TDC manuals (Real)

[pickinthebanjo]

Found some .pdf files about various TDC's on my computer. I have the American and Japanese manuals but not the German yet. If anyone want's a copy of them as they are quite informative I have posted links.

Ps. they are De-Classified so don't be alarmed at the headers on every page reading Classified as they are original and have not been updated

[pickinthebanjo]

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B0jZdSufWwtsN2Y4MWJlMTctMjZjMi00YjMwL Tg0MTctMzY0ZDNkOWFlYzc1&hl=en - Japanese TDC

http://docs.google.com/fileview?id=0B0jZdSufWwtsMWY2MzY5YzEtOTExZC00MTkyL TllZmUtZTI2YjU3Mzk1OTJj&hl=en - American TDC

[JMV]

Nice find ! I didn't have the Japanese one...

I am pretty sure Hitman must have a few things for us soon...:03:

[pickinthebanjo]

Yeah hey, maybe someone can use these to help make a GUI more accurate. I still want to find the German TDC manual

I also have the original "Manual" for a VIIC, it's detailed right down to the piping for the crapper

[JMV]

Can you share that with us, please ( original "Manual" for a VIIC ) ?? :rock:
Never found a pdf so far on German TDC :cry:

[pickinthebanjo]

K heres that U-570 Manual/Schematic
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[pickinthebanjo]

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[pickinthebanjo]

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[JMV]

Fantastic, Pickinthebanjo !! for sharing, and sorry I'm late answering ( had to sleep at some stage, after 12 hours of Subsim )
:yeah::salute:

[MarinS]

It looks fascinanting! Great Work, man! :yeah::up::yeah:

[danlisa]

Nice! :yeah:

Can you zip up the VIIC Manual and give a download link? (preferably retaining the original resolutions)

Ta. (edit - In fact, I'll gladly take anything you got)

[Hitman]

IIRC that manual is the basic one used for crew training. It mentions and describes everything on the boat, but does not go into detail in such things as TDC, scopes, etc. A good read, though.

I have never seen an original manual for the Siemens S3 TDC, only some pages with schemes of the layout.

I wish I could get one. :hmmm:

[maillemaker]

awesome pictures! I now have a new desktop!

[pickinthebanjo]

Ok those pictures are from an engineering Manual, If something broke you looked it up and new exactly how to fix it. The TDC had it's own manual but I don;t have that yet, it would be similar to the US/Jap manuals. There were also code books onboard I got tons of those, also there were manuals for Radio, Periscope, and Numerous other things that I have yet to find but I will post whatever I come across.

If anyone want I got a US field ordanace Manual as well, that one is very usefull as it describes everything from 30-06 ballistics to 1000lb aircraft bombs. I use to use it while adjusting various rifles I own since it has good data on the cartridges that I load.

The proper order for that U-570 manual is the First post With the cover, then the post after it and then the top post. I could reorganise it but I don't feel like doing that, I recomend save the schematic pics as you can zoom right down into them and they don't blur out.

[pickinthebanjo]

awesome pictures! I now have a new desktop!

:DL I use to have that schematic that looks like the damage control screen on my destop

I have afew slides of a XXI if you want

[pickinthebanjo]

Yeah the concensus seems to want that zipped up so I Will do it you'll just have to give me some time (I hate posting crap, it takes forever:))

For any confused people seeing this thread, it has changed into a thread about anything technical to do with Submarines (1900-1970)

[Laufen zum Ziel]

That is a fantastic find:salute::salute::salute:

[Kafka BC]

Those piping diagrams bring back bad memories of when I was a marine engineering cadet in 1982.

During my month long work term aboard the Imperial St. Clair, a tanker, I had to trace and draw the entire piping system of the ship as part of my training program. It was hard following the convoluted jumble they became at times while working twelve hour shifts (mostly as a wiper and lackey - the mop became a good friend), trying to catch sleep...and being seasick. The Chief Engineer finally lent me the blueprints of the ship so that I could finish...god bless him.

Bad memories and all, I'll take 'em if you got 'em. They are a treasure.

[headcase]

Sweet man. Now All I need is a degree in Naval Architecture and a welding rig so I can build my own! Not that I ever would of course...

[Rhodes]

Love those kind of schematics! Thanks:up:

[pickinthebanjo]

During my month long work term aboard the Imperial St. Clair, a tanker, I had to trace and draw the entire piping system of the ship as part of my training program. It was hard following the convoluted jumble they became at times while working twelve hour shifts (mostly as a wiper and lackey - the mop became a good friend), trying to catch sleep...and being seasick.

I always find that the first few days aboard are the worst, after that it's not so bad (at least not on the fishing barge). What gets me is after returning to the pier and I still feel like I'm on the barge for the next couple hours.

Whats it like aboard a tanker? On the barge I worked on we got rocked around pretty good.

[JMV]

May be we should ask SIEMENS for the TDC manual. They should have that somewhere in their archives.

Anybody working for SIEMENS or having a relative in good places ?? :hmmm:

[pickinthebanjo]

http://www.hnsa.org/doc/attack/index.htm - American

http://hnsa.org/doc/torpedo-qual-mk37/index.htm More American

http://hnsa.org/doc/s-boat/index.htm - American S-Boat Training Manual

http://hnsa.org/doc/subphrase/index.htm - More American stuff

http://hnsa.org/doc/pdf/suborders.pdf - Some sort of Manual/Log, American

http://hnsa.org/doc/pdf/duff.pdf - American medical study of submariners during WWII

http://hnsa.org/doc/banjo/index.htm - More American Torpedo Guidance information

http://hnsa.org/doc/attackfinder/index.htm - American

http://hnsa.org/doc/destroyer/depthprojector/index.htm - K Gun Information

http://hnsa.org/doc/destroyer/depthprojector1/index.htm - Y Gun Information

http://home.cogeco.ca/~gchalcraft/sm/attack.html - British

http://hnsa.org/doc/depthcharge6/index.htm
- Us Depth Charges

http://hnsa.org/doc/ecat/index.htm - Catalouge of Us Electronic Equipment

http://www.navweaps.com/Weapons/WTUS_WWII.htm - US Torpedoes of WWII

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[pickinthebanjo]

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[pickinthebanjo]

I appolagise for that big dial, I decided to let it stay as it adds character to the post :rotfl2:

I set it as my wall paper

[Kafka BC]

I always find that the first few days aboard are the worst, after that it's not so bad (at least not on the fishing barge). What gets me is after returning to the pier and I still feel like I'm on the barge for the next couple hours.

Whats it like aboard a tanker? On the barge I worked on we got rocked around pretty good.

For the first few days the weather was good and I wasn't sick at all. But it was March and rough weather hit in the Gulf of St.Lawrence and didn't let up for two weeks.

I had been on the ocean before on smaller vessels like fishing boats, and had sailed on the Brad'Or Lakes of Cape Breton Island when I was a kid so I thought I could handle it...I couldn't. This was something different. Those big, long, slow rolls would cause the nausea to build up to almost unbearable points. I quickly learned, like many before me, that if you went outside into the fresh air and could see the horizon it would almost go away. But down inside the engine room, with no exterior points of reference, it was another matter.

I wished I had a hammock to sleep in, the bed in my cabin was useless. I ended up sleeping on the floor, braced between it and the wall. Later on, one of the crew told me the Imperial St. Clair was considered the worst seaboat in the fleet. I don't know if that was true, but it sure felt like it.

I did get over some of it by my final week, and I too needed to reacquaint myself with the land when it was over. I remember my friends thought I walked "funny".

[pickinthebanjo]

Just imagine what the crews aboard the U-boats had to endure, I can't see those fairing well on the surface in calm seas forget a storm.

[Kafka BC]

Just imagine what the crews aboard the U-boats had to endure, I can't see those fairing well on the surface in calm seas forget a storm.

I don't know what the seakeeping characteristics of the U-boats were, but from the collection of pictures that I have they seem to be alright in calm weather. As an educated guess it looks like that at a Sea State of 4 (waves and chop of 1.25 to 2.5 meters), Beaufort Wind Scale of 4 (wind of 5.5–7.9 meters/second), and moderate to short sea swells, that things start getting "lively". Its probably a bit better for the type IX and most certainly worse for the type II.

Silent Hunter III dosn't model any of this. It does, however, correctly limits the game to a Beaufort Scale of 7 (wind 13.9–17.1 m/s). Anything higher and the player would have to show true seamanship skills, usually by pointing the ship into the wind, waves, and swells and using your rudder and engines to maintain steerage or this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VeHoo3OoD9o) could happen. From what I've read, if you loose steerage under those conditions, its damn hard to get it back.

(Edit: I was tired when I wrote this, and strayed a bit. But yes, I can imagine what those U-Boat crews had to endure. As well, can you imagine the reek of vomit from the "unseasoned crewmen" in such an enclosed environment as a U-Boat.)

(I just noticed that I became a Swabbie with this post. Yesterday, I was a Bilge Rat. I'm normally not much for communicating, now I've become a wordy bugger.)

[JMV]

To Pickinthebanjo :

In your Post # 23, what kind of code is that in the last picture ?

Suberb and interesting pictures BTW :up:
And a few documents I didn't have as well. :up:

Thanks a bunch ! :rock:

[pickinthebanjo]

To Pickinthebanjo :

In your Post # 23, what kind of code is that in the last picture ?

Suberb and interesting pictures BTW :up:
And a few documents I didn't have as well. :up:

Thanks a bunch ! :rock:

I honestly have no Idea

[pickinthebanjo]

I am determined to find more german info, specifically about fire control systems and I will continue to post my findings

[JMV]

Thanks for the info Pickintebanjo,

I am from the Enigma forum, so I always am intriged about ciphers, and stuff..
Thank you again for your very interesting informations.

[pickinthebanjo]

If thats the case I have copies of most of the Kreigsmarine and Luftwaffe Code books, I just have to find them (large hard-drive) if you want them

[pickinthebanjo]

http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-570BritishReport.htm - Very informative report on U-570 (VIIC ?)

http://www.uboatarchive.net/U-574INT.htm - Report on the capture on U-574

[pickinthebanjo]

Engineering in the Royal Navy - http://www.hnsa.org/doc/pdf/engmag.pdf

U.S. Sonar operators Manual - http://www.hnsa.org/doc/fleetsub/sonar/index.htm

Ship camouflage Instructions - http://www.hnsa.org/doc/camo/index.htm

Anatomy of a VII - http://www.scribd.com/doc/23575323/Anatomy-of-the-Ship-Type-Vii-U-Boat

U.S. 21-Inch Submerged Torpedo Tubes - http://www.hnsa.org/doc/fleetsub/tubes/index.htm

U.S. Submarine Periscope Manual - http://www.hnsa.org/doc/fleetsub/pscope/index.htm

Main Propulsion Diesels - http://www.hnsa.org/doc/fleetsub/diesel/index.htm

German Optics - http://forum.sukhoi.ru/attachment.php?attachmentid=99582&d=1255798351

[JMV]

Wooow ! Very impressive ! Again thanks a bunch for all that Pickinthebanjo.
I had a few among them, but now I could be taken for a real librarian on the subject ( of subs )

[pickinthebanjo]

Hedgehogs - http://www.uboat.net/allies/technical/hedgehogs.htm

Depth charges - http://www.uboat.net/allies/technical/depth_charges.htm

Personally I find depth charges a hell of a lot scarier than hedgehogs as depth charges don't need to contact the boat in order to do massive damage where as the hedgehogs need to contact the surface of the boat

http://www.uboat.net/allies/technical/images/hedgehog_illustration.gif

[pickinthebanjo]

British Radar - http://www.uboat.net/allies/technical/uk_radars.htm\

HF/DF - http://www.uboat.net/allies/technical/hfdf.htm

ASDIC SONAR - http://www.uboat.net/allies/technical/asdic.htm

Sonobuoys - http://www.uboat.net/allies/technical/sonobuoys.htm

Magnetic Anomaly Detection - http://www.uboat.net/allies/technical/mad.htm

Interview with Erich Topp
http://www.uboat.net/articles/65.html

U-boats in the Med. - http://www.uboat.net/articles/64.html

[JMV]

Wow wow wow Pickingthebanjo,:yeah: You're truly inexhaustible...

Keep them coming, we want more, more, more ! :haha:

The bad side is that the quality has gone done quite sgnificantely :nope:

[pickinthebanjo]

U-Boat training manual for VIIC (Translated to English) - http://uboatarchive.net/Manual.htm

IXC Design studies - http://www.uboatarchive.net/DesignStudiesTypeIXC.htm

[JMV]

Ah Ah ! Pickinthebanjo, this is much much more interresting.... :yeah:
You see, you can when you want... mmmmm ! :yep:
You wanted to hide that from us Heee ? :stare:
Naughty naughty ! :nope:

[JOKING !] Now, this is really som DOC... :up: Thanks a million.

[pickinthebanjo]

http://i63.photobucket.com/albums/h130/thomas_fuller/660462089_tRjqi-M.jpg
I think I'm Getting closer to finding the manual

[JMV]

I wish you good luck, because it's been looked for, for a good while.....
without success. :dead:

[pickinthebanjo]

There must be one somewhere, and I beleive it would contain some useful information

[Hitman]

There IS actually one, but it is in the US national archives, microfilmed. Same as many other manuals with lots of useful technical details. The vast majority of them have not yet reached the internet, but I hope somewhen they will. :88)

[robbo180265]

Awesome thread:up:

[pickinthebanjo]

http://www.uboataces.com/photos/20093268163189514.jpg

U-19 and U-23 lying alongside in the dockyard for assembly

[pickinthebanjo]

http://www.uboataces.com/photos/2007510202558929.JPG
torpedo whiskers and detonator of a WW2 German torpedo
http://www.uboataces.com/photos/200751020225082749.JPG
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torpedo detonator

[pickinthebanjo]

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[pickinthebanjo]

Anyone interested in admiral Dönitz war log? 2491 pages of messages sent to U-boats, and bases

[unterseemann]

Thx for all your stuff! I love the recognition ship manuel... In SH3 it's too easy to say "ok it's a C2 cargo, 150m long, etc..." . IRL things were a lot more thoughier. If you don't know exactly what ship you have in sight, how about distance, speed, tonnage???

[Thomen]

Anyone interested in admiral Dönitz war log? 2491 pages of messages sent to U-boats, and bases

Nice stuff you got there. :up:

With Onkel Karls KTB, did you mean this one:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/2199433/UBoat-Movements-1939-to-1945

Or did he had a personal one?

[pickinthebanjo]

Thats the one, Thanks for posting that for me:) Gotta work tomorrow and it would have took up some time