What do you think?

[TDK1044]

So, a little more than a month after the release of Silent Hunter 5, is the consensus opinion here that if Ubisoft issues the usual three or four patches for this game, and if the modders then decide to really get stuck into it, that the game will eventually be a very good one....better than SHIII or SHIV? Or is the feeling that whatever the modders try and do with it, there are just too many things wrong with it and it will never be the game that many here had hoped for?

Please...no DRM posts in this thread. I'm interested in an assesment of the potential of the game itself. :)

[Mick W]

In my opinion, bearing in mind that i am not a modder yet! Silent Hunter 5 has great potential and i beleive it will, in time, be the best Sub sim yet. :)

[mookiemookie]

I think gameplay-wise, it has the potential to be outstanding. From what I can see in the mods forum, it looks like people are just beginning to open up the secrets of scripting and how to use that. The campaign goals have already been adjusted. I am certain that someone will undertake a complete campaign re-write at some point. The coming patch is supposedly bringing the ability to add new ship types to the game. That's going to go a long way towards fixing my personal pet peeve of the game - lack of variety of merchants.

The crew management is a hole that I'm not sure can be fixed. After seeing some of the amazing things done to SH titles by people smarter than me, I've learned to never say never. But at this point, the ham handed attempt at an RPG system is a big flaw that doesn't have an easy solution that I personally can see.

But all in all, I think that yes, given the proper amount of attention by Ubi and the modders, we'll see SH5 take its place as a worthy successor to SH3/4

[robbo180265]

I agree with you guys - My only real gripe about SHV has been the awful AI and the lack of variety of targets. Both things should (hopefully) be taken care of in the upcoming patch.

My only worry is the bitch fights that keep breaking out on these forums might scare some of the potential modders away. Other than that I think SHV has the potential to be one of the best (if not the best) subsims out there.

[IanC]

Hopefully SH5 will one day have a supermod, if that's the case, then it can be a very serious subsim indeed. But that may take a while.

[Darkbluesky]

I think that at side of technical potential and will of modders to put time and effort on it, there is another very important factor, rarely mentioned. Is Ubi going to release a new uboat subsim in 1.5-2 years? If not, then SH5 has hope, if yes, then...well, probably it will remain half way or likely less than that, with some mods but using a very small fraction of its potential.

Although I like to see new subsim games released, if they release them too frequently it is a way of limiting mods. Look at GWX4, for example.

[TDK1044]

This is all good news. :)

[Zedi]

SH5 has huge potential and we all feel it. The game is just unfinished, but has the flavors already cooked in. I was very surprised to discover these days the Alberich camouflage implemented in the game. Is not really working, but at least is there. Moders are just beginning to learn how to mod this version, so we can expect a really great game in few months.

[Feuer Frei!]

I quote the great Napoleon:
"Let the path be open to talent".

[Wilcke]

Agreed, been playing it box stock since its release date. I really wanted to get a feel for it sans mods. It amazingly stands alone quite well after a while which just shows that for me I had become just a bit to comfortable with SH4.

I think its going to be a great sim!

[Faamecanic]

I think gameplay-wise, it has the potential to be outstanding. From what I can see in the mods forum, it looks like people are just beginning to open up the secrets of scripting and how to use that. The campaign goals have already been adjusted. I am certain that someone will undertake a complete campaign re-write at some point. The coming patch is supposedly bringing the ability to add new ship types to the game. That's going to go a long way towards fixing my personal pet peeve of the game - lack of variety of merchants.

The crew management is a hole that I'm not sure can be fixed. After seeing some of the amazing things done to SH titles by people smarter than me, I've learned to never say never. But at this point, the ham handed attempt at an RPG system is a big flaw that doesn't have an easy solution that I personally can see.

But all in all, I think that yes, given the proper amount of attention by Ubi and the modders, we'll see SH5 take its place as a worthy successor to SH3/4
:agree: with all the above.

Without me knowing how to mod I too cannot comment on what can be modded and what cant. All I know is our modding community has pulled off some miracles on things that were "hard coded" with SH3 and 4.

[Faamecanic]

I agree with you guys - My only real gripe about SHV has been the awful AI and the lack of variety of targets. Both things should (hopefully) be taken care of in the upcoming patch.

My only worry is the bitch fights that keep breaking out on these forums might scare some of the potential modders away. Other than that I think SHV has the potential to be one of the best (if not the best) subsims out there.

Dont worry the fights wont scare die hard modders away. The same fights broke out with SH3 and SH4.... SH5 is just especially "gifted" with fighting because of the dismal state it was released in. Those that feel very taken advantage of by Ubi have feelings that run very deep...just as those that like it for what it is.

One thing BOTH sides agree on is 1) Sh5 was released with LOTS of bugs 2) Our Modders kick a$$ :rock:

[Webster]

IMO its all about what can be "undone"

sh5 has great potential "IF" the missing sh3 content and campaign years can be seamlessly reintroduced, then "IF" it can be returned to the sh3 or sh4 UI and the AI can be corrected to work flawlessly. yes i know theres a mod for that but its not fully functional and may not totally get there without dev help

lots of IF's and MAYBE's in there but it looks promissing as long as UBI doesnt walk away from it and not finish "required" bug fixes

[TDK1044]

My timeline to purchase the game has always been Christmas of this year. I figure Ubisoft will have issued their final patch by then, and the modders will be able to get stuck into the game knowing that it's as finished as Ubisoft is going to make it.

I will watch developments with interest. :)

[Kptlt_Lynch]

I was on the fence about SH5, I dicided the potential was there so I picked it up.

Happy I did. It's buggy and busted, but enough has been modded so far that it is playable and enjoyable. :up:

[mcarlsonus]

I agree with another individual who posted on a similar thread that we should be grateful we're getting a patch at all and, hopefully, it'll be as good as advertised as it's the only one we're likely to see. In my heart, and after being active since SH3, the, "unfinished state" SH5 was released in serves as indication Ubi's decided there's no future here and, having promised 5 for quite some time, terminated development and threw it on the market (I have other, more controversial opinions regarding Ubi's possible, plausible expectation that unpaid, "developers" would pick up the slack, but won't bother voicing again!)

Us old sim guys currently exist in an environment where the, "target market" primarily consists of those afflicted by, "short attention span" who believe no more thought or effort should go into a, "simulate simulation" game than taking the occasional moment to reload prior to resuming mass carnage. These folks haven't the patience or desire to spend lengthy periods of time plotting attacks or transiting to areas where targets may or may not be readily available. Furthermore, I suspect state-of-the-art PC games are on their deathbed anyway. It's easier to maintain a profit margin on a console game, plus they're less prone to pirating. And, of course, there's a Used market for those titles as well.

my 0.02 cents/0.0146€ only. Be civil in your replies, for those of you prone to trolling...

[Sailor Steve]

SH3 still has certain problems that weren't fixed by the patches, and yet it is hailed as the best.

SH4 still has certain problems that weren't fixed by the patches, but it was better than SH3 in most categories and still is only second best, mainly because it wasn't modded as much.

SH5 is obviously gorgeous, even to those of who don't have it yet, and what's been done with modding so far is a great thing. With the same four patches and the same attention from modders it should be at least as good as SH3, and is looking to be much better in the long run.

I only hope they manage to patch all the problems this time. Then it will without doubt be the ultimate subsim. At least until we get brain implants.

[Jimbuna]

In my opinion, bearing in mind that i am not a modder yet! Silent Hunter 5 has great potential and i beleive it will, in time, be the best Sub sim yet. :)

I agree http://www.psionguild.org/forums/images/smilies/wolfsmilies/thumbsup.gif

[Iron Budokan]

I am totally against this game, but let's face facts. If Ubi supports it through patches and modders work on the game for a year or two, it will probably end up being pretty darn good.

[Bilge_Rat]

That sums it up pretty well, as some other posters have said SH5 is a diamond in the rough. It shows a lot of promise and interesting improvements in some areas, as well as some unfinished aspects and annoying bugs in others.

IF Ubisoft supports it through patches and an add-on and IF modders rally around it as they did SH3 and SH4, then it may become worthy to take its place in the Silent Hunter pantheon....






(...in the meantime, it is still kick ass fun.:yeah:...I presume we are still allowed to have fun?)


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[vois2]

This is a very encouraging thread. Especially to see old hands posting who I have trusted in these forums for more than 5 years. I haven't picked up the game yet but this thread helps to motivate me to do so before June which was my scheduled purchase date.

Tks!

[Uber Gruber]

It has a lot of potential and will surely end up being better than either Sh3 and Sh4....but only if people with modding skills are attracted to this game. Obviously releasing the game in such an unfinished state and the intrusive DRM (sorry, but there really is an elephant in the control room) certainly doesn't help attract new talent. Fortunately, subsim has a lot of home grown talent ready to deploy to help save the title.

But it's all academic to me personally, unless of course someone shoots that damn elephant! :damn:

Cheers, UG