Destroying the biggest: typhoon class submarine

[Kapitan]

Found this on you tube its in 5 parts, its about breaking up the old soviet typhoon class submarines, (for those who dont know they are the largest submarines ever constructed) 28 years after they built them its time now to break them up and this is how they do it.

Enjoy

Part one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ThOlZhRPtU

Part two: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M24b-jtToXE&feature=related

Part three: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIuXY5IZhTU&feature=related

Part four: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZSWApdzyWZg&NR=1

Part five: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bXJ1y2b6rJw&NR=1

[CaptainHaplo]

Beautiful boats they were in my view....

[krashkart]

I've just watched the first clip and already learned more about the Typhoon than I ever had before. :har:

Cool post. :up:

[antikristuseke]

Was hoping for something a bit more informative and with less phony suspense, but meh, good find.

[Bubblehead Nuke]

Good Show.

Thank you for posting it. I really enjoyed it.

The only thing that annoyed me was the constant use of 'Dangerously radioactive'. I so hate fearmongering.

[Kapitan]

Good Show.

Thank you for posting it. I really enjoyed it.

The only thing that annoyed me was the constant use of 'Dangerously radioactive'. I so hate fearmongering.


yes that kinda peed me off too lol

[HunterICX]

Hate it when documentaries try to sound ''epic''

but furthermore this was a nice find, thanks for sharing :up:

HunterICX

[Oberon]

It's a shame to see them go. Come on Kap, I know you have sources in the Russian Navy, you could persuade one of them to...lose a Typhoon off Southend or something couldn't you? :hmmm:

[HunterICX]

Oberon, a typhoon ain't gonna fit in your bathtub :O:

HunterICX

[Schroeder]

Oberon, a typhoon ain't gonna fit in your bathtub :O:

HunterICX
As a Tommi he probably considers the channel his private bathtub. I guess a Typhoon would fit in there.:O:

[Jimbuna]

Quite informative....thanks for sharing :up:

[Oberon]

As a Tommi he probably considers the channel his private bathtub. I guess a Typhoon would fit in there.:O:

Der Kanal? The sail would keep sticking out of the water... :damn:

[Wolfehunter]

Oberon, a typhoon ain't gonna fit in your bathtub :O:

HunterICXNaw but we an fit into a typhoons big bathtub... I mean pool...:O:

[Kapitan]

It's a shame to see them go. Come on Kap, I know you have sources in the Russian Navy, you could persuade one of them to...lose a Typhoon off Southend or something couldn't you? :hmmm:

With all the sources i have, i dont think some how i could bribe the admiral that much to let a live nuclear SSBN just vanish, whats more with only £30 to my name at the moment and the phoon being worth what £30 million in scrap i dont think the kremlin would accept either.
The submarine not to mention is too large to fit in the thames (wieght restriction of 48,000ton) some facts on the video are wrong yes phoons are 48,000 ton not 23,000t probably 23,000t when gutted yes.

I think you will find also the one being cut up here was the TK 17 all the typhoons are out of service now :'( TK208 being the last one, which means now the TK17 has gone there remains only TK20 (Severstal who stared in mission invisible andother discovery documentary), and TK208 dmitri donskoy who tested the beluvas (TK208 is made redundant as of december 2009 but can still operate as a limited test bed she wont be scrapped till atleast the end of the year.

more surprising though a tankee akson is still serving that was launched in 1971 (modified yankee 1) and has out lived the phoon, it is a great shame but due to terms imposed on the latest nuclear reduction treatys means the typhoons had to go.

Due to salt II phoons SS-N-20 were restricted to 10 warheads a missile, even though they were built to carry 12 so 240 on one boat the same as an ohio just 4 missiles less (bear in mind SS-N-20 sturgeons are some 28 tons heavier than trident II D5 and are also alot larger).

In fairness the old will always have to bow to the new we knew they were getting old and by got they did look it yeah im sad they couldnt save one (where the heck would they put it anyway) but with the units aproaching 30 years old it is time to go, i know alot of the guys who will miss thier comforts and luxuries they dont get on other boats but well cant dwell on the past, im not a big fan of the boreys to me they have taken a step backwards not forwards and have produced a yankee back end with a hotel sail and charlie front so no guesses there.

So far the SSBN force remains 7 delta IV in northern fleet and 9 delta III pacific fleet 2 delta III to be paid off by 2011.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

In fairness the old will always have to bow to the new we knew they were getting old and by got they did look it yeah im sad they couldnt save one (where the heck would they put it anyway) but with the units aproaching 30 years old it is time to go, i know alot of the guys who will miss thier comforts and luxuries they dont get on other boats but well cant dwell on the past, im not a big fan of the boreys to me they have taken a step backwards not forwards and have produced a yankee back end with a hotel sail and charlie front so no guesses there.

So far the SSBN force remains 7 delta IV in northern fleet and 9 delta III pacific fleet 2 delta III to be paid off by 2011.

Quite frankly, if you ask me, they shouldn't have played around with Boreis and concentrated on finishing the Yasens. I understand the desire to maintain a nuclear deterrent but what's the point when the Bulava is still blowing up left, right and center... as a overall tool for Russia a Yasen is much more useful... they can start thinking about building Boreis when they at least get Bulava or some other rocket going right...

[Kapitan]

Agreed on that point, however when the deltas themselves are aproaching and now exceeding 30 year life span (some are older than the typhoons) it does mean they are more of a priority to replace, the last oscar II was down the ramp in 2004 K139 Belogorad and 10 of these oscar IIs remain active giving them a fleet of SSGN's that are less than 20 years old so not up for an immediate replacement.
Terms of SSN victors and sierras should have gone a fair while ago maybe use the funds to build a few more akulas or the new 885's.

A steady useful fleet for the russians in my view would be the following:

0 Aircraft carriers save money Russian navy is no longer a deep sea force able to fund or deploy a carrier let alone pay for the training for the pilots and deck crew.

0 cruisers get rid of the immencely costly kirovs i know national pride but puting one to sea costs a good $10 million a time, and the slavas while a good design are dated and there is no real use for them.

20 Destroyers Dont forget we have 4 fleets and a destroyer is good all rounder.

35 to 40 FFG of about the type 23 size would be good enough cost effective while still able to pack a punch

60 small craft include here about 15 mine warefare vessels, for coastal regions such as caspian sea and black sea.

45 submarines a mix of conventional and nuclear (attack submarines)

8 SSBN's as these are only home ported in the northern and pacific regions you can garentee 2 on station at any one time, using the same methord the british and french do with thier 4 boat fleets, so this would mean a pacific and norther boat out each time on a rotational basis.

I would also make cut backs theres alot of chiefs but yet not alot of indians 149,000 men serve in the navy to date you would cut that to around 105,000 by the time im finnished, provide the others with other jobs in other fields (you will be surprised who will employ a naval officer or rating in russia)

That would be my plan of action the savings made would go to fund other projects, such as health care education and also liveing conditions pensions i rekon you could save 25% of the defence buget there, and your still in the top 10 navies list.

[TLAM Strike]

Hay Kapitan, long time no see. What is your option of the new Sarov class submarines? Are they just a test bed or something more operationally useful?

[Oberon]

That sounds like a pretty sound plan Kap, the Russians have never really done well with carriers, too much time and effort was pushed into the submarine divisions post-war at the expense of the surface fleet, and with the polar ice to the north of them it makes sense to have something that can sneak under it and pop up wherever it needs to, and with the possibility of nuclear reduction taking place, Russia can afford to have a smaller SSBN fleet whilst maintaining its mobile launchers and the odd land based silo in Kamchatka.
Where the money today really is is multi-role SSKs, and Russia has a pretty good contender in the Amur, of course SSNs will always be needed for the ranges that SSKs can't get to, but for local problems, Black Sea and the like, the SSK fleet will do just fine.

[Oberon]

Hay Kapitan, long time no see. What is your option of the new Sarov class submarines? Are they just a test bed or something more operationally useful?

:hmmm::o
Dammit, another one that slipped past me! I used to be quite good at this game...

Nice looking boat, what the devil does one classify it as? SSKN? :doh:

[TLAM Strike]

:hmmm::o
Dammit, another one that slipped past me! I used to be quite good at this game...

Nice looking boat, what the devil does one classify it as? SSKN? :doh:

Obie my friend, Jack Ryan you are not. ;)

In LWAMI 3.10 we listed it as an SSAG. :ping:

[Morpheus]

28 years after they built them its time now to break them up...
Sad to see those unique giants of the ocean disappear ..., it reminds me once again that nothing is built to last forever :cry:

Interessting video though!

br morph

[Raptor1]

Strange design on the Sarov, would be interesting to know how quiet it's propulsion system in comparison to normal nuclear and diesel-electric submarines.

Is it capable of carrying weapons (For testing, I persume)? If not, I think it would classify more as an AGSS (Or maybe AGSSN?) better.

[Oberon]

Obie my friend, Jack Ryan you are not. ;)

In LWAMI 3.10 we listed it as an SSAG. :ping:

I must get back to DW...my 688i is calling for me again...

What's the latest and greatest on the mod scene?

[TLAM Strike]

I must get back to DW...my 688i is calling for me again...

What's the latest and greatest on the mod scene?

OneShot is packaging up LWAMI 3.10 in to an installer. It should be released very soon.

As I said in another thread the change log for 3.10 is 26 pages long. :03:

[Oberon]

:o I picked the right time to come back then! :up: Great work guys! :yeah:

[Noren]

wow, this particular typhoon had a quite deep swimming pool. Im impressed, I always thought recreational compartments were'nt a priority in the russian fleet.

[Kapitan]

wow, this particular typhoon had a quite deep swimming pool. Im impressed, I always thought recreational compartments were'nt a priority in the russian fleet.

You will be quite surprised, most Russian submarines do house good recreational facilities the oscar is also one with above normal privlages due to size, the akulas sport a sauna and rest area in compartment 7 even the old novembers had decent facilities, however the guys on the diesel boats dont fare so well.

as for project 20120 sarov she is a test bed submarine for all diffrent types of things, much like the albacore the testing of weapons, sonar and other sensors and also roumered to test staticly new designs for nuclear reactors, i dont know how true the last part is, it is very very shady.

[Kazuaki Shimazaki II]

0 Aircraft carriers save money Russian navy is no longer a deep sea force able to fund or deploy a carrier let alone pay for the training for the pilots and deck crew.

0 cruisers get rid of the immencely costly kirovs i know national pride but puting one to sea costs a good $10 million a time, and the slavas while a good design are dated and there is no real use for them.

20 Destroyers Dont forget we have 4 fleets and a destroyer is good all rounder.[/quote]

Actually, in the current didactic, navies that don't have money to build both a large surface fleet and carriers should probably just shoot for carriers, especially in Russian style aviation cruisers. Overall, the ratio in cost between large ships and small ships is declining because electronics and the like are becoming the equalizers. In the distant action, a AUG with a fighter-group of at least regimental strength even with minimal escorts will in comparison to a fleet made of your destroyers actually have offensive and defensive combat potential out to operational-tactical (perhaps even operational or operational-strategic) distances, rather than at best a offensive strike potential and a limited defensive tactical combat potential. Even in a defensive action close at shore, in many cases the aviation group will serve as well as the destroyers. Plus, the aviation force can be employed elsewhere in between deployments and carrier-specific training (not exactly ideal but when you are strapped for money there has to be a few compromises).

Just put a few frigates around as backup radar pickets or the like, and use subs and shipboard heloes for the ASW support mission.

[Kapitan]

Maybe a light carrier like a 35,000 tonnesort of size not to big but equally not small, air complement of about 40 air craft should do, the russians dont need to be offencive they need to be defencive now and save the money.

The current fleet including no major combattantes is as follows as of 2010 and according to janes:

1 Kuznetsov air craft carrier
4 Aligator LSD
12 Ropucha LSD
1 ivan rogov LPD (2 stricken although held in reserve)
4 zubr LCAC

2 Kirov BCGN (1 in overhaul due back in service 2011 1 spare parts ship)
3 Slava CG
1 Kara CG

8 Udaloy DDG (including 1 Udaloy II)
5 Sovremenny DDG
1 Kashin DDG
3 Krivak I FFG (to be decomissioned 2010)
1 Krivak II FFG (to be decomissioned 2010)
11 Krivak III FFG
3 Neuratshimmy FFG

1 Steregushchy FFL (3 building up to 20 planned)
23 Trantul FFL
8 Parchim FFL
20 Grisha IV FFL
13 Nanuchka III FFL

12 Natya MHCM
2 Gorya MHCM
23 Sonya MHCM

2 Bora HC (hover craft)
14 oilers auxilary
23 logistic support vessels auxilary

2 borey SSBN (up to 12 planned 2 more under construction)
1 Typhoon SSBN (test platform for buluva due for decom 2011)
7 Delta III SSBN
7 Delta IV SSBN ( K86 no longer SSBN now converted for spec ops role)

11 Oscar II SSGN

6 Victor III SSN
2 Sierra II SSN
12 Akulas SSN (13th nerpa on lease to india)
1 Yasen SSN(G)(due for commission 2011 upto 12 more planned)
1 Tango SSK
16 Kilo SSK
2 Lada SSK (up to 20 planned 4 under construction)
1 soyaz SSA(N) test submarine for research.

Under construction ordered or planned not mentioned:

Ivan gren LSD 5 planned
Mistral LPD 1 Being built 3 under construction or on order from france.
Un named aircraft carrier 4 planned with 2 more as option but unknown if will go ahead.


Total ships in active service with Russian Navy 267 Split between the fleets of :

Northern fleet, pacific fleet, black sea fleet, baltic fleet, caspian sea flotilla.

Russia currently ranks number 2nd largest navy with 267 vessels (compaired to americas 347 ships)

Full ship list (includes names and fleets is availible)

[Platapus]

A nice documentary. However, I agree with several of the other posters about the affected dramatic wording of the narration.

Was this really necessary? I would not imagine anyone would watch such a documentary for the excitement value (if anything had gone wrong it would have been in the news).

I would imagine the only audience would be people truly interested in learning more about the Typhoon and how it was constructed.

But I guess they thought they needed affected drama. :x

Well that's why Television is called a "Medium" for it is rarely "well done" :D

[TLAM Strike]

Well that's why Television is called a "Medium" for it is rarely "well done" :D
And to understand most of what on it you must be baked... :O: