heat for this but i don't care not anymore i don't anymore way i feel life sucks then you die.
Burning a flag has nothing to do with whether you love the country or not. It's rude, but not as "Anti-American" as some people like to make it. Likewise sign-waving at funerals.

[Stealth Hunter]

No, because if it did happen, anyone doing it WOULD INSTANTLY LOSE THEIR JOB. Everyone knows this to be true, and guess what, they like having a job, so they don't do it.

Yet, again, it didn't happen this way. We are talking about events that have taken place in Live Oak High School, we are not speculating on what would of happened or what might have happened if it had happened this way or if the circumstances had been that way, and that's that.

You know this to be true.

Truth implies that this would be the case every single time some kind of instance along these lines arose. To say that with absolute certainty is, to the say the least, irrational, illogical, and just plain stupid.

Lesse, radio personalities who are controversial or "shocking" as their SOP get sh*tcanned for uttering anything remotely racial even in a clear joking context.

Oh they ALL get taken off for making race jokes? C'mon, we both know it doesn't work that way. Very few broadcasters have been taken off the air (the radio and television) for racial remarks. There are a few, but the numbers are so tiny it is in itself a joke.

Kids have put up Mexican flags in schools.

Ok.

Other kids took the flags down.

Ok.

Did the kids who put up the flags get in trouble? No.

Probably, because the United States does believe in something called free speech. Putting a flag up or even burning one is an expression. Whether you agree with it or not is irrelevant- it's legal, they have a right to do it. If you take it down, you are technically censoring their right.

The kids who took the flags DOWN—again, put up without permission—got suspended.

Because that's censoring free speech. Again, if they're putting the flag up to express themselves, you can't remove it for that reason. It's a protected act by the First Amendment lol. The kids who are against it and are taking them down are not in the authority to remove the flags, the school is. Because it's the school's property that it's being done on. The school could order them to take the flags down because it was done without permission, yes, but not because they disagree with their expression. The kids have no authority, so they have no legal power to remove them. Again, they can disagree with the expression if they wish, they can complain to the school about it, but unless the school itself decides to take action, the kids are crossing over the line- evidently ignorant of the law. Too bad that's not an excuse.

That is 100% the standard, and we all know it.

Apparently not 100% familiar, however, with the laws and legal background surrounding this issue. In the case of Live Oaks High School, they're apparently not too familiar with it either. Because the actions of the students there wearing the American flag tees were protected by law. So does the school deserve to get in trouble? Yes. I was never arguing that they shouldn't. All I was arguing was that we should not make this a case about ethnicity (i.e. pointing out who's Hispanic and who isn't in all this; but since others wanted to do it, I used the exact same method to show why their position that it was motivated out of ethnic heritage is not only irrelevant in the circumstantial POV of this incident, but also a faulty tactic because the majority of faculty there are not Hispanic and two of the students who were suspended for the American flag tees WERE Hispanic lol).

Its called pointing out a double standard - which should not exist, but does.

No, it's called, "I'm being hypothetical to push my point of view that some of my contemporaries here share with me, and am speculating to further lend credence to my hypothetical arguments." Long title. We're working on shortening it down to something easier to remember.

Pointing out things that are wrong is usually how they eventually get fixed.

Which is exactly why you rushed down to the bottom of this thread's page and clicked "Post Reply"... to try to fix the problem... because we all know that the first step to fixing social problems like this is to rush to the Internet and voice your opinion on a forum- it's never getting up and taking to the streets and rallying people to support you on the position and launching a legal blitzkrieg against the wrongdoers with the aid of your supporters... lol.

The thing here is that this issue is NOT over, but in fact is escalating.

I never said it was over. In fact, I don't recall anybody saying it was over- here or elsewhere. All I said was that if you're going to argue about this, right now and in the future, stick to the facts and stop with the speculation... if you really want to achieve anything as far as the debate goes.

Hispanic students marching and demanding these kids be suspended?

Where is this happening? Show me a news article that says the Hispanic students of Live Oaks High School are marching and demanding that the students who wore the American flag shirts, two of which are Hispanic, be suspended.

(edit: thank you for the link)

The agitating portion of the hispanic population better smarten up quick

OH MY. SUCH ANGER. Well- what are you going to do about it if they don't "smarten up quick" lol? Nothing... nobody else is going to do anything about it either. There's not going to be a big push by the people to force them to conform, nothing but talk.

- this is America, not Mexico -

Really? Well I'm sure that's new information to everyone- including the Hispanics...

and they are very close to creating a pushback that they have no clue of the severity of.

Again, I'm hearing a lot of talk but not seeing a lot of action. The claims of a "pushback" are ridiculous, to say the least. As much of a dream as the people who believe there will be a race war, the South will rise again, neo-Naziism will become the political standard someday, and there will be a rebellion against the government.

[CaptainHaplo]

Stealth - you wanted a source for them demaning the kids be suspended. Note its the same NBC affiliate that was sourced in the OP:

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/School-District-American-Flag-Clothing-Incident-Extremely-Unfortunate-93065324.html

For clarity sake - I quote the article with emphasis added to the issue in question.

On Thursday, about 200 Mexican-American students walked out of class in protest of the flag clothing incident. Members of the group waved the Mexican flag and said they were marching for respect and unity. They also demanded the school suspend the boys who wore the U.S. flag-adorned clothing.

I just wonder if I am the only one that finds it odd that the school in question sponsors an after school "Mexican Nationalist Club" (MEChA) whose mission is “as a nationalist movement we seek to free our people from the exploitation of an oppressive society that occupies our land.” and then has a "minority" assistant principal target American kids for wearing their national colors.

Keep believing there won't be a push back, keep believing that the students can use "reconquistador" slogans and yelling LaRaza (The Race) without there being a strong, and if necessary (god forbid), violent reaction. I'll remind you of your head being in the sand if it happens.

[Happy Times]

Keep believing there won't be a push back, keep believing that the students can use "reconquistador" slogans and yelling LaRaza (The Race) without there being a strong, and if necessary (god forbid), violent reaction. I'll remind you of your head being in the sand if it happens.

My prediction.:know:

The next wars are going to be ethnic and internal in nature, the present systemic crisis and following economic fall will ignite them.

[Stealth Hunter]

Keep believing there won't be a push back, keep believing that the students can use "reconquistador" slogans and yelling LaRaza (The Race) without there being a strong, and if necessary (god forbid), violent reaction. I'll remind you of your head being in the sand if it happens.

Actually as an immigrant I'd say as a minority it's not going to be my head that's in the sand were something that ridiculous ever to happen, given that the odds are ALL the minorities and all the immigrants would start their own little nationalistic movements. Even so, I'll take my chances. Just like I'll take my chances that the South will not rise again, there will not be an armed insurrection against the government anytime soon, and neo-Nazis will rule the country and make it as great and powerful as Nazi-Germany. But that's just me.:up: