Sub on sub combat?

[naval_noob]

Anyone had it? While on patrol yesterday ran into two enemy subs....they wouldn't engage.

[kylania]

I've never seen an enemy sub yet, but others have and even sunk them (http://forums.ubi.com/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/1121062387/m/3261039258). :)

[msxyz]

Yes, there is one type of british sub in SH5. Some people report that they don't get the credit or tonnage for the sinking, though.

Once the sub will spot you, it will dive to escape, so it won't try to enter a fight.

[Nico09]

Iv'e found a Brit sub and sank it, I had to be pretty quick with the deck gun before she slips below the waves :D. And no i didnt get the credit it for it :damn:

[captainprid]

Iv'e found a Brit sub and sank it, I had to be pretty quick with the deck gun before she slips below the waves :D. And no i didnt get the credit it for it :damn:


Ditto

[Ablemaster]

The good thing here is that they dive, in previous versions this wasnt possible, so lots of possibilitys here. Hopefuly in the future the credit side of things will be fixed and a good sub on sub confrontation will be possible. The future looks bright here in this department. Ive yet to see one in game, but not much point in attacking if you cant get the credit for your efforts, but sure this will be fixed, also the strange crash when an enemy sub is in the area and you click on the sonar station, this needs sorting asap.

[Keef Kavannah]

what's compelling, you can't use torp under a determinate sea level, even if you manage to follow them thanks to the sonar (as i did)


what was the average max deep for a ww2 torp?

[captainprid]

Here are a couple of interesting links about torpedos.

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostsub/torpworks.html


http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/lostsub/torpfire.html

[Watson]

@ Ablemaster
The good thing here is that they dive, in previous versions this wasnt possible, so lots of possibilitys here. Hopefuly in the future the credit side of things will be fixed and a good sub on sub confrontation will be possible. The future looks bright here in this department. Ive yet to see one in game, but not much point in attacking if you cant get the credit for your efforts, but sure this will be fixed, also the strange crash when an enemy sub is in the area and you click on the sonar station, this needs sorting asap.
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Good point, yes they are improved from previous versions, but need a lot more work, hopefully will be better in future. Also had the CTD from sonar station before.

[msxyz]

what's compelling, you can't use torp under a determinate sea level, even if you manage to follow them thanks to the sonar (as i did)


what was the average max deep for a ww2 torp?

As it should. On a type VII you couldn't launch a torpedo below 30m. Launch tube was pneumatically operated, thus below a certain depth the external pressure created too much resistance to effectively accelerate the torpedo out of the tube at the required speed.

On type XXI a 'modern' hydraulic launch system was tried instead, allowing torpedoes to be launched at any depth (the limiting factor wasn't the sub equipment anymore but the torpedo own ability to withstand the outside pressure)

[Keef Kavannah]

As it should. On a type VII you couldn't launch a torpedo below 30m. Launch tube was pneumatically operated, thus below a certain depth the external pressure created too much resistance to effectively accelerate the torpedo out of the tube at the required speed.

On type XXI a 'modern' hydraulic launch system was tried instead, allowing torpedoes to be launched at any depth (the limiting factor wasn't the sub equipment anymore but the torpedo own ability to withstand the outside pressure)

that's waht i'm talking about. i seem to recall i was under 40mtrs. and no chance to set torp impact under 9mtrs. that's bad. how did they do it in war? i remeber thatthere was only 1 sub-to sub torp sinking in the whole ww2

[msxyz]

how did they do it in war? i remeber thatthere was only 1 sub-to sub torp sub in the whole ww2
In the rare occasions were torpedoes were used against other submarines, the unfortunate victim had to be caught surfaced or while diving.

[John Channing]

that's waht i'm talking about. i seem to recall i was under 40mtrs. and no chance to set torp impact under 9mtrs. that's bad. how did they do it in war? i remeber thatthere was only 1 sub-to sub torp sinking in the whole ww2

You remember incorrectly.

USS Batfish sank three on one patrol in less than 5 days.

There were a number of sub-sub sinkings in the ETO as well.

JCC

Credit to Bigboywooly (with a slight edit for clarity by me) for the following...

There was only one submerged v submerged sinking during the war ...
21 other uboats were sunk by allied subs

http://www.uboat.net/fates/sub-sunk.htm (http://www.uboat.net/fates/sub-sunk.htm)

10 Allied subs were sunk by uboats
4 Russian,3 British, 2 French and 1 American

http://www.uboat.net/allies/merchants/warships.html (http://www.uboat.net/allies/merchants/warships.html)

[Nisgeis]

I think I'm right in saying that there has been only one submerged sub versus submerged sub sinking ever.

[Noren]

That is correct, and it was before TDC or computer assisted targeting, that captain was sure put the mathematical test!

[Nisgeis]

Nowadays, the tech must be much better though, like wire guided missiles and active heads and such... so the reason it hasn't happened again is there's been no situation where it could have happened?

[John Channing]

Hasn't been a shooting war with another Navy since the advent of modern torpedos (except for the Falklands and even then he used a pre-WW2 vintage torp on the Belgrano instead of a modern guided one).

JCC

[Redlance88]

saw two British subs on a Westward track, engaged the lead sub with the deck gun, got off maybe 18+ rounds of AP. closed at max speed, ( including engineer abilities). the first seems to have been critically damaged by my attack , and was able to track the second one with the periscope as we both dived. first two torp shots missed at extremely close range, ( fairly maneuverable little buggers). sub two after some 20 min of maneuvering surfaced. I crossed under it's keel and got it broad side with a shot from the stern tube. set at 1 m fast running contact trigger. was a fun time regardless of if I got the tonnage or not. External view showed sub one pointed vertically down just off the ocean floor, like it had severe flooding in the forward compartments and no damage aft. ( may be a glitch but fun to look at it that way regardless) would have liked to track them with sonar, but fortunately I was close enough that it didn't matter.

[Hartmann]

Hasn't been a shooting war with another Navy since the advent of modern torpedos (except for the Falklands and even then he used a pre-WW2 vintage torp on the Belgrano instead of a modern guided one).

JCC


Yes , it was a curious case of an old WWII cruiser sunk by a old torpedo launched by a nuclear submarine. The Antitorpedo belt don´t saved the ship

[walmario_pl]

Guess I'm not a social Kapleun. Ran into another surfaced Type U while doing my routine hydrophone check. Them Brits cruise around at 10 kts, so I could close in still submerged, and make friends - with a single eel. The interesting thing is that BARF worked yet again - Type U made a crash dive to about 40m and a run for it, while staying at about 40 degrees angle, bow up. Was running away for a few minutes (while I was glued to my periscope and directed me 'Herta' by hand) at flank speed, and then took enough water and made the last dive. All 400m of it.

http://img683.imageshack.us/img683/8840/anothersub.jpg (http://img683.imageshack.us/i/anothersub.jpg/)

Stays in my book:

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/1018/confirm2.jpg (http://img100.imageshack.us/i/confirm2.jpg/)

On a side note, May 42 - and there is an active British sub base in Lerwick. While taking a looksee there I witnessed a truly amazing display of aerial aeorobatics done by a DD desperatly trying to climb a wall and get ashore - the ensuing explosion sent 3 or 4 Type U's anchored there into air. I was too dumbstruck (Shocked and Awed™) to take screenies though... Anyone wanting to try a sub vs sub action can go to Lerwick and intercept some boats.

Edit due to me being surprised: I'm about two days later in my patrol, and I've just spotted (again hydrophone check) yet another Type U. Again she is surfaced, again there is no watch on the tower, and I still have some eels to spare. I promise no screenies this time. It's still May 42, seems like Tommies just discovered sub warfare ;)

[orcutt67]

Had one in open water north-west of Scapa Flow, after it dived i followed it around in free camera mode and it did fire four torpedo's at me but missed by a mile.
after about 10 minutes it resurfaced and i was able to get a lock and sink it. Best fun ive had in SH5 yet. showed in captain's log as U-Class sub 540 tons.