Sedition...

[SteamWake]

Its a long held oft used tactic...

Cant deal with the message? Attack the messingers !

Time’s Klein: Beck, Palin Potentially Committing Sedition against U.S. Government; Heilemann Adds Limbaugh

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/jeff-poor/2010/04/18/time-s-klein-beck-palin-potentially-committing-sedition-against-u-s-gover#ixzz0lZ1leJPI

[VipertheSniper]

"And Joe's right and I'll name another person, I'll name Rush Limbaugh who uses this phrase constantly and talks about the Obama administration as a regime," Heilemann said. "That phrase which has connotations of tyranny. And what's so interesting about it to me, to get to Norah's point - what is the focus, what is the cause of this? You think back to 1994, there was Ruby Ridge. There was Waco. There were triggering incidents. There's been nothing like that. The only thing that's changed in the last 15 months is the election of Barack Obama. And as far as I can see, in terms of the policies that Obama has implemented, there's nothing."

not to mention that the Bush government was also called a regime, at least here, but I guess it wasn't that different in the US.

[GoldenRivet]

Sedition?

How about Treason?!

The United States Congress is the most Treasonous bunch of bastards this country has seen in a long time.

:stare:

[nikimcbee]

I thought it was patriotic to protest your gubmint? Opps, wrong admin.:oops:


I think this is how it works:
http://www.forumeter.com/video/187266/I-Am-Sick-And-Tired-Hillary-Clinton

[nikimcbee]

So does that mean we can try all the people that wanted to assasinate W then? That would sure thin hollywood's rank.:haha:

[conus00]

The United States Congress is the most Treasonous bunch of bastards this country has seen in a long time.
:stare:

:yeah:

[mookiemookie]

I thought it was patriotic to protest your gubmint? Opps, wrong admin.:oops:

Protesting is one thing. Advocating armed overthrow of a democratically elected government is sedition.

[SteamWake]

An 'armed overthrow' ? WTF :haha:

[GoldenRivet]

The question one has to ask.

At what point does "Sedition" become a patriotic defense of one's nation?

after all... experience hath shown that mankind is more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

Right?

The United States Congress exists to represent the will of the people - not the other way around.

It is THEY who have committed acts of treason and sedition against this nation.

It is WE the people who are in charge of THEM

they have forgotten this...

and when ANY form of government becomes destructive to these ends it is the right OF THE PEOPLE TO ALTER OR ABOLISH IT

did you pay ANY attention in elementary school?! :doh:

what one man might call sedition - another man might call a patriotic duty.

Were not the signers of the declaration of independence guilty of "sedition" or "Treason"?

If such a document were in circulation today to rid ourselves of ALL of these fools in Washington DC... I would pledge my life, my fortune and my sacred duty and sign the Gadamned thing without hesitation.

[conus00]

^I usually don't get involved in political discussions on subsim (or anywhere else for that matter) but you NAILED it.

I'm also tired of this government and their policy of "rich ruling while the poor masses can f--- off".

THERE WOULD BE NO US GOVERNMENT WITHOUT ITS CITIZENS.

[mookiemookie]

The question one has to ask.

At what point does "Sedition" become a patriotic defense of one's nation?

after all... experience hath shown that mankind is more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.

Right?

The United States Congress exists to represent the will of the people - not the other way around.

It is THEY who have committed acts of treason and sedition against this nation.

It is WE the people who are in charge of THEM

they have forgotten this...

and when ANY form of government becomes destructive to these ends it is the right OF THE PEOPLE TO ALTER OR ABOLISH IT

did you pay ANY attention in elementary school?! :doh:

what one man might call sedition - another man might call a patriotic duty.

Were not the signers of the declaration of independence guilty of "sedition" or "Treason"?

If such a document were in circulation today to rid ourselves of ALL of these fools in Washington DC... I would pledge my life, my fortune and my sacred duty and sign the Gadamned thing without hesitation.

You have a vote. We run elections. Use it! If you don't like the people in congress, vote them out! You don't get to talk sedition because your guy lost the race.

[GoldenRivet]

You have a vote. We run elections. Use it! If you don't like the people in congress, vote them out!

So... yeah, didnt i already cover that? (http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showpost.php?p=1365031&postcount=6)

You don't get to talk sedition because your guy lost the race.

I dont remember the last time I had anyone in a political race wherein i felt like they were "my guy"

mookie, perhaps you could tell me who "my guy" was in the last run?

cause i sure as hell couldnt tell you:doh:

[SteamWake]

I dont think just about anybody got the guy in office they voted for ;)

[Sailor Steve]

I thought it was patriotic to protest your gubmint? Opps, wrong admin.:oops:


I think this is how it works:
http://www.forumeter.com/video/187266/I-Am-Sick-And-Tired-Hillary-Clinton
Screeching aside, I agree with her.

[Tribesman]

If such a document were in circulation today to rid ourselves of ALL of these fools in Washington DC...
.....you would just end up with another bunch of fools in their place.

[Sailor Steve]

.....you would just end up with another bunch of fools in their place.
Verifiably true, as this has been going on for as long as there have been governments.

Yuri: "Comrade, what is difference between Communism and Captitalism?"

Viktor: "I don't know, comrade. What is difference between Communism and Captitalism?"

Yuri: "With Captitalism, man exploits his fellow man for his own evil purposes. With Communism, is other way around!"

[Platapus]

Sedition?

How about Treason?!

The United States Congress is the most Treasonous bunch of bastards this country has seen in a long time.

:stare:

If you have proof of this, I am sure the Attorney General would like to hear about it.

[SteamWake]

If you have proof of this, I am sure the Attorney General would like to hear about it.

Actually probably not. ;)

[Lord Justice]

.....you would just end up with another bunch of fools in their place.Which my good fellow, we may not by any means hope to endure. :hmmm: good day.

[GoldenRivet]

If you have proof of this, I am sure the Attorney General would like to hear about it.

Well i'll just put it this way... if the following list of infractions dont qualify as Treason against the American People... they should

Our government has done nothing but give industry incentives to to business anywhere BUT America for starters.

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The United States Congress has failed to enact laws which protect and uphold the sovereignty of our great nation further failing to ensure the enforcement of such laws.


The United States Congress has fallen in line with corporate lobbyists, protecting not the interests of the free citizens of these United States, but instead protecting the corporate interests of those private enterprises of business.


The United States Congress has divided itself into a irreparable rift of “left” versus “right” which serves only to split the masses, sending our system of federal legislature into a mentality of complete and total halt of effective governing.


The United States Congress has repeatedly voted itself raises, given itself the best health care, created for itself a decadent and lavish retirement plan while only increasing the tax burden of the American Citizen.


The United States Congress has failed to operate in the good faith of bipartisanship on the smallest of governmental issues.


The United States Congress has split itself into closed doors meetings, inaccessible to the American Citizenry.


The United States Congress has repeatedly passed massive, and unsustainable spending bills which the American economy, no matter how strong, could never hope to sustain in any sense of reality.


The United States Congress has passed bills directly affecting the lifestyle, the freedoms, the happiness, and the liberties of the American Citizenry without the voting representatives being fully familiar with the contents of such bills themselves.


The United States Congress has ignored repeated insistence by the people that our borders be secured and our sovereignty be upheld.


The United States Congress has repeatedly authorized the export of industries vital to the United States of America to foreign shores.


The United States Congress has illegally used treasury funds to bail out failed and corrupted private industries and businesses.


The United States Congress has levied taxes against the American Citizenry while failing to represent our interests through the complete and thorough examination of pieces of legislature before them.


The United States Congress has entrusted oil and fuel production vital to our national security to nations outside of our borders, some of which are openly hostile towards us through subversion and acts of war.

[Platapus]

In other words you have a different opinion on what the government does/should do.

Did I summarize that up correctly? :)

[Platapus]

Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 115 Section 2381

Treason

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States, levies war against them or adheres to their enemies, giving them aid and comfort within the United States or elsewhere, is guilty of treason and shall suffer death, or shall be imprisoned not less than five years and fined under this title but not less than $10,000; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

If you really feel that Congress has committed acts of treason, you have to report it other wise be guilty of Misprision of Treason

Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 115 Section 2382

Whoever, owing allegiance to the United States and having knowledge of the commission of any treason against them, conceals and does not, as soon as may be, disclose and make known the same to the President or to some judge of the United States, or to the governor or to some judge or justice of a particular State, is guilty of misprision of treason and shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than seven years, or both.

I don't think it is a good thing to be accusing members of our government of Treason, unless you really understand what Treason is.

Treason is not just having a different opinion than you.

But if you feel you have proof of Treason, you now know what you have to do. :yep:

[razark]

Title 18 Part 1 Chapter 115 Section 2381


Who needs laws for that? Treason is defined in the Constitution.

Section 3. Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort. No Person shall be convicted of Treason unless on the Testimony of two Witnesses to the same overt Act, or on Confession in open Court. The Congress shall have power to declare the Punishment of Treason, but no Attainder of Treason shall work Corruption of Blood, or Forfeiture except during the Life of the Person attainted.

[August]

Where was Joe Klein when the Hillary said:

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration."

I guess it's only sedition if it's uttered by non Democrats...

[SteamWake]

Where was Joe Klein when the Hillary said:

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration."

I guess it's only sedition if it's uttered by non Democrats...

It's the tone of voice I guess (cringing).

[mookiemookie]

Where was Joe Klein when the Hillary said:

"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic. We should stand up and say we are Americans and we have a right to debate and disagree with any administration."

I guess it's only sedition if it's uttered by non Democrats...

Look at what the left was crying for... impeachment of GWB for war crimes. THAT is patriotism. Operating within the legal boundaries of the government that we have set up for ourselves. Now contrast that with the teabaggers "We came unarmed this time" sort of thing. Do you see the difference? One operates within the legal and constitutional boundaries of our government, the other wants to overthrow it.

[GoldenRivet]

Platapus,

Opinions have nothing to do with it.

The United States Congress has unequivocally run virtually every industry OUT of the United States of America. Where did they send these industries?

China and the middle eastern nations primarily.

Two areas of the world which...

a. contain the largest amount of Anti-American sentiment known to mankind.

b. One of which produces the largest number of terrorist individuals ANYWHERE

If the federal government whored out your job, your living, your industry your way of life to a nation whose citizens frequently commit open acts of war against your nation... would that not be aiding and comforting an enemy of the United States?

take our jobs away and give them to the people who are tying to kill us... smart!

EDIT:

Congress is being treasonous against the citizens of these states by furthering our burdens, and taxing us without honest representation by either party

[August]

Look at what the left was crying for... impeachment of GWB for war crimes. THAT is patriotism. Operating within the legal boundaries of the government that we have set up for ourselves. Now contrast that with the teabaggers "We came unarmed this time" sort of thing. Do you see the difference? One operates within the legal and constitutional boundaries of our government, the other wants to overthrow it.

The left was crying for the installation of a leftist government and was willing to do or say anything to achieve it.

And as long as you call them "Teabaggers" then I get to call you a dirty Commie. Fair enough?

[GoldenRivet]

August,

it is clear mookie has a blind allegiance to the messiah.

Once i had a blind allegiance to Bush - but i quickly grew out of that and realized my foolish ways about 1/4 of the way through his second term.

Hopefully Mookie and the rest of the followers can figure this out much sooner on their own than i did.

You see... his kind has no respect for the right... and views us as warring clans or warring rivals.

"we the right" will always be held in his eyes as the lowest form of life on earth- a life form which must work to give many of his friends their free ride.

what he fails to understand - many of the TEA party members are dissatisfied with both halves of the isle :shifty:

[Tribesman]

Once i had a blind allegiance to Bush - but i quickly grew out of that and realized my foolish ways about 1/4 of the way through his second term.

Wow, it took you about 5 years after his election to the highest office to realise Bush was a pillock.
Didn't the fact that he was a politician give you some sort of clue?

You see... his kind has no respect for the right... and views us as warring clans or warring rivals.

Its true about the warring clans, many people view the teabaggers as some sort of semi modern version of the Hatfields or McCoys

[mookiemookie]

And as long as you call them "Teabaggers" then I get to call you a dirty Commie. Fair enough? I'm a liberal in Texas. I've been called worse. ;)

[SteamWake]

Sooo yea hey.. how about that whole silence the messenger thing. :doh:

[Sailor Steve]

I'm a liberal in Texas. I've been called worse. ;)
I think August is way off base on this one. I know for a fact you're a very clean commie!:D

[Tribesman]

how about that whole silence the messenger thing.
You mean the non exisitant thing?
I know it went over your head from the beginning as you started the topic, but it isn't a silence the messenger and ignore the message thing at all.
Its a look at what the idiots are actually saying thing.

[Platapus]

Congress is being treasonous against the citizens of these states by furthering our burdens, and taxing us without honest representation by either party


Then if this is not just your opinion, and you have proof, then you know what you need to do... and bitchin on a video game forum ain't it. :)

[Platapus]

I'm a liberal in Texas. I've been called worse. ;)


Living in texas, I am sure you have. :D

[mookiemookie]

Sooo yea hey.. how about that whole silence the messenger thing. :doh:

You mean the thing that you can offer absolutely no evidence of any liberal doing? And you know why? It's because we wouldn't say that. What we are saying is that you're screaming and huffing and puffing about things that are complete fantasies.

Obama hasn't done anything about repealing don't ask, don't tell in the military. He's taken fire from gay rights activists for this. That's something that you don't sound like a complete loon when you scream about. But contrast this with the town hall screamers last summer were getting red-faced and sputtering spittle about at their members of Congress over "death panels,"...an institution that existed only in their heads. Now, was anyone dragged out of a town hall meeting because they insisted on repeating a lie and getting an answer about it? No, they weren't. Do Glenn Beck and Palin get lots of airtime (and make megabucks) spouting their idiocy? Sure do.

Speak on, teabaggers, and keep parroting the lines of your puppetmasters. You sound like idiots doing it, but don't mistake someone telling you that you sound like an idiot for someone telling you that you have no right to speak.

[CaptainHaplo]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2010/feb/03/dont-ask-dont-tell

Obama was the one that brought the issue up - and made it an issue by making it a plank of his campaign. Without that - the issue would not be under review.

[mookiemookie]

http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/michaeltomasky/2010/feb/03/dont-ask-dont-tell

Obama was the one that brought the issue up - and made it an issue by making it a plank of his campaign. Without that - the issue would not be under review.

Indeed. It's a very legit criticism.

[tater]

Regarding "death panels," while it is clearly not there explicitly in the text, much of what was passed in the new law is non-existent in the text. Much is to be decided later. In providing for as of yet unnamed regulators who can change policy WRT coding (in effect a national formulary), it is entirely possible. Why? Rationing care is the ONLY path to reducing cost—a stated aim of "health care reform" by the PResident was to "bend the cost curve down." End of life care is 80-95% of lifetime medical costs overall.

Failure to curtail such care is a failure to address the vast majority of cost. As a reality check, insurance company profits (demonized by the democrats) are 1-2% of total US medical costs (and ~90% of THAT 1-2% is for end of life care).

If the democrats claim their bill will reduce costs in any significant way, they MUST be talking about rationing end of life care since there is no other room for cost reduction except tort reform (maybe as high as 20-something % could be reduced in this way—again, with ~90% as end of life care, still).

So while I agree in terms of specific language, I do think it's implied assuming you take a Democrat at his word that cost reduction is a goal. If they are all lying to our faces, then you are right.

tater

PS—one thing I just remembered about the tea party I drove by last year—there were LOADS of signs blaming Bush, or blaming Bush AND Obama policies. Maybe not a majority, but a very significant percentage. I'd wager that the number of anti-bush posters in all the tea parties is vastly larger than the number of racist posters. Course I bet a bunch of "truther" idiots were there (plenty at ant-war protests, too).