Das Boot and Silent Hunter 3

[Bothersome]

Well, After 3 days of searching I finally got to see the movie "Das Boot". I'd have to say, it is the best submarine movie I have ever seen. Very suspenseful.

And on that note, I'd like to say to all the SH3 & SH4 fans out there, that you really need to see that movie. I think SH3 was created to to simulate that movie. In GWX3, you will see things in the game that look straight out of the movie. I'm very impressed.

The only thing I noticed, that I must have watched the Americanized version because the hand-written notes that were shown, were in English and so were the credits at the end of the movie. Does anyone know if these were originally in German?

[lafeeverted]

yes they were. Are you sure the written notes were in English?

[U-48Kriegsmarine]

Really, English? I have the directors cut, and all the notes are in German.

[Ducimus]

>>I think SH3 was created to to simulate that movie.

Personally i think SH5 more resembles the movie then SH3, or at least, was a more blatant effort at it.

[Bothersome]

Yes, my version has English notes in it. I was actually able to read it. :DL

I had seen a preview (30% or so) of the movie that didn't have an English text sub-channel across the bottom. If I remember correctly, they were in German. It must have been the original version. But still it was great movie even if they cut and spliced us some English notes. Still, it takes away from its authenticity and originality. Some things you just shouldn't improve upon.

Ducimus, I never got to play SH5 yet. My computer isn't strong enough for that one. It was JUST strong enough to have SH3 running at 16X TC while the movie was playing in Media Player Classic.

That's one of the good things about SH3. It only sips the processor time. Leaving plenty for other tasks like typing this in for this forum. :D

[pickinthebanjo]

when i saw it I watched it in german. My german isn't that great since iv'e been living in canada so I only caught bits and peices, I think i'm gonna dl it again since iv'e been re-learning the language

[Ducimus]

Well, lets put it this way. in SH5, your chiefs wife is sick, your XO is a hardliner with firm belief they'll win the war, and your engineer back with the engines is complete with black hat, and obession over the engines. If he cracks under a depth charge attack remains to be seen.

[KL-alfman]

Well, lets put it this way. in SH5, your chiefs wife is sick, your XO is a hardliner with firm belief they'll win the war, and your engineer back with the engines is complete with black hat, and obession over the engines. If he cracks under a depth charge attack remains to be seen.


[it's a bit off-topic]
do you think, that these RPG-elements could be stripped off? I really don't care about the "feelings" or political attitudes of the crew-members. to some it might add "immersion", to me it's boring and non-essential in a sim I'd like to play.
or is this whole crew-management and "morale"-thingy hard-coded and indespensable?
[/off-topic]

[Sailor Steve]

And on that note, I'd like to say to all the SH3 & SH4 fans out there, that you really need to see that movie.
Most of us have - at least the older ones. I saw it in the theater in 1982, and I own a copy of every version.

I think SH3 was created to to simulate that movie. In GWX3, you will see things in the game that look straight out of the movie. I'm very impressed.
Aces Of The Deep was created to simulate the movie. Their emergency dive order is as close as they could get in 1994, sound-wise. SH2 and SH3 certainly, and, as mentioned, SH5 even more so.

The only thing I noticed, that I must have watched the Americanized version because the hand-written notes that were shown, were in English and so were the credits at the end of the movie. Does anyone know if these were originally in German?
Were the voices in English as well? The original theatrical version here in the US was dubbed into English, and the notes were as well so they wouldn't need subtitles. I don't think that version was ever on DVD though.

The Director's Cut I would have to look at again, but the 5-hour 'Original, Uncut' version it is certainly in German (but I haven't watched it in the dubbed format - it may be different).

[frau kaleun]

The Director's Cut I would have to look at again, but the 5-hour 'Original, Uncut' version it is certainly in German (but I haven't watched it in the dubbed format - it may be different).

On the director's cut DVD I have, the scenes showing written info (der Alte's log entries, f'rinstance) show the original footage with the handwriting in German and subtitles to translate it. Same with the uncut mini-series version. That's a definite if you're watching with German language audio.

Given that the DVDs aren't that "high end" in terms of content I doubt there's any kind of alternate video with handwriting in English for those scenes.

[Bothersome]

Were the voices in English as well? The original theatrical version here in the US was dubbed into English, and the notes were as well so they wouldn't need subtitles. I don't think that version was ever on DVD though.

The Director's Cut I would have to look at again, but the 5-hour 'Original, Uncut' version it is certainly in German (but I haven't watched it in the dubbed format - it may be different).

Awww Man!! I didn't know there was a "5 Hour Version" out there. Now I got to see if I can find that one. Mine was like 2 hours and some minutes. I can see more money falling out of my wallet. Why can't the editors just leave a masterpiece alone???

Yes the voices were in German.

[frau kaleun]

When they filmed Das Boot, the intention was to make both a miniseries to be shown on television and a shorter film version for a theatrical release.

What you saw may have been the original theatrical release, which came out in 1981 (1982 in the US) and ran about 2 1/2 hours. IIRC it was shorter than director Wolfgang Petersen wanted, but was cut down to emphasize the "action" over other elements of the story.

The uncut miniseries version that was eventually shown on television runs about 5 hours.

Director Wolfgang Peterson also cut a second shorter version, the so-called Director's Cut, which was released theatrically in 1997 and runs about 3 1/2 hours.

Both the Director's Cut and the uncut 5 hour versions are now available on DVD - I don't think the original shorter film version has ever been released on DVD but some folks no doubt still have it on VHS.

If you have only seen the 2 1/2 hour version, you have only seen about half of the Das Boot available to be seen. The Director's Cut is readily available as a rental from Netflix and most decent brick & mortar places should have a copy. The uncut 5 hour version... well, if you're in the US you'll probably have to buy it or borrow it from someone who already has it. I got a copy from Amazon and it wasn't that bad, $35-40 IIRC.

[KL-alfman]

you indeed know a lot about that movie!
thx for sharing, it seems this film might be one of your favourites .... :D
danke schön!

[frau kaleun]

you indeed know a lot about that movie!
thx for sharing, it seems this film might be one of your favourites .... :D
danke schön!

I'm a movie geek. :D

But, yes, this is indeed one of my favorites, in fact I'd say it's currently in a tie for the #1 spot.

Officially I will tell you that my other #1 favorite movie is Seven Samurai.

(Unofficially, it's actually Kung Fu Panda. But we'll pretend I didn't admit that.)

:O:

[Sailor Steve]

I'm a movie geek. :D
I'm losing ground fast here. It used to me that everyone pointed at and said "He knows everything about Das Boot"! But you do too.

My all-time favorite movie is the 1974 and '75 Richard Lester version of The Three Musketeers and The Four Musketeers. They have a lot of slapstic, but stick closer to the book than any other version I've seen.

I only say that because I love the beginning, but every time I try to watch the beginning I get suckered into sitting still for the whole thing.

[frau kaleun]

If I tried to list my favorite movies, I would go on forever. And still forget some.

But something has to be #1, and right now Das Boot is it.

You sound like me trying not to watch Gone With The Wind. I would never think of it as one of my favorites, if only because I don't think it quite lives up to all the hype surrounding it (although I can understand why the hype exists). And I read the book several times before I ever saw the movie which might be part of it too.

But I still end up watching it just about every time it's on, because once it gets to the first shot of Rhett Butler leaning on that banister I simply cannot turn it off.

I used to wonder why my mother would gush so over Clark Gable. Then I hit puberty and suddenly it all made sense! :D

[KL-alfman]

But I still end up watching it just about every time it's on, because once it gets to the first shot of Rhett Butler leaning on that banister I simply cannot turn it off.

I used to wonder why my mother would gush so over Clark Gable. Then I hit puberty and suddenly it all made sense! :D


so we might guess what your pin-ups around your boat were ...... :D

@ Steve: ah yeah, Richard Lester!
great man, wasn't he director of most of the Beatles' movies??

[Sailor Steve]

But I still end up watching it just about every time it's on, because once it gets to the first shot of Rhett Butler leaning on that banister I simply cannot turn it off.
I always say I hate John Wayne movies (They Were Expendable and Big Jake being the main exceptions). But if I walk into a room and someone is watching one I think "I hate John Wayne movies". Then I sit and watch the whole thing.

ah yeah, Richard Lester!
great man, wasn't he director of most of the Beatles' movies??
All both of them.

Well, there was Yellow Submarine, but Lester wasn't involved and the Beatles weren't in it until the very end. And Let It Be was a documentary, so there were really only two.

[KL-alfman]

All both of them.

Well, there was Yellow Submarine, but Lester wasn't involved and the Beatles weren't in it until the very end. And Let It Be was a documentary, so there were really only two.


yep.
just two, couldn't remember but it's quite a while since I've watched "HELP" and "YEAH!"
thx for the quick reply.

[frau kaleun]

so we might guess what your pin-ups around your boat were ...... :D

Gable would certainly be a possibility. Ronald Colman too. :DL

[Elektranaut]

I caught 'The Enemy Below'on TV the other day.Intresting film....the story is a bit cheesy but Robert Mitchum is on good form and there's some impressive action,including a lot of location filming with a real destroyer instead of cheaper studio takes.I guess it's a good old fashioned yarn about 2 sworn enemies gradually developing respect for one another's skill and bravery.Not bad for 1957.

[gazpode_l]

I caught 'The Enemy Below'on TV the other day.Intresting film....the story is a bit cheesy but Robert Mitchum is on good form and there's some impressive action,including a lot of location filming with a real destroyer instead of cheaper studio takes.I guess it's a good old fashioned yarn about 2 sworn enemies gradually developing respect for one another's skill and bravery.Not bad for 1957.

THAT - m'dear, is a LEGENDARY film! :salute::yeah:

[frau kaleun]

It's next on my Netflix queue, can't wait to see it.

[Platapus]

I
(Unofficially, it's actually Kung Fu Panda. But we'll pretend I didn't admit that.)

:O:


you gots class. That's fer sure. :)

[Platapus]

I caught 'The Enemy Below'on TV the other day.Intresting film....the story is a bit cheesy but Robert Mitchum is on good form and there's some impressive action,including a lot of location filming with a real destroyer instead of cheaper studio takes.I guess it's a good old fashioned yarn about 2 sworn enemies gradually developing respect for one another's skill and bravery.Not bad for 1957.


If you read the book, be prepared. It is not like the movie. :nope:

Here is a trivia question about the movie: What did guy playing the Engineering Officer do for a living?

[KL-alfman]

yes, it's a great movie.
the USS "Haynes" was in reality the USS-Whitehurst, I read somewhere. and the crew of the Whitehurst were given a lot of acting in this movie too.

one thing is a wee-bit disturbing:
Curd Jürgens was already 42y, no commander of an U-Boot in combat was this age.
nevertheless he and Robert Mitchum as well were fine actors.

[frau kaleun]

If you read the book, be prepared. It is not like the movie. :nope:

Here is a trivia question about the movie: What did guy playing the Engineering Officer do for a living?

Was he actually the captain of the ship they used in the movie?

[Platapus]

one thing is a wee-bit disturbing:
Curd Jürgens was already 42y, no commander of an U-Boot in combat was this age.
nevertheless he and Robert Mitchum as well were fine actors.


While your point is well taken in that the vast majority of the Kaluens were younger, it is not correct to say that no commander of a U-boat in combat was this age.

Wilhelm Ambrosius (U-28, 21, 43) was 42 when the war ended

Helmut Brummer-Patzig (UD-4) was 55 when the war ended. He might not qualify for this list as he was a very successful WWI sub commander but in WWII while he commanded the UD-4, he did not make a war patrol. But he was old!

Walter Burghagen (U-219) was 54 years old and he did make war patrols :salute:

Kurt Dobratz (U-1232) was 41 when the war ended

Werner Hartmann (U-26, 37, 198) was 43 when the war ended

And that is just up to the "H" names. :)


There were some oldsters in command back then. :DL

[frau kaleun]

you gots class. That's fer sure. :)

Fortunately for you, there is no charge for class. I will also throw in awesomeness for an almond cookie or two.

[Platapus]

Was he actually the captain of the ship they used in the movie?

Correct!! :yeah::yeah::yeah:

Lt Cdr Walter R Smith was the commanding officer of USS Whitehurst (DE 634) used in the movie. He is also the officer filmed reading the Little Orphan Annie Comic Book.

Well done Maam!

[KL-alfman]

There were some oldsters in command back then. :DL




ok ok, I got it. :D

my statement was slightly too rigid.
(but Curd J with white hair was not the ideal actor, imho. but he did very good!!)

[frau kaleun]

Correct!! :yeah::yeah::yeah:

:D

To be fair I only know that because I read it on Wikipedia when I looked up the movie again before bumping it to the top of my Netflix queue.* I remembered he was some kind of navy dude who served on the ship, and was pretty sure he was the commander.





*This morning. :oops:

[Platapus]

yeah Wikipedia and Google took all the fun out of being a trivia-geek. :nope:

[Ducimus]

[it's a bit off-topic]
do you think, that these RPG-elements could be stripped off?
[/off-topic]

Probably. Im sure someone will at some point, and someone else will probably expand on it. The mod shop for SH5 doesn't seem to be lacking in variety.

[KL-alfman]

thx Ducimus for the reply.
I'm quite uncertain of some aspects of the new SH-sim, if I will like them or not.

thx again :salute:

[frau kaleun]

yeah Wikipedia and Google took all the fun out of being a trivia-geek. :nope:

Too true.

I lost lots of cred at work when my coworkers upstairs finally got internet access. My particular job has me in an office off to myself, completely removed from normal office traffic. For a good five years or so it also meant I was the only person there with a 'net connection.

I was always the go-to person for trivia in our office, but once I had the internet there was (apparently) NO question I couldn't answer. They'd buzz down on the intercom and before they'd even finish asking the question I'd have googled the subject and be ready with the answer.

Now everybody's got Google and they know all my secrets!

[Platapus]

ok ok, I got it. :D

my statement was slightly too rigid.
(but Curd J with white hair was not the ideal actor, imho. but he did very good!!)


Almost interesting trivia about Curd. During the filming of this movie, he stayed in his hotel room while not at the studio. He never went out until the movie was completed, although the rest of the crew went out partying.

The reason? In the movie Curd went unshaven, and he just could not bring him self to be seen in public looking like a zshlub. After the movie wrapped, he shaved and started going out.


I told you it was almost interesting.

[KL-alfman]

one more trivia:
the german title of the movie: "Duell im Atlantik"

(there's no need for translation, I guess) :03:

[frau kaleun]

one more trivia:
the german title of the movie: "Duell im Atlantik"

(there's no need for translation, I guess) :03:

Bad Translator (http://www.conveythis.com/translation.php) says that means Atorantikkudaro. :O:

[Ducimus]

thx Ducimus for the reply.
I'm quite uncertain of some aspects of the new SH-sim, if I will like them or not.

thx again :salute:

Give it time. It'll work itself out nicely i think. It just needs time. There are some aspects of SH5, that will eventually blow SH3 clean out of the water. Take the AI for instance. In SH3 and SH4 its relatively dumb, and works on simplistic terms.

From discussions ive seen on SH5, it looks like its entirely possible to get the AI to do real world strategems attacks like the Raspberry, pineapple, or a creeping attack. Johnny walker might end up being proud of those tin cans in SH5 if he were alive me thinks.

[Reinhard Dietz]

From discussions ive seen on SH5, it looks like its entirely possible to get the AI to do real world strategems attacks like the Raspberry, pineapple, or a creeping attack. Johnny walker might end up being proud of those tin cans in SH5 if he were alive me thinks.
You say that like it's a good thing. :stare:

I've been meaning to ask, Suppose you were to know the exact details of Artichoke, Raspberry, et cetera, and you were a U-boat commander. What, if anything, can be done to defeat those maneuvers? (Setting aside 'Kill the escorts' option, which is always a good one.)

[frau kaleun]

Well with Raspberries I like to make a nice vinaigrette...

[kylania]

Here's the 5 hour version on Amazon:

http://www.amazon.com/Das-Boot-Original-Uncut-Version/dp/B0001XAOLQ

[stoppro]

I have the 82 version on laser disc[remember those they didn't last too long] but anyway the reporters notes were in english. the disc had subtitles but you could set it for the dubbed version but the subtitles stayed.and they don't quite match the subtitles very interesting

[Elektranaut]

Here's some more Enemy Below Trivia which just occured to me....David Hedison who was Lt.Ware in the film went on to play Submarine captain Lee Crane in the 60's Sci-Fi series Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.I use to lwatch that series as a kid...I think it was set in the future sometime around 1981....I can still remember one episode where some of the crew were swallowed by a whale(no I'm not joking)...Haven't seen it was first aired.

[frau kaleun]

I have the 82 version on laser disc[remember those they didn't last too long] but anyway the reporters notes were in english. the disc had subtitles but you could set it for the dubbed version but the subtitles stayed.and they don't quite match the subtitles very interesting

On my DVDs I can select the dubbed English audio and the English subtitles at the same time as well. They don't always match either.

Clearly though there was a release of the original '81/'82 version that included spliced in footage of handwritten notes in English instead of German... that must've been the version the OP saw, then. Neither the DC or uncut releases have that alternate video.

[Bilge_Rat]

I have both the 97 director's cut and the 04 uncut edition DVD. I don't remember the notes being in english.

I usually only listen to the german version. Interestingly enough, the english subtitles differ from the 97 to the 04 version. The ones in 97 version are more accurate. The french subtitles are basically the same in both.

Another interesting bit of trivia is that most of the voices in the english version are those of the original actors, most of which spoke english.

Did you know that:

1. the U-Boats in the movie were built by one of the actual companies that built U-Boats in WW2. They still had the actual blueprint in their archives, which made it rather handy;

2. when the scenes were filmed in La Rochelle in the mid 70s, it was the first time since the war many of the local residents had seen german uniforms, many admitted to having mixed emotions to once again seeing U-Boats in the pens;

3. In the famous scene in the beginning, where the skipper walks through the pens on his way to U-96, you see many U-Boats. The filmmakers only had one on hand and it is only through the magic of editing that they created the illusion of many Boats;

4. The U-Boat in "Raiders of the Lost Ark" is the one from Das Boot. Spielberg rented it for a few days;

5. In 2-3 of the sub scenes, you will see a crewman in the background with red hair who does not quite belong (a bit too clean cut) and never seems to be around the rest of the time. He was not an actor, but part of the film crew. Its not clear if it was a cameo, an oversight or if Petersen used him to flesh out the background.

[frau kaleun]

5. In 2-3 of the sub scenes, you will see a crewman in the background with red hair who does not quite belong (a bit too clean cut) and never seems to be around the rest of the time. He was not an actor, but part of the film crew. Its not clear if it was a cameo, an oversight or if Petersen used him to flesh out the background.

I didn't know this one... cool, now I have another reason to watch it again (like I needed one). :rock:

[Sailor Steve]

David Hedison who was Lt.Ware in the film went on to play Submarine captain Lee Crane in the 60's Sci-Fi series Voyage to the Bottom of the Sea.

David Hedison (going by 'Al' at that time) was the main character in the original 1958 version of The Fly. It was part horror story but also part murder mystery, and very close to the orinal short story. Another interesting point was that the screenplay was written by James Clavell, later famous as the author of King Rat, Shogun, Tai-Pan and Noble House.

[Jimbuna]

Well I can remember the Land Rover up on the hillside when the Zulus made their first mass appearance and the charioteer in Ben Hur wearing a wristwatch :smug:

[frau kaleun]

and the charioteer in Ben Hur wearing a wristwatch


:o

OMG as many times as I've seen this movie I've never noticed that. Will be on the lookout for it next time.

Did it at least tell the time in Roman numerals?

[Jimbuna]

:o

OMG as many times as I've seen this movie I've never noticed that. Will be on the lookout for it next time.

Did it at least tell the time in Roman numerals?

LOL :DL