GTX260 is worse then 8800GT

[goldwing]

Title says it all... I have been playing this game for over a month (only pc game i have) with my old 8800GT using medium settings but i wanted all the eye candy this game offers so i went out today and bought a new BFG Geforce GTX 260 OC with 896 GDDR3 plus a 650w ps thinking i was taking a big step up. Well what a waste of $300. Whats this game need to run perfect? Is there a way to see what my framerates are while playing? Thanks for any ideas anyone has before i try to return this card.

[Stronghold]

Title says it all... I have been playing this game for over a month (only pc game i have) with my old 8800GT using medium settings but i wanted all the eye candy this game offers so i went out today and bought a new BFG Geforce GTX 260 OC with 896 GDDR3 plus a 650w ps thinking i was taking a big step up. Well what a waste of $300. Whats this game need to run perfect? Is there a way to see what my framerates are while playing? Thanks for any ideas anyone has before i try to return this card.
I will try to answer you just to the first question, I don't know the correct answer for the second one. Unfortunately, it seems that one of this game problems (not mentioning now DRM and the critical bugs related strictly to gameplay) is the fact that the game graphical engine is not optimized in the best way possible, so probably even if you will have one NASA computer, you won't still be able to play this game like you can play for example Bioshock 2 with a good system available on the market today. I think it's not Nvidia's fault this time ...

[jazman]

... Is there a way to see what my framerates are while playing? ...

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[Task Force]

Yep, the game has some performance issues. its not your gpu. If you slapped a new 480 on it it would still probably lag.

[THE_MASK]

5870 seems to run ok . AAX4 AFX16 1920x1080 . All SH5 graphic settings set to max . All options ticked except vertical sync .

I have noticed that if i put the card in control panel to optimal settings , the picture will be better and i get around 35fps average . If i put the standard settings to high quality and then bump the aa up 4x and af up to 16x and leave the other settings then i get around 120 fps average .
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[F4ll3n]

I run SH 5 on my Duo 6850 4gigs ram with 8800GT as well maxed without AA and Shadows at 1440x900 with no magor pblem exept some mouse lag on interior no big deal.

There is no way I am going to upgrate my GT for this game when I run the majority of the latest games on max settings at DX9 without problems. GTX260 even if it stocked and not OC edition is a magor upgrate from a 8800GT. As Task Force and Stronghold wrote problem comes with game not with gfx cards.

[mcarlsonus]

New 1GB GTS250 - a lower end $150 model. Running HDMI into 32" 1080i monitor at 1280x720, 60MHz refresh (it's somewhere in there, anyway. Running 5:4 unwindowed as 16:9 doesn't work at all well!) No problems and only lag is in interior - which I rarely use (a nice novelty, but talking to the crew does nothing for the unmodded morale issue, so, why bother? Grows old...FAST!)

[JU_88]

I have a GTX275 and SHV flies on it with no major glitches. So i dont see why the 260 would specifically have issues.

[Drewcifer]

Its the fact its not optimized, I'm running a 5870 and with maxed settings or lowest settings the control room always stutters, and the mouse lags about. ANYWHERE else on the sub its smooth as you would imagine a monster gpu like the 5870 would run.

Edit: I would like to mention that with vsync off the game runs just fine on any settings High, Med, Low, Custom. So I'm inclined to think the vsync is the issue.. as the shadows make no difference on my system.

[Capt_Sluggo]

The prior posters are correct in that for whatever reasons, SH5 (and 4 too) are more GPU-demanding than other high-end graphics games.

Check the temperature - your card may be getting too hot. I have a fully water-cooled system and my 2-year-old 260 runs SH5 butter smooth at max settings, 1900x1080 (Samsung 37" :DL). That is, except for a little bit of hesitation mousing around in the control room which seems to afflict everyone regardless of GPU. Shadows on/off makes no difference in frame rates.

[reboot]

Its the fact its not optimized, I'm running a 5870 and with maxed settings or lowest settings the control room always stutters, and the mouse lags about. ANYWHERE else on the sub its smooth as you would imagine a monster gpu like the 5870 would run.

Edit: I would like to mention that with vsync off the game runs just fine on any settings High, Med, Low, Custom. So I'm inclined to think the vsync is the issue.. as the shadows make no difference on my system.

I have a 5770 and everything maxed, but have to turn off vsync as well.
Everything runs great. I upgraded from an 8800 GT, which ran the game ok, except for shadows. Maybe the patch will take care of some of these issues.

[Task Force]

Hmm, try setting the nvidia contorl panel choose the settings if your haveing issues with Nvidia, I knoticed a improvement with that.
game runs nice with a smaller resolution with everything on high on my 8800gts.

[goldwing]

Here are some details of my problem. I have been playing with this now for 24 hours. Pc specs are Intel Q6600 step, 4 gig ddr2@1066, 650w ps, Rez@1920x1080, Win7 64 . I have been using the second on the list of historical missions called "in site of everything" as my testing scene, using the first few minutes of the mission to look at my fps. As some as you know the first part has no shooting or explosions but has plenty of ship movement so alots going on:). After many hours of peaking my old 8800GT i was getting 32fps outside on bridge, main map i got 59fps, if i stepped down to the attack periscope i got mid 40's i believe (Both hatches closed). I told myself "not bad..playable.... but i want more". Hence the new GTX260...now comes the fun part... same setting/scene with only difference being the card swap i am getting at best 14fps outside on bridge, at attack periscope with hatches closed i get 14fps yet at main map (heres where i want to pull my hair out) i get 75fps. So 50% improvement at map and 50% loss everywhere else. Does that make any sence to anyone? Hell i was just looking for a 20-30% increase but nothing like this. Any ideas would be great :)

Game settings are set to high except shadows and uncheck v-sync and 3d clouds.

[Task Force]

hmm, strange, have you checked your drivers?

[goldwing]

hmm, strange, have you checked your drivers?

Yes i used 197.45 for both cards which are the latest.

[Nico09]

I have recently upgraded from 512mb 8800GT Overclocked to a 1GB GTs 250 and am puzzled by your performance or lack of it :hmmm:. Im using the same drivers as yourself but have no drop in gameplay. I am unsure of the FPS as until reading this thread I didn't know how to, although control room is very smooth with no lag. I am playing on 1280 x1024, with everything maxed, i'll have a proper look at the settings tommorrow and let you know :)

Playing on Intel Core Quad Q6600 @2.4Ghz
3GB RAM (unsure what type)
Vista 32bit SP 2
Nvidia 1GB GTS 250 Overclocked

p.s. Try dropping back your drivers to older versions, may help.

[F4ll3n]

Try reinstalling drivers if not roll back as Nico said. Make sure u remove em both from control panel and from windows safe mode b4 installing.

[Capt_Sluggo]

Windows 7 64 bit...

Anyone else on this thread running that OS?

[Task Force]

Yep, no real issues here.

[Stronghold]

Windows 7 64 bit...

Anyone else on this thread running that OS?
Me.

[goldwing]

Try reinstalling drivers if not roll back as Nico said. Make sure u remove em both from control panel and from windows safe mode b4 installing.

Safe mode?

[gutted]

I'm using a GTS250 (1GB) and no issues at all. Only thing i turned down was shadows to medium. Everything else maxed at 1680x1050


My System:
AMD Athlon 64 X2 4600+ (Dual Core) /w 2GB System Ram
OS: Windows XP

It's almost 2 years old now & getting long in the tooth.. but im still playing all the games out with high detail.


I had Windows7 on here briefly, but i got alot better performance in games with XP... so i promptly removed 7. Maybe after a few service packs and i build a new PC i'll give it another try.

[shamuboy1]

I'm using a 9800 GT Maxed out but shadows are in the middle with no lag at all. Average 40-50 FPS. Inside of the sub-20-30. You may want to try over clocking your card if you keep having a problem. And you spent 300 dollars on that? I found one at best buy for 104. It was less then the 9800 GT. Hmm, that's weird.

[gutted]

IIt was less then the 9800 GT. Hmm, that's weird.

The GTS250 is just a rebranded 9800GTX+.

Its virtually the same thing.

[goldwing]

Yes that was why i went from 8800gt to gtx260 over the gts250. Just trying to figure out why i have this problem. Just tried 3 latest drivers and even with all game settings low its not playable. I think i might have a bad card or something. This time i used driver sweeper in safe mode after uninstalling nvidia drivers in control panel. Could the gtx260 have a problem with a Asus Xonar hdav 1.3 that the 8800gt dont?

[dougandtoni]

Have you tried changing some settings on the card thru the nvidia control panel.Make sure you set up a profile for SH5.exe. Your AA or AF might be set to 16x. I have mine set on this.Mind you i am running 2 GTX 260s in SLIhttp://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2702/nvidiau.jpg

[dougandtoni]

Have you tried changing some settings on the card thru the nvidia control panel.Make sure you set up a profile for SH5.exe. Your AA or AF might be set to 16x. I have mine set on this. Mind you i am running 2 GTX 260s in SLI

http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/2702/nvidiau.jpg

[Nico09]

I have recently upgraded from 512mb 8800GT Overclocked to a 1GB GTs 250 and am puzzled by your performance or lack of it :hmmm:. Im using the same drivers as yourself but have no drop in gameplay. I am unsure of the FPS as until reading this thread I didn't know how to, although control room is very smooth with no lag. I am playing on 1280 x1024, with everything maxed, i'll have a proper look at the settings tommorrow and let you know :)

Playing on Intel Core Quad Q6600 @2.4Ghz
3GB RAM (unsure what type)
Vista 32bit SP 2
Nvidia 1GB GTS 250 Overclocked

p.s. Try dropping back your drivers to older versions, may help.

I have checked Game Graphic Settings, everything is ticked and all the bars are on Max, as i said on 1280x1024.

Card Settings are pretty much the same as dougandtoni

[F4ll3n]

Safe mode?


Yes you press F8 and choose Safe mode to load after u remove drivers on normal mode via panel. Now assuming u have Driver Sweeper remove any nvidia left drivers. Reboot on Normal mod and install the new ones. Never overwrite drivers by just installing em on top of others. But I ve seen u found the solution for correct driver installation urself :)

[goldwing]

Yes i have tried all different settings in control panel. Spent the last 2 days tryin all the combo's to no avail. Best i can get is 13fps using the first 3 minutes of the second historical mission called "in spite of everything" with me being on the bridge while i get 30+ with my 8800gt. Can a few of you check what fps you get at the start of that mission staying on the bridge so i can compare please? I am almost to the point of reformatting and starting from scatch and maybe even go to 32bit before i lose the rest of my hair :)

[goldwing]

OK i gave up and did a complete reformat and clean install this time i went with Win7 32bit. I even removed my Asus Xonar HDAV1.3 hdmi audio card before the new install just to be sure it wasnt my problem. Now i am using the hd mobo audio. No change at all i still get 13fps on bridge when at the beginning of that historical mission i was talking about earlier. This card must be junk. Either that or everyone has bad fps on that mission and wont tell me. LOL

BTW i also tested my 8800GT after the GTX260 after this clean install and same too. 33fps with it.

I am now completely bald :)

[mobucks]

i would completely uninstall the drivers, run driversweeper in safe mode, then reinstall

[goldwing]

i would completely uninstall the drivers, run driversweeper in safe mode, then reinstall


I have been doing that all day with no better results. I even did a complete reformat and clean install of the os.

[dougandtoni]

Run furmark on the card and post results http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/

[Nico09]

Is it possible to take the card back :hmmm:

[Kromus]

Yep, the game has some performance issues. its not your gpu. If you slapped a new 480 on it it would still probably lag.

This.

Running 280GTX 80+fps (vertical sync on, if off then slightly more) at open sea and inside sub, dropping to low 30 in harbours depending on how many ships/object are around. If large convoys are around at open sea (20-30 ships) drops to 40-60 fps.

[goldwing]

This.

Running 280GTX 80+fps (vertical sync on, if off then slightly more) at open sea and inside sub, dropping to low 30 in harbours depending on how many ships/object are around. If large convoys are around at open sea (20-30 ships) drops to 40-60 fps.

Can you do me a big favor and start the 2nd historical mission called "in spite of everything" and when it first starts your on the bridge with alot of ship movement and tell me your average fps for the first 3-4 minutes of that mission? I get 33 with my 8800gt and 13 with my gtx260.

Thanks

[Gato76]

Goldwing i think ur problem is the power supply,the minimum you need is 550 watts for that card.Do you have the two PS molex plugged in the card ? I'm running the same video card and i get 40 to 60 fps with max settings and do your self a favor,go back to 64 bit

[goldwing]

Goldwing i think ur problem is the power supply,the minimum you need is 550 watts for that card.Do you have the two PS molex plugged in the card ? I'm running the same video card and i get 40 to 60 fps with max settings and do your self a favor,go back to 64 bit

I know for a fact its not my ps. I have a high quality 650w that has plenty of power on the rail to spare. Yes i have both molex plugged in. I wish someone would check there fps on that 1 mission so i have something to compare it to. It would take all of 4 minutes to check. For all i know everyone has the same problem i do they just dont know it. I can go to another mission with not alot going on and i get alot higher fps which is why i am using that 1 mission as my bench test. I have narrowed my problem down to either a defect gtx260 or a game problem. I also tested another card and here are my findings on that 1 mission ONLY.
8800GT= 33 fps
GTX260= 13 fps
ATI 4850= 34 fps
all 3 were testing with clean OS and game installs so no driver issues both 32 and 64 bit on each.

thanks again

[Kromus]

Can you do me a big favor and start the 2nd historical mission called "in spite of everything" and when it first starts your on the bridge with alot of ship movement and tell me your average fps for the first 3-4 minutes of that mission? I get 33 with my 8800gt and 13 with my gtx260.

Thanks

No problem :)

On the bridge, vsync on (shadows off):

Looking straight, about 30-35 fps
Looking to the right pretty much same
Looking behind, up to 42-3 fps
Looking to the left, mid 30 fps

It all depends on objects that card is rendering at the moment.

But having only 13 fps with 260 thats definately something strange going on :hmmm:

My specs:
(3 years old machine, GTX280 2 years)
Q6600
4GB RAM
Win vista 64 bit Ultimate
Looking forward for the full machine upgrade at the end of the year.

[goldwing]

No problem :)

On the bridge, vsync on (shadows off):

Looking straight, about 30-35 fps
Looking to the right pretty much same
Looking behind, up to 42-3 fps
Looking to the left, mid 30 fps

It all depends on objects that card is rendering at the moment.

But having only 13 fps with 260 thats definately something strange going on :hmmm:

My specs:
(3 years old machine, GTX280 2 years)
Q6600
4GB RAM
Win vista 64 bit Ultimate
Looking forward for the full machine upgrade at the end of the year.


Thank you very much that is exactly the info i needed. That tells me my 8800GT was doing a good job from the get go. I assumed it was way to slow when i guess it wasnt. I also assumed that upgrading to a gtx260 would get me mid 40's. Still dont explain why the gtx260 is so bad though but at least i now know that trying to get 40-50fps on the bridge at the beginning of that mission is impossible (looking straight ahead anyway) no matter what your pc specs are.

[Icarus1]

Title says it all... I have been playing this game for over a month (only pc game i have) with my old 8800GT using medium settings but i wanted all the eye candy this game offers so i went out today and bought a new BFG Geforce GTX 260 OC with 896 GDDR3 plus a 650w ps thinking i was taking a big step up. Well what a waste of $300. Whats this game need to run perfect? Is there a way to see what my framerates are while playing? Thanks for any ideas anyone has before i try to return this card.

Remember a GTX 260 is nearly half a GTX295, I have 2 GTX 260 SLI which is almost as fast as a GTX295 (which is actually 2 x 260's). I get good frame rates with everything on high at 16x superssamp AA and 2560x1600 res. I can tell you for sure that the 8800's are not better than the 260's as I had 8800's before these cards. Sounds like the card you have might have an issue. Perhaps a bad memory module or something. It happens.

[goldwing]

Remember a GTX 260 is nearly half a GTX295, I have 2 GTX 260 SLI which is almost as fast as a GTX295 (which is actually 2 x 260's). I get good frame rates with everything on high at 16x superssamp AA and 2560x1600 res. I can tell you for sure that the 8800's are not better than the 260's as I had 8800's before these cards. Sounds like the card you have might have an issue. Perhaps a bad memory module or something. It happens.

I agree that the gtx260 must be defective, what else could it be? It works fine for playing blurays etc but not this game. Can you tell me what your fps are with the start of that mission using your 2 cards please? I am not going to spend more then i already have just to play 1 game that i will get bored with in 2 months...just not going to happen...i already spent 180 on the card, another 80 on a better ps plus another 100 on 2 more gigs of memory just for this 1 game, oh and the cost of the game itself. I am not a "gamer" at at.

[Kromus]

...at least i now know that trying to get 40-50fps on the bridge at the beginning of that mission is impossible (looking straight ahead anyway) no matter what your pc specs are.

I think it would be possible if we had better machines. 3 years old rig can`t do wonders, so I`m glad with performance I can still squeeze out of it.

[Icarus1]

I agree that the gtx260 must be defective, what else could it be? It works fine for playing blurays etc but not this game. Can you tell me what your fps are with the start of that mission using your 2 cards please? I am not going to spend more then i already have just to play 1 game that i will get bored with in 2 months...just not going to happen...i already spent 180 on the card, another 80 on a better ps plus another 100 on 2 more gigs of memory just for this 1 game, oh and the cost of the game itself. I am not a "gamer" at at.

I get 28-45 in FRAPS. If you use nHancer or Nvidia CP make sure AA is OFF and AF is OFF. Otherwise your system is processing AA in game and 16x via vid CP -double. Games like SH5 will choke on this.

[weeksatsea]

How about CPU ? This game is not so CPU intensive, but it's still a big big factor in performance usually.

I play Rise of flight mostly now , and the Windows 7 - dual core combination is terrible for performance.

BTW, the $300 wasn't a waste because you now have a good card for other games ! Good move.

[dougandtoni]

I will say it once again. Run furmark on the card and post results

http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/

[Icarus1]

I will say it once again. Run furmark on the card and post results

http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/

What do you use if you have 64bit?

[stoppro]

I had gtx 260 and went to 295.The 260 stuttered when using the deck gun. now with 295 it freezes. what the hell?my system is 1000 bfg psu-amd quad-xp64bit os. I did the driver cleaner install latest drives-older drivers nothing change except sometimes it crashes after freezing. back to 260-anyone want a 295 ? i cant get the sob to work.:damn:

[Spartan_X]

My CPU is a E6850 overclocked to 3.41Ghz and my GFX card is a GTX285 ... And all i can i say is that the frame rate is sluggish. Ive seen it dropping to 30fps at times. I can't understand it. I can play Crysis with everything maxed out, on 1920x1200 with 2x antialising, and still have a smooth framerate, and this game here runs slow. It is even more obvious inside the submarine pen. That's bad programming i guess.

[dougandtoni]

What do you use if you have 64bit?

Well Doh i am using Windows 7 64 Bit. Furmark runs as good as gold. 32 bit programes still run on a 64 bit system. I am running a e6400 core duo overclocked from 2.13GHZ to 3.00GHZ and two GTX 260s in sli.In furmark at 1680x1050 full screen i get a maximum of 180 fps. With SLI off a single 260 gets a max of 92. So if he is getting a lot less than that its a good indication that his card is stuffed

http://img88.imageshack.us/img88/5813/64bitg.jpg

[dougandtoni]

I will say it once again. Run furmark on the card and post results

http://www.ozone3d.net/benchmarks/fur/


Dooooo it:DL

[dougandtoni]

Dooooo it:DL


Just run the furmark test. :damn::damn::damn: