Why is the patch taking so long?

[Boats]

OK I have my stirring stick out.

If the all the games with mods are saved on the Ubi server why is the patch so long in coming? After all, most of the work has been done for them through the mods they have access to. Unless they're trying to re-write the mods to make it look like their original work.

Semper Fi works both ways. Though my Fi for Ubi is waning.

[McBeck]

I think its to ensure the quality. Imagine the frustrations if the patch caused new issues...

[John Channing]

OK I have my stirring stick out.

If the all the games with mods are saved on the Ubi server why is the patch so long in coming? After all, most of the work has been done for them through the mods they have access to. Unless they're trying to re-write the mods to make it look like their original work.

Semper Fi works both ways. Though my Fi for Ubi is waning.

Because they work at the code level.

But to follow your logic, if all of the flaws you are concerned about are fixed by existing mods, why do you care about the patch?

And implying that the Ubisoft Romania team is so ethically bankrupt that they would steal someone else's work and claim it as their own is really a cheap shot.

If they were that morally insane they would be working for Goldman Sachs and making a lot more money.

JCC

[doomlordis]

its simple , one or more of the promised fixes is causing issues, my moneys on the single core fix.

[Susexx]

its simple , one or more of the promised fixes is causing issues, my moneys on the single core fix.

Single core work OK ! I am testing ! Wait patch in Europe.

[TDK1044]

You want "stirring?"....How about it's possibly the last patch that Ubisoft is going to authorize for this game, and the Devs want to make sure it works correctly because they won't be allowed to fix it if it doesn't.

[Boats]

Because they work at the code level.

But to follow your logic, if all of the flaws you are concerned about are fixed by existing mods, why do you care about the patch?

And implying that the Ubisoft Romania team is so ethically bankrupt that they would steal someone else's work and claim it as their own is really a cheap shot.

If they were that morally insane they would be working for Goldman Sachs and making a lot more money.

JCC

Sorry but I'm not niave enough to trust everyone, especially those I don't know. And they really haven't given us a chance to know them through the wruitten word, now have they? It's my training. And I didn't accuse them of anything really, just throwing out a hypothetical question, like evolution.

And to keep that thought at the forefront, you really believe Goldman Saches is totally and exclusively at fault for making money? The governemnet had nothing to do with setting up the scenerio for them to fall into? They are, after all, in the business of making money through stock deals. I don't play the market myself, it a lot like gambling. I think the gov. dealt the cards and they played the hand. You accusing them of some underhanded deallings is sort of like what you accuse me of. Of course YOU may think that those high and mighty representatives have clean hands. I don't.

[The General]

You want "stirring?"....How about it's possibly the last patch that Ubisoft is going to authorize for this game, and the Devs want to make sure it works correctly because they won't be allowed to fix it if it doesn't.

its simple , one or more of the promised fixes is causing issues, my moneys on the single core fix.I have it on good authority that neither of these guesses is correct.

[robbo180265]

I have it on good authority that neither of these guesses is correct.

Care to elaborate?

[TDK1044]

I have it on good authority that neither of these guesses is correct.

Who said it was a guess?

[ReallyDedPoet]

You want "stirring?"....How about it's possibly the last patch that Ubisoft is going to authorize for this game, and the Devs want to make sure it works correctly because they won't be allowed to fix it if it doesn't.

Based on previous releases, meaning 3 & 4, I don't see that happening. Anyway, let them take their time with the patch, we don't need anymore rush jobs :dead::dead:

[pythos]

Here is a positive spin on this.

Perhaps they are seeing that despite the DRM, people are still loyal to the genre as well as the company. We all could have done fine with GWX for Sh3, aside from the dated graphics Sh3 with GWX is tops....still on my rig.

That being said, they want to be sure that this patch addresses the failed features of the release. I do not think this is the last patch.

Quit being so God darned negative.

They may have realized that the game is badly flawed, and now they are fighting those flaws. This is a good thing, even if it takes a few more months.

I think there is someone at UBI that has unrealistic views on the amount of time something takes to work on. I had someone like that at my aircraft shop. I would add a factor of 4 to any estimate, and I always came under. When this jagoff came into the picture he thought under quoting was smart. It wasn't. We lost customers...mostly the ones we gained when I was running things. People are HAPPY when the quote is HIGHER than the actual cost. DUH!!

Well people are happy when the time for a patch is shorter than the quote.

Or am I just nuts?

[AVGWarhawk]

What's a patch? :hmmm:

[gutted]

They ran out of bananas to feed the code monkeys.

[gutted]

I think its to ensure the quality. Imagine the frustrations if the patch caused new issues...

If it fixed more than it broke.. it would still be better than nothing.

[John Channing]

Sorry but I'm not niave enough to trust everyone, especially those I don't know. And they really haven't given us a chance to know them through the wruitten word, now have they? It's my training. And I didn't accuse them of anything really, just throwing out a hypothetical question, like evolution.



Judging by your registration date you have been around long enough to remember SH4, if not SH3. They were very communicative and responsive throughout both of those projects and came through with almost every comittment they made. That is enough for me to trust them this time.

As to Goldman Sachs that is better left to the General Topics forum, and I just can't be bothered.

And I didn't "accuse" you of anything. I purposely used the word "implying", which is exactly what you did. That you did it in a Fox News type of manner ("Some people say that you eat puppies Senator... what do you say to that") doesn't change the implication... it just gives you cover.

JCC

[raymond6751]

OK I have my stirring stick out.

If the all the games with mods are saved on the Ubi server why is the patch so long in coming? After all, most of the work has been done for them through the mods they have access to. Unless they're trying to re-write the mods to make it look like their original work.

Semper Fi works both ways. Though my Fi for Ubi is waning.

The patch isn't about the mods but about internal code issues. The internal code is something modders can't get at to change.

Anyone who does code knows that one change here can cause other changes in multiple places, causing more problems. I'd rather wait for a good fix.

[AVGWarhawk]

If it fixed more than it broke.. it would still be better than nothing.


Nah...lets get it right the first time. :up:

[doomlordis]

Single core work OK ! I am testing ! Wait patch in Europe.

So explosions and splashes etc do not run in slow motion with 1.2 ?

Cool! Great news

[Nisgeis]

As to Goldman Sachs that is better left to the General Topics forum, and I just can't be bothered.

That's why you can't beat the basic car analogy.

[The General]

Who said it was a guess?I happen to know the truth, before I did, I thought the same as you.

Care to elaborate?What specifically do you want to know?

They ran out of bananas to feed the code monkeys.:rotfl2:

[robbo180265]

I happen to know the truth, before I did, I thought the same as you.

What specifically do you want to know?



The truth - I.E. why (based on your inside information) the patch is taking so long?

[The General]

The truth - I.E. why (based on your inside information) the patch is taking so long?I'm sorry but I'm not at liberty to discuss that. Lemme just say that if you don't know how to Mod I recommend you learn, or make good friends with those who can, dark times are ahead.

[ERPP8]

It's better for them to take more time and have it be better

[robbo180265]

I'm sorry but I'm not at liberty to discuss that.

Then why bring it up at all?

[John Channing]

What specifically do you want to know?




I'm sorry but I'm not at liberty to discuss that





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WhuikFY1Pg

JCC

[robbo180265]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WhuikFY1Pg

JCC

:har::har::rotfl2::har:

[The General]

:har::har::rotfl2::har:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo

[609_Avatar]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5j2F4VcBmeo

Well I can handle it!!! ;)

[V.C. Sniper]

they r finishing up the 20% of the game that they haven't gotten the time to ship on launch date.

[gutted]

The problem with this delayed patch is that I.. and probably many others have completely lost interest in the game.

I've moved on to other things, and probably wont be back playing this again for quite some time.

[doomlordis]

1000% agree , I am getting annoyed and bored waiting.

[John Channing]

The essence of a good Sub Commander?









Patience.

JCC

[SteamWake]

If it fixed more than it broke.. it would still be better than nothing.

yea that would go over well :oops:

[SabreHawk]

The essence of a good Sub Commander?









Patience.

JCC

The voice of wisdom,............and reason speaks. And speaks well.

Come on fellas, dont tell me you haven't anything else to do.
And if you truly do not, well you dont want the answer to that.

[Dutch]

I'm sorry but I'm not at liberty to discuss that.

Not trying to make a personal knock against you or anything but it always pisses me off to see or hear someone so they have "inside" information on something but once they are asked to elaborate, which you know would happen once you spoke up, you say that your not at liberty to say.

It would be logical to assume then if you are not at liberty to say as far as elaborating then you are not at liberty to say that you even have knowledge one way or the other.

To me it is incredibly frustrating to see it done and have over time come to see it as nothing more than a false call of "authority" very much like how a Conspiracy Theorist's mind works. They have an inferiority complex so they compensate by raising themselves to a new level saying false things but claiming truth to sit themselves upon a highchair. After all in their mind they are the only ones who know the truth, the only ones with the answers.

End Rant. Again nothing personal but nobody enjoys being teased especially when your baited to.

[robbo180265]

The essence of a good Sub Commander?





JCC


I'm sorry but I'm not at liberty to discuss that.

[Rip]

I'm sorry but I'm not at liberty to discuss that.


I can neither confirm nor deny whether I am at liberty to discuss that.

[GoldenRivet]

I think its to ensure the quality


uhhhh what are you smokin'?

pass it this way:woot:

[tonschk]

To me it is incredibly frustrating to see it done and have over time come to see it as nothing more than a false call of "authority" very much like how a Conspiracy Theorist's mind works. They have an inferiority complex so they compensate by raising themselves to a new level saying false things but claiming truth to sit themselves upon a highchair. After all in their mind they are the only ones who know the truth, the only ones with the answers.

.

Sorry about this off topic but I cannot avoid answer this ......


On 911 The World Trade Center was controlled demolished disintegrated with plenty of explosives installed inside the whole buildings , therefore the 911 World Trade Center was a inside job , the explosions are self evident from the videos and photos


http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2407/123dt.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/123dt.jpg/)
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[Reaves]

Get that crap out of here. *&$( (#$(* #($()!@( @)(&$#


I'm not losing interest in the game yet, I have slowed down coming to check if the patch has been released yes but I still am quite anxious to start playing.

Which is my issue. I purchased day of release and have not been able to play it as it is simply not worth it. Graphics only go so far and I'd rather play other games than install the many mods needed.

All credit to the modders but their work shouldn't be needed for game fixes.

I can already purchase the game 50% off. UBI has let me down as a consumer and I am VERY angry.

Maybe EA can bring out a subsim so we can decide the lesser of two weavil... evils..

[PurpleCity]

Sorry but I'm not niave enough to trust everyone, especially those I don't know. And they really haven't given us a chance to know them through the wruitten word, now have they? It's my training. And I didn't accuse them of anything really, just throwing out a hypothetical question, like evolution.


Don't want to get off topic - but evolution is not a theory - it is a fact. The term "theory" in science means "accepted as fact", not to be confused with the term "theory" in mainstream language which means "hypothesized explanation".

There is no debate about evolution among scientists.

[BarjackU977]

Well, patience is a virtue.

But are you ready to wait forever? No, because that's not normal.
There is, somewhere, a balance between waiting patiently, and expecting a reasonable delivery time. This balance is not the same for everyone.

As for having other things to do, sure, everyone has. But then why bother buying the game in the first place, while we are at it?
Probably because people wanted to play and enjoy it? Certainly not because they wanted to do other things.



The essence of a good Sub Commander?
Patience.
The voice of wisdom,............and reason speaks. And speaks well.

Come on fellas, dont tell me you haven't anything else to do.
And if you truly do not, well you dont want the answer to that.

[BarjackU977]

Knowing what the delay is NOT about is already a small piece of information. It's more than just nothing.

Would be more interesting to know what it is about, true, but when you can't....

Then why bring it up at all?

[Westbroek]

This thread is rather insane. I'm playing Arma 2 until the patch is released, and it's done wonders for my computer play time. It'll get here when it gets here, what can ya do?

[IanC]

Sorry about this off topic but I cannot avoid answer this ......

On 911 The World Trade Center was controlled demolished disintegrated with plenty of explosives installed inside the whole buildings , therefore the 911 World Trade Center was a inside job , the explosions are self evident from the videos and photos



tonschk I have some more news for you, but keep it quiet... NASA never really walked on the moon, it was all filmed in hollywood! It was all actors man, actors! Also aliens are living in The White house and they've been advising the U.S. president since 1955, who do you think's been making all the big decisions man! The aliens that's who!
I also strongly believe that earth is not really round, it's flat. I'll post some pics of the flat earth to prove it, I have many.

[JU_88]

Sorry about this off topic but I cannot avoid answer this ......


On 911 The World Trade Center was controlled demolished disintegrated with plenty of explosives installed inside the whole buildings , therefore the 911 World Trade Center was a inside job , the explosions are self evident from the videos and photos


http://img228.imageshack.us/img228/2407/123dt.jpg (http://img228.imageshack.us/i/123dt.jpg/)
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Those grainy images prove nothing other than that 'the WTC collapsed'.
They dont prove it was cordite (consipricy) and they dont prove it was a pancake collapes (official) either.
This sort of thing belongs in the GT forums anyway.

[Westbroek]

tonschk I have some more news for you, but keep it quiet... NASA never really walked on the moon, it was all filmed in hollywood! It was all actors man, actors! Also aliens are living in The White house and they've been advising the U.S. president since 1955, who do you think's been making all the big decisions man! The aliens that's who!
I also strongly believe that earth is not really round, it's flat. I'll post some pics of the flat earth to prove it, I have many.

I KNEW it!!!
All the pieces finally fit into place...
Who was saying something about evolution? Hah! Yeah right!

[IanC]

I KNEW it!!!
All the pieces finally fit into place...
Who was saying something about evolution? Hah! Yeah right!

Exactly my friend! Here's proof that the Earth is flat.

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8086/img1a.jpg

[BarjackU977]

:haha:

Excellent! :up:

Exactly my friend! Here's proof that the Earth is flat.

http://img571.imageshack.us/img571/8086/img1a.jpg

[tonschk]

1188 Architectural and Engineering professionals think on 911 actually the World Trade Center was Controlled Demolished and Disintegrated with Explosives planted inside the WTC buildings , george bush with the help of the israeli Mossad planned orchestrated and executed on 911 the WTC controlled demolitions disintegrations explosions

http://cms.ae911truth.org/


.

[Rip]

Don't want to get off topic - but evolution is not a theory - it is a fact. The term "theory" in science means "accepted as fact", not to be confused with the term "theory" in mainstream language which means "hypothesized explanation".

There is no debate about evolution among scientists.

If your are going to correct someone do it with facts. Evolution as it applies to the human origins, isn't accepted as fact. Although nearly so.

You make it sound like this but it is not.

Scientific Law: This is a statement of fact meant to describe, in concise terms, an action or set of actions. It is generally accepted to be true and universal, and can sometimes be expressed in terms of a single mathematical equation. Scientific laws are similar to mathematical postulates. They don’t really need any complex external proofs; they are accepted at face value based upon the fact that they have always been observed to be true.

Specifically, scientific laws must be simple, true, universal, and absolute. They represent the cornerstone of scientific discovery, because if a law ever did not apply, then all science based upon that law would collapse.

Some scientific laws, or laws of nature, include the law of gravity, Newton's laws of motion, the laws of thermodynamics, Boyle's law of gases, the law of conservation of mass and energy, and Hook’s law of elasticity.

Of course what you are trying to argue against is that it belongs here.

Hypothesis: This is an educated guess based upon observation. It is a rational explanation of a single event or phenomenon based upon what is observed, but which has not been proved. Most hypotheses can be supported or refuted by experimentation or continued observation.

It is actually better defined by this.

Theory: A theory is more like a scientific law than a hypothesis. A theory is an explanation of a set of related observations or events based upon proven hypotheses and verified multiple times by detached groups of researchers. One scientist cannot create a theory; he can only create a hypothesis.

In general, both a scientific theory and a scientific law are accepted to be true by the scientific community as a whole. Both are used to make predictions of events. Both are used to advance technology.

In fact, some laws, such as the law of gravity, can also be theories when taken more generally. The law of gravity is expressed as a single mathematical expression and is presumed to be true all over the universe and all through time. Without such an assumption, we can do no science based on gravity's effects. But from the law, we derived the theory of gravity which describes how gravity works,what causes it, and how it behaves. We also use that to develop another theory, Einstein's General Theory of Relativity, in which gravity plays a crucial role. The basic law is intact, but the theory expands it to include various and complex situations involving space and time.

The biggest difference between a law and a theory is that a theory is much more complex and dynamic. A law describes a single action, whereas a theory explains an entire group of related phenomena.

An analogy can be made using a slingshot and an automobile.

A scientific law is like a slingshot. A slingshot has but one moving part--the rubber band. If you put a rock in it and draw it back, the rock will fly out at a predictable speed, depending upon the distance the band is drawn back.

An automobile has many moving parts, all working in unison to perform the chore of transporting someone from one point to another point. An automobile is a complex piece of machinery. Sometimes, improvements are made to one or more component parts. A new set of spark plugs that are composed of a better alloy that can withstand heat better, for example, might replace the existing set. But the function of the automobile as a whole remains unchanged.

A theory is like the automobile. Components of it can be changed or improved upon, without changing the overall truth of the theory as a whole.

Some scientific theories include the theory of evolution, the theory of relativity, the atomic theory, and the quantum theory. All of these theories are well documented and proved beyond reasonable doubt. Yet scientists continue to tinker with the component hypotheses of each theory in an attempt to make them more elegant and concise, or to make them more all-encompassing. Theories can be tweaked, but they are seldom, if ever, entirely replaced.

A theory is developed only through the scientific method, meaning it is the final result of a series of rigorous processes. Note that theories do not become laws. Scientific laws must exist prior to the start of using the scientific method because, as stated earlier, laws are the foundation for all science. Here is an oversimplified example of the development of a scientific theory:

Science class dismissed!
:know:

Rip

[severniae]

Hm, I came in here to discuss the upcoming patch......Did I hit a wrong button?:hmmm:

[Zedi]

1188 Architectural and Engineering professionals think ...

.

And who the **** are they and why I should care about them?

Man, I'm also bored waiting for the patch, but not that much :haha:

[Winders]

Whilst all of our replies are conjecture - I do believe and sincerely hope that UBI have decided to actually address the product issues with a decent patch.
After all SH5 and AC2 are the so called flag ship games of their new DRM system - and the DRM system is already taking too much flak - possibly in the case of SH5 because the game is so buggy.

What better way to help smooth the water (ahem) than to at least fix the game issues?

My 2 cents on the DRM - never had an issue with it and understand why such steps have to be taken....I believe we will see a lot more advanced DRM systems come our way in future games - but it will not go away.

What I would like to see is a 'fixed' game. I hope that is what UBI want to see too.

WM
OBD Software

[severniae]

Whilst all of our replies are conjecture - I do believe and sincerely hope that UBI have decided to actually address the product issues with a decent patch.
After all SH5 and AC2 are the so called flag ship games of their new DRM system - and the DRM system is already taking too much flak - possibly in the case of SH5 because the game is so buggy.

What better way to help smooth the water (ahem) than to at least fix the game issues?

My 2 cents on the DRM - never had an issue with it and understand why such steps have to be taken....I believe we will see a lot more advanced DRM systems come our way in future games - but it will not go away.

What I would like to see is a 'fixed' game. I hope that is what UBI want to see too.

WM
OBD Software

Regarding DRM - I was talking to one of the Directors of the company I work at the other day (we develop software for the telecomms industry) We make our users put a dongle in their servers to allow our software to run. Interestingly enough, he said that in an ideal world we'd have an 'always on internet' solution where the remote software polled our licence server to ensure that it hasn't been stolen. Funnily enough our customers object (surprise, eh?) but I can see the point. If a rogue employee of one of our customers is able to steal the dongle, reverse engineer it and find out how to produce copies (and to be fair, it would be fairly easy to do). Then they'd be able to distribute out software around the world, thus losing the company money. If the company I work for loses money, suddenly people start losing jobs - Thats all this DRM system is, its a company wanting to protect their interests, I don't agree with it personally, I think there are better solutions. But I'd much rather a DRM solution, than a job centre solution!

[Feuer Frei!]

It'll get here when it gets here, what can ya do?
Not much, apart from more speculation, hypotheticals and the usual "what ifs". Oh, and did i mention conjecture?

Hm, I came in here to discuss the upcoming patch......Did I hit a wrong button?:hmmm:
Could easily be mistaken for something other than the upcoming patch...

Whilst all of our replies are conjecture - I do believe and sincerely hope that UBI have decided to actually address the product issues with a decent patch.

Indeed, all conjecture...so what is there to do?
Hypothesize even more? Speculate some more? Pose more what-ifs?
I cannot wait until the patch is out.
Not only because it will improve gameplay and address issues, but it will lighten the load on this server, having to deal with the saturation of Speculatives and Hypotheticals of some thread contents.
To address the O.P.'s question directly:
"Why is the patch taking so long"?
Who knows. I don't know the answer to that.

[SeamanStaines]

if they're happy to alienate legitimate customers by enforcing always-connected-to-internet DRM, i'm not going to lose any sleep if they're out of work due to minimal sales.

dongle is fine, its portable. if it gets cracked, issue update to game + dongle firmware in next update/patch.

[severniae]

if they're happy to alienate legitimate customers by enforcing always-connected-to-internet DRM, i'm not going to lose any sleep if they're out of work due to minimal sales.

dongle is fine, its portable. if it gets cracked, issue update to game + dongle firmware in next update/patch.

You can't blame the devs for this. It won't have been their decision to create the DRM. Its like saying that you should lose your job because one of the execs in your company made a controversial decision!

Plus, you have to remember that the DRM to be honest was never about stopping people pirating the game, its about stopping second hand sales. They want all the money from each Ubi game sold, if its sold second hand they get nothing. While I'm completely against it, I can see where they're coming from! DRM won't ever be removed until the Ubi execs consider that SHV has reached the end of its shelf life, don't delude yourself into thinking that it will be removed at any other stage.

[SeamanStaines]

You can't blame the devs for this. It won't have been their decision to create the DRM. Its like saying that you should lose your job because one of the execs in your company made a controversial decision!

Plus, you have to remember that the DRM to be honest was never about stopping people pirating the game, its about stopping second hand sales. They want all the money from each Ubi game sold, if its sold second hand they get nothing. While I'm completely against it, I can see where they're coming from! DRM won't ever be removed until the Ubi execs consider that SHV has reached the end of its shelf life, don't delude yourself into thinking that it will be removed at any other stage.

who is blaming the devs?

where did i suggest it will be removed in the future?

[severniae]

who is blaming the devs?

where did i suggest it will be removed in the future?

Appologies SeamanStaines, my post wasn't entirely aimed at you. I'm just getting really fed up of seeing all these anti-drm posts everywhere. People don't like it, fine, we get it already, move on!

[TDK1044]

I'm sorry but I'm not at liberty to discuss that. Lemme just say that if you don't know how to Mod I recommend you learn, or make good friends with those who can, dark times are ahead.

That'll be less than one percent of the people who purchased the game then. Ubisoft's whole disastrous approach to this game was based on pleasing the casual gamer, not appealing to the tiny percentage of their end users who understand modding.

Just because either Dan, Mihai, or both are feeding you scraps of information, don't post here as if you have any knowledge of how this game will develop.

Ubisoft corporate makes that decision, not the Devs.

I believe that the Devs would have chosen to do a lot of things differently regarding this game, (I have that on very, very, very good authority :)) but they are not funding it, the Publisher is.

How many patches are offered will to some degree depend on how sales are going. A small patch team costs money, and if your game is not selling, patching it some more is not going to sell it more.

Time will tell with this game. Let's see where we are at the end of the year.

[robbo180265]

:o I go to work leaving a thread about patch delays.

Come back and there's a rehash of the nutty World Trade Center conspiracy (which IMO is an insult to every person who died in that atrocity BTW)

Talk of the DRM (get's shoe horned into nearly every thread - so no suprises there).

Why's the patch delayed?

[Dutch]

Sorry about this off topic but I cannot avoid answer this ......
On 911 The World Trade Center was controlled demolished disintegrated with plenty of explosives installed inside the whole buildings , therefore the 911 World Trade Center was a inside job , the explosions are self evident from the videos and photos

Alright, I was nice and calm and respectful, but now, now you ****ing Brit you went way the **** over the line.

For all the "facts" that you can site that September 11th was an inside job there are equal if not more fact (notice no quotations) that it was not. Thousands and I do mean thousands of demolition experts have been here since and looked over the area and found no trace of explosive. None at all.

But that is beside the point because you, you ****ing Brit (Not aimed at all Brits, most of you are wonderful people and good friends) all you did was prove my point that I made in my post. Your a ****ing nut, a wack job, that unfortunately we can not control by means that people "deem" inhuman.

You have just spit in the face of every single person that lost someone then. No I live in Texas, so it was "a long way away" but that doesn't matter to me. Every American, is a part of my family.

Mods I politely suggest that you lock this thread since the ****ing Brit decided to completely derail the entire conversation.

[rascal101]

I'm with you on this- It's dam sad - I went away for a day and now we got, Evolution, the World Trade Centre and the US govenment ganging up on Goldman Sachs or whatever their name is and now I discover the Israelis got together with George Bush to destroy the World Trade Centre -
I know trhe moderators want to defend the rights of folks to post, and I suppose we all have to defend the rights of people to say what they will but cant you guys have some respect and stay on topic - if you want to talk about that other stuff go find a forum where they care

:o I go to work leaving a thread about patch delays.

Come back and there's a rehash of the nutty World Trade Center conspiracy (which IMO is an insult to every person who died in that atrocity BTW)

Talk of the DRM (get's shoe horned into nearly every thread - so no suprises there).

Why's the patch delayed?

[Feuer Frei!]

:o I go to work leaving a thread about patch delays.

Come back and there's a rehash of the nutty World Trade Center conspiracy (which IMO is an insult to every person who died in that atrocity BTW)

Talk of the DRM (get's shoe horned into nearly every thread - so no suprises there).

Why's the patch delayed?
You shouldn't have gone to work :O:
That way you could have "policed" it.
Seriously, like you said, no surprises.
The days of actually addressing a thread title are far and few between. Or it soon turns into a thread within a thread.

[thorn69]

The patch is taking so long because UBI has not even begun to start making it. They've got your money already, so why would they rush to give you something for free? - even though it's desperately needed to fix this broken heap of trash they want to call a game.

[SabreHawk]

Well since it's alread went soooo way off topic anyway, I'll show what I been doing while waiting.
Getting some much missed sunshine, and flying my newest birds taking advantage of a break in our Seattle rains, and a break from SH.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b370/SabreHawk1/Stearman009.jpg

My Stearman basking in the sun after it'a maiden flight on Sunday.
http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b370/SabreHawk1/Stearman017.jpg

[The General]

Gorgeous planes :DL

What fuel do they run on and how long can they stay aloft for/how much fuel do they carry? What range from the Remote controller do they have and what happens if you go beyond that range?

[Dutch]

Well since it's alread went soooo way off topic anyway, I'll show what I been doing while waiting.
Getting some much missed sunshine, and flying my newest birds taking advantage of a break in our Seattle rains, and a break from SH.


My Stearman basking in the sun after it'a maiden flight on Sunday.


Hey now that looks like fun.

Tell me Sabre did those come pre built or did you have to assemble them? Either way I bet those things are a blast!

[John Channing]

In spite of the fact that this forum is not on my official beat I will make two requests since I happen to be here...

1) Let's get it back on topic please. If you have nothing to say on the topic, then say ... wait for it... nothing.

2) Please watch the language. Using asterisks or other clever ways of getting around the forum rules about swearing is not getting around them at all. It is a violation the same the same as if you didn't use them. I realize that some topics elicit a lot of passion but this is not the place for it. If you need to thrash OT things out out, take them to "General Topics"

Count yourselves lucky I got here before Tak, Webster or McBeck did. I'm just snarky and sarcastic. They are downright mean!

JCC

[SabreHawk]

They are all electric fellers, and yes they are a blast.
They are what we call ARF's (almost ready to fly) and are pretty much pre-built though they do require final assembly and one should have some building skills to complete that final assembly. And one also must install the elctronics and motor linkages and then all the adustments and such.

As for range, thats much further than you can see so no worries there.
Flight times range between 10-15min. depending on battery used, the maneuvers flown.
Sunday was a very great day here in Seattle, and you can bet we R/C flyers ate it up. We dont waste a good sunny day at the computer here.:cool:

Ok, back to sea.:O:
I pride myself as being a very patient man, and was taught this by my father growing up. He was the one who started me out building models and that also taught me patience.
And as JC said, patience is IMO one of the greatest traits a sub captain needs and should have. My feeling is they are just making damn sure it fixes as many things possible, that it works, and most important that it doesn't introduce any more bugs. And this will require exstensive testing, and that takes time. Especially if in that testing more bugs are found.
And it's my hope that they may even be giving us something we dont expect.

[robbo180265]

They are all electric fellers, and yes they are a blast.
They are what we call ARF's (almost ready to fly) and are pretty much pre-built though they do require final assembly and one should have some building skills to complete that final assembly. And one also must install the elctronics and motor linkages and then all the adustments and such.

As for range, thats much further than you can see so no worries there.
Sunday was a very great day here in Seattle, and you can bet we R/C flyers ate it up. We dont waste a good sunny day at the computer here.:cool:

Ok, back to sea.:O:
I pride myself as being a very patient man, and was taught this by my father growing up. He was the one who started me out building models and that also taught me patience.

Really,really nice planes matey :up:

[SabreHawk]

Thanks Robbo, and the others too you are all good mates at the end of the day.

And sorry JC, I just though something pretty might cool things a might.
But if the guys really do like them I'll post more down in general topics.
Havent been down there at all much anyway.:salute:

[TDK1044]

The irony here is that the only people who can accurately answer the question posed by the OP work for Ubisoft.

Dan or Mihai may have hinted to some via PM or e-mail, but that info would not be for public consumption.

The thread is therefore redundant and invites speculation and off topic posts.

I think JC was the fourth gunman on the grassy knoll. :)

[pythos]

The OP had a good question, however later in the thread just grabbed the wheel and hauled off in a direction having NOTHING to do with the thread.

My question is, following the lunacy of the thread with Uber Gruber, where in the heck are the mods concerning this mess?

The WTC stuff should be in general discussion, instead of being allowed to hijack a legitimate thread about the delay of the patch.

By the way, I have friends that worked at ground zero, and they have seen stuff that was very fishy, so don't discount "conspiracy theories"

There were colums designed to take the hit of a 707 that had diagonal cuts in them. Have a look at what that suggests. It is not good. Also watch the footage of building 7's collapse. That is really fishy. It crimps like building that are purposely demolished. No one seems to ask why 7 collapsed, but surrounding buildings did not.

And no I am not a conspiracy theorist, I am just not blind.

Mods, please move the WTC related stuff (including this one) to general discussion.

[Kapitanleutnant]

And implying that the Ubisoft Romania team is so ethically bankrupt that they would steal someone else's work and claim it as their own is really a cheap shot.

lol wut (http://torrentfreak.com/ubisofts-no-cd-answer-to-drm-080718/)

[lynx]

I do not understand! , the messages set out here do not have anything to do with the thread; scale model airplanes here?.
Speaking on the subject of the thread; I do not believe that we have new patch until the end of June, the workers of Ubisoft take it with tranquillity, :yawn:I hope to be mistaken:hmmm:

[Placoderm]

lol wut (http://torrentfreak.com/ubisofts-no-cd-answer-to-drm-080718/)

:har::har:

[IanC]

The OP had a good question, however later in the thread just grabbed the wheel and hauled off in a direction having NOTHING to do with the thread.

My question is, following the lunacy of the thread with Uber Gruber, where in the heck are the mods concerning this mess?

The WTC stuff should be in general discussion, instead of being allowed to hijack a legitimate thread about the delay of the patch.

By the way, I have friends that worked at ground zero, and they have seen stuff that was very fishy, so don't discount "conspiracy theories"

There were colums designed to take the hit of a 707 that had diagonal cuts in them. Have a look at what that suggests. It is not good. Also watch the footage of building 7's collapse. That is really fishy. It crimps like building that are purposely demolished. No one seems to ask why 7 collapsed, but surrounding buildings did not.

And no I am not a conspiracy theorist, I am just not blind.

Mods, please move the WTC related stuff (including this one) to general discussion.

Way to go buddy. Say how the WTC has nothing to do with the thread, then add your own crap about it. :yeah:

[severniae]

OK I have my stirring stick out.

If the all the games with mods are saved on the Ubi server why is the patch so long in coming? After all, most of the work has been done for them through the mods they have access to. Unless they're trying to re-write the mods to make it look like their original work.

Semper Fi works both ways. Though my Fi for Ubi is waning.

Right, well back on topic, without mentioning anything else!

I can't imagine the devs messing around with mods, their fixes will be at base code level, as opposed to the scripts. To be honest, I haven't the foggiest what the holdup is, but I'd love to know!

Sev.

[Takeda Shingen]

My question is, following the lunacy of the thread with Uber Gruber, where in the heck are the mods concerning this mess?

You want me to issue a ban for two off-topic posts?

[pythos]

I don't believe the word "ban" was in my post.

I suggested that the off topic posts be moved (including my own off topic part).

Ian C. Did you read how I ended my post? I admitted to what I had put in being off topic, but they thread is so far off of topic, I didn't think any more harm could be done.

What I put was not crap. It was off topic though.

[longam]

You want me to issue a ban for two off-topic posts?

Well I'll tell ya pilgrim, waha!

[krashkart]

I'd think that a long-awaited patch will probably yield a great deal more of the missing functionality. One could always hope anyway. :)

[Takeda Shingen]

I don't believe the word "ban" was in my post.

I suggested that the off topic posts be moved (including my own off topic part).

Yeah, but you invoked a thread where you complained about 'heavy-handed' moderator action. Clearly, you were looking for someone to drop a hammer here. Not going to happen. Let's be reasonable.

[Lord Justice]

4 para finally gets to sit, and ask for popcorn!!

[McBeck]

Lets get back on topic :shucks:

[edu]

Because, perhaps, nobody is working on it...

[Navarre]

The devs have to implement the new system which is described here:
http://games.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1630600&cid=31975686

To say, SH5 will be the first field beta test for this new system:har: