Glorious bitchslap of Apple

[Torvald Von Mansee]

http://ijustwanttofitin.com/technological-stockholm-syndrome/

[Schroeder]

How about a little explanation and a thread title that gives me some info on what I'll find in here? ;)

[Feuer Frei!]

Couldn't resist, after reading that!

http://static.funnyjunk.com/gifs/im_a_mac.gif

[krashkart]

Nice article. :up:

Anyone tired of having the iPad crammed down their throats yet?

[Weiss Pinguin]

http://static.funnyjunk.com/gifs/im_a_mac.gif
Holy crap :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

[Feuer Frei!]

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/190/499867192_5b8dea6a2a_o.gif

[frau kaleun]

Nice article. :up:

Anyone tired of having the iPad crammed down their throats yet?

Well, you've no one to blame but yourself. I told you that painting "Bite Me Fanboys" on your @$$ and mooning the crowd in front of the Apple store was a bad idea, but would you listen? :nope:

[krashkart]

Well, you've no one to blame but yourself. I told you that painting "Bite Me Fanboys" on your @$$ and mooning the crowd in front of the Apple store was a bad idea, but would you listen? :nope:

Did I? Jeez, maybe I better lay off the coffee. :hmmm:

[Torvald Von Mansee]

Hmmm...I think I need to clean up the title...I posted that from my phone, and didn't notice how it was screwed up

[Torvald Von Mansee]

It would seem I can't edit the title, which is what needs fixing.

[Chad]

Holy crap :rotfl2: :rotfl2: :rotfl2:

Epic picture! PC wins :up:

[UnderseaLcpl]

Why the Mac-hate?

I'm typing this on an iMac and it runs SH5 fairly well despite having only a 250MB graphics card and 1GB of RAM, and it does it under Vista.

True, my Mac is not easy to upgrade, and it's completely impossible to take apart, but it f'n works! Plus, it looks really cool. How many PC's have the tower built into the one-inch thick monitor? How many PC's allow you to restore everything when Vista inevitably suffers an irreversible motherboard fault? I've had to replace two PCs because of motherboard faults, but no matter how much Windows screws everything up, I can always recover using Time Machine.

I have only a basic understanding of software, and an even more rudimentary understanding of hardware, but I cannot disagree with the fact that Macs work. This machine does everything that my PCs failed to do, and it does it twice; once in Leopard, and again in Vista.

If you don't like Macs, that's fine. I could not care less. Take your technical complaints to Microsoft, and I'm sure they'll develop a system so superior that nobody will ever buy a Mac again. That's what monopolies do, right? Or perhaps they'll just try to quash Mac with marketing. It's anybody's guess, isn't it?

[Sailor Steve]

It would seem I can't edit the title, which is what needs fixing.
1. Go to 'Comments To Subsim Review'
2. Get on your knees
3. Beg a moderator to fix it, since only they can touch thread titles
4. Watch the magic juju happen
:D

[SteamWake]

I see the Ipad's make good cat toys :hmmm:

[NeonSamurai]

It would seem I can't edit the title, which is what needs fixing.

I can fix it, just write what you want the rename to be.


Why the Mac-hate?
Lots and lots of reasons. The mac attack adverts which are full of lies and bs is a good start.

I'm typing this on an iMac and it runs SH5 fairly well despite having only a 250MB graphics card and 1GB of RAM, and it does it under Vista.
So would any PC laptop with similar specs and for close to half the price of a iMac

True, my Mac is not easy to upgrade, and it's completely impossible to take apart, but it f'n works! Plus, it looks really cool. How many PC's have the tower built into the one-inch thick monitor?

I have to say I don't like the design of most macs (especially laptops), and I sure as heck would not want my pc in the monitor. Mac is all about gimmicks, marketing, lies, and overpricing everything they sell and gouging their customers in every conceivable way.


How many PC's allow you to restore everything when Vista inevitably suffers an irreversible motherboard fault? I've had to replace two PCs because of motherboard faults, but no matter how much Windows screws everything up, I can always recover using Time Machine.

Any PC with half decent backup software can do that. I can take my complete windows install on my laptop, and throw it on my server and have it running in 30 minutes, with games and everything. Just would need to change a few drivers. Also I seriously doubt that mac would recover from a switched motherboard from within the os unless the motherboard was identical to the first one, as that is something which can prevent the os from even starting at all.


I have only a basic understanding of software, and an even more rudimentary understanding of hardware, but I cannot disagree with the fact that Macs work. This machine does everything that my PCs failed to do, and it does it twice; once in Leopard, and again in Vista.

What exactly can your mac do that a pc can't? I can't think of a single example (other then maybe run os X, but mac can keep it as far as I care, besides there are ways of running os X on pc). They use the same hardware now, but that mac costs much more, isn't expandable or upgradable to any real degree, has a fixed life span where it will be obsoleted in a few years or less, and force you to upgrade. They are in fact much less secure than pc, just no one gives a damn about hacking them as they only represent 5% of computers. Macs are in no way superior to PCs if you really look at it, yet they are trying their damnedest to prove otherwise through blatant manipulative advertising.


If you don't like Macs, that's fine. I could not care less. Take your technical complaints to Microsoft, and I'm sure they'll develop a system so superior that nobody will ever buy a Mac again. That's what monopolies do, right? Or perhaps they'll just try to quash Mac with marketing. It's anybody's guess, isn't it?

Why when I have plenty I can level directly against Apple. As for marketing, Apple is the people who are marketing the hell out of everything, they may not have market-share majority in the computer industry, but they sure as heck have it in mp3 players, cellphones, etc. I think the number 2 reason why Macs and iCrap are so expensive is to pay for the massive amounts of advertising they do (number 1 is its from Apple, and you pay cause its from Apple).


Number 1 reason why I have a strong dislike of Apple, I do not like companies trying to manipulate me into buying junk I don't need and then obsoleting the thing so I have to buy it again. I don't like adverts that try to sell their product using the "cool" factor, and I especialy hate hypocrisy which Apple is full of.

[antikristuseke]

Being an avid overclocker macs might as well not exist.

[UnderseaLcpl]

Either you've had a very different experience with Macs or you know a lot more about computers than I do, NS. I assume the latter is the case, but I still love my Mac.


Any PC with half decent backup software can do that. I can take my complete windows install on my laptop, and throw it on my server and have it running in 30 minutes, with games and everything. Just would need to change a few drivers. Also I seriously doubt that mac would recover from a switched motherboard from within the os unless the motherboard was identical to the first one, as that is something which can prevent the os from even starting at all.


I honestly have no idea what you're on about. All I know is that I had two PCs that suffered catastrophic Windows failures followed by a complete system failure where the damn thing wouldn't even boot up correctly. In one case, the monitor wouldn't respond. I haven't had that problem with my Mac, and it has outlived both those PCs, so I'm sticking with Mac for the time being.

What exactly can your mac do that a pc can't?
Function reliably without constant adjustment. Never crash. Be easy to use. And most of all, not ask me for permission for stupid BS all the time and not do stupid BS without my approval all the time.

For a person like me a Mac is a good thing. I like the thing because it works. I have near-zero ability in understanding anything about computers. All I know is that this s*** works. I don't know how, and I don't know why, and I don't care. The Mac was expensive, yes, but much less than the cost of the two PCs it replaced.

Number 1 reason why I have a strong dislike of Apple, I do not like companies trying to manipulate me into buying junk I don't need and then obsoleting the thing so I have to buy it again. I don't like adverts that try to sell their product using the "cool" factor, and I especialy hate hypocrisy which Apple is full of.

If you think Apple is deserving of scorn for those reasons, I have about 200 other companies you can add to your list, just off the top of my head.

I figure I must be missing something because Microsoft obsoletes it's own junk all the time. Ever seen any games that will only run on a particular Windows OS? Ever seen a Windows OS that just plain sucks from the get-go and is then supposed to be fixed by a later one to the tune of a few hundred dollars? Have you ever bought an OS with "trial" software? I have, it was called Windows Me, Xp, Vista, and I hate the heck out of all of them. OS/X was the only thing that ever gave me comprehensive and lasting functionality.

Maybe your experience has been different, NS, but I'll never buy a PC again unless Mac suddenly stops selling me stuff that works.

[tater]

Pretty idiotic article.

A friend had Dell a long time ago, and he wanted to upgrade something, and there was some issue with some proprietary glop in the box (I always build my own PCs). I didn't go online and write some anti-Dell screed. Who would care enough to bother?

Someone at my wife's old office bought a bunch of celerons for them to use, and they were prebuilt from some computer store (compusa?). They were OK until anyone tried running MRI stuff on them. I could have built FAR better machines for less money. I didn't write a hate screed then, either.

Who cares except trolls?

Really?

Discussing a product, and problems is FINE. Writing these quasi-religious screeds against the computer infidels is absurd.

I think the iPad is pretty dumb—why have a device that big and STILL have to carry a phone? Should have a docked bluetooth headset, and work in tandem with an iPhone. Ie: you own both, then whichever you have with you is the "live" phone. Have them sync automatically, too. So you are running out to the coffee shop to read books on the iPad like a Kindle, and you push the "active" button, and your iPad is now your phone (with a sleek headset that just pops out of no where). For normal days, take the phone, making that "active." That might at least be sort of cool to have then. Oh, and video chat capability. iPad is crap right now, IMO.

Regardless, bothering to write a screed in general about Apple is like doing so for Microsoft. Silly, and pointless.

[Task Force]

I cant stand apple... I have a i-mac, and I se NO advantage in it, the only reason I ever use it is for reports, because I use this pc strictly for games/ movies. but at any time I could get the software to make this do what the apple does and more.

[Aramike]

New slogan:

Apple: We help your douchebag friends express their individuality.

(Not saying that all Apple-philes are douchebags, but I'm just sayin')

[tater]

Not really related, but how about a rant against those morons that put lights inside their computers?

It reminds me of my 6 year old daughter's taste in bikes, etc. It's pretty much no different that ribbons on a bike, or rainbows and unicorns, lol.

Actually, it just came to me. It's like low rider ghetto cars. Exactly.

[Task Force]

Not really related, but how about a rant against those morons that put lights inside their computers?

It reminds me of my 6 year old daughter's taste in bikes, etc. It's pretty much no different that ribbons on a bike, or rainbows and unicorns, lol.

Actually, it just came to me. It's like low rider ghetto cars. Exactly.

This is a apple thread, why would we start talking about people who put lights in there PC, its there PC, its there choice.

[tater]

This is a apple thread, why would we start talking about people who put lights in there PC, its there PC, its there choice.

Putting lights in their PC is indeed their choice—as is what brand PC, or how much they spend on it.

Putting ghetto lights in a PC is a juvenile design choice, yet I doubt we'll see any threads about how idiotic all lighted PC owners are, and how every single cent spent on that is not only wasted money, but actually does the exact opposite of what the desired goal is* for that extra cash (*apparently improving aesthetics).

So anyone paying extra for ugly is just as dumb as someone paying extra for attractive products then, right? (sure it's subjective, but graffiti and low-riders are pretty to some people, too—people with no taste.

These threads are exactly the same.

Being religious about hardware is silly. I hate the noise my PC makes, but I need it for some purposes (read: games), so I keep building new ones. I like the dead silence of the iMac and powerbook for surfing in rooms with other activities, so I put those there. Do I pay more? Yeah, I guess I do, but it's not making me miss any meals—also, since they need not be bleeding edge machines (web stuff, pictures, video editing), I keep these longer.

My PC was cheaper to build for more horsepower, but I update it at least twice as often as I replace one of these macs. Heck, we keep a laptop in the kitchen. Surfing, recipes, that sort of thing. Until last month the laptop was an original Mac Powerbook Titanium. A G4 from the summer of 2001—never shut down, BTW, and only restarted on system upgrades). So I made do with a quiet, 8.5 year old machine, the cost per year was pretty cheap, even if the initial investment was high. Again, different needs, different machines.

Maybe if I was constrained to only have one I'd care more.

[Task Force]

ok, first off, my pc has acouple of dark blue lights in it, and I think they go quite nice with the black case. But unlike some apple owners I dont go bragging about them. Ive seen quite afiew people with macs saying stuff about how great and secure there Mac is, but if im talking ot them and I say "I have a pc" they say something sarcastic about how pcs are stupid, and stupid... when the only reason there isnt as many viruses is because they only take up, what 6 to 8 percent of the PC market.

[Torvald Von Mansee]

I can fix it, just write what you want the rename to be.

Just remove the URL. Thanks!!

[UnderseaLcpl]

Not really related, but how about a rant against those morons that put lights inside their computers?

It reminds me of my 6 year old daughter's taste in bikes, etc. It's pretty much no different that ribbons on a bike, or rainbows and unicorns, lol.


I am so putting a unicorn on my iMac! Thanks for the idea, tater:yeah:

[antikristuseke]

I am so putting a unicorn on my iMac! Thanks for the idea, tater:yeah:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5im0Ssyyus

[NeonSamurai]

Either you've had a very different experience with Macs or you know a lot more about computers than I do, NS. I assume the latter is the case, but I still love my Mac.

If your happy with it then good, I just can't stand the company. Latter is the case, I am a former hardware/network tech, A+ certification, MCSE, etc (though not any more).

I honestly have no idea what you're on about. All I know is that I had two PCs that suffered catastrophic Windows failures followed by a complete system failure where the damn thing wouldn't even boot up correctly. In one case, the monitor wouldn't respond. I haven't had that problem with my Mac, and it has outlived both those PCs, so I'm sticking with Mac for the time being.

What I was talking about is the ability to take a fully installed setup from one computer (like say my vista partition or drive on my laptop), and copy it directly over to another, and have it work. Its a way of getting around the problem of getting the os working if you have to replace the motherboard on the computer (or if you want to batch install the same setup on multiple computers like say in an office environment). This is something every computer (mac or pc) will have problems with otherwise unless the board is absolutely identical to the last one. As for reliability, macs use the same parts pc uses (contrary to popular opinion they are not more reliable or higher quality, and have average failure rates equal to any other computer of reasonable quality). 2 boards failing is just bad luck or bad design (I had one board design that was like that) usually though they have a warrantee and fail early on.

Function reliably without constant adjustment. Never crash. Be easy to use. And most of all, not ask me for permission for stupid BS all the time and not do stupid BS without my approval all the time.

That is basically my computer. Operating system needs to be reinstalled every 6 months or so to keep it running smoothly, but that's because i install and uninstall a lot of crap on it. But with the backup system I use, it takes me all of 8 minutes to reinstall my "clean" install backup (os, all drivers, and main software i always need). The windows nag messages can be turned off in an instant very easily (type in UAC into windows help and support from the start menu and you can find out how). Plus mac has the exact same damn thing as UAC, though I forget what it is called right now.

As for the stupid BS, mac is like your house with all the doors and windows wide open with signs saying please come in and do what you want. Their security is almost non existent. If mac ever came close to gaining market share, god help the users. Hackers don't bother with macs as there is no challenge, and no point (hardly anyone uses them) there is very little malware for macs as why target 5-6% of the computer market when you can target most of it.

I will admit that aspects of the vista interface are not so good (some in fact piss me off). Though there is a lot about the mac interface I cannot stand too. As for not crashing, this guy has a lot to say on that subject. :03:

http://vodpod.com/watch/3325424-why-mac-sucks

For a person like me a Mac is a good thing. I like the thing because it works. I have near-zero ability in understanding anything about computers. All I know is that this s*** works. I don't know how, and I don't know why, and I don't care. The Mac was expensive, yes, but much less than the cost of the two PCs it replaced.

I hope for your sake the love affair lasts. Though I wouldn't put money on it. The PC's were just bad luck and could have happened just as easily with Apple computers too.


If you think Apple is deserving of scorn for those reasons, I have about 200 other companies you can add to your list, just off the top of my head.

Oh they are there too believe me. Apple just gets my ire more as their ads are so damn pervasive. That and the whole vibe the company and products give off really rub me the wrong way.

I figure I must be missing something because Microsoft obsoletes it's own junk all the time. Ever seen any games that will only run on a particular Windows OS? Ever seen a Windows OS that just plain sucks from the get-go and is then supposed to be fixed by a later one to the tune of a few hundred dollars? Have you ever bought an OS with "trial" software? I have, it was called Windows Me, Xp, Vista, and I hate the heck out of all of them. OS/X was the only thing that ever gave me comprehensive and lasting functionality.

They don't pull the same crap Apple does with their os. You don't get charged for each service pack, like you do for each revision of X. Windows products come usually with years to a decade of free updates and are never fully obsoleted (just support discontinued). They also don't exclude old hardware anywhere near as much, thus not forcing you to upgrade all the damn time. I could attack Apple for its iRubbish now but that has nothing to do with Microsoft.

As for your last comment, bundled software usually comes from the distributor not Microsoft directly. Windows has come historically with all the basics you need other then a high end business software suite, which office covers fairly nicely. Also Microsoft does fix its software with service packs, and doesn't charge for them, mac os X on the other hand charges for every single stupid little change no matter how minor, and regularly obsoletes even fairly recent hardware.

As for game obsoleted hardware, well that's the advance of technology, and is a problem that mac would have too, if it was a credible gaming platform. There has to be a cutoff point, and usually that is determined by the publishers (other then a few vista only games which was bs). But that has less to do with the OS. Besides, microsoft supported XP for an incredible period of time, many many times longer then any iteration of X. XP in the end is probably one of the best os's ever made and IMHO beats the pants off of anything Apple has put out.

Maybe your experience has been different, NS, but I'll never buy a PC again unless Mac suddenly stops selling me stuff that works.

Well we shall see when you have been with them for a while. I have been using pc's since I was about 10 years old or about 27 years now, going back to the granddaddy the PC-XT. I have had only one board fail in the entire time, and some other hardware here and there (power supply, video card, and a bunch of joysticks). I have also used most of the major iterations of Macs, going back to the Apple II, though I have in general not owned any. I have also serviced, built and worked on hundreds of PC's and macs (mostly pc's though, most offices hate macs other then graphic arts studios).

[UnderseaLcpl]

Well, you'd know better than me, NS. Thanks for taking the time to explain. I'm not about to run out and buy a PC, again because this thing works, but I may have to beg your advice when the time comes so I can make a more informed decision.

Also, if it helps, I don't buy any of that other iCrap. I don't need an iPod, and I don't want an iPhone, and I couldn't care less about iLife. I just want a computer that works well for a reasonable amount of time. Apple's marketing didn't influence my decision when I got rid my old Performa like, 12 years ago, and it didn't influence my decision to come back to Apple. It troubles me to know that someone with your qualifications disapproves of the company, but the "love affair"(not trying to be a smart-ass, just quoting) with Apple will last exactly as long as I am happy with them.

Apple just gets my ire more as their ads are so damn pervasive. That and the whole vibe the company and products give off really rub me the wrong way.
Unlike a lot of Mac users, I'm not involved in a brand war. This computational box-screen thingy is not a part of my personal image (though I wish I looked as sexy:DL), nor is any product. Microsoft pissed me off enough that I tell other people about the experience I had with their products, particularly the Xbox360, though I haven't mentioned it here. I'm happy with Mac for the time being so I tell people about my experience with it. That's all.

type in UAC into windows help and support from the start menu and you can find out how.

Oh, we've played the User Account Control game many times already. That thing.......rrrgh, the first thing I did was to find out what the hell it was and turn it off. It seems like the only thing that abomination is capable of is interrupting me with stupid questions. It asks me for permission to download updates from Microsoft. WTF?

I also spent quite a bit of time fracking around with the services control panel in an apparently vain attempt to make Vista not require such a tremendous amount of RAM. Sadly, since I'm an idiot, this probably contributed somewhat to the instability of my PCs. If it sounds stupid, I disable it. But why should I have to deal with it at all? I spend a lot of time, even today, visitng processlibrary just to find out what in the living f^%$ all these half-titled processes are. Why should I ever have to do that? The OS/X side of my computer doesn't make me do that. It just works, all the time, every time. More importantly, it works quickly. If it ever stops doing that, this piece of junk is going straight into the garbage and Apple can kiss my patronage goodbye. My customer loyalty only extends as far as my customer satisfaction.

Damn, now I'm repeating myself. Sorry, I do that sometimes I trust you get the point, though.

@antikristuseke - I had to :haha: when I saw that. I've actually seen the video many times before, but my roommate constantly torments me with references to the "Candy Mountain". My horse's name is Charlie, and I love him like a brother. I doubt there are many equestrians here, but if there are any, they'll know what I'm talking about. When we ride, it's almost like we are the same being. The slightest cue from either of us sends a very clear message to the other. Thusly, when she jokingly threatens to take him to the "Candy Mountain", I get a little perturbed.

[Wolfehunter]

I figure I must be missing something because Microsoft obsoletes it's own junk all the time. Ever seen any games that will only run on a particular Windows OS? Ever seen a Windows OS that just plain sucks from the get-go and is then supposed to be fixed by a later one to the tune of a few hundred dollars?
Any game made for DOS or windows will work on any win version. Its how you set it up and bypass the DRM for some of the games that have OS restrictions. Its not windows fault for this but the game companies.

[NeonSamurai]

Well there are DX 10 only games, but they could carry XP only so far. They are in it to make money and XP had one hell of a run.