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[rededge]

Ha! SH5....

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2926952/iPranged-a-submarine.html



:rotfl2:

Harbour collisions? And you thought it was a bug....

[Westbroek]

They ought to let subsim.com members handle those subs. They'd actually be treated with the respect they deserve.

[mcarlsonus]

To refer to the New Orleans as a, "transport ship" is an insult to the entire San Antonio class!

Otherwise - oops, BUT, no one was seriously injured or died and, secondly, a few new berths have opened up for promising sailors!

[Moeceefus]

Ha! SH5....

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2926952/iPranged-a-submarine.html



:rotfl2:

Harbour collisions? And you thought it was a bug....


scary. what a wake up call. even after the article explained what happened and disciplinary actions taken, some idiot had to post about how putting women on subs creates sex parties. :nope: what is wrong with people? thats like saying everyone in the navy is a fudge packer. someone also blamed our "no skills, brain dead" youth as if the young haven't always fought old mens wars. its like they didn't even read the article. the capt was discharged for his weak command and thank god. its scary to think there could even be so much goofing off in a nuclear submarine!

[mcarlsonus]

Ha! SH5....

http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2926952/iPranged-a-submarine.html



:rotfl2:

Harbour collisions? And you thought it was a bug....

Except in SH5, one would've expected the New Orleans to back up and take another run at the sub!

What the heck's going on? Recently we had that other case of that female captain of CG63 racing with another ship, nearly resulting in a major collision, thus ending HER career (well, that was ONE of the infractions! Calling ones crewmember subordinates, "lazy motherf*c*ers" is not looked upon kindly, for example...) She was TOO harsh!

[SteamWake]

To refer to the New Orleans as a, "transport ship" is an insult to the entire San Antonio class!

Otherwise - oops, BUT, no one was seriously injured or died and, secondly, a few new berths have opened up for promising sailors!

Well it is in the Sun factual reporting is not their strong point.

[TwistedFemur]

Well it is in the Sun factual reporting is not their strong point.


Yes, but the britons take what they say as fact. Sort of like todays youth getting thier news from "The Daily Show"



Jus sayin

[robbo180265]

Well it is in the Sun factual reporting is not their strong point.


Hehe you beat me to it.

The Sun never lets the truth get in the way of a good story.

[robbo180265]

Yes, but the britons take what they say as fact. Sort of like todays youth getting thier news from "The Daily Show"



Jus sayin

Alas it is a popular paper (God knows why) however I'm not sure that its stories are taken too seriously, indeed most of the stories in it are about footballers or which Z list celeb is seeing X.

The rest of us ( the ones who can read) read the other "good papers" :know:

[rededge]

http://i855.photobucket.com/albums/ab120/rededge/DamagedSub.jpg

Looking at the photo, it appears that the whole conning tower has been sheared away from the hull by the impact :doh:

Reported here too-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1264967/Sub-navigator-listening-iPod-60m-ship-crash.html

[mcarlsonus]

Looking at the photo, it appears that the whole conning tower has been sheared away from the hull by the impact :doh:

Reported here too-

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1264967/Sub-navigator-listening-iPod-60m-ship-crash.html

Judging from lack of sail displacement, I suspect the anechoic coatings split due to the impact. Anyway, would've been comical to put some luff into that blue and white tarpaulin!

[Philipp_Thomsen]

Obviously done or purpose.

Money, my friends.

Same reason WW2 made some people really millionaire.

[kylania]

Judging from lack of sail displacement, I suspect the anechoic coatings split due to the impact. Anyway, would've been comical to put some luff into that blue and white tarpaulin!

The side angle doesn't show just how bad it was:
(click to super enlarge)

http://ootp.files.wordpress.com/2009/03/uss-hartford-damage-assessment_090321.png?w=600&h=402 (http://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/photos/090321-N-9909C-993.jpg)

[LiveGoat]

So when is the Navy releasing an AI patch?

[mcarlsonus]

The side angle doesn't show just how bad it was:
(click to super enlarge)



By golly you're RIGHT! Judging from the damage shown in the first photo and the position of the tarpaulin, I was assuming the sail hit the New Orleans - HARD - at nearly a 90-degree angle and then slid off to starboard - which appears to be the case. However, my mistake was looking at the leading edge of the sail, which on an LA-class DOES have a bit of a pronounced, "rake." Considering the keel depth of the N.O., which I assume to be similar to other littoral combat vessels, or about 10ft/3.1m, it appears the sub was submerged, yet above periscope depth, thus rendering the claim of inattention due to loud music from, "external speakers" immaterial. Even so, after the sub/surface vessel disaster involving fatalities in February, 2001, followed by a similar, but non-fatal, collision in January, 2007, it appears the US Navy has, yet again, failed to convince Commanding Officers to follow SOP - specifically, unless it's an emergency, pop up to P-depth and have a 360-degree look-see out the window prior to executing the, "Surface" maneuver!

GOOD FIND, by the way! I, for one, appreciate it!

[mcarlsonus]

So when is the Navy releasing an AI patch?

Hallelujah, brother!! Gettin' there, ain't it?!!!

[Westbroek]

I was hoping this story was false. I really can't believe the details of the story...could those operating a nuclear submarine really be allowed to listen to ipods? That's so disturbing.

[SloppyMk27]

I know this is an obvious be I feel the need to vent. There is nothing funny about this at all. This is a embarrassment to the U.S. Navy. What happened to the chain of command? and proper order?? Things like this should never happen ever. I sure hope they clamp down on rules and regulations for operation. Things like this shake one's confidence in their military and we can't have that.

[mcarlsonus]

it's an embarrasment once, but when it happens multiple times (see my previous post) in this era of massively capable navigation and passive sonar aids, it's a FIASCO!

[kiwi_2005]

A US nuclear sub rammed another ship causing nearly £60MILLION damage - while its navigator was listening to his iPod. :har:



They allow Ipods on subs:hmmm: Crazy. What about txting suppose that's allowed...

[mcarlsonus]

If you're speaking of, "texting" via a wireless device, no there's none of that. A patrolling nuke has only limited contact with the outside world and that's in the form of one-way very low frequency short, SLOW messages that, "boom" through the earth to a submerged submarine. Other, "FamilyGrams." Again, short messages that are conveyed on a regular basis between crew and (obviously) family at home - not really two-way either. Sub comes to a certain depth, trails out a wire, and transmission begins and ends RAPIDLY! In short, without coming to the surface, there's no two-way communication. They did try something in 2008 that allowed duplex, but it had something to do with a floating transponder. I've no idea what happened to that, but, I keep thinking of one of the major reasons, "shnorkels" failed, then consider what modern tracking devices can do...and shudder.

Let's be fair here, folks! There's nothing inherently wrong with having an iPod on a sub - as long as one's not using it while on duty!

[Apache312]

What a commander. Pleasure cruising on a nuke. Where was the Chief of the Watch? Im not knowledgeable about SOP's of an underway boat, but isnt constant reporting from sonar a part of that? And is there only 1 sonarman on duty? For that matter, shouldnt a proximity alarm have sounded?

Any insight would be educational.

/S

Apache312

[msxyz]

To think I believed that "Operation Petticoat" was a work of pure fiction :D

[mcarlsonus]

What a commander. Pleasure cruising on a nuke. Where was the Chief of the Watch? Im not knowledgeable about SOP's of an underway boat, but isnt constant reporting from sonar a part of that? And is there only 1 sonarman on duty? For that matter, shouldnt a proximity alarm have sounded?

Any insight would be educational.

/S

Apache312

There's no proximity alarm. It's SOP to (a) listen real HARD and then (b) pop up an amount sufficient to get the 'scope up and have a good look-see all around before surfacing. I simply CAN'T believe a claim that ANY on-duty person of ANY stripe aboard a boomer or fast attack could be using an iPod while monitoring ANYTHING ! ESPECIALLY when emerging from the briny deep! Could ANYONE incompetent enough to have allowed, or ignored, behavior this egregious have reached Command Rank? Yeah - maybe in the Vietnam era when BAD help was hard to find, but NOW?

You know, recently the US Navy extinguished the smoking lamp permanently in the boats. EVERYBODY used to smoke - it was just something ELSE to do during one's 12 hours off every 18 hour day! Maybe the crew were going though nicotine withdrawal...

Let me just add that before Russia bought Toshiba-Kongsberg quiet prop technology in 1987, it was routine to track their fast Alfas from 150 miles out. Even back then, the "ears" were terrific! This tended to negate the Alfa's speed advantage. If they had the pedal to the metal, 41 kts., it was simply easier to hear them farther out.

Won't look OUT the window, but you can't HEAR anything? Unbelievable!

[McHub532]

:har:



They allow Ipods on subs:hmmm: Crazy. What about txting suppose that's allowed...

Depends on the State you are diving in. Some States don't allow texting while at the diving planes of a sub (snort/laugh).