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UK Airspace shuts from 12pm BST today until who knows when?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8621407.stm
Looks like the earlier eruption near Eyjafjallajoekull has set the whole bloody thing off.
One really has to feel sorry for Iceland, first their economy blows up, then their geography. :(
UnderseaLcpl
04-15-10, 06:07 AM
Way to go, Iceland. Now the rest of the planet is going to have to take up the slack for your flagrant violations of the Kyoto protocol goals. You leave us with no choice but to deploy Al Gore to curtail your utter disregard for global climate change. :nope:
Jimbuna
04-15-10, 06:23 AM
Better to be safe than sorry....tis reckoned the particles could jam an aircrafts engine :o
An RAF Sea King helicopter did ferry a critically ill patient from Scotland to London earlier. :up:
Tis hoped flight will return to normal by 18:00 GMT....provided the cloud has dispersed.
In the hands of the gods Jim, the volcano is still erupting apparently, so if the winds stay the same (which they're supposed to until the weekend) then this will probably go on through tomorrow.
Lionclaw
04-15-10, 06:51 AM
In the -80's a British Airways Boeing 747 flew through a volcanic ash cloud causing all 4 engines to fail. They managed to restart the engines at lower altitude.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Airways_Flight_9
They were interviewing Eric Moody on Sky News earlier this morning. :yep:
"Ladies and Gentlemen, this is your Captain speaking. We have a small problem. All four engines have stopped. We are doing our damnedest to get them under control. I trust you are not in too much distress."
:har:
GoldenRivet
04-15-10, 07:28 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVI0yLxFdHM
Volcanic ash is some serious ****
OneToughHerring
04-15-10, 08:43 AM
Most of Finnish air space shut down from air traffic. The thing got here quicker then anticipated.
Tribesman
04-15-10, 09:00 AM
In the hands of the gods Jim, the volcano is still erupting apparently, so if the winds stay the same (which they're supposed to until the weekend) then this will probably go on through tomorrow.
Just had some spokesman from Iceland on the news over here, last time this volcano went off like this eruption it lasted a month.
SteamWake
04-15-10, 09:09 AM
Way to go, Iceland. Now the rest of the planet is going to have to take up the slack for your flagrant violations of the Kyoto protocol goals. You leave us with no choice but to deploy Al Gore to curtail your utter disregard for global climate change. :nope:
LOL beat me to it... :salute:
Volcanic ash is basically powdered glass bad news for combustion engines of any type.
Wow it sure seems as if siesmic activity is really picking up accross the globe from Haitai, to China, Iceland and so on.
Read an article a few months ago about increased activity in the Grand Canyon region of the US. :-?
Buddahaid
04-15-10, 09:12 AM
Iceland is the only part of the mid-Atlantic ridge that's not underwater. These things are inevetitable like earthquakes in California, so obviously it's the politics that are responsible. :O:
Jimbuna
04-15-10, 09:37 AM
In the hands of the gods Jim, the volcano is still erupting apparently, so if the winds stay the same (which they're supposed to until the weekend) then this will probably go on through tomorrow.
So much for the early/initial estimation :doh:
Weiss Pinguin
04-15-10, 10:18 AM
Read an article a few months ago about increased activity in the Grand Canyon region of the US. :-?
Well then I guess it's a good thing I don't live in Arizona :smug:
So much for the early/initial estimation :doh:
Indeed, was rather optimistic in my opinion, I guess they were hoping the winds would shift or that this eruption would be a brief one.
Steamwake, I've been thinking the exact same thing, in fact IIRC I posted a thread on it a few weeks back, but the conclusion that we, and it seems the USGS came to, is that it's because of better reporting and the sad fact that most of these bigger quakes are happening in populated areas so far this year, that has made it seem like there's more big quakes going on than usual:
http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=2439
And Tribesman, that doesn't surprise me, it's got a lot of magma to shift no doubt, it's going to be a tricky time for air traffic around Europe although if the wind shifts then some airspaces might be able to reopen, and others will have to close. I don't think it'll go the whole month though, if I had to put a time frame to it...and I admit I'm rather loathe to, but for the heck of it, I'm going to say a week, maybe two. Hopefully sooner, but as the airport representatives were all saying this morning, it's in the hands of nature.
SteamWake
04-15-10, 10:33 AM
I dont buy the 'better reporting' argument. If an earthquake had killed 400 pepole in China back in say 1950 we would have heard about it. Maybe not nearly instantly like today but we would have heard of it.
HunterICX
04-15-10, 10:36 AM
:shifty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34mHZgP9vkc
Always nice of some fokes to show their nonexistent intelligence or brain function.
HunterICX
GoldenRivet
04-15-10, 10:40 AM
hey thats nothing.
One day, i had just parked and walked into the airport in full uniform.
headed down the terminal passing gate after gate to get to the crew room and sign in for my trip that was scheduled to leave in about an hour.
out of nowhere some hoity toity business suit walks up.
"I just want you to know you are a piece of fu**ing sh*t and you should be ashamed of yourself."
:o
he walked off before i could formulate a thought as to what had just happened.
i can only guess his flight got canceled and it was somehow my fault - even though i had just got to the airport and wasnt even on duty for another 15 minutes.
*resists urge to make Northerner comment* :03::haha:
You've got a point SW, but it wouldn't be so dramatic or in our faces as it is now. It would most likely have been a paragraph or two in a newspaper or a brief mention on the evening radio bulletin sixty or so years ago, now days in the era of rolling news broadcasts, things are a) made to sound more dramatic [to ensure viewing] and b) everything is breaking news, much more attention grabbing than a newspaper article or radio section.
GoldenRivet
04-15-10, 10:51 AM
flights cancel... flights get delayed - nature of the beast.
The hardest cancellations for people to accept are weather related delays or cancellations.
they look outside and see clear blue skies. Often the limit of their knowlege of meteorology is related to what they see out the window.
what they dont know is that 150 miles East of us there is a Squall line of thunderstorms extending from the great lakes region all the way down to San Antonio... and we arent going through that!
some of the strangest delay / cancellations
1. During my preflight inspection i noticed that all of the placards were missing from our Refuel Defuel panel. These "stickers" tell the fuelers what kind of fuel to put into the airplane, and include various limitations for pressure fueling PSI etc. By regulation the sticker has to be there. Maintenance didnt have any in stock and they had to be flown in from another location. Delay: 3 hours
2. Elderly woman evacuates bowels in forward galley upon deplaning. Regulation and company policy requires this be treated as a Hazmat / biohazard situation. Delay about 2 hours
3. Crew timeout is a big one! As flight crew, you are limited to 8 hours flying in a day. Even though this is the case, the company can have you "on duty" for upwards of 14 hours in a day. you can fly past the 8 hours... but you're wheels have to leave the ground before the 8th hour is reached.
occasionally, you might push back from the gate with 4 minutes to spare to this "time out" scenario... if you dont reach the runway in 3:59 you're done - thats it... go back to the gate or lose your license for breaking a Federal Law. this really pisses people off when you explain over the PA system "We have to go back because one or both of the pilots timed out"
4. Destination airport closing - usually a one runway airport. disabled aircraft on the runway or something.
5. once while taxiing out in rain we had the windshield wipers on. My windshield wiper stops mid whipe half way up the windscreen. This was not addressed in the manual... but there is a limitation of 140(ish) knots max speed with whipers un-stowed. so we had to taxi back and get it fixed... delay of a few hours.
Jimbuna
04-15-10, 10:55 AM
:shifty: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34mHZgP9vkc
Always nice of some fokes to show their nonexistent intelligence or brain function.
HunterICX
Somebody should have asked that Jock where he thought Iceland was located then we could have all had a laugh looking at the puzzled frown on his ugly mug :DL
In the -80's a British Airways Boeing 747 flew through a volcanic ash cloud causing all 4 engines to fail. They managed to restart the engines at lower altitude.
And clean the crap out of their drawers once they landed i'll bet! :o
Somebody should have asked that Jock where he thought Iceland was located then we could have all had a laugh looking at the puzzled frown on his ugly mug :DL
Down the high street ain't it Jim? :03:
http://www.snap-shop.co.uk/retailer-images/standard/389.jpg
Jimbuna
04-15-10, 11:15 AM
Down the high street ain't it Jim? :03:
http://www.snap-shop.co.uk/retailer-images/standard/389.jpg
Yeah....but that's probably an English outlet......if it had been a Scottish one the windows would probably have been boarded up :D
mako88sb
04-15-10, 11:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVI0yLxFdHM
Volcanic ash is some serious ****
Yeah, this is a great Mayday episode. The crew did an outstanding job but I sure get a kick out of the cabin steward. The whole time this is going on, he constantly reassures everybody that there's no cause for concern and that everything will be all right. I'm sure everybody looking out the windows and seeing the 40 ft flames coming out the back of the engines must of thought he was bonkers. Not to mention the ash floating around inside the 747 that looked like smoke, the engines all cutting out and the oxygen masks deploying at one point. Oh yeah, no reason to worry. I think the only time he actually acknowledges that there is a problem is when he uses the bullhorn to announce that the public addressing system is not working.
I wish they would re-publish the book that one of the passengers, Betty Tootell wrote:
http://www.amazon.com/Engines-failed-Triumphant-Jakarta-Incident/dp/B0027BLWO8/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1271350116&sr=1-2
There are occasional used copies that come up for sale but a bit out of my price range.
Rob
TLAM Strike
04-15-10, 12:36 PM
Is anyone else worried that with all air traffic grounded in Northern Europe that a cargo ship is going to pull in to Faxafloi Bay and start disgorging Russian Naval Infantry as part of Operation Red Storm?
http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/2483/2643207266d0ec94e954.jpg (http://img214.imageshack.us/i/2643207266d0ec94e954.jpg/)
GoldenRivet
04-15-10, 12:38 PM
Is anyone else worried that with all air traffic grounded in Northern Europe that a cargo ship is going to pull in to Faxafloi Bay and start disgorging Russian Naval Infantry as part of Operation Red Storm?
no :woot:
The luck that Iceland is having, that would quite frankly not surprise me!
It doesn't half seem weird, going outside and not seeing any contrails in the sky, we're on one of the main flight paths out of Stansted and London here, so there's a plane going over every couple of minutes really. I bet it's even weirder in London. :yep:
GoldenRivet
04-15-10, 12:52 PM
Kinda like september 11th in the states.
The only contrails were all big arcing U-turns.
The loacl airport had to close an entire runway just so that it could be utilized for aircraft parking. (as many airports did the same thing)
Then came the gas runs.
every gas station in town had a line of cars a half mile down the road.
histaria, paranoi, all the usual group psychology issues.
Similar experience right here at home the day Columbia broke up over East Texas.
Air traffic controllers were broadcasting on local frequencies that all aircraft are requested to land due to the risk of showering debris.
its very eerie when the sky is devoid of aircraft.
Raptor1
04-15-10, 01:24 PM
Is anyone else worried that with all air traffic grounded in Northern Europe that a cargo ship is going to pull in to Faxafloi Bay and start disgorging Russian Naval Infantry as part of Operation Red Storm?
At least the Backfires aren't going to be a problem until this mess clears up...
papa_smurf
04-15-10, 01:46 PM
No flights to and from the UK till 7:00am tomorrow, unless its still bad..
Least we now know what it was like before we had aircraft - been nice and quiet where I am.
Jimbuna
04-15-10, 02:32 PM
No flights to and from the UK till 7:00am tomorrow, unless its still bad..
Least we now know what it was like before we had aircraft - been nice and quiet where I am.
Yeah the news did say that was a 'good day' estimate....down to the weather/winds now I suppose.
It's been pushed back to 13:00 BST tomorrow now, although they might allow flights from Northern Ireland and the Western Isles of Scotland to and from Glasgow, Edinburgh and Prestwick and North Atlantic traffic to and from Edinburgh, Glasgow, Prestwick and Belfast may also be allowed in the period 01:00 - 13:00 BST tomorrow. I guess this is because the cloud is mainly towards the east of the country/North Sea at the moment, but all it'll take is a swing in the upper level winds. Still, time will tell, some scientists are on the way up to Iceland in a specially configured plane to take some samples from the cloud to judge its environmental impact.
SteamWake
04-15-10, 02:57 PM
Maybe its time to start up a few convoys :up:
Where's Jim?! :salute:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d7/Frederick_John_Walker_RN.jpg
OneToughHerring
04-15-10, 03:01 PM
What if there are emergency cases that have to be urgently delivered through air? What are they going to use, military and it's planes?
What if there are emergency cases that have to be urgently delivered through air? What are they going to use, military and it's planes?
Yup, the RAF is evaluating cases as they are submitted but a transfer from Edinburgh to London of a person with a severe medical condition took place earlier today via a RN Sea King helo.
Low level flights should be fine unless the cloud starts to fall, but at the moment it's lurking up at some 11km through which commercial airliners have to ascend to their cruising altitude. I think half of the problem is legislation meaning that even flights at an altitude below the cloud have to be cancelled in case the cloud drops, although TBH I'm not well versed on that so I can't be sure, GoldenRivet would probably know more.
Jimbuna
04-15-10, 05:46 PM
Where's Jim?! :salute:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/d7/Frederick_John_Walker_RN.jpg
Still here....looking for a match to light my pipe :DL
Yup, the RAF is evaluating cases as they are submitted but a transfer from Edinburgh to London of a person with a severe medical condition took place earlier today via a RN Sea King helo.
Already reported in #3 ya bugga.....you been on the plonk? :hmmm::O:
Still here....looking for a match to light my pipe :DL
Already reported in #3 ya bugga.....you been on the plonk? :hmmm::O:
Just wait for a volcanic ember to drift down on it. :salute:
Anyway, who you calling a plonker, I was just replying to OTH :O: He started it! :O:
Went outside earlier, couldn't half smell burning wood, I can only presume some twit has a bonfire going nearby because surely the ash cloud couldn't produce that kinda smell this far south. :hmmm:
OneToughHerring
04-16-10, 03:03 AM
Looks like I missed the #3 message. But anyway, I guess the bigger military helos can handle flying in this thing. Not sure if they are tested against volcanic clouds though. Hope the situation doesn't lead to deaths of any patients etc.
Safe-Keeper
04-16-10, 03:10 AM
This is what happens when Brits seize Icelandic banks and Norwegians don't do enough to help them financially.
You don't **** with Iceland. Apparently we've learned nothing from the Cod Wars:nope:.
As a matter of fact I can see them quite clearly:
Politician 1: *****, Sigurdur, everything's a mess and now those damned Norsemen and Brits have turned on us!
Politician 2: Anything we can do to punish them? Trade embargo? Cruise missiles across their cities? Naval blockade?
Politician 1: I have been in touch with our geologists. Apparently, there's a volcanic vent around here (he pulls out a map and points). Dropping half a ton of TNT into the vent should open it sufficiently to allow for the volcano to drown the Scandinavians and Brits in volcanic ash. Their aircraft will be grounded for days!
Politician 2: I love it! Get it done at once!
I mean, look at this. All of northern Europe affected, but oh so conveniently, Reykjavik with its airport is west of the cloud. ****ers planned this, all right.
http://images.bt.no/btno/multimedia/dynamic/00641/askelaget_jpg_641330c.jpg
One really has to feel sorry for Iceland, first their economy blows up, then their geography. :(Don't. The volcanic eruption has been quite the boon to their tourist industry. Which further fuels my Inside Job theory :P .
darius359au
04-16-10, 05:25 AM
Interesting site http://www.radar-virtuel.com/ it's a virtual ATC Radar showing flights in europe ,takes a bit of time to load , down south theres plenty but there's nothing for the UK ,Belgium ,The Netherlands and most of northern Europe..
Jimbuna
04-16-10, 06:08 AM
Just wait for a volcanic ember to drift down on it. :salute:
Anyway, who you calling a plonker, I was just replying to OTH :O: He started it! :O:
Went outside earlier, couldn't half smell burning wood, I can only presume some twit has a bonfire going nearby because surely the ash cloud couldn't produce that kinda smell this far south. :hmmm:
All that hot air eminating from the leaders debate on ITV last night should soon shift the bugga......talk about 3 wise monkeys :hmmm:
http://www.free-animations.co.uk/animals/monkeys/images/monkey_31.gif
Safe-Keeper
04-16-10, 06:16 AM
Now they tell us to expect a hundred millimetres of rain in one night. From the direction of Iceland.
Did somebody sell them H.A.A.R.P. or something:O:?
XabbaRus
04-16-10, 06:20 AM
Interesting site http://www.radar-virtuel.com/ it's a virtual ATC Radar showing flights in europe ,takes a bit of time to load , down south theres plenty but there's nothing for the UK ,Belgium ,The Netherlands and most of northern Europe..
It doesn't link to anything, changes to a site selling something, all in French.
darius359au
04-16-10, 06:34 AM
It doesn't link to anything, changes to a site selling something, all in French.
Looks like the whole things fallen over now ,Firefox can't even find the server now! , probably too many people checking it out :cry:
Nicolas
04-16-10, 06:34 AM
Volcanos are supposed to trhow components that helps cooling the earth, so if nobody was killed this can be good.
frau kaleun
04-16-10, 10:44 AM
Day Two, and still no "Hitler Finds Out His Flight Was Cancelled" video?
I am disappoint.
OneToughHerring
04-16-10, 11:16 AM
Oh yea, almost forgot...
War against volcanooooes! Yaaargh! :arrgh!::rock:
TLAM Strike
04-16-10, 11:31 AM
Oh yea, almost forgot...
War against volcanooooes! Yaaargh! :arrgh!::rock: Yes these Volcanoes are cleary weapons of mass destruction! Iceland has stockpiled over 40 Volcanoes. The US must now ask the UN Security Counsel for a resolution allowing the use of force to disarm this rogue nation! :ping:
Jimbuna
04-16-10, 11:41 AM
Yes these Volcanoes are cleary weapons of mass destruction! Iceland has stockpiled over 40 Volcanoes. The US must now ask the UN Security Counsel for a resolution allowing the use of force to disarm this rogue nation! :ping:
That's sure to wake up the anti US "Since when did they ever ask for permission" brigade :DL
OneToughHerring
04-16-10, 01:24 PM
I'm sure some airline security firms are making lucrative deals selling "anti-volcano"-spray coating to airlines to be used in situations just like this one. :shifty:
Jimbuna
04-16-10, 01:48 PM
Latest UK position:
Flights above Scotland and Northern Ireland have resumed but fears over drifting volcanic ash mean restrictions remain in English and Welsh airspace.
Air traffic control body Nats said it would review the situation at 2030 BST but there would be no flights over England and Wales before 0700 BST.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8626404.stm
Seeadler
04-16-10, 04:16 PM
Germany is a complete no fly zone till 02:00 PM tomorrow, all 16 major airports now closed
A friend of my dad's in in Florence with his family—helping chaperone 100 high school kids.
100 kids, and maybe 10-20 chaperones trapped.
Jimbuna
04-16-10, 06:31 PM
A friend of my dad's in in Florence with his family—helping chaperone 100 high school kids.
100 kids, and maybe 10-20 chaperones trapped.
That's bad news....but sadly, probably replicated across Europe :nope:
There are worse places to be stuck. The real problem is housing all of them, and the cost. Also, the return flights. At the very least I'd expect the parents to want one adult in each group of kids heading home, but given the mess it might be hard to find 5-10 seats per flight.
Jimbuna
04-16-10, 06:51 PM
There are worse places to be stuck. The real problem is housing all of them, and the cost. Also, the return flights. At the very least I'd expect the parents to want one adult in each group of kids heading home, but given the mess it might be hard to find 5-10 seats per flight.
That's a real bummer.....but take some comfort from the fact they are all safe :yep:
mako88sb
04-17-10, 07:36 PM
Check out the radar picture taken of the Eyjafjallajökull craters on April 15. Kind of spooky looking.
http://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2010/04/16/article-1266300-09283406000005DC-709_634x484.jpg
Biggles
04-18-10, 09:35 AM
A small-sized plane managed to get from NYC to Kiruna (Northern Sweden). In 7 hours. Might be followed by more flights. But Kiruna hasn't the biggest airport around so...
And, apparently, the loss of money for the airlines are humongous! British Airways lose about one million quid by the hour!
I heard the Finnish Air Force sent an F-18 into the cloud and buggered its engines up, so it's still about in places. I think the problem at the moment is that the damaging stuff is only in patchy places inside the cloud but there's no way of telling where in the cloud those patches are, and where they'll be tomorrow.
Jimbuna
04-18-10, 11:09 AM
I heard the Finnish Air Force sent an F-18 into the cloud and buggered its engines up, so it's still about in places. I think the problem at the moment is that the damaging stuff is only in patchy places inside the cloud but there's no way of telling where in the cloud those patches are, and where they'll be tomorrow.
That must be nearly half the Finnish Air Force disabled then :DL
TLAM Strike
04-18-10, 11:34 AM
That must be nearly half the Finnish Air Force disabled then :DL
I hope you got your rabies shot Jimbuna, I think you might be bit by a rabid Ferret soon. :DL
UnderseaLcpl
04-18-10, 12:20 PM
That must be nearly half the Finnish Air Force disabled then :DL
:rotfl2::rotfl2::rotfl2:
CaptainHaplo
04-18-10, 01:02 PM
Bloody irresponsible to send a jet fighter into something like that. Its asking to get FOD'ed out.
Times like this is when big, slow birds (like the old DC-3) are most useful. I am suprised that at least some puddle jumpers aren't allowed - given the slower speed.....
It's about time the governments manned up and organised extra trains, coaches and ships instead of just hoping it'll go away and people will find their own way back.
It's been seventy years since Dunkirk, we managed it back then, we can do it again now. All that's standing in the way is politics and legislation.
Tribesman
04-18-10, 03:43 PM
Times like this is when big, slow birds (like the old DC-3) are most useful. I am suprised that at least some puddle jumpers aren't allowed - given the slower speed.....
Some are allowed, and it isn't the slower speed thats the key its the engines not having to suck in vast amounts of air/ash to operate.
Jimbuna
04-18-10, 03:55 PM
I hope you got your rabies shot Jimbuna, I think you might be bit by a rabid Ferret soon. :DL
Must be in bed fast asleep :DL
The cheese eaters do it again!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/7604409/Volcanic-ash-cloud-TV-historian-Dan-Snows-attempt-to-rescue-stranded-Britons-thwarted-by-French.html
The cheese eaters do it again!!!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/travelnews/7604409/Volcanic-ash-cloud-TV-historian-Dan-Snows-attempt-to-rescue-stranded-Britons-thwarted-by-French.html
The Dutch?
Ooooh, you mean THOSE cheese-eaters!
Dan should have used some fishing boats...if we have any left... :hmmm:
Tribesman
04-18-10, 04:54 PM
The cheese eaters do it again!!!
Take one minute and see how many reasons you can think of which would mean that a cross channel ferry service through the worlds busiest shipping lane by some journalist with a couple of inflatables he borrowed is a bit of a no-go
The original article stated that the French did not want any competition to their ferries.We must be due a French ferry workers strike again soon.
Bloody irresponsible to send a jet fighter into something like that. Its asking to get FOD'ed out.
The Hornets flew on Thursday, when the airspace was still open. They had scheduled dogfight exercises. So, no, they didn't send a jet to 'fly into the cloud'.
Jimbuna
04-19-10, 06:34 AM
The original article stated that the French did not want any competition to their ferries.We must be due a French ferry workers strike again soon.
A different attitude to the one they took in June 44 :DL
OneToughHerring
04-19-10, 06:49 AM
The Hornets flew on Thursday, when the airspace was still open. They had scheduled dogfight exercises. So, no, they didn't send a jet to 'fly into the cloud'.
They also sent a Hawk up there, it came back with data.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/04/16/340727/pictures-finnish-f-18-engine-check-reveals-effects-of-volcanic.html
The damage to the F-18 seems pretty clear, can't get me into a plane any time soon.
HunterICX
04-19-10, 06:51 AM
^that's some nasty stuff indeed to get in your engines.
HunterICX
OneToughHerring
04-19-10, 07:02 AM
That must be nearly half the Finnish Air Force disabled then :DL
Could be closer to 100% now that 'FrankenHornet' went mineral a while ago.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/01/22/337518/pictures-second-accident-spells-end-for-finlands-frankenhornet.html
Finally, Dunkirk mark two seems to be underway:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8628878.stm
Friend of mine at work has a flight to Vegas booked on Wednesday, doesn't look good for her...
OneToughHerring
04-19-10, 07:18 AM
Finally, Dunkirk mark two seems to be underway:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8628878.stm
More of the same.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8629392.stm
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47669000/jpg/_47669134_arkroyal.jpg
Better fence up those flight decks so the drunken tourists won't boogie themselves into the sea. :woot:
Jimbuna
04-19-10, 07:19 AM
Could be closer to 100% now that 'FrankenHornet' went mineral a while ago.
http://www.flightglobal.com/articles/2010/01/22/337518/pictures-second-accident-spells-end-for-finlands-frankenhornet.html
I doubt anyone will want to fly her again....even if she had of been repaireable......jinxed is perhaps a better way of describing that bird :DL
Ironic really, it's only a month and a week out. :hmmm: Still, at least the government is doing something now and has abandoned the 'wait and hope it goes away' tactic. :yeah:
Tribesman
04-19-10, 08:02 AM
The original article stated that the French did not want any competition to their ferries.We must be due a French ferry workers strike again soon.
Yet there are dozens of small craft currently operating in the same role as Snow wanted to. The difference being they are all registered licenced and insured as commercial vessels which carry members of the public.
So that suggests the original article was talking bollox.
OneToughHerring
04-19-10, 11:05 AM
On behalf of the people of Iceland and as a form of apology, here is a link to an interview of Miss Iceland. She explains what it all is about.:yeah:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edHPL13BOBo&feature=player_embedded
On behalf of the people of Iceland and as a form of apology, here is a link to an interview of Miss Iceland. She explains what it all is about.:yeah:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=edHPL13BOBo&feature=player_embedded
Well would she like to pay the Airlines compensation claims?
OneToughHerring
04-19-10, 01:24 PM
Well would she like to pay the Airlines compensation claims?
Well, no. But I personally would rather hear this from her then some grumpy looking airline representative.
Or not actually hear but look.
Carry on.
Hmmm, I think I'd be voting Ukrainian in this one....
But I digress...
Finally, Dunkirk mark two seems to be underway:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8628878.stm
Friend of mine at work has a flight to Vegas booked on Wednesday, doesn't look good for her...
More of the same.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/8629392.stm
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/47669000/jpg/_47669134_arkroyal.jpg
Better fence up those flight decks so the drunken tourists won't boogie themselves into the sea. :woot:
Strangely the ferry companies are scratching their heads as to why this is needed: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/news/article7102316.ece
Maybe someone want's some election BROWNie points?
Snestorm
04-20-10, 01:38 AM
Well would she like to pay the Airlines compensation claims?
Why should she, or anyone else?
Would you like to take up a collection for them?
GoldenRivet
04-20-10, 01:45 AM
Why should she, or anyone else?
Would you like to take up a collection for them?
They should at least be granted a 2 o 3 week delay in billing or something.
I know it's hard to sympathize with a major airline, but i can assure you... for any aviation company to sit idle for a couple of weeks is absolutely detrimental;)
Snestorm
04-20-10, 03:14 AM
They should at least be granted a 2 o 3 week delay in billing or something.
I know it's hard to sympathize with a major airline, but i can assure you... for any aviation company to sit idle for a couple of weeks is absolutely detrimental;)
This is, unfortunately, true of any business.
Particularly, those with a heavy debt.
Strangely the ferry companies are scratching their heads as to why this is needed: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/travel/news/article7102316.ece
Maybe someone want's some election BROWNie points?
Turns out HMS Albion was heading to pick up some servicemen and women from Cyprus who were heading back from Afghanistan and who were taken to the air hub at Spain. The civilians who showed up to try and get on board were mostly turned away it seems.
Jimbuna
04-20-10, 11:01 AM
Simply Mr Brown showing how much he cares about the electorate :DL
Aye, although apparently my previous statement was slightly wrong, some civilians were picked up, but they were ones who had had their names at the consulate in Spain, so basically the first comes were first served, or something like that.
Latest guess-estimates indicate that the Low system that'll hopefully knock the ash cloud away won't arrive until the weekend now.
Jimbuna
04-20-10, 02:35 PM
6pm news UK - 28 BA flights are in mid air from all areas of the globe heading for the UK after the conditions started looking favourable but the volcano has started emitting fresh debris and the London airports have now been closed again.
Flights are being diverted to nothern UK and Madrid.
What a mess. :nope:
krashkart
04-20-10, 02:41 PM
Man, those ash clouds have really put the hurt on air travel haven't they? Glad I didn't have any reason to fly intercontinental this month. :-?
Safe-Keeper
04-20-10, 05:45 PM
6pm news UK - 28 BA flights are in mid air from all areas of the globe heading for the UK after the conditions started looking favourable but the volcano has started emitting fresh debris and the London airports have now been closed again.
Flights are being diverted to nothern UK and Madrid.Ugh. Finally on the way home, relaxing in your seat, and... "Ladies and gentlemen, this is your captain speaking, we're going to have to divert to XX due to more volcanic ash".
Just... ugh.
It looks like things are getting back to a relative sense of normality though, all airports are reopening now, some restrictions are still in effect but nothing as bad as before.
NOW the real chaos begins... :yep:
Jimbuna
04-20-10, 06:08 PM
It looks like things are getting back to a relative sense of normality though, all airports are reopening now, some restrictions are still in effect but nothing as bad as before.
NOW the real chaos begins... :yep:
The shareholders will be breathing a sigh of relief (BA, myself included) as profits resume :DL
The shareholders will be breathing a sigh of relief (BA, myself included) as profits resume :DL
Ey Jim, you know what they say about counting chickens, there's still a risk Katla could go up. :hmmm:
Jimbuna
04-20-10, 06:29 PM
Ey Jim, you know what they say about counting chickens, there's still a risk Katla could go up. :hmmm:
Life is always a risk...never invest any more than you can afford to lose :03:
Heard on the radio about some Aussies residing in the UK that were on a trip to Asia recently were six hours into an Asiana flight back to the UK from Seoul when they got told they were going to Frankfurt, er... no, Rome, er.. guess again... ended up back in Seoul where they are still waiting a week later to fly back home. They have jobs to go to and are getting quite antsy cause the unexpected holiday is eating into their savings.
Glad it's not me.
I must confess I'm not entirely happy with the situation, I think that this reopening of the airspace has been done under pressure from the airline companies and there's still a risk that the airspace is not safe. After all, the volcano is still going up. I mean, I understand that it's costing tonnes of money per day, but surely that's nothing compared to the possibility of a plane going down? I mean, there's risks and there's risks.
I dunno...I just don't like the look of it. Hopefully I'm wrong :up:
Jimbuna
04-21-10, 10:05 AM
My wife's been sleeping in an airport for the past 6 days, with no food and no money.
If I feel sober enough in the morning, I might drive down to Heathrow and pick her up.
My wife's been sleeping in an airport for the past 6 days, with no food and no money.
If I feel sober enough in the morning, I might drive down to Heathrow and pick her up.
You might even make it back alive... :hmmm:
Jimbuna
04-21-10, 03:52 PM
You might even make it back alive... :hmmm:
LOL :DL
Why should she, or anyone else?
Would you like to take up a collection for them?
Just being sarcastic but I agree with your point, I would not be surprised us the tax payer will have to, why?
To all airlines who claim to be out of pocket...put your bloody prices up!
I must confess I'm not entirely happy with the situation, I think that this reopening of the airspace has been done under pressure from the airline companies and there's still a risk that the airspace is not safe. After all, the volcano is still going up. I mean, I understand that it's costing tonnes of money per day, but surely that's nothing compared to the possibility of a plane going down? I mean, there's risks and there's risks.
I dunno...I just don't like the look of it. Hopefully I'm wrong :up:
Money is god, money is power...Human life is cheap & worthless. :nope:
Jimbuna
04-22-10, 10:03 AM
Money is god, money is power...Human life is cheap & worthless. :nope:
Speak fer yersel :stare:
Mine is priceless.....to me anyways :DL
Tribesman
05-03-10, 01:18 PM
Looks like its back again.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0503/ash.html
Looks like its back again.
http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0503/ash.html
The UK is all clear. :D
Tribesman
05-03-10, 02:24 PM
The UK is all clear.
You might have upset some Ulstermen with that comment.:har:
The UK is giving an update on its airspace and any new restrictions in just over half an hour.
They won't close British airspace, they don't have the balls to, not after the hiding the airfleets'll give them. :nope:
Tchocky
05-03-10, 02:56 PM
They won't close British airspace, they don't have the balls to, not after the hiding the airfleets'll give them. :nope:
They will if they have to. Airlines can complain if they like.Airlines will run VFR again if they have to. I'd rather they didn't.
Nah, they'll just move the goalposts again so the planes can fly. :nope:
Tchocky
05-03-10, 03:15 PM
Nah, they'll just move the goalposts again so the planes can fly. :nope:
I appreciate that it can look that way, but that's not what happened. This situation was unprecedented, in terms of so much ash being concentrated in such busy airspace. Also, the wind conditions were (and still are) less than favourable. The previous zero-tolerance rule was never designed to cope with this scale of event, so we had to work something out while preserving safety.
ATC runs by safety and efficiency - because there was no playbook, efficiency got dropped while a/c and engine manufacturers knocked some heads.
Jimbuna
05-04-10, 05:39 AM
If the destination airport in the UK is closed prior to say, a flight leaving the US then the burdon of responsibility regarding the safety of the passengers, crew and aircraft will lie squarely on the shoulders of the airlines.
I would expect the pilot to refuse to fly, after all it is his decision prior to any flight commencing regardless of the prevailing conditions.
Furthermore can you imagine the furore in the press should an airline suspend or attempt to discipline said employee when he was the ultimate decision maker with regards to safety and risk.
I appreciate that it can look that way, but that's not what happened. This situation was unprecedented, in terms of so much ash being concentrated in such busy airspace. Also, the wind conditions were (and still are) less than favourable. The previous zero-tolerance rule was never designed to cope with this scale of event, so we had to work something out while preserving safety.
ATC runs by safety and efficiency - because there was no playbook, efficiency got dropped while a/c and engine manufacturers knocked some heads.
Sorry Tchocky, you're right. It just all seemed so sudden, one minute there was no flights, then some airlines were putting up planes to test and then the floodgates opened.
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