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Is Ubisoft's strategy of DRMing up more business a success?
Shareholders must be aware of the customer resistance and are dumping Ubisoft.
2009 average share price was euros 0.87
Today's price is euros 0.47 a 50% drop. Pretty dramatic results after DRMing SH5, AC2 and Settlers.
It would appear that their DRM is turning into a Dive of Doom.
Moo!
Ref:UBISOFT ENTERTAINMENT (UBI:FP): Earnings Estimates - BusinessWeek (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=UBI:FP)
THE_MASK
04-15-10, 05:46 PM
Just Dance :haha:
captainprid
04-15-10, 05:47 PM
Where are you getting your figures from dude???
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=UBI.PA
Where are you getting your figures from dude???
http://uk.finance.yahoo.com/q?s=UBI.PA
Interesting: Here is biz week
UBISOFT ENTERTAINMENT (UBI:FP): Earnings Estimates - BusinessWeek (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=UBI:FP)
SteamWake
04-15-10, 05:57 PM
Dident read either account but just wanted to mention that the economy.. globally... is kind of weak right now. :03:
captainprid
04-15-10, 06:00 PM
Hi Brag.... I think you may have the wrong end of the stick here. The previous figures are accurate and the 2010 figure is estimated but if you look at the base figure, the share price is actually 10.90 euros. The figures you are looking at are the profit per share rather than the actual price........Easy mistake to make dude:up:
It is also worth noting that the 2010 estimate is just that, an estimate and will no doubt have taken into account the current economic downturn
Hi Brag.... I think you may have the wrong end of the stick here. The previous figures are accurate and the 2010 figure is estimated but if you look at the base figure, the share price is actually 10.90 euros. The figures you are looking at are the profit per share rather than the actual price........Easy mistake to make dude:up:
It is also worth noting that the 2010 estimate is just that, an estimate and will no doubt have taken into account the current economic downturn
Thanks for the explanation. :salute:
captainprid
04-15-10, 06:05 PM
Thanks for the explanation. :salute:
:salute:
Thanks for the explanation. :salute:
Patience, Q4 Sales report can be expected by the end of this month, the 2009/10 sales report by May 14th if I recall correctly from the Ubisoft Coporate Investors Center (a site that is better maintained and structured than anything else they have :damn:...).
After the Q4 report, the race is on... And will see how investors like this. But keep in mind that in their latest sales report 2008/9 the PC Market was but some 8% of total revenue. So even if the DRM cut away the whole PC customers, they could just withdraw from that segment (for any possible reason, probably piracy will be pulled out of the coffin again) and refocus business on consoles. But it is still fun to watch Ubisoft in its experiment to gather RL market data...
mcarlsonus
04-15-10, 06:20 PM
NOTE TO TROLLS: Note this thread. Note it well! Here we have disagreement among individuals that didn't result in name-calling and hostility. Getting to be an unusual event around here...unfortunately !
captainprid
04-15-10, 06:21 PM
NOTE TO TROLLS: Note this thread. Note it well! Here we have disagreement among individuals that didn't result in name-calling and hostility. Getting to be an unusual event around here...unfortunately !
Where is the disagreement friend??
mcarlsonus
04-15-10, 06:23 PM
share price, interpretation of same
Westbroek
04-15-10, 06:46 PM
Less a disagreement than a misunderstanding that was discussed and made to be an understanding. This thread feels like adults communicating and understanding each other. It's refreshing in the midst of what has become a lot of hostile attitudes as of late.
I, for one, appreciate civil discourse as found here.
Well played, good sirs.
:salute:
Moeceefus
04-15-10, 06:49 PM
ubisoft will remain successful just from console sales even if thier pc markets fall off. if they give up on the pc market it will be the loss of more pc titles for us pc gamers, and thats a sad thing.
captainprid
04-15-10, 06:58 PM
I think people are becoming irritable because summer is just around the corner!!! Personally can't wait till i'm playing SHV with a Cuba Libre sat in the back garden, soaking up some rays!!!
Everyone makes mistakes no matter how slight, life would be boring otherwise and there would be nothing for us to discuss.......Notice I said discuss instead of argue about. I would think most of us virtual skippers are older than the real thing and its great to behave our age and debate instead of argue, makes this forum a much more welcoming and friendly place
ubisoft will remain successful just from console sales even if thier pc markets fall off. if they give up on the pc market it will be the loss of more pc titles for us pc gamers, and thats a sad thing.
Are you really convinced it will be a loss?? I presently can't see any loss that I wouldn't expect another competitor to pick up in a while after Ubi withdrew... Or do you think submarine games would have disappeared because Microprose gave up sometime after Silent Service II, or Sierra after Aces of the Deep? No, in fact with each new publisher new milestones arrived. Just patience...
Moeceefus
04-15-10, 07:05 PM
Are you really convinced it will be a loss?? I presently can't see any loss that I wouldn't expect another competitor to pick up in a while after Ubi withdrew... Or do you think submarine games would have disappeared because Microprose gave up sometime after Silent Service II, or Sierra after Aces of the Deep? No, in fact with each new publisher new milestones arrived. Just patience...
anytime a company goes exclusively consoles is a sad day for pc gamers imo
TwistedFemur
04-15-10, 07:11 PM
Interesting: Here is biz week
UBISOFT ENTERTAINMENT (UBI:FP): Earnings Estimates - BusinessWeek (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=UBI:FP)
NVM it was already explained :)
NefariousKoel
04-16-10, 05:12 AM
NOTE TO TROLLS: Note this thread. Note it well! Here we have disagreement among individuals that didn't result in name-calling and hostility. Getting to be an unusual event around here...unfortunately !
Irony? Is that you?
Net earnings halved isn't a good sign. Share price drop will likely follow soon before or after the official records are announced.
29/4 if I remember correctly. Ubisoft will probably have an hard time explaining why other operators in the videogaming industry actualkly inreased their margins in 2009, despite the worldwide crisis, and they didn't. Personally, I think DRM is only the proverbial drop that made water spill out of the vase. Ubisoft software quality went down the drain in past years.
Nordmann
04-16-10, 07:10 AM
Who cares? If they go under, and that's a very, very big if, will we really miss them?
After all the rage, and angst displayed on here after the release of SH5, I cannot see too many being overly concerned as to the fate of Ubisoft. After all, this may well be the last game in the series in any case, especially when you consider the reception it received.
Bilge_Rat
04-16-10, 07:57 AM
Is Ubisoft's strategy of DRMing up more business a success?
Shareholders must be aware of the customer resistance and are dumping Ubisoft.
2009 average share price was euros 0.87
Today's price is euros 0.47 a 50% drop. Pretty dramatic results after DRMing SH5, AC2 and Settlers.
It would appear that their DRM is turning into a Dive of Doom.
Moo!
Ref:UBISOFT ENTERTAINMENT (UBI:FP): Earnings Estimates - BusinessWeek (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=UBI:FP)
The drop in UBI share price all took place in the last quarter of 2008 when a lot of companies got hit. Its actually about the same now as it was in jan. 2009 and its actually gone up about 20% since SH5 was released.
Whatever weakness you see in the share price has more to do with the ongoing recession. Ubi is forecasting a loss in 2010. Don't forget that PC game sales only represent about 9% of Ubi's total revenues.
If you compare with EA's numbers, you see its an industry wide problem. EA, by way, is in worse shape than UBI, based on their numbers.
Other than UBI and EA, is there any large publisher still in mass market PC games?
thorn69
04-16-10, 08:49 AM
I bet UBISoft is begging pirates to start stealing their stuff again! It's pretty bad when thieves don't even want to steal your crap these days! :nope:
Whats this post have anything to do with SH5?
The OP has an axe to grind and he is here everyday touting his BS.
He does not own SH5 nor does he plan on it.
His mission is to discourage other readers/players from playing a great game.
DRM is a dead issue, it prevented pirates from ripping the entire game. I call that a success, which is here to stay.
Mods please start taking care in what posts are productive towards the game and which are not. This thread should be moved to General Topics.
Keef Kavannah
04-16-10, 10:44 AM
Are you really convinced it will be a loss?? I presently can't see any loss that I wouldn't expect another competitor to pick up in a while after Ubi withdrew... Or do you think submarine games would have disappeared because Microprose gave up sometime after Silent Service II, or Sierra after Aces of the Deep? No, in fact with each new publisher new milestones arrived. Just patience...
when MS went blank on the CFS line, we all got in deep s**t. only il.2 was left, which i'd call a fairly well done ARCADE. so since 2005, I'VE NEVER GOT A DAMN CHANCE TO USE A JOYSTICK anymore.
we still got to meditate. drm is unfair only from the pow of a consumer who lives in a sad contry (mine) with high internet fees. from the pow of a corp., stopping pirates is the first aim, at [B]any cost[B]. if we love the serie we shall talk to 'em, then if we fail we'll take arms and march or wait until pricesėll drop under 6$ and all the "patches" and addons are out.
sh5 campaing proves to be really immersive and a step on, so..
good things to those who wait.
Redlance88
04-16-10, 10:54 AM
the concept of this thread is interesting and tho it may not be overly productive I personally see no harm in letting it continue to run it's course as a discussion of the overall business model of the attempt to protect a company investment, vs consumer rights and usability.
For my two cents, I fear that intrusive methods are here to stay, and may yet get worse, but that doesn't mean we should roll over and say nothing. I think the majority of this threads members have it right that, the negative effect of DRM on paying customers isn't going to register very highly to ubi given that its PC market share isn't as large as its counsel investment. I doubt the DRM will ever be removed from shV and I think that is unfortunate. I did buy the game, it is mostly broken in its current state, and I hope for it to improve before patch support goes away. I personally think that the "always on connection" is silly for a largely single player game, but my lap top can't run it any way so for now it has no effect on me personally, I only play it at home. I respect the folks who have chosen to hold out. and admire there conviction. I may have made a Faustian bargain in choosing to buy the game at full price, but I do want them to know that there is interest in good sub sim games. the best thing any one can do is write to the company and tell them how you feel and try to address there need to make a profit and protect there investment at the same time that you express why your needs aren't being met. I think that more than any thing will have real effect. just complaining accomplishes nothing.
ZeInfidel
04-16-10, 10:59 AM
Its the most pathetic topic,in this forum.:DL Reminds me the jealous husband,who things that this ex wife will burn in hell ,cause she left him :haha:
Its the most pathetic topic,in this forum.:DL Reminds me the jealous husband,who things that this ex wife will burn in hell ,cause she left him :haha:
:haha: :har:
Its the most pathetic topic,in this forum.:DL Reminds me the jealous husband,who things that this ex wife will burn in hell ,cause she left him :haha:
This.
Same as the "my SH3 is better (bigger) than your SH5" rant :haha:
St. Cobra
04-16-10, 12:19 PM
Some great financial advise from someone who wants to see Ubi fail. Becomes bigger fail :har:
Is Ubisoft's strategy of DRMing up more business a success?
Shareholders must be aware of the customer resistance and are dumping Ubisoft.
2009 average share price was euros 0.87
Today's price is euros 0.47 a 50% drop. Pretty dramatic results after DRMing SH5, AC2 and Settlers.
It would appear that their DRM is turning into a Dive of Doom.
Moo!
Ref:UBISOFT ENTERTAINMENT (UBI:FP): Earnings Estimates - BusinessWeek (http://investing.businessweek.com/research/stocks/earnings/earnings.asp?ticker=UBI:FP)
mookiemookie
04-16-10, 12:33 PM
Other than UBI and EA, is there any large publisher still in mass market PC games?
Bioware, Obsidian, Valve, Activision/Blizzard, Bethesda... :doh:
Bioware, Obsidian, Valve, Activision/Blizzard, Bethesda... :doh:
:lol:
Bioware, Obsidian, Valve, Activision/Blizzard, Bethesda... :doh:
Nice that some people can still focus instead of posting nonsense comments showing how poor their argumentation skills are developed... And for the other pals (once again): No one wants to see anyone go down. But some like to see know how customers reacted to the new concept, and not only on amazon. Especially Europeans have obviously reacted very allergic to it, showing that they value their (customer) rights very highly. And some here have hope that with bad sales results that Ubi will hopefully achieve, the DRM might be removed so we can also play SHV without being required to draw on piracy!
But back to topic: Does anyone have statistics (revenue, releases, sales numbers) that compare the big 7 listed so far? What are the others doing with the online trend? Following?
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