Push to regulate internet access...

[SteamWake]

Just one more layer of control...

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748703961104575226583645448758.html?m od=WSJ_hpp_LEFTWhatsNewsCollection

[mookiemookie]

Regulation in order to ensure net neutrality? Sure, I'll take that.

I'm sure the "Ignorance is strength, war is peace" believers who have some backwards notion that net neutrality in some way means censorship will disagree. But what do they know? :D

[SteamWake]

A backwords notion that censorship will lead to... oh wait... ;)

[GoldenRivet]

It is my humble opinion that the Government has its hands in too many things to start with... i dont care what their intentions are, this is just one more grab.

Government should be a tiny thing.

ours is a toppling giant

remember... the road to hell, is paved with good intentions.

[Bilge_Rat]

the internet is the last bastion of unfettered free speech...just look at the SH5 forum...:ping:

on a more serious note, the last thing we need is more government regulation, which is just another word for censorship, just look what the Chinese government is doing, you let the bureaucrats in and that is the future...

[Feuer Frei!]

Similar stuff is afoot here in Australia...
Mr Conroy and his brilliant brain explosion with the Mandatory Internet Filter.
Latest on that is, and get this, that it is NOT illegal to circumvent/bypass the filter.
Errr, what? Go figure.
Either way, things are slowly but surely being limited, if not eventually "shut down", freedom of speech, freedom to do what you want in your own home, what's next?
Of course it all gets veiled with the usual moralistic words of "protecting society", "protecting your own children", (last time i checked i was the parent of my own kids, not the government) blah blah blah.
Trouble is, some people are buying the crap that governments are selling :nope:

[Torvald Von Mansee]

It is my humble opinion that the Government has its hands in too many things to start with... i dont care what their intentions are, this is just one more grab.

Government should be a tiny thing.

ours is a toppling giant

remember... the road to hell, is paved with good intentions.

Do you LIKE being raped by large corporations? Is that o.k. with you?

[Torvald Von Mansee]

the internet is the last bastion of unfettered free speech...just look at the SH5 forum...:ping:

on a more serious note, the last thing we need is more government regulation, which is just another word for censorship, just look what the Chinese government is doing, you let the bureaucrats in and that is the future...

Slippery slope fallacy (not to mention apples and oranges).

[mookiemookie]

the internet is the last bastion of unfettered free speech...just look at the SH5 forum...:ping:

on a more serious note, the last thing we need is more government regulation, which is just another word for censorship, just look what the Chinese government is doing, you let the bureaucrats in and that is the future...

Self regulation has worked so well lately. Just ask Wall Street or BP.

[GoldenRivet]

Do you LIKE being raped by large corporations? Is that o.k. with you?

Please explain how my ISP (or any other large corporation) is "raping" me?

do you want every good or service available out there to be free?

i can assure you - nothing is ever "free" of charge

[tater]

Self regulation has worked so well lately. Just ask Wall Street or BP.

Self regulation would have worked with Wall Street. It was not allowed to by the government. Betting the store on crap like CDS should have resulted in closed businesses, and bankers doing the right thing (jumping out of windows). Instead we get "too big to fail" and they are in fact rewarded for their misdeeds. Less government involvement would have resulted in more brutal, free market solutions (GM (and all their lazy workers driving up costs) would be toast, for example, as it should be).

Investors too stupid to diversify deserve everything they get (I don't think anyone bamboozled by Madoff or Enron should get any hand-outs, either, they were idiots, every single one of them).

[SteamWake]

Self regulation has worked so well lately. Just ask Wall Street or BP.

Wait you mean that wall street and the oil industry is not regulated ?! :o news to me.

[mookiemookie]

Self regulation would have worked with Wall Street. It was not allowed to by the government. Betting the store on crap like CDS should have resulted in closed businesses, and bankers doing the right thing (jumping out of windows). Instead we get "too big to fail" and they are in fact rewarded for their misdeeds. Less government involvement would have resulted in more brutal, free market solutions (GM (and all their lazy workers driving up costs) would be toast, for example, as it should be).

Investors too stupid to diversify deserve everything they get (I don't think anyone bamboozled by Madoff or Enron should get any hand-outs, either, they were idiots, every single one of them).

Or, a better solution - if we had never gotten rid of Glass Steagall and regulated CDS as they should have been, bailing people out wouldn't have been necessary.

[mookiemookie]

Wait you mean that wall street and the oil industry is not regulated ?! :o news to me.

False dichotomy

[Wolfehunter]

Similar stuff is afoot here in Australia...
Mr Conroy and his brilliant brain explosion with the Mandatory Internet Filter.
Latest on that is, and get this, that it is NOT illegal to circumvent/bypass the filter.
Errr, what? Go figure.
Either way, things are slowly but surely being limited, if not eventually "shut down", freedom of speech, freedom to do what you want in your own home, what's next?
Of course it all gets veiled with the usual moralistic words of "protecting society", "protecting your own children", (last time i checked i was the parent of my own kids, not the government) blah blah blah.
Trouble is, some people are buying the crap that governments are selling :nope:Once the Americans go that path Canada will follow behind. I hope I don't see that day come. That's not good. Its funny how we complain on nations like china who censor and control there net. But our own government and interest groups are doing the same thing...

Amazing truly amazing..:nope:

[ETR3(SS)]

*grabs flame suit*

I got an idea! Why doesn't the American public, with whom companies and the government rely on and can't live without, stand up and do something.
Example:

Company A: Your going to buy this because we tell you and you'll like it.

John Q Public: No. **** off.

John Q Public: I would like (insert good or service of choice here) without taking the shaft, who will provide it for me?

Company B: We will!

John Q Public: Sold!

[tater]

Or, a better solution - if we had never gotten rid of Glass Steagall and regulated CDS as they should have been, bailing people out wouldn't have been necessary.

If insanely risky, leveraged gambling was, erm, insanely risky, no one would do it*. There were (sensible) outfits that refused to partake. The same is true of mortgage backed securities.

Buying this crap is a choice. As long as the huge players feel invulnerable, they're going to try every possible risky thing—why not, the taxpayer will bail them out.

Letting a real correction happen would be painful, but ultimately better, IMHO.

* OK, a few would do it, regardless :)